Pulling With a Press- How to set up the press to pull. (A very long How To)

[@WideVisionMetalFab]

The idea behind this video is to show how to PULL with a PRESS. It's about setup, not about actually getting the bolt out. (Which I did in another video)

[@Martin-tb4oo]

Wide Vision Metal Fab Is there a reason why you didn't add heat with acetylene torch to help free the spacer?

[@NigelTolley]

Martin Olson Heating the bolt would've made it expand and grip the bushing even harder, no?

[@roberthousedorfii1743]

Couldn't you just weld the damn bolt at the thread side, and drill it out? That would seem to be MUCH quicker. Assuming you have a bit that size and a drill that can do the job? I'm suggesting this because it seems like the bolt might NOT be seized in there, but partially sheared.

[@jolllyroger1]

Wide Vision Metal Fab I appreciate that you showed all you tried.... I probably would have gone straight to a hack saw..... And of course there is cutting off one of the ears and making and welding a new ear.... Or torching out the bolt or a stick of dynamite lol.... Heat and cold are great make a container around the problem and pour in liquid nitrogen let er sit a bit and drain the nitrogen then use impact hammer... Or Lil nitroglycerin lol yeah explosives work great lol... Good vid love problem solving sometimes the easiest is to rebuild a part from scratch too.... Another solution is a small mill or drill press mounted sideways and a boring bar..... There is always a way and even if you do not have all the Kool tools still you can get er done.... But yeah a hack saw and elbow grease he he he..... Oh and after you had welded the bolt on I would have put pressure with a nut on that bolt torqued it and then heated.... Just another thought..... Because a bolt and nut is a puller too..... Aweful lot of city folk that wouldn't even have a clue how to remove the first nur

[@jamier6742]

Wide Vision Metal Fab sure you did BoB! 😂

[@Changtent]

I'm retired now, after 40 years as a licensed Heavy Duty mechanic. Faced this type of situation many, many times. Really like your press design, think I'll build one like it for my home shop. Good video, thx you'all :)

[@Oldvet1946]

I have taken many stuck pins out of offshore cranes that had rusted for 20 years. The trick is to heat the pin (in your case bolt) untill it is red hot and just keep heating it for sometime after it gets red hot. Then stop and go eat lunch while it cools down. 99% will tap right out, and the other 1% will need a few big hammer blows. But in the end you make a bushing and your back in business. Great video. Mike

[@WideVisionMetalFab]

I've never had much luck with heating stuck pins. I think I've never done the "let it cool" part of heating.

[@CompEdgeX2013]

If it's not lunchtime and yer in a hurry add water to the red bolt. Rust crystallizes and things come apart easily. :-)

[@WideVisionMetalFab]

I think I'll try it.

[@Oldvet1946]

It works. Some of those pins I have removed had been in place for over 25 years in the salt air. But the trick is, when you think it is hot enough it is not so keep pouring the heat to it. And you can cool it quickly by adding water to it. Mike

[@andrewwilson8317]

Oldvet1946 the adding heat and then cool option works but does have a down side. The heating can ruin the parts if they have been heat treated at new to give a specific hardness/toughness to the parts. I have had to go to an accident scene where a hiab had failed and dropped a load. The failure point was at one of the pivots where it had distorted and collapsed. The smoking gun was that the paint finish was burnt black around one side of the joint,where it had failed. It was concluded that the heating to remove a seized pin was the reason for the softening and failure of the pivot ears. Just a caution as every job is different. Does not hurt to be aware of secondary damage.

[@super6954]

