Wife Is SICKENED After Discovering Husband’s Double Life

In today's true crime documentary, we're covering the case of Jeffrey Hazelwood.
Note for KZbin's review team, here is the context of the video: this is an educational documentary and authoritative news piece based on actual police documents and case files. Our team of psychology professionals analyze the interrogation footage from an educational perspective with a focus on psychology, red flags, and prevention. Our goal is to educate the public, inform our audience, and raise awareness.
Analysis team qualifications:
- Licensed Clinical Psychologist
- Licensed Professional Counselor
- Former Licensed Professional Counselor
- Licensed Attorney

[@Spuddins54]

Kelsey was treated worse in the interrogation than some of the serial killers we've seen.

[@robertgross9518]

that's almost abuse what he's doing. useless guy

[@Anthony.and.Bigsis]

For real. I dont pity her for her disability, I am looking at her like any normal regular person. And that's what makes me feel bad for her. the detective was in the wrong here. Must have been a rookie

[@cdion78]

Some of his brain cells have escaped through his bald spot.

[@josepolotan6899]

@@cdion78 That's why it's hard to imagine that he's a rookie. Hehe

[@MrTyler918273]

And her mom there was like an anti-lawyer; giving her all of the wrong advice.

[@hgfhjhgcvjj6476]

Wild how one detective could handle a murderer going through a psychotic episode but the other one couldn't handle a deaf person using their hands

[@craigcasillas7200]

Guy is a d-bag trying to be something he obviously not

[@gyufrtsgftrs436jjg]

💯

[@Megan-1017]

Seriously. Like wtf

[@lisasueroyer]

​@@tripleheadedmonkey6613 couldn't have said it better. I'm so pissed at how he mistreated her, and how he mistreated her disability. Definitely should NEVER lead an investigation, nor especially ever train a new detective 🤬🤬🤬

[@manda_mae6120]

It shows you clearly she’s much better at her job than the male detective. She handled her end amazingly. He was so rude to Kelsey. I am proud she stuck up for herself when she said “ I don’t like you interrupting me.” She had a hard enough time with her hearing impairment when he was hounding her while being so rude..As far as Jeffery I think he should have been committed to a psychiatric hospital style mixed with a prison type environment so he was incarcerated but where they were equipped to handle his care. He clearly has many issues that need addressed.

[@penelope.celery]

If you are guilty you want an Attorney. If you are innocent then you DEFINITELY want an attorney. This case is a great example.

[@Janary08]

Definitely NEED!

[@DurzoBlunts]

Yep

[@veganmermaidyogi3299]

well said

[@davidcopperfield-notthemag397]

Note to self: NEVER talk to a policeman. Immediately demand an attorney.

[@mandisunshinez]

Correct. Everytime. No matter what.

[@Todd-lt2jy]

@@mandisunshinezmost the time but thats not always true, Ive bullshitted my way out of felony charges twice, walked out of the interrogation room and slept in my own bed both times

[@sarahjones5136]

Always

[@johnking6067]

Note to self don't ever brutally shoot and kill two kids

[@dumbstupid5065]

Always. Even if you are 100% certain you are not guilty of any crime. Even if they try and trick you into talking by saying demanding an attorney first makes you appear more guilty. It doesn't. It's your right under the same laws they are trying to accuse you of breaking. Never talk until you have an attorney on your side present.

[@AChickAndADuck]

I know when I’m super upset someone condescendingly tells me “calm down, I don’t need your hands, I don’t need all that,” I always instantly calm down and feel like sharing secrets with them.

[@wavyremix]

Yeah true. And it's not at all frustrating or manipulative to threaten leaving the room with phantom evidence that incriminates you or a loved one. Police interrogators are just great people.

[@bkpk4hisapplesauce]

LMAOOOOOO

[@Swnsasy]

Right! I cannot stand to be told to calm down like that.. Now I'm just going to REALLY go TF off! 😂

[@JB-kg1zv]

@@wavyremix Glad to see comments like this after the countless blowies everyone gives to detectives in these types of videos. We need detectives of course but it doesn't mean that this type of job isnt a magnet for self aggrandizing piece of shit people who get a thrill about being the one to needle people and watch them squrim happy to be the ones to ruin peoples lives. Funny how they get so mad when suspects lie when all they do is lie. I just wish once a perp would be smartass after they tell them "we have all this evidence we know everything" and just say "well I guess you don't need me for me anything then fuckhead LAWYER"

[@ladywiddi7403]

😂

[@sethwaggoner6497]

The detective continually condescending to the deaf girl and repeatedly calling her deceptive and disrespectful is the worst possible way to deal with a deaf person. The detective gets an "F."

[@nfaisnfgay]

WAA WAAA DETECTIVE WAS MEAN TO A WITTLE MURDERER WAA WAA (Ya’ll took the bait so hard lmfao) (Ya’ll STILL taking this bait? 😂)

[@cousinokri]

@@nfaisnfgay she didn't killl anyone, wtf? did you watch the video?

[@trishholloway1406]

@@nfaisnfgay she didn’t kill anyone but okay

[@patrickbateman773]

I got the reference my g 😉

[@susiefoxy8130]

I think she is being deceptive, at 38.00 she says about how he held a gun at someone, but at the beginning when asked about weapons she denies he’s ever had a gun, police missed that imo!

[@luckyclndy]

The interrogation of Kelsey just shows how many innocent ppl are in prison now.

[@Tony-hn8qy]

Not too many.

[@maracuyamal]

@@Tony-hn8qy even one or two is too many

[@Eatallorwood]

I was thinking the same. I thought u had the right to withdraw consent

[@Suisfonia]

@@maracuyamal We saw what happened when one of the states decided to let *everyone* out because of one innocent person, it lead to an increase in crime and many of the people they let out were right back in prison, after having committed *new* crimes and thus causing harm to the public. Heck, we have a particular person that is innocent sitting in prison right now, who got shafted in trial after a Judge *refused* to let new evidence show that he was innocent, and a Jury that was stacked against him. At the end of the day, no system is perfect; but that is not a reason to let the criminals out due to one innocent person (not saying you said that, but I have seen people say precisely that)

[@TinFoilCat90]

She wasn't innocent so to speak. Had she gotten her bf mental health help rather than trying to "help him" or rather keep him with her this never would have happened. Insecure girl had a huge part in what happened imo

[@deneeblstmama1128]

Telling a deaf person “I don’t need your hands”…what a piece!!! Hopefully this guy doesn’t have a job anymore!

[@ThrupleQuashimodo]

Dude is a scumbag

[@Pixanxious]

From what I understand, he no longer works as a detective for this department. Can’t say for sure if he moved to another tho. Definitely agree he SHOULD NOT be a detective or in any profession where you need even the slightest bit of empathy

[@hhorror]

@@Pixanxious pretty standard for disgraced law enforcement to just move to the next county over and get rehired, so odds are that he's still doing the same old shit a few miles away. good to hear he doesn't work for this dept anymore though. what a turd.

