What if Game of Thrones was 10 Seasons as Planned

The new book "Tinder Box" gives us a deeper look into the inner workings at HBO. A big topic
is the desire from author of A Song of Ice and Fire to have more than the concluded 8 seasons
of Game of Thrones.
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[@King_Steffon_II]

I hated how Cersei blew up a beloved queen and their entire faith and seized the throne after her son somehow conveniently died during this tragic day, and yet the people were like, "Margaery who?" And went on about their lives 🤣🤣

[@King_Steffon_II]

@Benjamin David Lurie Japanese, and WTF does that have to do with Cersei 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️ TF 🤣

[@thebystander1636]

@@King_Steffon_II lol.. people are weird

[@gfilmer7150]

In reality, this would’ve resulted in the GOT equivalent of The French Revolution.

[@nochillwill5903]

@@gfilmer7150 in the books, Aegon will most likely depose Cersei after the Great Sept explosion

[@gfilmer7150]

@@nochillwill5903 I know, and he's a great opposition to both Queens (Dany and Cersei) as a heroic young man who is prestigious enough to be back by Lords like Randyl Tarly but humble enough to win over the people of King's Landing. The show lost one of the most interesting conflicts by cutting his character.

[@jovjov223]

I think Aegon has to be in the story because he gives Varys a motivation other than just keeping the realm peaceful. Ilyrio should have been in the story as well.

[@hsgame4088]

Faegon is kind of a b plot though. Hes just there to be the mummers dragon. He will probably linger in the stormlands for a bit until danny arrives and have a battle where he is revealed as a blackfyre then killed.

[@jovjov223]

@@hsgame4088 Its a possibility, but kind of a waste. I would much rather have it if Jon and Aegon joined forces and met up with Danny on Dragonstone. Then they would all go north to stop the long night from occurring and Azor Ahai would be revealed. I personally think its Danny and I think she'll give up her life for Westeros. Then it would be kind of ironic at the end as Westeros would basically be run by mostly bastards, which could be a cool final message. But this is just my head cannon lol.

[@mschell8022]

Exactly, the writers really made a mistake by cutting out fAegon

[@siddharthchoudhary6333]

@@jovjov223 well he is not necessarily a Targareon. He may be a blackfire(acc to theories) and we could get a final battle between Targareons and Blackfires.

[@gfilmer7150]

@@hsgame4088 Linger in The Stormlands? He’s probably gonna take King’s Landing remove House Lannister from power. So when Daenerys arrives in Westeros, Aegon’s gonna be on The Iron Throne with Dorne and Randyl Tarly backing him, and loved by the people of King’s Landing as their savior. This would work for The Mad Queen arc instead of Cersei Lannister who committed a literal terrorist attack on the people of KL.

[@paulherrera8595]

I wanna live long enough for GOT reboot but done with justice

[@titosumi7829]

Hear ! Hear ! 👏👏

[@Golgari213]

It's likely going to come out before A Dream of Spring, and this is not a joke.

[@scottwells466]

They should just remake it as an animated show.

[@godusopp2752]

It has to be animated, The actors are too old and went on with their lives and people would never accept new actors

[@wolveman22]

Paul Herrera-Unpopular opinion, but I didn't hate the ending as much as everyone's supposed to. I was just happy Danaryes didn't get the iron throne. I would have hated that.

[@Aalpine001]

The funny thing is they rushed GOT ending to get a lead in new Star Wars movies, but Disney have seen this madness and put those 2 bolocks aside :D What a bitter-sweet ending for them.

[@BossRedRanger]

Everyone keeps forgetting the racist, slavery show they pitched before Star Wars.

[@Aalpine001]

@@BossRedRanger what do you mean by that?

[@Edmures_rampant_manhood]

@@Aalpine001 They pitched an alternate history series where the south win the american civil war.

[@Aalpine001]

I hope they finish this alternate story about the civil war.

[@Edmures_rampant_manhood]

@@Aalpine001 they scraped it.

[@antoinerigaud_]

The absence of the Tysha’s confession and the absence of the revelation of Lady Stoneheart started the slow downfall of the show

[@alexanderdale5550]

I believe not adding lady stone is a good thing. Makes catlyns death more meaningful

[@antoinerigaud_]

@@alexanderdale5550 but she is not Catelyn anymore and without her character like Jaime and Brienne don’t have a good arc

[@factoryofdivisiveopinions]

Tysha's confession would've made Tywin's death 10x more satisfying.

[@Medina5Arts]

@@antoinerigaud_ Lady Stoneheart only shows up twice in ASOIAF after being resurrected. It probably would have been better if GRRM wrote Lady Stoneheart chapters from the POV of Thoros of Myr.

[@SENazo-co9pz]

​@@factoryofdivisiveopinions it's sad knowing that there was one person who actually loved Tyrion but he thought she was a whore. He knew Shae didn't truly love him in the books. But he didn't know that Tysha loved him.

[@connormohun1373]

I’d love HBO to rewind back to the end of season 4 and re-do seasons 5 - how many George R Martin wanted. Would fit so much more in, more characters and plot lines etc…

[@dankert13]

Only if the actors can rewind too.