Hi I just found your channel by accident, I farm here at home and repair equipment for guys to. I was thinking the same about the heat and cool with water trick for this. I worked for a blacksmith in the U.K when I was 15 and in high school then for a while after trade school. How he put that was I'll teach you then go to school and learn how it should be done. Then come back here and do it my way which works and is quicker, He was right on most of that! He showed me that heat/ water trick and I can't say how many times it's saved my skin later in life, yes you do have to be careful what you do it on for damaging heat treatments or components, dull cherry red was the heat color he used. The odd time it might need doing twice to. I did a hinge made from 3/4 all thread from my hog barn the other day, I got the nut off from outside the barn to get the hinge out from the wall. The sandwich nut thats inside covered in hog crap and rust was solid and wouldn't move with a 2ft wrench holding it in a bench vise,.I heated it cooled it, and it moved with my fingers after that. I moved to Canada but found out yesterday that blacksmith lived to be in his late 80's and sadly died this year,his son is running the business still. I actually just unsubbed to Chucke when I figured out he disabled my comments I was adding, and only I was seeing them so wasting my time . I think he's done it to a lot more he don't agree with their experience to . Well thats your gain in getting another sub, I'm looking forward to watching more. Take care Regards Robert

[@MrG6254]

after I went and purchased a lathe a press and a welder and tube stock all I needed was a hacksaw thanks for the information

[@fastst1]

Had a similar situation, pin didn't spin and was 15 inches long, stuck in bushing. welded on a grade 8 bolt, stacked some tube and plate and did the pulling with the nut and a 6' pipe wrench, 1 inch bolt, slop it with anti seize and moly grease, the nut was smoking hot but it stretched and then pulled that pin, kept adding blocks until it was all the way out.

[@TheTruthRocks]

Good stuff. You could also use a large deep-well impact socket over the bolt head.

[@brucewilliams6292]

Neat idea and well done. Thanks for sharing.

[@RonaldDCass]

I have a 55 year old VH4D Wisconsin engine. I had to remove the flywheel and shroud. I used an impact wrench, heat and penetrant to finally remove the nut. I succeeded after trying daily for a week. Then the real challenge came! How to remove the flywheel from the shaft. I created a puller but only managed to damage the casting, which had to be repaired later by welding. I soaked penetrant, alternated with as much heat as I felt safe, then more penetrant. I was able to carefully jam "pickle forks" and wedges from behind. This was acompanied with heavy hammer blows. After almost a month of daily attempts, I was about to give up, when a friend visited and I was going to demonstrate how impossible a project I had. I explained everything I had done and he couldn't advise any better way to do it. So I again heated, applied penetrant, drove the wedges in as much as safe, then one blow with a heavy hammer and SURPRISE!!! It just popped off! Surprisingly, the tapered shaft is almost perfect. Sometimes the only way to get stuck bolts etc off is PATIENCE, and a good method.

[@ghilreese3413]

Good idea. Looks like you have the Kubota glued down pretty good. Thanks for the video.

[@WideVisionMetalFab]

thanks for watching! :)

[@dznm10]

Moral lesson of the story, install grease fitting to your pins or bushings so they don't corrode in the long run!

[@marksnapp5407]

Inspiring video the amount of work to get that bolt out was insane. Ive been there. most people would've given up on it. Im sure you have used that puller on many other jobs too.

[@jeffryblackmon4846]

Very good. Thanks for sharing your idea.

[@tomchristopher4576]

Great 'stick-to-it-ivness`. In the end, you solved the problem.👍

[@WideVisionMetalFab]

Thanks for the kind words. I feel like I need to re-do this video. Judging by the comments, most people don't seem to be understanding I simply wanted to show the setup of how to pull on something with a press.

[@johngriffin3046]

Wide Vision Metal Fab, some people are just not open to different ideas. Ignore them - "you can't fix stupid."

[@WeTrudgeOn]

If you would have heated the housing it would have expanded enough to allow it to be pulled apart. Heating works almost every time whether it's a stuck nut or a stuck pin.

[@EEJester1586]

Good stuff man. New ways of looking to getting things done. Nice to see I'm not the only youngish person in this line of work. good luck with your channel lots of good stuff.

[@WideVisionMetalFab]

Thanks for the kind words!

[@thatbiguy1975]

good example of how to pull with a press. regardless of the fact it didn't work this time or the possibility that a million other ways would have popped it apart in 5 seconds with no harm

[@douglassmith2055]

Arc gouge. Uses an arc welder , hollow carbon rod using compressed air, will burn straight down through the bolt and out the other side. Heating rusted frozen stuff does work well if you can get the heat where the rust surfaces are located, in this case would be tough. The arc gouge is a specialty tool of course but would be the standard professional way heavy equipment is fixed in the field.