[@the5arge438]

The best part of THIS particular video is how EWU completely picked apart the terrible job the male detective did. We've seen good ones and bad ones, this guy is freakin' piss poor.

[@sofrik9715]

@Tech bro man i dont think you should be bragging about that dude

[@m0v3n0wthinkl8r]

@Tech hiding something?

[@Fishofftheperc30]

@Tech um 😬

[@daniellewebb7697]

​@Tech excuse me?!

[@wenisdead6829]

@Tech obvious bait is obvious

[@Mia-nw8sw]

The way he's like "I don't need your hands" but yet waves his own hands around when talking and isn't even hard of hearing. Honestly the audacity of some people.

[@GeeEee75]

I'm not deaf or even hard of hearing, but I almost always use my hands when speaking, exactly like she did. Plenty of people do. Just observe any Italian talking (stereotype, but true 😄).

[@TheeEnglishKnight]

@@GeeEee75 i mean, shaming someone for moving their hands because of a disability and someone getting shamed for moving their hands just because thats what they do are completely different. ableism.

[@LaJefa691]

That police officer talking to the deaf girl is so disrespectful and should never interrogate anyone ever again. He needs to be retrained asap!!

[@nancyadamson286]

Sorry, I think the detective is so narcissistic and such a BULLY that retraining would be a waste of time. FIRE HIM!!!

[@madmanuel001]

Retrained preferably as a rubber dog shit inspector in taiwan.

[@DsgSleazy]

@@nancyadamson286 He shouldn't be fired, that's insane considering he was being mean and stupid, but he 100% needs to be sat tf down and retraiend before he's put on a case where his stupidity could actually be detrimental.

[@icedcoffee8561]

Fired

[@icedcoffee8561]

​@@DsgSleazyhe was trained before, that obviously failed. This guy does not have the brains to be a cop, as low as that bar is!

[@Lou-pole]

My brother has schizophrenia he used to hear voices and see things ….I’d come home and he’d be in full blown arguments with no one, it was so scary, a few times I thought he had someone in the room with him but he didn’t. It took me three years to get mental health to take it seriously ..and he was medicated against his will. Three years it’s been since he’s been on his meds and he’s like a new man, he still has some moments of delusion but they don’t control his life anymore

[@TheBaumcm]

It’s a really crappy and insidious disorder. From what I understand, it is partially caused in the center of the brain that syncs up what we hear and see (we technically see before we hear things) and ties it all together in memory so we know it’s a recalled event rather than a current event. Bad a guy, a few years ahead, diagnosed. Biggest teddy bear before but some real difficulties after.

[@hellokittyfifi]

my uncle had schizophrenia and then served in the vietnam war. after that he had totally lost it and on one instance aimed a shotgun at my father. today he is not doing amazing but definitely better than he was. he cant live by himself (i believe due to other mental/physical health complications) but his 6 surviving siblings meet up with him every weekend.

[@AmyLeeAngelLove]

Kelsey's detective should be fired. He was pissing me off too. He is HORRIBLE at his job. I can only imagine how many people were wrongly accused because of him. The police department should definitely look into it.

[@kristinastan6939]

Yes.

[@plop1085]

The moment she asks to her mom "You're scared for me ?" after having been pushed to her limits by an incompetent "detective" was heartbreaking. I hope she's better now.

[@Wana86Wana]

I AGREE 💯

[@user-bz7fg1pk4lbo7]

It's all part of a game. He did it on purpose.

[@Skank_and_Gutterboy]

It's Roswell, GA. This is the same department that the "coin-flip" cops were fired out of. It's also the same department where a cop committed police-torture against a 13 year old suspected of driving a stolen golf cart. It's also the same department where a cop sat in his car behind local businesses and refused to respond to calls. In one case, a woman a block away was having a medical emergency, luckily a cop a couple miles away got there in time and saved her. This department is a hot mess, this video throws another log on that fire.

[@leonajames5517]

Kelsey is the PERFECT example of NEVER and I mean NEVER speak without a lawyer present.

[@deedeeturner6577]

Omg I always say this and someone came for me on another video for saying this. I knew the person was clearly guilty but we have amendments for a reason. We need to exercise our rights no matter what.

[@FakeF8X]

It’s nobody but her fault she’s stupid🤦🏻‍♂️😂😂

[@000claw]

Her mom was doing as much work as the investigator, she couldnt shut up

[@swingshift.]

@@000claw yes poor girl her mom was an idiot telling her to give her phone up and ...

[@ColinZimmermann]

Amen to that!

[@MrZachary111]

And this is yet another example of why no one should ever speak to any law enforcement officer without a lawyer. Ever.

[@vulspix]

the detective should be fired, pushing an innocent person into having a panic attack because you can't do your job profiling correctly is BEYOND humane.

[@mime514]

I think you wanted to say inhumane, but is agree 100% with what you said. Someone commented that he was fired/left his job in 2022, so at least he can’t botch another interrogation again

[@user-rw6tm8hx4g]

​@@mime514I think you wanted to say yes.

[@vulspix]

@@mime514 Beyond definition: At or on the further side, further away, at a greater distance. Meaning this is nowhere near humane, reading comprehension.

[@vulspix]

@@mime514 I am very thankful he was fired or left, thank you for this info

[@scharger1691]

​@@vulspixdude shut the fuck up with the pretentious ass grammar policing, humane and inhumane both work here

[@gemmaprocter6430]

"I don't need your hands" sent my rage levels soaring 🤬. What a cruel man. She's deaf and is struggling to communicate, whilst being unceasingly interrupted by him. Big fail of a Detective.

[@2TONKA]

Chillll

[@amandalockhart2454]

Same! I want to punch him in the mouth! Even if she wasn't hearing impaired, her innocence is obvious and this level of disrespect is how false confessions are forced. This type of detective makes me sick.

[@mint0zs]

@@2TONKA no

[@gemmaprocter6430]

@Dale Gribble She's put on an act, for her entire life, pretending to be deaf? Get a grip ableist.

[@ryanschalizki1247]

Right I was like "well shit Sherlock Holmes the hands are how she communicates how dumb....

[@craftyink70]

That detective who said "i don't need your hands" needs sacking 🤬🤬🤬

[@shaneconner5659]

I wouldn't go so far to say he needs to be fired. He's probably a very good officer, but clearly needs some additional training on interrogating techniques and communicating with impaired people.

[@cc1drt]

she barely used her hands while showing signs of lying at the very beginning of the interview. cringe “outrage” doesnt mean you know what you’re doing or morally superior

[@65avo65]

@@shaneconner5659if he behaves this way to this girl, I don’t trust how he behaves to others that he’s view as less seemly. He needs to go. Cops need to have higher bars to pass than most professions.