[@bobbob-cd9yl]

I'd like them to keep Season 6 tho it had some of the best moments in the show

[@connormohun1373]

@@bobbob-cd9yl had some quality moments like the BOTB, however, ruined the Dorn plot, killed Rickon unnecessarily and could have easily added Aegon from the books in but didn’t. I’d add the good bits it and re-hash some bits

[@bobbob-cd9yl]

@@connormohun1373 the dorne plot was never gonna go anywhere. RIckon was whatever to me but adding Aegon would have been so good but D and D probs did not wanna write him

[@connormohun1373]

@@bobbob-cd9yl see I think Dorne has real legs and they’ll eventually join Aegon. And I think Rickon would have been cool as the heir to winterfell and maybe if we got to see him a few years on he would have made a cool character. Plus he’s a super powerful warge in the books

[@OneOnOne1162]

I really think you needed Aegon and Lady Stoneheart, tbh. Some people complain about them, especially Aegon, coming out of nowhere but I'm reasonably certain that this isn't actually the case and George probably introduced them to solve some problem he was having. And I think a lot of the bad writing of later seasons can at least in part be traced back to removing them. For example, I suspect that Daenerys burning King's Landing will be in response to Aegon claiming it and being cheered on as the true Targaryen heir while in reality being a Blackfyre. I think that will make Dany snap and that without Aegon you cannot actually have this important point in Daenerys' character arc happen. And it seems that Brienne becoming a mostly useless character after season 4 and Jaime not progressing was at least in part because Stoneheart was gotten rid of. I don't think any of these major elements could've been removed without doing irrepairably damage to the story and as such I think in a 10 season version of Game of Thrones they should have been included.

[@Zando91]

I agree with you about fAegon. His role in the story I am sure is going to push Dany over the edge when she is in Westeros. After Cersei blows up the sept in the show, you would think that Kings Landing would revolt against her since she blew up the equivalent of the Vatican. The circumstances at Daenerys arrival to Westeros should have worked better in her favor but they didn’t. It makes more sense for the people of Kings Landing and Westeros to be happy with fAegon and not want Daenerys. With the mummers dragon vision she has in the book, Daenerys will know that fAegon isn’t real but she will come off paranoid and like a usurper when she tried to tell people he is fake. I’m sure in the books this is what is going to drive her to extreme measures that will lead to her downfall. She will get rid of the threat but at a terrible price. That could also be how she loses a dragon- in an attempt to show how he isn’t a real Targaryen, she may tell him to ride a dragon and he’s able to and they fight and she ends up killing him and a dragon.

[@soakedlemons9990]

I had this question actually. Game of Thrones: good ending. The show had 10 seasons and would've completed last year or this year being the greatest tv series in history. also breaking and setting a lots of records. S5 would've been the least favourite season. A great decade of tv thus being over.

[@ultrabigfella]

What type of records? Some shows have gone on for like 20-30 seasons, lol.

[@mackherren1373]

@@ultrabigfella I assume they meant more awards/ratings records

[@soakedlemons9990]

@@ultrabigfella I'm talking about viewership and Emmy records

[@guitarherops31]

@@ultrabigfella Not all shows that run for 20+ seasons had the same quality that Game of Thrones once had.

[@memehotep2059]

Breaking bad just 5s still tops got lol d&d suck

[@justinpachi3707]

One thing that needs to be fixed for sure is the complete assassination of Stannis' character in Season 5. My man in the books is about to attain victory over the Boltons and take over the North as King with Rikon potentially installed as his puppet in Winterfell. Then there's of course Littlefinger and his whole struggle for power in the vale with Sansa under his care.

[@bobbob-cd9yl]

I kinda did not like that Stannis' character died I got that it was a tragic ending but when I saw his army gone and him the last man standing I was hoping he'd live a low life and slowly rise back into power

[@nikkirobson5800]

This issue isn’t just D&D wanting a life. Some of the actors wanted out too. They didn’t want to put 15 years of their life into it. It happens with most shows. I really hope in 20 years we get a reboot and have them do en epic job. Perhaps by then there will be virtual reality TV and we can watch it as if we are there. We can dream. Imagine how good the cgi will be then too.

[@cooki3th1ef]

yeah, you can tell that some of the actors were pretty done with their characters and only being known for that one role. honestly i would've been down for like a year hiatus where no filming is done just so the actors can have a chance to take a breather, also gives more time for pre-production in the background

[@bobbob-cd9yl]

@@cooki3th1ef I do know some of them who wanted to leave them behind say Arya (maisie williams) now dont mind returning back. Honestly no show has had as PERFECT casting imo

[@guitarherops31]

@@cooki3th1ef They should’ve done that and created a prepared plot line with the ending so they could be sure how many seasons the show would have. After that, the show-runners tell the actors that for sure the 10th season of the show would be its last and if they could stay until then. It’s prepared. Everyone’s on board. Then they just focus on the rest. But to do that it requires taking one of the most successful TV show of all time more seriously.

[@onthelam6316]

They didn't have to take all the responsibility for themselves. They could have easily switched showrunners, as is the case for a lot of shows. Instead, they're selfish jerk-offs who didn't care about the show past the 4th season, only to keep all the credit and praise to themselves.

[@captainiceberg8637]

And now look where some of these actors are....they've taken a few crappy movie roles and now their careers will die. Should have stayed.