[@445supermag]

Once you have a bolt welded on, you can drop a piece of tubing over the bolt. Then, you can pull by tightening the nut with an impact. Your limit was stretching the bolt, and you can do that with a big enough impact wrench.

[@WideVisionMetalFab]

That's good information! Thanks for sharing!

[@NigelTolley]

Paolo G I thought that too, except you'd need a way to stop the bolt & bushing from rotating. You could weld a tab on, and another onto the frame, then cut them off after...

[@886014]

Good video, thanks. I did have to laugh when I saw the air hammer, as it wasn't going to do anything other than damage somebody's hearing and annoy the crap out of the neighbours. There's a time and a place for a sledge hammer/small jackhammer and I'd suggest this was one of those times ;)

[@warrantyvoid100]

If you still have the stuck bushing and bolt please saw the bushing from both sides and see if it pops loose. Enquiring minds must know what it looks like in there!

[@WideVisionMetalFab]

I can cut it apart. I'm kinda curious myself.

[@jeffryblackmon4846]

As am I. It will be very interesting to see what caused all the trouble.

[@blacksheep9734]

Jeffry Blackmon ill put money on it that rust caused the problem

[@tanksoldier9770]

Hey there could you do a video on your over head rail and hoist system ? ,when I was younger I helped a guy build a scraper for leavening our fields ,we took two 12 foot beegees and made a 24 foot scraper,our checks were 400 feet wide and the longest was three miles long we pulled it with a big 4x4 JD ,it worked great . Thanks for all the great videos. TANK

[@WideVisionMetalFab]

Actually working on the overhead hoist video now! :) Lots of requests for that. It'll be a while before I get it posted.

[@bytesysed]

If you have a hammer, everything is a nail. If you have a welder, everything is whatever you want it to be...

[@oliverkauper6015]

Everyone should have a welder and learn how to weld. It's such a useful tool and skill to have. I should have bought my everlast welders many years ago.

[@944tim]

whether it worked as planned or not, I still learned something! Thanks for sharing that!

[@jeremiahhale5001]

You just got a new subscriber :) thanks for the info 🙏

[@PhilsProjects]

Clever setup Matthew

[@WideVisionMetalFab]

Thanks Phil!

[@YourOldDog]

Fantastic video! I've learned so much about perseverance. The press was just ginger-bread right? All that was needed was the welded on bolt, a collar to slip over it all and a nut to turn?

[@gilbertodiazcastro8871]

Two things: 1) 16:17 is that a cracked weld on the lower ear? 2) Did you consider any PB blaster overnight? That stuff works miracles on rusted in suspension bolts/pins.

[@WideVisionMetalFab]

Yep, that weld is cracked. And yep, I did use lots of penetrating oil on it. Thanks for watching! :)

[@whidbeyman]

Nothing better than a mix of ATF and acetone to loosen rusty fittings, bolts, etc. Try it and be amazed.

[@juanrivero8]

Very interesting way to use a bottle jack. I hate stuck bolts. The heat treatment works best for me.

[@WideVisionMetalFab]

Thanks! I was hoping people would find it interesting.

[@watahyahknow]

good way to test the strength of youre welds

[@PaganSunburn]

For stuck bolts, just use either Kroil or if you do not have that, then use brake fluid. Let it soak then pull it out with the press or hammer it out.

[@daki222000]

great video. thanks for sharing. cheers.

[@WideVisionMetalFab]

And thanks for watching!

[@ashleysomerville2509]

Nice setup you had there. You just needed to add a little heat aswell for it to work.

[@davidschwartz5127]

Thinking out of the box a little farther, even if there was no gap for the cutoff wheel, saw or cut the bolt off on the inside as you did with the cutoff wheel then rebuild the area with your welder and redrill the hole one end at a time? Try some precision heat. Maybe weld some 1/4" rods on both ends and connect a stick welding circuit through the bolt. Start on low current first to get a feel for how much your welder will handle. Should be dull red in 30 seconds or so.

[@WideVisionMetalFab]

Shorting the welder through the bolt is an interesting idea. I would like to play with that idea a bit!

