Wich Came First? The Bible or the Church. Mar Mari Emmanuel

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[@CXIwell]

How many churches did the Lord Jesus built? Well this is an important question becos it is clearly stated in Matthew 16: 18 that The Lord Jesus Christ built ONLY ONE CHURCH on the apostle Peter. In that one Church whom the Lord Jesus himself built on Peter, there came a Bible. The Church was already existed before the making of the Bible by Catholic priests under the directions of the council and various popes. Mr Robert, I think this is not a difficult question becos you already know and you have never talked about it.

[@ShermanMays-fw8ko]

In the beginning was the word.

[@milkshakeplease4696]

word-concept fallacy. Words don't always mean the same thing. The word doesn't mean Bible as you are quoting, the word "word" there is pointing to Jesus. If you say the scriptures are the word of God, sure, but the word there means something different than what the verse John 1 was talking about (Jesus)

[@ShermanMays-fw8ko]

The word is God

[@ShermanMays-fw8ko]

You’re right I think we are saying the same thing. Yes the word is the living word Jesus Christ.

[@Benjamin12320]

I prefer Bible ✝️.

[@bernardauberson7218]

Tu es libre ! Mais qu’est-ce que tu en fais ! Tu ne la comprends pas, tu la lis en solitaire, misérable.

[@bernardauberson7218]

Es- ce que tu mettrais ta confiance dans une tonne de papier, même du papier-Bible ! Où sont vos œuvres et l’expérience des saints ? Ah! Mais , vous ne pouvez pas voir les saints , chez les hérétiques.

[@Benjamin12320]

@@bernardauberson7218 Please write in english. I can understand english little bit . But english is not my native language.❤️ Praise the Lord.

[@Teutonic__Knight]

What he is trying to say in English: The faith/church came first before the Bible. If there was no church/faith or tradition that canonized the Bible from all these different sacred Scripts, there wouldn't be the Bible without the church. Without the church in the Traditions that existed before the Bible you wouldn't be able to interpret the Bible correctly.

[@Teutonic__Knight]

First you had Abraham and all the prophets and such that wrote down manuscripts and information, then you had Jesus Christ the Living God that came and who died for our sins then after that it was the traditions that were handed down by the apostles. Then, after the apostles, you had early church fathers. Then, after the early church fathers, the Ecumenical councils, which is the process of creating the Bible. Then the Bible came after all that. In summary, the Catholic Church, which is also including the Orthodox Church, is the only churches that are directly connected to this. So how are they wrong?

[@nikolaromanos456]

There are books lately and they added some words in the Holy Bible the one use by Joseph Smiths the Mormons, the Iglesia ni Manalo in the Philippines, and some words missing in the book of the Protestants like Baptist and others no longer like the original after 100 AD Bible.

[@ShermanMays-fw8ko]

With all love and respect the Lord spoke and the universe formed around his word to his will. Everything forms to his will because he is God. He is perfect his word is perfect. You can’t change his word or God. It’s is living it is a spirit. The Holy Spirit. I promise you the Bible is the word of God.

[@lukashbasumatary5581]

Amen 🙏 🙏

[@ggmode9819]

he said "church" very clearly, he never said religion, only few can understand that

[@martinedalo5595]

God said don't test him.

[@jerrykeyser2336]

Amen

[@andyontheinternet5777]

The Bible is God's written word because God inspired it, not because the church authenticated it. If the church rejected the Bible, it would still be God's word.

[@milkshakeplease4696]

no if the Church didn't authenticate it, it would've never been made, look at the history. the Church, who is inspired by the Holy Spirit, created the Bible. It didn't drop from the sky so that is a false either or. The Church existed first, they created the Bible, inspired by the Holy Spirit, and through the councils decided the proper order and so forth and the right books, which was also inspired. You might have a point if the Bible dropped from the sky, but it didn't. God created the Bible through the Church so that is a false either/or you are speaking of. The Scriptures and the Church are intertwined

[@bernardauberson7218]

Tu tords la vérité ! Un simple perroquet de tes confrères. Indigne !