[@G_Kchrst]

The truth is that eventhough as a standalone cinema piece Season 4 is one of the best if not the best season of GoT it's the season that doomed the next seasons of the show because D&D cared only about the story till the death of Tywin so they never cared to introduce the pieces that go the story further. Thats why they decided to name the series Game of Thrones after all. There is no Tysha scene, no Asha Greyjoy storyline, no Tyrell brothers, no Lady Stoneheart, na Daenerys visions, no proper Northen and The Reach house introductions, no proper Euron Greyjoy and Martel introductions etc. Even Bran was whitewashed. Bran in the books is evolving into a far darker character with different motives.

[@delighted2849]

Catelyn Stark's actor was so good it's a straight up crime that we didn't get zombie catelyn, she was one of those characters who's flaws were translated so well into the story and still made me enjoy the scenes with her.

[@Kai-ow9gi]

We would see a lot more characters and a much more in depth plot. Stannis might have even come out on top

[@billychops1280]

Battle of ice you know what I’m sayin..

[@Kai-ow9gi]

@Benjamin David Lurie Hamster with a scouter yes

[@HamanKarn567]

I'm still rooting for him lol

[@made-line7627]

He wouldn't, though it would definitely have a deeper plot

[@thebystander1636]

@Benjamin David Lurie you have a picture of a moron for yours.

[@JonathanVegaa]

Still probably would’ve been bad if D&D were at the helm once they actually had to write the show flopped on it’s head maybe if they had someone else take over for them it could’ve not been the train wreck it was

[@ThaRedPitbull]

Nice video. The 2 seasons of fighting and surviving white walkers sounds fantastic. I would've loved to see that. If I had known this show would end as it did I would've never bought the Blu-ray set.

[@JIVETURKEY600]

But when Jon Snow cameback he wasnt himself... Did you see Season 7 and 8? He only said about 17 words...smh

[@arturoquintero6373]

Thinking about a jon who comes back from the dead but is like bully migure is so funny 😂😂😂 Jon looking at rami: I'm gonna put some dirt your eye

[@Divine_Chareka]

I hope House of the Dragon doesn't cut plots from Fire & Blood, it's the only way to get it right & to have more decent seasons.

[@nightraven2975]

They're aiming for about 3 to 4 seasons. Plus the writers seem to know what they're doing. I think they'll pull this show off properly.

[@whycreate]

Marwyn?

[@ClydeC]

David and Dan rushed the series so that they can move on other projects (Star Wars and Confederate Tv series), and it all blew up in their faces

[@Astartes-6969]

It woulda been better if HE FUCKIN FINISHED THE BOOKS.

[@21_salvage51]

I’d love to see an anime adaptation. Budget and duration would be much less of a compromising factor.

[@TheSnakeh]

Exactly! And they could take their time with the story while Martin finishes the books. There's so much material to cover for it to go on for a while.

[@punkavaug]

That might be the one anime Id actually watch. Or just make it a cartoon

[@nightraven2975]

Netflix Castlevania style anime would be awesome for Game of Thrones.

[@grigoregruesome3606]

Ewe. I feel like I’m the only person that hates all these cheap Netflix anime adaptations.

[@JanXDio]

What if George actually finished the GODDAMNED BOOKS before they ran out of content to adapt? Why blame Dumb and Dumber if we all know they can't write for shit? Blame ole procrastinating George for not finishing his decades long story in time.

[@nikdik154]

They abandoned the plotlines that were there in the books too. So don't be so stupid to blame GRRM whose established context was abandoned.

[@smokysnow5794]

You try and write a book with a super complicated plotline that has to appease millions of readers with a thousand pages. At 73 years old with a million other projects you are working on at the same time. It was not his fault that HBO couldn't just hire some competent producers when they ran out of material from ASOIAF to work with.

[@smokysnow5794]

he is working on it the best he can let him finish to what he thinks is a satisfying ending

[@jarkody]

They had plenty enough material to use without having to rush to the end. Hollywood kept him from finishing by making deals for more shows, having him write an episode per season and constantly interviewing him. He became a celebrity after this show. I blame Hollywood. I would gladly give up this show's existence if we could get books 6 and 7 instead.

[@thebystander1636]

@@smokysnow5794 No. He isn't working on it the best he can. He could have written a page a day and been done with it 5 times by now. It's his fault that all his fans are upset and waiting for the 2 decade long project to be finished. He set the bar, he told us multiple times it would likely be done by X date or Y date only to still be in the same status 5 years later! It's his fault he takes on 5 million projects at once that eat up his time. He DOES owe it to us at this point, because he has PROMISED IT so many times over the years. We have patiently waited WAYYYY beyond expectations, and he still just treats us like crap by not finishing what he promised us. We have spent money and invested our time and love into this project he promised us, just to be let down. Stop licking his boots, he needs to finish WoW and pass DoS on to those who have helped him over the last 20 years. Period

[@smokysnow5794]

honestly, they could have done like 15 seasons there was MORE than enough content, they skipped a bunch of major plotlines but D&D were not competent producers and honestly just lazy

[@blakejones409]

So the freefolk are dead now. There is nothing left alive beyond the wall and the ground is too frozen to grow any crops so their ending follows the same theme as that of Gray Worm and the Unsullied.

[@billychops1280]

Hey Whycreate, since GOT ended in a bad way and the books are still in progress, as a video idea why don’t you focus on characters in the books and give us your opinion about how their story will end or progress like Stannis and his ice battle. Just thought it might be a good idea, as always great video and it’s sad that it didn’t go to 10 seasons

[@thebystander1636]

If you go through his videos, you will find most of what you're asking for already.