[@irondiver292]

Wide Vision Metal Fab unless you are running 800ish amps or more through it, don’t waste your time.

[@jamesjames1691]

The pulling method is great. In this case it seems that just grinding it down and drilling it out would get it done.

[@kejay74]

Just stumbled across this (22 DEC 2017) and wanted to note that when dealing with 'old iron' and steel, water can be your friend. Keep in mind that water will dissolve rust, provided you have NOT sealed it out with a bunch of oil. Keep the area saturated with copious amounts of water and vibrate it with hammer blows (air hammer preferred) and you may be very surprised how easily some items give up and move. This ONLY works for iron and steel. NOT brass, bronze, stainless or aluminum.

[@gregk.6723]

Heat, heat and more heat !

[@schark30]

i kinda wounder if maybe you took the time and oil hardened it if the bolt still would had stretched . i know it was easy to cut but im saying if there was a case that you couldnt of done that. or welded that round slug to the bad bolt with a oil harden pin of some sort going threw the side of the slug

[@websitesthatneedanem]

Very Interesting!

[@outsidescrewball]

Interesting info

[@MrJdsenior]

Nice, might put this idea to work one day. Dont'cha hate it when problems just shrug off EVERYTHING you throw at them? In the final analysis, you WON though. ;-)

[@philh3178]

Could you have used the 8 ton bottle jack on the underside to push while you were pulling with the 20 ton jack on top?

[@al9094]

Love reading some of these comments its like they can't hear you. a child can do it by the book. This is for the one that needs help reading the book. You know the one that tries to tell you what you should do in an instruction video.

[@gordbaker896]

Good effort. I would have tack welded bolt head, drilled down as far as possible with 3/4" drill, then cut the bolt head off, use a serious Impact gun after heating outside of the fixture cherry red and quenching with water. In the end, whatever works is best. Check the bottom bracket for cracked weld.

[@NoctuaStrigiformes]

Thank you, you just saved me a bundle!

[@wayneleake1971]

A minor suggestion. You should always tell people that they need to use a welding helmet and lens whenever using any type of arc welding. Otherwise, the retinas can get sunburned, and that can be vary very painfull. I knew a person who watched some welding, and his eyes ached for a good time after that. Even with gas welding and brazing, cutting, etc., one should use welding goggles to protect the eyes.

[@euclidallglorytotheloglady5500]

Oooh my god this brings back haunting nightmares!

[@rayeddy528]

Heat the outside of bracket at point of bushing placement while pressing. Be safe and God bless you!!!

[@WideVisionMetalFab]

Heat usually helps, but since this was a "double bushing" I didn't think it would get down to the bolt. And Thanks! :)

[@donc81]

Neat way to work at things Mathew. I like the how to type of video. How do you spell the name of the other press? I tried looking for watuna on google and didn't come up with anything

[@WideVisionMetalFab]

owatonna tool company. They just go by "OTC" now. Their website is otctools.com

[@donc81]

Wide Vision Metal Fab oooohhh I know otc. Ha.

[@mathewmolk2089]

H-A-R-B-O-R F-R-I-G-H-T And get the 20 ton Air over Hydraulic ram and you are good to go --- I even use my Press Break Dies in it. Bend 3/16 plate all the time.

[@bheckel1]

Diablo carbide saw all blades would cut that bolt like butter. Just be patient and don't run it fast or get it hot. One blade will cut a 2 1/4 hardened pin once. Thanks for the video.

[@Super73VW]

Fire wrench is your friend! no need for crazy head, but just a little head on that bushing mount would get that thing to pop!

[@jimzivny1554]

Nice setup, I've looked at hollow hydraulic cylinders, dam expensive.

[@WideVisionMetalFab]

Yep, expensive. I also have a 4x8" live hydraulic cylinder I was going to use on this, but decided to go the bottle jack route just for the sake of the video.

[@stuartcookie133]

Time to install a Grease fitting in that bushing....you did do that ,right!!??