[@Teutonic__Knight]

First you had Abraham and all the prophets and such that wrote down manuscripts and information, then you had Jesus Christ the Living God that came and who died for our sins then after that it was the traditions that were handed down by the apostles. Then, after the apostles, you had early church fathers. Then, after the early church fathers, the Ecumenical councils, which is the process of creating the Bible. Then the Bible came after all that. In summary, the Catholic Church, which is also including the Orthodox Church, is the only churches that are directly connected to this. So how are they wrong?

[@andyontheinternet5777]

@@Teutonic__Knight If the church counsels had ruled the Bible was not God's word, would it still be God's written word?

[@Teutonic__Knight]

@@andyontheinternet5777 Straw man agreement because that didn't really happen. Anyways I will proceed to answer. The Bible is not 100% directly God's word per se. The Bible is, however, heavily divine influenced by God. The Bible is one aspect of being a Christian, not the only one. Sure, you can argue it's the biggest aspect, but it's not the only. We are not Muslims where they only have their book with no outside sources and older traditions to back it up with. Christianity, however, has outside sources to back up the faith from archeology, history, (even science), to older traditions that have been passed down to us, and the fulfillment of the Old Testament. Thomas Aquarius, a medieval Church Father, argued about this against the Muslims. He pointed out that the Muslims had no traditions that were older than the Christians to tie them to their faith or support their legitimacy or claims. Thomas Aquarius also points out that the so-called miracles that Muhammad did are not supported through historical records with no eyewitnesses outside of their book, while we Christians have that with Jesus. An example of where the Quran talked about Muhammad splitting the moon into two and putting it back together; so Thomas Aquarius asks where all of the eye witnesses in the world that reported this? There isn't any other than their "holy" book. By this analogy, the modern American Protestants act as Muslims in a lot of ways. Disconnected from their past, and only really on the Bible.

[@ShermanMays-fw8ko]

Which came first the chicken or the egg? The Holy Bible the word is God.

[@bernardauberson7218]

Réfléchis plus loin que le bout de ton nez ! Sur quelle voie vas- tu ? Tu parles dans le vide ! Alors , tais- toi !

[@ralphspears1377]

Witch was first the chicken or the 🥚 egg or did the egg come first that is the question

[@Teutonic__Knight]

The Catholic church was well-established already. It has already been proven historically. First, it was the traditions that were handed down by the apostles. Then, after the apostles, you had early church fathers. Then, after the early church fathers, the Ecumenical councils, which is the process of creating the Bible. Then the Bible came after all that. The Bible was created by putting together old sacred texts and manuscripts as well as historical reports and data, creating the Bible we know now.

[@johnchamberlain9775]

IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD

[@Teutonic__Knight]

Yeah the word is Jesus Christ

[@Teutonic__Knight]

First you had Abraham and all the prophets and such that wrote down manuscripts and information, then you had Jesus Christ the Living God that came and who died for our sins then after that it was the traditions that were handed down by the apostles. Then, after the apostles, you had early church fathers. Then, after the early church fathers, the Ecumenical councils, which is the process of creating the Bible. Then the Bible came after all that. The Bible was created by putting together old sacred texts and manuscripts as well as historical reports and data, creating the Bible we know now.

[@ralphspears1377]

What are you saying we are a building or we the called out one's that are Jesus christ bro,s that God gave him.

[@Teutonic__Knight]

Exactly! First you had Abraham and all the prophets and such that wrote down manuscripts and information, then you had Jesus Christ the Living God that came and who died for our sins then after that it was the traditions that were handed down by the apostles. Then, after the apostles, you had early church fathers. Then, after the early church fathers, the Ecumenical councils, which is the process of creating the Bible. Then the Bible came after all that. In summary, the Catholic Church, which is also including the Orthodox Church, is the only churches that are directly connected to this.