[@billychops1280]

@@thebystander1636 yes but these are just the main players in the war of ice and golden company there are still many other characters

[@thebystander1636]

@@billychops1280 he has many many videos covering non main characters. Dig through his videos, they may not be the whole video about one character, but he has covered MANY characters I didn't even know much about.

[@billychops1280]

@@thebystander1636 I have seen like all of his videos lol I’ve been following him since 2018 and even looked at the vids before that but these books have so many characters that still haven’t been reviewed much by people like the secondary characters in Danny’s Mereen plot or what will happen with Theon if Stannis loses his battle or wins it

[@thebystander1636]

@@billychops1280 I hear ya. There is a video of the Brazen Beasts and another of square head dragon food.. but yeah, I guess since there is so much content it's hard to cover them all

[@goose33]

All that build up for the night king and they did him dirty

[@gmallory]

ok we can do two things, reboot season 7 & 8 with the same cast and act like those two seasons didn't happen OR make an animated series

[@arthurlamora8520]

They needed atleast 10 seasons with 10 episodes per season it was so obvious that it´ll be trash once they said its 7 and 6 episodes for the last 2 seasons also they needed to work way closer with Georger towards the end cuz they proved that have no clue what they´re doing without any source material or let others finish it properly since they wanted out but i cant believe thats the legacy they leave behind one of the best shows to start and they fully fuck it up so badly that those 2 shouldnt be allowed to produce a fucking bratwurst commercial disgrace towards all the people that worked on it for years and the fans all i can say about the final season was thank god jon killed dany but they build up needed more work but it was something i wanted since i read book 2 bran becoming king was absoluetly horrible

[@gfilmer7150]

Aegon's story is gonna be the very thing that drives Dany to burn King's Landing. You can't have that with Cersei in Aegon's place. So he's kind of important to Dany's endgame.

[@maestercraig3990]

The better question to be asking - "What if George had finished those damned books as planned!!!" Cant make ten seasons if the author refuses to finish the source material. 🤣🤣🤣

[@Buford_T_Justice1]

I would have loved seeing Jon Snow actually battle and defeat zombie Viseryon during the Long Night. Why didn’t they do that? OH right because D and D are stupid.

[@almsahrah]

Dumber and Dumbest?

[@Divine_Chareka]

You didn't talk about Jaqen Hagar, Daario Naharis, & this strange masked lady in Qarth

[@gamerecapped2105]

I see why create and i click

[@elphiegleason3899]

He does really brilliant videos

[@hobbitassassin1]

What if GOT was 10 seasons as planned. Well we wouldn't get that rushed bullshite ending for starters. For me I've written off the last season and waiting till the book FINALLY😪 drops.

[@abirdsmw]

Top 5 slowest creatures alive: 5. George R. R. Martin 4. George R. R. Martin 3. George R. R. Martin 2. George R. R. Martin 1. George R. R. Martin Honorable mention: George R. R. Martin

[@mjisurdad]

Doesn’t matter how many seasons the show ran for. D&D would have trashed it. They should of handed the show over once season 4 ended. Great video as always.

[@ThePremierAlan]

Nah. They are amazing at adapting existing source material. Which is why we got rhe masterpiece which is season 1-4. Incidentally, that is where the source material ends.

[@macbuc5697]

@@ThePremierAlan so basically the same thing the guy said?

[@mackherren1373]

​@@ThePremierAlan Honestly, they were always pretty terrible at adapting the source material. They fucked up a lot early on... ex: Dany crying while being raped in the first episode, taking away all the Stark children's warg abilities (except Bran of course), adding so many extra scenes at the brothels, making Robert's death seem like a big coincidental accident instead of a conspiracy, etc... And as the show went on, it got worse: having Jaime rape Cersei, removing the Tysha reveal, the Craster's Keep storyline in season 4, the Theon torture porn, removing LADY STONEHEART (which I've heard is the real reason GRRM stopped writing episodes every season)... And that was all before Season 5's butchery of Littlefinger/Sansa, Jon, Dany, and DORNE or Season 6's butchery of the Greyjoys. They did a great job with some of it. The cast and the music are impeccable. Catelyn seizing Tyrion in Season 1 will always give me chills and Ned's execution scene is really great, as is the Battle of Blackwater, but the show overall really is worse than people remember, even the first few seasons.

[@ThePremierAlan]

@@mackherren1373 You literally cant fit every single story line in the books into the show. Its just impossible. One thing i so agree with is the Tysha confession. That was way too big to be omitted from the story. And Daenerys cried in the books (AGOT Daenerys “…and when he turned to look at her, she began to cry.” But she then accepted her situation. Its a subtle change, but not too big imo Tommens death and Jamie raping Cersei was s6. And im saying s1-4 was brilliant, not the latter seasons.

[@ThePremierAlan]

@@macbuc5697 No. He said no matter how many seasons. If the show had ran for 20 seasons, they would have had more time to adapt the books, and GRRM would release newer books to adapt… so no, not the same. However that all depends on D&D deciding to do 20seasons lol

[@jonathanweir7672]

See I do love when George RR says there could have been like 13 seasons and that there was plenty of plots lines... I kinda disagree, unless a season or two just left certain characters behind - like season 5, if they included Dorne more book accurate, there would be tones more new characters to follow, which isn’t a bad thing - but then once say the plots like Cersei’s and Jon’s catch up with the book, what happens then as he still hasn’t finished them. I defo think they should have been more book accurate - but I also don’t fully know how they’d keep us with certain other plots and characters we’ve grown to love.