[@khbgkh]

@@shaneconner5659in what way is he “probably good?”

[@Sarge084]

​@@shaneconner5659 Nah, he's beyond *additional* training, he should be reassigned to issuing tickets for parking violations.

[@kelsie_kataklysm7604]

i was in the mental hospital for depression once and roomed with a woman my age (mid 20’s) and it was very obvious she had trauma induced schizophrenia. she had a terrible home life that trapped her physically and mentally and was being chronically abused, she lived in the hospital practically. anyway, when jeffery was talking to himself in that manner of arguing and swapping moods, it reminded me a lot of her hallucinatory reactions. so personally, he doesn’t seem to me like he’s faking but i’m not a doctor. the whole case is sad in all ways.

[@chrystaltemple4818]

That cop was very rude to her. She’s a witness, not a suspect. He’s treating her like she’s done something wrong. She should have walked out.

[@joshualuke7003]

When the teenage girl is forthrightly like 'I don't appreciate you interrupting me' and the grown man's response is an immature *and entirely inaccurate* 'I don't appreciate your deceptions' I can't even. What a dumpster fire of a job he did.

[@sharpedge3355]

Funny enough when a true psycho enters the room, they dance around in circles until all viewers wanna puke.

[@annacarter6559]

there was actually evidence later that she was being deceptive

[@darkodom]

@@annacarter6559 While true, he was still doing a horrible job handling her.

[@KirstenlyArt]

i also really hate that he said "i don't need your hands" when she was using her hands more to emphasize more things... she has a hearing impairment you ableist fuck. Even if shes being dishonest or shes guilty, its still horrible. He is the worst detective I have seen so far.

[@CindyLT1972]

He needed to have his ass kicked.

[@valeriagourgues3179]

This interrogation should be shown to future detectives as a perfect example of what NOT to do in an interrogation

[@jeanbeans7926]

Exactly, I feel terrible for this young woman. And wth don't they teach about mental illness in highschool. Young people should understand they can not help a person who is this ill. And that when people go off medications they need to notify next of kin, especially if the ill person tends toward violence.

[@ggall001]

Absolutely right! How is that bald detective a detective??? He strikes me as one of those evil detectives that try to elicit false confessions.😢

[@jacobweaver4523]

Not only do I feel bad for her but it's also horrible for the investigation. She's a young girl who isn't mature enough to just say I told you the truth and I'm done repeating myself. Not only do you not have to voluntarily answer questions but you sure as hell don't have to submit to badgering. Beyond pointlessly berating a decent young person he's also conducting a horrible interview. He got no useful information and anything she did say would be useless when a jury sees that interview. I sure as hell wouldn't find her guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. I'd just see a scared kid trying her best in the face of a bully. This is also how decent people grow to hate police. That poor girl will struggle to trust authorities forever. Edit: for clarity I have many cop friends I don't hate police. This kind of stuff hurts good police like the ones I know and their relationship with good citizens.

[@judys5767]

@@jeanbeans7926 Perhaps mental illness first should be addressed by the parents and not blamed on the high school.

[@genesishandboards]

Ya this was one of the worst detectives I've seen from watching a load of these. Honestly she needed council to stop his bs. I would have walked tf out of there if was her. But I understand she was scared shitless and had nothing to hide. I feel so bad for her. The lady detective would have been better to talk with her.

[@artastic_friend]

As a hearing person who has a lot of deaf and HOH friends, seeing the investigator who was interrogating Kelsey absolutely disgusts me. He has absolutely no knowledge of how to be respectful of deaf people, and he is exactly the kind of person that makes this world so much harder to live in for my friends.. They should have gotten a different person to talk to her, and he had better gone off and taken a class about treating people with respect.😡😡

[@kryatme7833]

Also with the whole "Don't need your hands" comment, just after she was signing how he (the Murderer) was closing up on her. Her hands pinch in the "closing' aspect. He's a freaking ass.

[@mysterious_bi_one]

i am HOH and it made me furious to see that man talk to her like that and hear him say I don't need your hands acting like she's the suspect when she wasn't

[@icedcoffee8561]

Unfortunately, they don't have a class for that.

[@thomasm5714]

Poor Kelsey. She is so clearly a genuinely good and nice person. To see her treated so callously and rudely, to see her hearing impairment so cruelly mocked by someone acting in a "professional" rôle - it's difficult to watch.

[@byhislove]

a lot of people pick on good people, it provides them with power and control. I'd hate to be his wife!

[@Rythen2]

The good news, for anyone wondering, is that Andrew Kirk (the guy that interrogated Kelsey) no longer works as a detective. Looks like he left around 2022.

[@maryjanerx]

This makes me happy!!!

[@rhwus]

should've fired him but I'm glad he doesn't work in that profession anymore. completely outrageous 😡

[@conradscroggins2841]

... Not soon enough ...

[@annared2000]

Most likely means he just went to a different department…people like this always just move w no repercussions

[@AM-gp5wz]

No one was wondering

[@danielalvarez3499]

The detective says, “They sent me to all these fancy schools” and “I’ve been doing this for a long time.” Then completely fails the interview 😂😂😂

[@jenniferrollin5777]

He needs to go *back* to those "fancy" schools.

[@myronmosley2167]

Yea that detective is a complete clown. What a douche. Hopefully the department saw this and removed him from interrogating people, because if he’s been doing this for years I’m sure he’s botched investigations by talking to people like this.

[@_JustJoe]

Lmao

[@_JustJoe]

I feel so bad for Kelsey, her life was falling apart and she didn't even know it yet, then this dumbass detective treats her horribly. And her being Deaf definitely played a part in how she was treated, infuriating.

[@entity5279]

funny thing ive noticed a lot of dogshit interrogators say the same thing

[@xanthus8699]

A schizophrenic taking significant amounts of pain killers is a terrible combination.

[@cierahowell8653]

Tell the deaf girl “I don’t need your hands, I don’t need all that, we are just talking.” Is gonna look great in court on that officer. They should play this interview as a what not to do 🎉

[@hotfishfromsharktale]

"your culpable and accountable" 'thank you' this really did it for me. That man literally witnessed the language barrier and I feel like he ran with it.

[@marychamberlain9559]

I think Kelsey heard the word "capable " that's why the thank you. That Detective was beyond horrible

[@sueburgess7248]

Kelsey was being sarcastic when she said "Thank you".

[@shirandawilliams]

​@@sueburgess7248 no she wasn't you could tell in her tone that she was being serious

[@shelbybayer200]

​@@sueburgess7248 No sarcasm

[@shelbybayer200]

The Detective was never told about her Disability at the time

[@jaym.4611]

The cop who interrogated Kelsey is a perfect example of why you should never talk to law enforcement. You're guilty until proven innocent.