[@Dpix1990]

I get that this was as much about the setup as getting that bolt out. However there are much easier ways. Cut the bolt through the joint with a hacksaw or sawzall. Then you can just drill / press it out

[@weldweld5629]

Stuck pretty good and good video but ya should have put some heat to that bushing

[@educatedmanholecoverbyrich8890]

Okay, so you cut off the bolt. After seeing that internally had welded itself onto the bushing, I mused that when you fit the new bolt to the new bushing, then you use 3 strips of PTFE tape longitudinally (dangle em down the bushing or over the bolt as you fit the bolt. This way the bolt will never weld its way to the bushing ever again.

[@MrThenry1988]

I've heated the head of the bolt red hot a couple of times. It soaks down the bolt to separate the sleeve.

[@flightofarrow]

John Deere usees neoprene bushes on some of their stuff so when you go to drive it out the bushing takes all the shock out of your mighty hammer blows

[@3347861]

Heat and beat!

[@hardcase1659]

I'd like to know the dimensions of your bottle jack press.

[@MaverickandStuff]

Good information, heat and penetrating oil are your friend.

[@heywhyerd]

Amazing how strong rust weld can be.

[@blacksheep9734]

Id take a grinder and cut the bolt in between that frame and the pice that the bushing is spinning inside

[@hughdanaher2758]

But then we wouldn’t learn anything about welders, lathes and hydraulic presses.

[@blacksheep9734]

Hugh Danaher yes your right. But in the field, you wanna get stuff done as fast as possible. So you just cut the 2$ bolt and replace it. Makes your life, and the next guys life easier. If it were me id just replace it.

[@CarlJohnson-km8zr]

Ive done that before, but with rust its almost always better to use heat or acid.

[@boomstickkid]

you have any videos on the overhead crane in the shop?

[@WideVisionMetalFab]

No. I want to make a video on it. It's something my grandpa built back in the 50's, so I want him on camera talking about it, but every time we set a time for an interview, he disappears!

[@goatmoag]

nice

[@jamesmclaughlinprimitivele4587]

so surprised the mug weld held when the bolts failed.

[@murrayrunge5602]

heat it up and the metal expands, let it contract by cooling, then it more likely to come out .

[@superdave2112]

Well that's it. I need a hoist in the shop.

[@TheNimshew]

Why is the bolt not coming out? You wouldn't think that steel has become one with brass. Dry ice might of worked.

[@octymocty132]

can see the pull only compression ????

[@brettpomeroy6804]

Pb blaster?

[@funone8716]

I can't be the first one to make this comment.........anybody else think this guy looks like Steve McQueen?? Seriously dude, if they ever make a movie about Steve McQueen's life, YOU are in the lineup to play his character. Were talkin leading role type stuff here.

[@shadow-Sun]

Man vs machine ..in this case man won :)

[@billhanson4921]

before you put the bolts back in, drill the middle out an eighth, about 3 deep and then drill through the side an eighth join the holes up, then fit a grease fitting on the center hole, then when its in.... pump the fucker full of grease, when you need to move it next time you can force a shit ton of grease round it and pull it out easily!

[@tommie293]

Maybe a pushme-pullyou method would have worked. Lovin' iot. Thanks

[@WideVisionMetalFab]

Didn't even cross my mind! Not a bad idea! :)

[@randallshular5362]

That bolt reminds me of my ex-wife. Stubborn and refuses to budge or give. Lol

[@mikeman230]

Take a sawsall and cut the part out. then push piece out in press

[@kmcwhq]

OK I get it, think outside the box. But I don't think a bottle jack works to good on it's side.

[@2littledogs558]

It works just the same as it does vertical, as long as the piston is below the ram.

[@ROTAXD]

kmcwhq you've apparently never seen a motorcycle lift table, have you ? They use a bottle jack lying on it's side right from the factory.

[@kmcwhq]

And apparently the pump and reservoir are designed to work that way. "Right from the factory" as you say. Bottle jacks are designed to work vertically.

[@Parastorm.]

I have never seen a jack that doesn't work on its side.. like is said above keep the piston/handle at the bottom it will work just fine...