[@livallgier3119]

i love your commentary on the novels/series, i can tell you put a lot of time into these videos and i appreciate it! i’ve started reading the books since watching your channel and it’s always great to come here for an even more in-depth explanation :) thanks again!

[@TC_Stark]

didn't they rush because they were getting a star wars trilogy but Disney backed out after the got backlash

[@darby.lestrange]

I love this story a hell of a lot better 💗

[@jarkody]

These adaptations suffer from the same problems time and time again. The showrunners and writers try to create a whole new story without any of the talent or creativity to do so. It was so lazy of them to kill so many characters who are still living in the books but that's the easiest thing for writers to do when they have no creativity lol. This is off topic but I watched the Witcher, never read the books and I could tell that they were doing a bad job adapting the source material lol.

[@apap7345]

Jamie has to kill Cersei. Him hearing about her doing the very thing that he stopped the mad king from doing would be the catalyst for him seeing she was too far gone. Or even another scene where Cersei is going to use wildfire when Dany comes is what drives Jamie to kill the mad queen just like he did with the mad king. To save the city. Him being mortally injured when he does it is okay, but he needs to be the one to off Cersei. Him going to kill Cersei should be the only reason he leaves Brienne. Not wiping away all of his development thru out the series. I understand him not wanting Cersei to die alone so he could stay with her even if it causes his own death from her queen’s guard, but he should have put the knife in her. Which I think they didn’t do because they had Jon and Dany go that route, but I think a dragon battle or something else would work for them or maybe not kill Dany have her showing signs of madness but still left to rule…

[@themixican4364]

What if when the long night came everyone died, except Jon, who created Lightbringer, and escaped on Drogo. Then the Knight King walks into the gods wood, stands before Bran, and bows! Bran smiles, his eyes turn icy blue. Credits

[@thebystander1636]

Bran is basically a villain. He saw how everything was going to go down, and did nothing to change it. he wanted to become king, so he let millions die for the wheelchair throne.

[@vonnaabate]

BOOM better ending in just a few sentences. This would be been more on brand for a GOT ending. I'm just going to pretend that this is what happens and stop my rebinges on The Long Night episode.

[@themixican4364]

@@vonnaabate thank you

[@elimarshall680]

I mean maybe they couldve fully see through martins vision if he had finished the books lmao

[@stormerjc9493]

I hated how the cramed 4 full seasons worth of content into 2 shorter rushed seasons that was ridiculous, I will say the one big highlight of season 7 for me was the feild of fire 2.0 if there's a way to keep that in that would be great

[@gavomorg762]

Personally I think if they had lost interest or just didbt know what to do after running out of source Material they should of asked for help or passed it on .But NO they thought of themselves 1st!!! s)So they cut it short in regards to SEASONS & Episodes and jsut to get in with their new project's. Which is fine ,,best of luck to them I thought at the time .But still as I said if that was the case get others involved No rush it and kill it and take what was an INCREDIBLE TV show and take it to the depths of Horseshit.Poor GrrM ..His loves worked murdered..literally. I mo they deserve the shit they get!!!

[@plisskenetic]

It was NEVER planned as 10+ seasons because GRRM could never finish the books - plain simple - he was given 5 years to finish Winds of Winter and 12 years later (& STILL counting!) he still hasn't! It was his fault. But for some STUPID reason all the dumb haters wanted to twist the story to make it sound like it was all D&D, while GRRM is soooooo perfect. Sheer stupidity from pure toxic fandom, to put it VERY POLITELY! Also the show runners ALREADY planned to end it at season 8 with exactly 6 episodes - they announced this in 2016, WAY b4 StarWars was even announced. That crap about them shortchanging bcoz of StarWars is complete utter BS garbage!

[@Stax2High]

The thing about Rickon is, he's probably not very important in the long run. Shaggy dogs name is likely a reference to a term in English literature referring to an unimportant character with no meaningful arc. That's the best I can articulate it it off the top of my head. But u get the basic point. If u pick any 6 siblings in any universe it's highly unlikely all of them have independent arcs. Is it that unbelievable that only 5 of 6 siblings have unbelievable adventures & that the youngest little child was the least interesting?

[@Nadia-rh4kq]

i think there is a difference between characterization and a proper character arc. rickon could've atleast been set up as SOMEONE, instead of popping up out of nowhere and dying. we couldn't even sympathize with jon's charge, because we really didnt care about rickon.

[@Stax2High]

@@Nadia-rh4kq u needed to even know reckons name to sympathize with our main characters child sibling dying in front of him? We didn't need more for that moment than " u guys love Jon right? U know what siblings are? Will that kid right there is a siblings of Jon." Not sure how u should feel when a person u like has someone they love die in front of him. Sorry thats crazy it's like turning on the news & watching someone's family dead next to him & say... "I didn't know the victim. Not really sad to me."

[@ultrabigfella]

@@Stax2High you can't just say that the audience should be sad and expect them to be. You have to put in the effort. Imagine if Ned died like Will had in the first episode. We wouldn't care.

[@Stax2High]

@@ultrabigfella uh.... no we wouldnt...... no clue what your point is. Imagine if rickon had died in front of ned in episode 9. I guess we wouldn't really be able to feel bad for ned or sympathize with him charging the killer.....