[@TheSouthernLady777]

Exactly. It's obvious he has very little patience or understanding. He is stressed and ready to go. He has underlying issues with anger and probably cannot stand his wife.. or life, for that matter.

[@T6706K]

He should be fired.

[@StephanieVaughan-tf9ug]

Agreed 💯💯

[@null_nihility]

I don't know why you are posting this as some sort of grand revelation. No shit everyone is guilty until proven innocent, that is quite literally how detective work, well, works.

[@raafmaat]

to be fair to the interogator, kelsey WAS hiding info! she was hiding the info of him being psycho, being off meds since a few weeks and that she had to grab a knife from him because she was afraid he would harm people and stuff like that, she was actively "helping" him to get off his meds and enabling him by not interfering when he was brandishing a knife, she just took the knife and did nothing to further stop him from attemting again.. I think she got off because of a plea deal where she had to testify or something, cause to me it feels like by enabling him, she is at least partly to blame

[@jenna_jenna_jenna]

My cousin is schizophrenic and it is the hardest mental illness to treat. They either take the medicine and then once they feel better, they stop, OR they think it’s poison and refuse it. I’ve had to mourn the loss of who he was before the disease took him. The kid I grew up with is gone.

[@bobbyhill1013]

He’s faking.

[@jenna_jenna_jenna]

@@bobbyhill1013 don’t know who you’re referring to, but I’m willing to bet you’re not in any position to be making medical diagnoses.

[@bobbyhill1013]

@@jenna_jenna_jenna you’d lose money on that wager. The murderer in this video is exaggerating his condition. He is playing full blown crazy to reduce the sentence from prison to mental care. If the pretend man who told him to kill is the reason he killed. Why did he sexually assault the girl he killed? He knew he fucked up, getting caught and played his condition up as much as he could.

[@jenna_jenna_jenna]

@@bobbyhill1013 are you a medical professional?

[@bobbyhill1013]

@@jenna_jenna_jenna Medical profession? No. I am however offering my professional psychiatric diagnosis.

[@brendasnow8255]

I used to volunteer with an agency that helped poor and homeless people in various ways. One day, a handsome, well-dressed 19-year-old man told me that when he looked at people (probably including me), he saw them riddled with bullet holes, or stabbed. It scared him badly. That’s schizophrenia.

[@heatonheaton8850]

This is horrifically heart breaking. The interrogator was absolutely out of line. "Calm down. You're up here and i need you down here." "I dont need all this with the hands" and after witnessing the clear language barrier and not reevaluating his method... Shut her down multiple times... He's horrible at his job. This was such a sad case.

[@raider7829]

I almost cried for her. That was dispicable

[@katiemoore1703]

I hope he got reprimanded at the very least cause I agree completely out of line with her.

[@marycanfield8654]

😢

[@thornofsociety6857]

He definitely was not the appropriate officer for the interview, hope he got fired.

[@Thebeezzkneezz.]

​@raider7829 I did cry for her, it literally felt like I was watching someone be mentally abused. I remember so many times begging to be belived even when I did nothing wrong and my step dad not believing me. Which lead to me being a people pleaser and an overly apologetic person That poor girl deserved so much better, I hope she can sue for emotional distress / being ableist towards a psychical disability!!

[@jameshenderson7607]

This is devastating to watch. A young man in clear psychotic distress, a young woman being honest but yet still being disrespected without understanding her rights, a detective that needs more empathy and training, and two dead teenagers. Yeah, this world has plenty of despair to pass around.

[@nightshadegatito]

@@simulationkoyo Edit: I agreed at first, but after seeing more I can see what EWU was getting at. As long as mental illness never excuses a person from being placed behind bars forever for killing people, I’m good with it. I’m ok with euthanizing the mentally ill who commit murder.

[@thesehandsart]

One million percent spot on

[@devinddst7467]

​@@simulationkoyoAre you bright jn the head? Do you know what what is schizophrenia is? Cuz you did a shit job at understanding. I rather have him go to a psychward than jail no matter if he's lieing or not. He won't get out in shit. No matter if he's crazy or not. But if he's actually faking it all he won't make it in there its worse than a regular prison. And if he's crazy than he will get some help

[@jordanhicks5131]

My cousin worked the case, this kid was faking, he's no more crazy than you or I, he's just a monster

[@will5023]

@@jordanhicks5131 except you're lying and the medical professionals disagree.

[@gaptooth829]

I live in a small community close to Roswell and I remember when this happened. I was 10 years old when this took place, and we lived not far from the Publix where the teens were killed. Ever since my parents never allowed me or any of my siblings to go into the store or shopping center. Even now at 18 I still avoid that area because of the sense of dread it brings me. The murder of Natalie and Carter has left an enormous impact on our community but at least the murderer has been put away so he can no longer hurt anyone else.

[@dawncraig3340]

I love how you've pointed out so many issues with the detective with Kelsey. I wonder if her palms up jester was because she was feeling unsure because she was being truthful and wasn't believed.

[@TheBaumcm]

This is also seen as an entreaty to understanding, not uncertainty. Palms up and gesturing out is like I’m showing you my cards. And her looking at him to see if he believes her later is because he has said he didn’t believe her.

[@glitchysquid1137]

The fact that Kelsey was able to deduct the interrogators intentions with ZERO training and under extreme distress WITH a disability proves that she would be 10x better at the interrogators job.

[@Sinsteel]

Deduce*

[@alvarorojas225]

@@Sinsteel thank you for your service

[@ChaosHusky]

But not so good at seeing the bad side of her husband and "can help him".. Nope. You can't. Leave it to professionals..

[@littilwood]

I about laughed out loud when the idiot detective tried to flip that deduction on her. "How did you know it's about those killings? AHA! He DID tell you!"

[@Ms.Prairie]

@@chemicalfrankie1030 lmao amen!! Praying for her. She tried so hard in all of this.

[@kimquinn7728]

This detective is just gaslighting her left and right! "I know you're lying." The quickest way to shut someone off who has been telling you the truth as well as they can. Where does she go from there? Make things up in order to say what he wants to hear? He should be fired.

[@noahmac9231]

Out of all of these crazy videos these guys do, Kelsey’s interrogation and break down has been one of the most upsetting things

[@Parasyte316]

Kelsey’s mom is proof that your parents aren’t always your best ally in these situations, your lawyer is. Just cause you’re innocent doesn’t mean you shouldn’t lawyer up. The law is confusing to the average person which is why we get someone who’s trained in it to help us.

[@GaslightingIsEvil]

Exactly. Otherwise what's the point of having lawyers and then having to pay to do university degrees if understanding the law and rights was so simple? Make use of the resources you have a right to, the interrogators wouldn't have spoken to Kelsey like that if a lawyer was present

[@tyingagreement]

Kelsey's mom is proof that single women don't always make good choices. Especially, choices regarding children.