[@jolllyroger1]

marti Hollingsworth will yeah but the resivour pick up is what's important... You can use bottle Jack's upside down even..... You just have to disassemble and add a tube to the pick up that extends to the top end of the bottle (the bottle is the resivour Mr Pete or tubal cain has a good video about how they work.... You can even remove the bottle and add a remote resivour resivour that you put anywhere the resivour is under no pressure.... It just holds the fluid

[@engleharddinglefester4285]

"The simplest solutions are the most elegant" lol nice try and thanks

[@earlborchardt4358]

What the hell guys? A couple shots of WD, or PB or some such and that pin would have slid right out.

[@bryankirk3567]

Just add another bottle jack underneath the bolt.

[@kenberscheit480]

a 7.00 botlle of antiseize will prevent that when you do repairs , most people dont realize that

[@educatedmanholecoverbyrich8890]

Well; I'm 3/4 way through, and I noticed that you have about 3/16 gap on the bolt head. A hardened cheese wedge might just see the bolt part out, enough so the jack can finish the rest.... I'll watch on... and comment later.... grind it all off, drill the bolt to 1/4 the bolt diameter then find a drift the fits the hole in the bolt and start hammering. You could drill down further and widen til the drill size id 1/32 the bolt size, then it has to come out. Failing that, do what I do: Talk real nice to her (always a her, remember). Say things like "Come on out for day, you gorgeous rose petal with the brain the size of a parking lot. She'll come, women generally do, if'n you say the right words to them.

[@IvyMike.]

Just get all of it cherry red and let it cool

[@MrG6254]

heat up knock out dont need complete machine shop who has or would waste that much time

[@WideVisionMetalFab]

You missed the point of the video. This was about setting up the press to PULL. Don't get stuck on the idea that the bolt didn't come out.

[@joncampbell8665]

Thank you the common sense comment.

[@jolllyroger1]

Wide Vision Metal Fab yeah you solved the problem in the end.... More than one way to skin a cat....

[@flhusa1]

ant-seize

[@MrG6254]

what caliber would metal coming out of that nut area with your face right in it be

[@akquicksilver]

Should of tried a rosebud on that puppy while you had the press in a bind.

[@TheMetalButcher]

Hydro jack won't work on the side.

[@WideVisionMetalFab]

Yes it does. I do it quite often. Just keep the pump on the bottom so oil can get to it.

[@kindig88]

Heat it good with the torch then let it cool down

[@gasgiant7122]

Great “out of the box” video, would have worked if nature hadn’t have welded it up good.

[@michaeldose2041]

Two words: Apply Heat

[@bsteleven]

Wow! now that was a tough one, your final solution in hindsight should have been executed sooner, but it was also the nuclear solution which is also the last resort. Like looking for that tool you just used it's always found in the last place you look.

[@WideVisionMetalFab]

had I known it wouldn't come out, I would have cut it out to start with. But I was also looking for a reason to make a video. :)

[@mathewmolk2089]

If you are not good enough with an arcair or torch get a porta band or even a sawsall. and cut the bolt between top and bottom joints and then put it in the mill or eve a drill press and drill it out ,,,,,. No loss either way --- When you pull the bolt out you are going destroy the bushing no matter what. - It will save you a ton of time and material over welding and cutting and machining all the fixtures you used to pull it out. (I was cringing waiting for something to brekl and knock your head off to. - Very least a hard hat and porta power so you can get at a safe distance.away. . (I saw a guy from the steel mill end up in the ICU with brain injuries after a 100 ton jack flew out and hit him. ) Don't want to see it again.

[@ellieprice3396]

Looks Micky Mouse dangerous, there's got to be an easier way.

[@chrishill6276]

Ellie Price yeah mickey mouse alright. This bloke is a clown. Another no guard on the grinder idiot

[@tobygathergood4990]

Hmmm...exactly how far away are you from Chuck Norris?

[@jster1963]

That baby was stuck!!

[@WideVisionMetalFab]

It still is! ;)

[@eksine]

What not to do

[@boogywoman6276]

I would have cut the head off the bolt and pressed it out normally, hell of a lot quicker! Lol

[@WideVisionMetalFab]

You missed the point of the video. This was about setting up the press to PULL. Don't get stuck on the idea that the bolt didn't come out.