[@ultrabigfella]

@@Stax2High not as much as if we knew more about Rickon. Plus, that's super different because Rickon was 3 in Season 1 and played by a 4-6 year old, and despite being 11 in Season 6 his actor was 14. I'm gonna feel more sad seeing a 4 year old die than a 14 year old.

[@smithyMcjoe]

Has Chunky McFunkerson finished the winds of winter yet? He said we could lock him up if he hadn't.

[@politicsonsight6045]

Night kings' death was by far the worse. He should've never been killed owning that much power.

[@theweaselplays]

I hate that D&D were too self-important to hand the show off to someone else. It's terrible that someones personal whims can completely destroy a show and change the course of entertainment history.

[@nightking2182]

I want to meet euron my man!

[@arthurlamora8520]

Even the actors that openly spoke up about their shitty writing towards the end got killed off like ser barristan

[@raaaaaaaaaam496]

Alternative title: What if GOT was good

[@MrTotalAhole]

So did you hate it seasons 1-6? Or did seasons 7-8 hurt you so bad youve now decided you have to hate it all?

[@raaaaaaaaaam496]

@@MrTotalAhole I mean yeah. All that setup and no payoff

[@MrTotalAhole]

@@raaaaaaaaaam496 I get it, when I rewatched recently I was a little depressed because...well you know. But seasons 1-5 is still some of the best TV out there.

[@gfilmer7150]

@@MrTotalAhole Seasons 1-4: yes. Season 5: Definitely not. It's Season 8 level bad.

[@lancemaltby895]

Maybe it's just my mind conflating the two, but I remember feeling like the decline of quality in AMC's The Walking Dead might have been a ready excuse for D&D to get out of ending GOT properly. "Let's end it before we jump the shark"

[@reignorshine.]

My head canon is Arya and the Hound surrounded by white walkers as they kill Frey's in the river lands. Maybe Arya having to mercy kill Lady Stoneheart and then she rides off on Nymeria to join Jon ,Bran and Sansa holed up in the vale with Littlefinger. Dany on Drogon circle overhead .Dragon stone under siege by Euron who also captures Tyrion and chops off his tongue . Jaime and Bron as long as they're dead by the end i don't care how

[@thebystander1636]

Your head canon is a cartoon mess that would be on robot chicken..

[@reignorshine.]

@@thebystander1636 ha ha, that'd be awesome

[@deduare]

They needed the real Stannis and his storyline.

[@gfilmer7150]

Battles of Deepwood Motte and The Ice in full.

[@PhenomResurrections08]

This is what happens because GRRM don't wanna write the damn books.

[@holydoggo4822]

"...to focus on completing the book series" ah the ever-present joke of him somehow finishing the book

[@rohaankhan7523]

I think it would be better if the white walkers would get further south w By breaking the wall with magic and we can have viserion to die in the battle of winterfell that could make evey fighter loose hope and flee amd then the night king can have a dragon and the long night could grow longer

[@chrismartin3197]

My head cannon? Season 8 is completely different. The Night King can’t knock down the wall (due to the spells cast in it), but Euron ferries the white walkers around the wall to Kings Landing to fight Jon/Dany. Euron uses the Dragonbinder to get a dragon, and Bran wargs into the other. The Night King takes Cersei’s baby as a Craster-like offering for the Children of the Forest…

[@manzilla48]

Hmmm not a great idea

[@thebystander1636]

@@manzilla48 I love how people post their "head canon", but it's always just a sliver of the story that makes no sense whatsoever.

[@manzilla48]

@@thebystander1636 there’s a reason these people aren’t writers

[@chrismartin3197]

@@manzilla48 why not?

[@chrismartin3197]

@@thebystander1636 how does it not make any sense? It makes more sense than the season 8 we actually got

[@_MC529]

YES LITTLEFINGER ON THE THRONE FUCK YEAH!!!

[@shantealm1565]

If only :(

[@devyn1772]

I agree with some of what you said. However, if you didn’t see Dany doing this from the beginning, you’re blind.

[@senjuguy]

Doing what? Ignoring Cersei and killing literally everyone else besides her for literally no reason?

[@moongem4489]

I can see her doing terrible thnings with justification. Ex: killing tons of people if it actually gives her an upper hand and brings her closer to a goal or helps her achieve what she believes to be the greater good. Killing thousands of innocent and helpless people who already surrendered to her makes no sense based on her characterization. It's something (book) Euron would do. What would make more sense is her killing tons of people who actively defied her (especially nobles! not peasants!!). It would still be cruel and show how power has changed her over time, especially if she has to kill people who are essentially good but just on the opposing side, but it wouldn't destroy her character arc just for the sake of being shocking. If Dany is going to be a genocidal maniac, I need a lot more character development first - more than the death of Missandei, who they didn't even show bonding with Dany or being a significant part of her life in the episodes leading up her death. If Missandei's death is enough reason for Dany (who constantly fights other nobles for the sake of commoners) to torch a city, you think she'd go for the one who actually killed her and not the poor people who just happened to live there....

[@RoronoaDZoro-jt2rq]

Funny how he left the show to finish the books and we still don't have em🤣

[@Hatypus]

7:00 the actual battle of the bastards was so bad

[@hawkthehunter]

SPOILERS FOR TWOW:: Love the video but I disagree with you. The Dornish plot is going to intertwine heavily with fAegon. I think Season 5 would have been great to introduce Dorne and play out Arianne's plan as well as having Tyrion run into JonCon and fAegon. Season 6 could have Doran sending Arianne to Meet with fAegon and have them seazing the throne from Cersei/High Sparrow with Nymera's help. I could see fAegon being a major plaer for when Dany comes for the throne.