[@littleredrose6254]

Yes, they help you and they help themselves too. Have you checked the average hourly rate they charge a client?

[@tubro007]

@@littleredrose6254 No average man or even police officer type income can afford a criminal defense lawyer. The only option is the free public defense lawyer with a hundred to many clients at any given moment leaving their client advised to take a plea deal else just sitting there while the judge sentences the accused.

[@GaslightingIsEvil]

@@littleredrose6254 there's legal aid to help pay and it exists because everyone has the right to have a lawyer. It's essentially a case of lawyers fighting lawyers/police rather than justice and truth

[@Hapnote]

Detective Baldspot was needlessly cruel and rude. His one and only tactic was to nonstop accuse Kelsey of lying, which is just embarrassing especially after he told her that he's been doing this sort of work for years.

[@CNNBlackmailSupport]

It's kind of funny how the 1st thing you do is mock somebody's appearance because you don't like them. Isnt that hilarious? You are what you pretend to hate. Lol.

[@Hapnote]

@@CNNBlackmailSupport I didn't criticize him for making fun of Kelsey's appearance so I'm not sure why you think I'm being hypocritical

[@daetonspicer7728]

IM DYING DETECTIVE BALD SPOT BROOOOO

[@CNNBlackmailSupport]

@@Hapnote You thought it would be fine to make fun of her looks? Weird flex.

[@DoublePaprika]

​@@CNNBlackmailSupport Do you have a bald spot?

[@idonhadenuff5979]

Americans with Disabilities Advocates (ADA) should file a suit on the detective on Kelsey’s behalf. He is disgusting.

[@jessicacuomo5646]

Question: If someone is clearly having a psychotic break, is it legal to question them? Wouldn't a defense attorney say that the person was not in a sane state of mind? Like what if someone falsely admits to a crime?

[@ladyoftudor6812]

Paralegal here! I’ve read several cases and it just seems it’s such a weird grey area of this and state dependant. Regardless under an umbrella of a statue, even if the defendant is in poor mental or physical health or even intoxicated, a court won’t find any confession involuntary unless there is some evidence (does not mean there won’t be ppl to try to gather any sort of evidence to prove) that the suspect’s thinking is impaired. Merely being on drugs or suffering from physical or mental problems isn’t enough.. the condition must affect the defendant’s ability to think clearly. However, the court will consider the defendant’s physical and mental state and any use of intoxicating substances in deciding whether the defendant exercised free will in confessing. Legally, the accused cannot be interrogated/interviewed until they’re fully coherent. That’s the proper way. But there has been a lot of cases of forced and involuntary confessions to whatever they’re being accused of. But that is opening Pandora’s box and changing topics entirely.

[@jessicacuomo5646]

@ladyoftudor6812 thank you!

[@1GINAMARIE]

​@@ladyoftudor6812I Guess things have changed over the years. I'm 63 and I know that it was illegal to interrogate anyone who seemed as if they had a mental problem. This guy clearly has a severe mental problem. The officers would bring in a psychologist to test the affected person which would indicate weather to go forward with the interrogation WITH FAMILY AND LAWYER PRESENT or halt the meeting until further mental testing.

[@Plemp.]

@@1GINAMARIE and they just put him for life in prison wothout parole. Ridiculous. I really feel sorry for the dude. Should spend time in a mental hospital where he is being cared for in a humane way.

[@elizabethvos1380]

As a Psych nurse, I can tell you this man was NOT in a state of psychosis. Nothing about his presentation points to psychosis, which is maddening cuz the investigators fell for it. He definitely presents more as a raging personality disorder - which would be in line with his traumatic childhood. The "shakes" the "confusion," the over exaggerated displays of anxiety are all done in an attempt to deceive - only thing that he was anxious about in that interrogation was being caught.

[@sharlinsalian8310]

My mom is deaf. I was just seething with anger with the interrogator! So disgustedly rude. If there is one thing I will take away from any of these videos, its to always ask for a lawyer.

[@sapshootervt]

Better yet know your natural rights.

[@user-om2xv4lq3s]

​@@sapshootervtPRAY you get &/0r have a good Lawyer or your screwed & NOT in a way you'll enjoy!!

[@KrivTheKraken]

How the detective treated Kelsey was really fucking cruel honestly.

[@herekongato]

Ikr unprofessional af

[@Ryan-mq2mi]

He was an idiot, straight up. I don't think he even knew what he was doing or how it was perceived. He clearly wasnt picking up on anything that we could see. He says hes been doing this for years, which is just a huge facepalm. He needs to immediately be reassigned, retired, or intensely retrained.

[@Cheshire_nova]

Literally he seems like such a dick :( Poor Kelsey

[@richcheckmaker9789]

Also unprofessional and bad investigating.

[@madeleine9907]

He was horrible 😮

[@tyraohara156]

Worked at a University Hospital as a RN in psych department. A large % of our patients were brought in by police, in an acute psychotic episode. About 70% of our patients were then...after several weeks transferred to the state psychiatric hospital. They were either a danger to themselves or others!!! It is very common for psychotic patients to stop taking there meds! Its called anosogenisia😮 That was the scariest, and most heartbreaking job Ive ever had!

[@RollTide24-7]

To the EWU Crew I just wanna say thank you so much for ALL you do for your audience. The commentary is TOP notch! I'm talking there is NO ONE better! The details of the case. Just everything with your reports are absolutely amazing and I personally appreciate ALL the hard work put into your stories/reports. Godspeed EWU CREW!

[@yep3489]

When Kelsey’s interrogator came into the room he immediately announced that he had taken multiple classes and was an expert I knew she was in trouble because only a bad one with low self-esteem would feel the need to declare his “abilities” What a perfect example of how not to speak to a hearing impaired person. And her Mother, OMG!!!

[@aleisaetheridge8682]

Exactly , it was so very very sad and I felt terrible for her but Jeffrey , a monster and not suffering a psychotic break but a big fake .

[@jollyrancherchick]

Well, to be fair, she was lying about him having displayed any behaviors that shocked her. As terrible as his approach was, he wasn't too off when reading her.

[@marlenet5115]

The detective that interviewed Kelsey should have been taken off that case, and the lady that interviewed her husband should have been there instead. If the male detective was so schooled in doing interviews, why was he so horrible at it? 🤨🤔🙄

[@Axelsmom]

I also am hearing impaired. It is very difficult to communicate when you can’t hear what is being said. Very, very stressful. I really felt bad for her.

[@serjie1]

I hope that detective didn't spend much on all those fancy schools.

[@The65chevelle]

Kelsey’s interrogation was BRUTAL. Happy to see that guy isn’t a interrogator anymore.