[@ralphspears1377]

All you need now is a duck wisel to call out the church duckers that make people site in pous like siting ducks waiting for to save them and you can't even save your self.

[@Teutonic__Knight]

Wut?

[@Teutonic__Knight]

My argument against the Protestants is essentially the same argument Thomas Aquias uses against the Muslims: The Bible is not 100% directly God's word per se. The Bible is, however, heavily divine influenced by God. The Bible is one aspect of being a Christian, not the only one. Sure, you can argue it's the biggest aspect, but it's not the only. We are not Muslims where they only have their book with no outside sources and older traditions to back it up with. Christianity, however, has outside sources to back up the faith from archeology, history, (even science), to older traditions that have been passed down to us, and the fulfillment of the Old Testament. Thomas Aquarius, a medieval Church Father, argued about this against the Muslims. He pointed out that the Muslims had no traditions that were older than the Christians to tie them to their faith or support their legitimacy or claims. Thomas Aquarius also points out that the so-called miracles that Muhammad did are not supported through historical records with no eyewitnesses outside of their book, while we Christians have that with Jesus. An example of where the Quran talked about Muhammad splitting the moon into two and putting it back together. So, Thomas Aquarius asks , "Where are all of the eye witnesses in the world that reported this? There isn't any other than their 'holy' book." By this analogy, the modern American Protestants act as Muslims in a lot of ways. Disconnected from their past, disconnected from history, disconnected from culture, disconnected from tradition, and only rely on the Bible.

[@sukhdevsukha9967]

First came bible then Education center church to teach Bible

[@Teutonic__Knight]

That's historically not true, though. The Catholic church was well-established already. It has already been proven historically. First, it was the traditions that were handed down by the apostles. Then, after the apostles, you had early church fathers. Then, after the early church fathers, the Ecumenical councils, which is the process of creating the Bible. Then the Bible came after all that. The Bible was created by putting together old sacred texts and manuscripts as well as historical reports and data, creating the Bible we know now.

[@sukhdevsukha9967]

@@Teutonic__Knight first bible in pagan temple then first church build by roman empire then........

[@hillarymacadam424]

The Holy Saints

[@MyExperiancedOpinion]

Wich Came First? The Bible or the Church. / NEITHER. THE HOLY SPIRIT CAME FIRST :-) THEN SOME JEWISH RABBI , WROTE A BOOK CALLED THE BIBLE. AND TAINTED THE HOLY SPIRIT'S WISHES. THEREIN...

[@Michael_the_Drunkard]

Okay neopagan

[@Teutonic__Knight]

Wut????

[@anthonyjurkiewicz292]

John 1:14 will answer this question using the Bible. Not a man's ramblings .

[@bernardauberson7218]

Parfaitement, c’est dans ces milliers de synagogues sans nom qu’il y a foule d’errants ! L’Eglise est là cpmme un garde-fous ! Va donc voir plus loin !

[@patrickcarter1820]

John 1:14 is referring to Jesus. To a Deity. Are you saying the Bible is God?

[@anthonyjurkiewicz292]

Yes. We as believers can't fully comprehend God the Father, God the son, and God the indwelling spirit in us. But as a saved person, you know by faith and faith comes by hearing the true message of salvation.

[@bernardauberson7218]

@@anthonyjurkiewicz292 ok. But with faith alone is an heresy. Faith without works is dead. St James 2; 24

[@Teutonic__Knight]

​@@anthonyjurkiewicz292dude it's not up to you we don't know if we're saved LOL😂

[@Triebwerkstoerung]

you can't even spell right

[@ShermanMays-fw8ko]

Me either but God knows my name. Pretty good… happy Father’s Day Jesus loves you so much

[@bernardauberson7218]

@@ShermanMays-fw8koCe n’est pas l’orgueil qui t’étouffe! Hôte ta poutre pour voir clair !