[@Hochspitz]

S5 and 6 are basically the same. S7&8 well...

[@fullcomicalchemist2195]

I think Martin has at least half of the blame on hi shoulders if he'd been there he could've stopped some of the really bad shit from happening. Also I think it's safe to say his time away from the show hasn't done much the next book it's eleven years I think now since ADWD and there's still no sign of it. Ten seasons should've been the goal and there is so much they could've done with The Others, it's just sad they completely gave up on it they wanted out because they were bored when they could've found someone who was really enthusiastic to take over.

[@alexcoffey8804]

He left the show because he didn't want it to finish before his books did. He then didn't even finish the books. He then wrote in his will that if he dies, his books must remain unfinished. I love his books but kind of hate him.

[@lughildana]

@@alexcoffey8804 he doesn't get to determine that afaik. Once he's dead whoever he vests the rights in can kind of do what they want

[@rohaankhan7523]

D&D got rid of many stories and characters in s6 so even if we start from recreating s7 we will only be able to streach the story to s9

[@dekuuchiha9990]

Ceresi should have kept Missandei in the Red Keep as a hostage.

[@ViewTube_Emperor_of_Mankind]

Catlyn will resurrect Jon.. it would be her redemption arc.. giving life to the boy she ruined huge parts of his life.. and was always hateful towards him.. Youn Griff is a wild card. Probably finding out he is no Targaryen getting eaten by a dragon..

[@nunouno001]

If David and Dan were still in charge without George to keep them under control, it would have been a less disastrous train wreck.

[@made-line7627]

True

[@BossRedRanger]

They were the problems! What are on about?

[@radwansoueidan6390]

That doesn’t make any sense, the show fell apart exactly under that same reason. David and dan were in charge and they shit the bed, George had no say in the matter

[@nunouno001]

@@radwansoueidan6390 George was involved and even wrote for seasons 1-4. It was season 5 where he left and D&D got full creative control over the show and startled to run everything into the ground. Now we don’t know the actual reason why George left, maybe their working relationship fell apart, maybe George wanted to focus on the books, or it was something else entirely different. We’ll never know unless they tell us, which is unlikely. However judging by the quality of the latter stories, it’s safe to assume the story would have been still bad. Adding more flesh to a bare bones and rushed story isn’t going to do anything but rot the new additions. If the story is fundamentally flawed and bad, it doesn’t matter how long you make it; you’re not fixing the problem you’re just covering it in window dressing.

[@radwansoueidan6390]

@@nunouno001 my friend, your original comment says that the show wouldn’t have been as shitty if david and dan were in control of the entire thing “without” George’s help and assistance. I think you meant the opposite, that if george was more involved after season 4 then the material would have been much better

[@JoshuaHenelyThornhill]

And that’s why fans can really plan out an amazing show BUT will never get the opportunity to produce it cuz the big whoops are too scared that « it’s too complicated for general audience » what a shame really

[@xDonovanriotx]

I love that he stepped away from the series at the end of the 4th season so he can “work on the books.” He even joked about giving permission to kidnap him and isolate him in a isolated cabin so he can finish Winds of Winter if it wasn’t out by a certain date. Yet he works on everything, producing games and prequel shows to GoT but never on what made him famous. Yeah, he can work on different stuff, but at this point I’m pretty sure he’ll die before finishing the series and honestly, I’m ok with that.

[@scottwells466]

What reason does he honestly have to finish them?? His name is always being brought up. I wouldn’t be surprised if he has finished both of them and he is just waiting to die to release them.

[@ray5330]

I kinda think it was good to cut Lady Stoneheart from the show. I think there are too many resurrections

[@yugrise1286]

If Im George I will also fly to beg, Its my work I want to show more. I dont know why preston jacobs say it is ridiculous..

[@GolelaSihle]

After season 8, I started watching reviews and summaries of the books, and read the 3 Dunk and Egg Graphic Novels, and realised they BOTCHED The Golden Company, Bittersteel was turning in his grave seeing how DnD massacred his boy

[@arthemis1039]

I am sure that in a few decades their will be a new show

[@tha_jet_king3537]

No game of thrones was actually originally planned to have only 7 seasons even as far back as 2013/2014. You can check this out in an Entertainment Weekly Article/ interview by James Hibberd with the showrunners D&D..it’s titled “7 seasons is the plan” Sad shame KZbinrs put out misinformation like this

[@zacharytalmage2449]

I think basically other than adding some more depth and better writing and some other non major side plots keep season 1-6 the same seasons 7-8 and start of 9 should be about rallying the kingdoms to stop them from reaching the cities of the southern kingdoms and theon killing the night king also add denarys going mad Seasons 9 - 10 should be about how even after rallying together the seven kingdoms is still locked in a game for the throne by the end I’m fine with Danny deystroying the red keep then being killed by Jon then to conclude the end have a meeting of the great houses where they vote for a new king during this Sam runs in and is like all must know that Jon is the son of rheggar that might be out of character though and then he becomes king but then goes on a speech about how munipulation and deceit deystroyed the seven kingdoms and refuses to be king then the seven kingdoms becomes separated and the wheel is Brocken.