[@Dh-rp7gg]

So glad but how did you get that info

[@deannamarshall8894]

Good to hear that.

[@jazzabighits4473]

@@Dh-rp7gg He made it up to get likes

[@SaikiKFann]

​@@Dh-rp7gg google?

[@crazyluigi6664]

Hey Ryan. Neat to see you around here also.

[@barbaram3627]

They took advantage of her mother by not being in the room with Kelsey. They knew Kelsey has hearing issues, this detective needs to be retrained.

[@cindypereira5194]

This is the horrible disease of schizophrenia. While most don’t kill people, the delusions and hallucinations torment the ones afflicted. Sad for all involved.

[@deanstyles7311]

As someone who’s hearing impaired I’m very upset with how the detective handled the situation. We struggle so hard to even understand what people are saying to us and keep up with a conversation, and it is a literal nightmare to me to imagine that being used against me to accuse me of doing something wrong. I hope she’s ok now.

[@My2up2downCastle]

Spot on.....i'm deaf in my left ear. It's never taken seriously....

[@sherrienale9974]

What I find infuriating is that some people treat a hearing impaired person as being dumb as well..What ignorance!

[@JohnnyNoPockets]

Yeah, my mom is hard of hearing and that type of treatment from people makes my blood boil. Those that don't have someone in their life who struggles with hearing my be shocked to know how weirdly nasty people can be about it, often treating them like their stupid just for struggling to hear.

[@surrealsteph]

I have hearing problems and seeing that detective being so rude and talking down to her upset me very much, as well! It’s very difficult for me to understand what people are saying to me, and having someone talk at me that way would confuse and upset me so much I wouldn’t be able to continue speaking with them!

[@wendysimmons5906]

Same hear.its a daily struggle and watching it makes me sad and frustrated for all who suffer from hearing problems.

[@DerryPublicRadio]

I love that fact that you guys don't shy away from calling out the negatives in their technique. The last few I watched the interrogations were so solid and they made them look easy. Here is a great showing that it's more than the formula, the interrogator has to be able to adjust when they realize they are wrong. Or have enough humility to consider they could be hinging their theory on a bad read. Terrific work to the EWU team!

[@wavyremix]

We don't nearly see enough bad interrogations on KZbin. It's pretty easy to watch a clean, hindsight play-by-play, but it's not the norm in this profession. Usually it's very complicated with numerous suspects, and they bulldoze their way over multiple peoples' rights without impunity on their way to the final suspect. Once they like you for something, they will use every dirty trick in the book, often getting access to and abusing the private materials of well-meaning people. It's honestly a disgusting profession.

[@DerryPublicRadio]

@@wavyremix I wonder what we'd learn from dissecting the confessions of people who were later proven innocent.

[@brendafayepatten3312]

Always treat everyone with some kind of love and respect, if you expect cooperation.

[@christianskinner6434]

Is no one else going to mention the video shows a Glock as an 'actual case photo' but Jeffrey's grandfather reported a Sig Sauer stolen? And claiming that "the description of that gun matched the one Jeffrey claimed to find" is ridiculous when he couldn't even clearly articulate whether it was a handgun or long gun, only that it was black.

[@RandyBurgertime]

Yeah, my guess is that they didn't actually have a photo and mistakenly left a placeholder in from before they found out. That, or they just lied about having the photo period and didn't realize the brands would be that different, which, for people who often treat cops like batmen, is real weird, given Glocks are super popular cop guns.

[@ChuckThree]

It’s “stock” image dude. You are putting way too much thought into what was a split second editing decision… But congratulations! You, just like anyone else that shoots, can tell the difference between a Glock and literally any other polymer pistol ever lol

[@GeeEee75]

​@ChuckThree An editing decision to label a stock photo as an actual case photo is not a split second thing. Source: I used to make and edit videos as part of my job. The fact that a given person can tell one gun brand from another is neither here nor there.

[@zombiemom6701]

I had a detective talk to me once because someone used my email address to send a creepy email to the mother of a dead child. Wasn’t me, so I was very willing to talk and try to provide any information he needed. Instead he called me a liar and made me cry. I no longer would cooperate with police at all in any way. Doesn’t seem they’re always searching for truth. Just charges for anyone they can.

[@heybri]

damn that must have been traumatic.. your right. they want the easy answer and the bad ones will settle for getting it wrong and possibly ruining an innocent person's life & reputation as they tell themselves they are always right .. I have literally seen cases where DNA exonerates murderers/rapists and the cops still insist they got the right guy.. unfortunately the profession tends to attract some real egomaniacs.. Fortunately, it also attracts some amazing people who save lives every day.. the problem is the whole "blue line" nonsense.. even the best "Good Cops" defend "Bad Cops" most of the time.. It they stopped blindly defending eachother they'd start earning back public support but i don't see that happening anytime.. Many of the fanatical "blue line" departments put the blue line on their cars..the cops tattoo it on themselves and without fail you'll find every cop in those precincts has an "US vs THEM" mindset with the general public.. Not just criminals.. the entire public..

[@hhorror]

nail on the head, homie. they got quotas to fill, and by god, they gon fill 'em.

[@lauramalmquist1242]

Thanks to that second detective with Kelsey, for showing a wonderful example of how to be inefficient, inconsiderate, rude and how to almost always further rile someone up who is already upset. Not to mention the absolute disrespect shown by telling Kelsey to limit her hand use and the MULTIPLE times he disregards and minimizes her feelings, trauma and experiences with Jeffrey and his attempts to end his life.

[@thesportsguy126]

They didnt know she wasn’t involved and she was clearly hiding something

[@4runit654]

You mean being a typical cop. that's what you are describing. the dumbest guy you went to high school with became a cop

[@leihamada4672]

​@@thesportsguy126That's not a good excuse. Oh sorry parents of the victim we didn't know anything so we ignored every procedure and made the suspect shut down. Your kids won't get justice but it's OK because we knew she was lying and we had fun yelling at a suspect. Do the job properly because it's about getting justice not being a bad ass.

[@h0rriphic]

@@leihamada4672EXACTLY! Too many detectives putting their ego and control issues before the investigation. It’s pathetic, sloppy work.

[@laurenmentink7401]

The detective who was with Kelsey should be fired!!!

[@cheesecakeOjaz]

The detective interviewing her is the perfect example of what is wrong with our system. He is in a power struggle over someone who he thinks is less than him, but she's just trying to understand what he's asking and eluding to.

[@JackieOwl94]

In his defense, Roswell had not had any reported violent crimes or murders since at least the year 2000. I’m not surprised the RPD wasn’t used to dealing with violent crimes. It was known as a very safe and wealthy area.

[@caniborrowapencil5160]

Not sure about this particular jurisdiction, but I’ve studied evidence law and this detective is making it really hard for the prosecution to use anything in this interview. A competent defence team could easily get this thrown out of evidence (especially when he tells her to act a certain way, or implying that she won’t get out of the situation unless she confesses). The legal test is generally: if the police obtain a confession that would not have been obtained without the threat or implied threat, then it is void in evidence. Even if she confessed right then and there, it couldn’t be used as evidence in court. *Not legal advice*, just my opinion.

[@guitarhero38633]

​@@JackieOwl94 Either way, it's his literal job to do better. Murders or not.

[@ayylynn2325]

​@@JackieOwl94 That being said, the female detective in this case seemed to have figured out what the conduct should be. My money's on male detective is an incompetent asshole!

[@bill_4615]

He didn't think she was less than him- he knew she was lying to protect a murderer. His job is to get the truth. The woman was lying. It was obvious she knew Jeffrey was crazy and dangerous. The detective is exactly what is RIGHT with our system. He is a man doing his job- making liars and criminals fess up. She knew everything but thinks she and Jeffrey are more important than everyone else. She knew what the detective was asking- she just doesn't want to admit her role in it and her foreknowledge.

[@esthersmith9399]

I am furious with this rude, condescending, narcissistic detective. The way he treated this young lady is appalling. He needs fired from his job!!!!!!

[@douglasanderson153]

You needed to be honest with me” FFS, if a person is telling the truth which she appeared to be, all that statement will do is cause anger, distress and heightened emotions. The detective is a a total knob…

[@gracec1665]

It was extremely dismissive and hurtful that Kelsey's interviewer told her, *he didn't want her to use her hands.* He said this while KNOWING she was hard of hearing! What is wrong with that man?

[@gracec1665]

@@hi-dl4kw Hey Bud! The action and reaction is still the same whether she was hard of hearing or deaf. You should know that already!! My uncle was the chairman of the deaf society in our town. I know the difference.

[@Miksmissus]

@hi🙂 ‘Hard of hearing’ is a term that a lot of people use that have hearing impairments, no matter what degree it is. Some people that say they are hard of hearing still use sign or lip reading…whether they hear auditorial tones or not. Hard of hearing doesn’t just mean ‘I have a bit of trouble, speak up please’. The way you interact on the internet would be more tolerable if you knew what you were talking about.

[@cat5281]

@@hi-dl4kw how do you know? did you conduct her audiology tests? have you seen her results? have you attempted to have a conversation with her face to face? no one ever knows the severity of hearing loss.

[@cat5281]

@@Miksmissus I say I'm "deaf/hard of hearing" as I'm deaf in 1 ear and hard of hearing in the other, when I used to say I'm "hard of hearing", people wouldn't always appreciate quite how badly deaf I was until they realised just raising their voices slightly left me looking like a dork staring at them in panic lmao. But 100% rely on lip reading and side rant on lip reading: if you verbally mumble, your lips mumble as well. Cannot understand a word anyone says when they're just mumbling and it is just so infuriating.

[@gracec1665]

@@hi-dl4kw Stop instigating! That matter is over with.

[@Oytruestoryofjim]

Was that detective a real cop, or did he just wander in off the street? I have never seen a more unprofessional or unnecessarily hostile interview.

[@markzelinski4434]

Exactly

[@ozzy_z]

he needs to be retrained at LEAST. it’s embarrassing to the profession.

[@tracy7612]

I've seen worse! Don't talk without a lawyer, period. It's the first line of the Miranda rights, for heaven's sake!

[@rocroca7459]

A$$hQles only complain about cops being hostile when the criminal is White. These dudes could shoot a Black suspect and clowns like you would be looking for ways to justify it.

[@crystalhilliard9656]

Welcome to Ga. It's worse in NC. This so called detective/interrogator is appauling. what was worse, was we all know higher ranking officials and/or co workers were watching this go on and on, and no one intervened, why is that?

[@SOPHIA-ig1ph]

That detective is even starting to frustrate me, and I'm just an outside observer. Her reaction is so relatable, being called a liar when you're not lying is SOOO FRUSTRATING....I'd def react the same way, hand gestures and all... Her mom was def no help. Moral of the story, whether you're innocent or guilty; get an attorney!

[@portallzz]

the first detective omg. the way she cooed and talked to him was so healing. I'm so glad there are people like this out there still, amidst the chaos and evil that is happening.

[@carolpray9816]

This interrogator is awful. He doesn't appear to understand that she is hearing impaired which is why she is louder and using her hands more than others might. I really feel badly for her. She doesn't know what's happening except that he is calling her a liar. He appears to be more of a bully instead of trying to get information from her.

[@mayniac23]

when he said "I don't need your hands" or whatever he said, it truly pissed me off. He has no clue how to interact with someone who is hard of hearing.

[@Tragic_Magic23]

I bet his wife feels like he doesn’t listen 😂

[@bestviolaplayer]

I’m glad EWU points out how he harms his own interrogation with his attitude and behavior

[@ChristianSoldier71]

WARNING!!! Hell is real. We can not hide our sins from God. Is your heart right with God? Jesus Christ loves you and He died for our sins. If you reject Jesus Christ, you will not have everlasting life in Heaven. ACTS 2:38 “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit...

[@whichwayifly9856]

I can’t stand him. When he pulled that ‘I can tell you’re lying because you looked away’ crap, I lost all respect for him. Like, if I had done nothing wrong and they needed my help, I would absolutely need to talk to someone else because this dummy keeps doubling down on his lies 😂

[@raisinbrancereal582]

The detective telling Kelsey "I don't need your hands" was just insane. Bro that's just how we communicate. Even if we don't use ASL, we still use and need hand gestures to effectively communicate, we just tend to be more expressive with our hands. Like all of her "lying" cues are just the result of her not being able to completely hear him. Was he not told that she was HH?? I hope he got some mandatory sensitivity training after that 😐

[@blinkth3dog]

communication is 90% body movement; the cops an idiot

[@shellyrgarcia2205]

However, even more so if we communicate when hard of hearing or deaf.

[@chrislim7615]

lt was hard 2see the detective's lack of understanding?!!She was prob telling the truth but 2him,he seems 2ignore this deafening cry for help*!!!

[@munky342]

​@@chrislim7615 learn to write. It makes communication easier.

[@zhain0]

wait till he meets an Italian (an actual one, not the Americans that claim they are) , they will give him an aneurism

[@NoraMRyan]

I really can’t stand when these officers have no idea what they are doing and treat people horribly so they can feel some sense of power. Its honestly disgusting

[@mlkirkl09]

I have ADHD, PTSD, anxiety and am bipolar. I will rock and shake when my anxiety is high. I also get dizzy and get a headache. I will talk to myself to self soothe.

[@Beckaboo3397]

The lady detective is a great example on how to interrogate someone, whilst the male detective is how not to. I was getting frustrated with him so I can only imagine how Kelsey felt and that isn’t going to get her to answer honestly.