[@alphagamer9505]

You can't cut Stoneheart and Aegon. Stoneheart will probably participate in the Red Wedding 2.0 Frey Edition And more important and believe in the books she will be the one to tell Arya to abandon the path of vengeance or else she becomes like her, not literally but you get it and she concedes the gift of Mercy to Stoneheart. Aegon will probably be a important part on why Dany goes apeshit on King's Landing, Cersei Blews up the Sept, Aegon takes over, Jaime kills Cersei.

[@Whitehotforever1_]

I would’ve loved if Daenerys would’ve ruled Westeros a bit longer and wasn’t killed right away everything felt rushed

[@sunilnakah6329]

I hate the Mad Queen Danearys Targaryen and Rhaegal death is 2/3 bitterness and 1/3 sweetness. Which makes the ending more Bitter than Bittersweet, for a Bittersweet ending should be 1/2 Bitterness and 1/2 Sweetness. -Rhaegals death was too much, they should have made either Missandei death or Rhaegal death so that too much sadness does not come. -Mad Queen is workable, but I don't want to see Danearys fall to madness permanentl. However temporary madness is okay, because if they make Dany different than Aerys II, should they make so that Dany becomes Sane again. As she said she wanted to Break the wheel that causes suffering to the people.

[@silasmartin5210]

I agree with most of the points made. However one thing I don’t agree with is that the night king is boring without character. The whole appeal and terror of the Night King is there isn’t any personality simply a cold , frozen demon hell bent on destruction-outside of logic. By trying to characterise the night king and develop his character outside of lore I believe would take the terror away from the night King and the fear of the unknown he inspires.

[@mayankbisht7691]

Even if Faegon or Lady Stone heart was cut, we could have had satisfying adding

[@desmondfedaykin8872]

Except for Balon, Rob, Joffrey and Ned, everyone's stories are opened ended in the books.

[@wolveman22]

Unpopular opinion, but I didn't hate the ending as much as everyone's supposed to. I was just happy Danaryes didn't get the iron throne. I would have hated that.

[@doomd1816]

You just convinced me that they should NOT have had 10+ seasons They should of just had 8 full seasons Yes the martells should have been expanded and better Yes danaries should of ruled linger and been show as even more of as a tyrant And euron should have been closer to the book and more interesting But other than that, it is all junk Just add those 3 things and make season 7 and 8 ten full episodes The writers of the show mostly made good decisions on what to trim and they made many characters better than the books

[@kashia8375]

I think this series is just too complex for adaptation. There’s too many characters and plot lines and everyone has an opinion on what they like or don’t like. The characters are extremely complex people and it’s their complexities that move the story. I think House of the Dragon will do much better because Fire and Blood is less complex and leaves room for creativity.

[@Adriana-so5jn]

i dont understand how they depended so much on dumber and dumber!! "They wanted a life" ok so let them go, they showed the lack of talent they have, hbo couldn´'t just hire another writers? If they wanted a life, they could just quit and go

[@rakisyc]

It wouldve been good to see when the lannisters also defends the north with the starks against the wights but they lost and had to retreat to the Vale where the next battle happens. Then during the battle in kings landing Cercei would be trapped in the throne room and kingsguards fought and killed as many wights they can kill but they were overrun cercei tried to escape but ends up running into more wights. Dany will arrive with her dragons and burns kings landing to rid of wights. The other forces kept retreating up to almost making it to Dorne where they make their last stand. Battles would be all over westeros. Olenna locked up in highgarden would drink a poison as she sees highgarden got breached by the wights and started slaughtering everyone. Whitewalkers is split to different kingdoms fighting houses and one by one dies until only the night king is left and the final battle by the sands where Jon and his forces finally win the 1st time and pushes back the night king forces up to storms end or dragonstone. I think it would be a more epic battle than what we got 🤷‍♂️

[@MrBeachDoctor]

Everyone blaming this and that, but if George had finished the damn books it would have been much better. MAybe in 10 years they will do a reboot like the superman movies, 3 different reboots/times they showed him coming to earth crash landing then saving this new dad by lifting the car off him.

[@thelienmachine]

it would’ve been interesting for season 4 to include jamie revealing the tysha twist to Tyrion and tyrion becoming basically evil like he is in the books. evil and chaotic tyrion would actually contribute to the story, and cause huge consequences to Westeros if he was like his book self and not doing nothing like he does from season 5 onward

[@jamiewalsh9184]

I love how zombie cat is always brought up when theres only an epilogue chapter written on her lol so much better stuff could have been adapted like the northern conspiracy and dorne ( not quentyns shit journey and stupid death )

[@AaronGuest]

Don't you dare say Littlefinger gets the throne, no lord in Westeros liked him, and they from Bran all would've learned that he was partially responsible for the war. FOH

[@QueenDaenerysTargaryen]

Dracarys 🐲🐲🐲

[@steelspy4583]

I can believe what they did to you in the last episode

[@Dragon.um5tz]

I am trying to rewrite the last season but fix some flaws in the other seasons however I’m trying to keep things pretty similar and for me I’m sticking to eight seasons and as for the night kings fate He dies in the sword fight Jon Snow while longclaw is on fire

[@santiagomenchaca4248]

If they say after house of the dragon is Finnish they would do a 100% faiful adaptation of a song of fire and ice and making season 5 to 8 in univers a fake part of a history book i be more than please