[@the_king_of_undertale]

Yeah same here I just felt so bad for her she was just a kid I don't know why they thought she had anything to do with it when she was obviously innocent and Jeffrey was the murderer she had nothing to do with it Some detective he was

[@KatoKrazy]

BS - questioning him in that state is absurd. He should have been provided a counsellor and a lawyer whether he asked for it or not. He’s clearly not in his right mind.

[@the_king_of_undertale]

@@KatoKrazy well I guess they're both bad at their jobs

[@_SUPERN0VA_]

He was doing his job and he did it right

[@almux4260]

@@_SUPERN0VA_ No he was not, even if she was guilty his approach was wrong

[@MrDeelightful]

So glad you mentioned his wife being hard of hearing and how it affects her outward appearance/actions. People with mental or physical disabilities are often treated in ways that don't agree with us so it's nice to see that emphasized. Always love to see another upload! Thanks EWU!

[@mykidsaresupercute]

The detective's treatment of her was unbelievable! He clearly doesn't know what he's doing. He has no business being a detective.

[@Aceofspades2006]

Oof yes. I’m autistic but I’m really smart (apparently) so people talk differently sometimes to me or just attack me for no reason (not physically) they also sometimes do baby voice….. like tf . And I’m smart as in, im really into psychology and more just general how humans think and how there environment affects them. And so I analyse people to much that I forget that they don’t think like that😭 and they get scared how I know so much about them if I just met them😭, but mentally I’ll people love it😏😎including me bhahaha

[@jennymelo2098]

I didnt catch that right away. Wow. Poor girl. That cop was pretty bad at his job.

[@colorbugoriginals4457]

"ok, i don't need your hands, we're just talking" me: screams in ASL

[@thedeeplabyrinth]

Very respectful

[@chloietabor8043]

Ok the detective with Kelsey pissed me the hell off.

[@Pandoradan]

So we've got one detective pushing a person who's clearly in a psychotic episode until he cracks, and another trying to break a girl with communication difficulties, belittling and disrespecting her. Great job guys.

[@valkyriehutton4556]

The only interrogation I've seen that was worse than Kelsys was the cop who interviewed a man for hours, not noticing he'd been shot in the face twice and had brain damage.

[@LifeSizeNomi]

WHAT!?

[@Minoujill24]

@@LifeSizeNomi It's a famous case...Her name is Ryan Waller. Explore with us have the interview. In short, Waller and his girlfriend were at home, watching and-or sleeping on the couch. And they've been victim of a break-in. Both had been shoot. Her girlfriend died, and he was arrested as a suspect. They interview him for hours, while he was clearly confuse etc... And in pain... In fact, he was a victim and had 2 bullets in his head! ( Sorry for my engrish, i'm a french speaker)

[@Kt-cn2rq]

Yes I remember that one.

[@TheBOG3]

@@Minoujill24*His not her.

[@DoeMeNeek]

@theBOG3, *****so you missed the bit where they said that English is not their first language? How many languages do you speak? How many languages are you able to write in fluently??? How well do you write in french? Wtf mr/mrs/ms Judgy Judgerton...

[@Sam-tq6xr]

Kelsey is literally traumatized by that incompetent and unprofessional investigator. She has every right to sue the hell out of that police station for emotional damage and undue distress.

[@silentnomad84]

stfu she supported a killer and hiding the information

[@03Grunt-arrino]

“Traumatized” by an uncomfortable conversation. Exactly what’s wrong with this world. How about the families of the murdered teens?

[@Sam-tq6xr]

@@03Grunt-arrino here comes a reductionist. She’s not just suspected and therefore proportionately investigated no! She’s straight up being accused of murder and lying about the murder and being threatened with consequences for lying about the murder. That is coercion by way of intimidation. That is deeply distressing and traumatizing for most people hence why some folks breakdown and sign a confession when they are in fact innocent!. So spare me your “uncomfortable conversation” and get real. He was wildly unprofessional and didn’t not conduct a fair interrogation. He treated her like a convicted criminal when she’s just a suspect.

[@samanthahope1316]

@@03Grunt-arrinothey can sue who they feel they need to otherwise shut the FUCK UP. Goddamn. It’s not a competition, more than ONE person can be traumatized at the same time for different reasons.

[@Bulldogxx1000]

Sue them for making her cry? Lol come on man

[@FastEddy396]

The detective interrogating Kelsey should get a new line of work.

[@suehancey8355]

The interrogation of the young lady, by the detective, is absolutely horrific. I am so disturbed by this, I feel sick.

[@fanofthedog]

I love the detective literally yelling "THIS IS A SAFE SPACE"

[@John-fe1pd]

Yeah, that part was great! 😂😂😂

[@nathanaeldavid6238]

Then proceeded to treat her like shit. Typical cop behavior. Every one is criminal.

[@SouthernClover]

​@@nathanaeldavid6238That's not they typical officer behavior. Just stop with that nonsense.

[@nicksmith4884]

@@SouthernCloverit is tho

[@SouthernClover]

@@nicksmith4884 It isn't. There are two officers in this video. You obsess over one and willfully ignore the other based on your perceived bias. As the daughter of a police officer, I can tell you that your views on police officers being mostly bad are complete bs.

[@thelifeofaplussizedesigner2591]

An officer telling a damn near deaf woman to “stop with all the hands” when she’s trying to communicate is crazy to me…why is he in law enforcement 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@erinsmith8670]

Seriously pissed me off! He was the worst!

[@jessiehurley4809]

Definitely not a coincidence that one is a woman and one is a man. And the more understanding, more intelligent detective is the woman. Smh.

[@mindharp]

​@jessiehurley4809 Why are you trying to make this a gender thing, the guy was a piece of shit *human*, not because he was a man. You sound like the inverse of the dumb misogynist redpill guys. Generalizing genders everywhere they can. You even implied there's an intelligence difference in genders. I would hope you would feel gross about that just like you would feel gross if a man claimed "it's no coincidence the man was more intelligent..."

[@sandrakegelmann4878]

Idiotic!!!!

[@carlkemble6600]

you try having a serious conversation while someone flails their hands in your face, see how you like it, sheesh ;p

[@cakestealer5983]

All these people saying he’s faking his episode and yet a lot of his mannerisms seem like exactly how I act when I’m having one.

[@ClaireGreen-wd2gm]

It's hard to know. Most people have never seen a truly crazy person just people "acting crazy"

[@samanthaquinlan4126]

Observe his mannerisms in the cctv footage and the way he stops and starts these apparently involuntary movements he’s lying can’t say that 100% but I’m pretty sure he’s faking it to avoid the consequences. I don’t think Kelsey was lying when she told the detective he’s not an anxious person.

[@TheBaumcm]

@@samanthaquinlan4126if you change the context, it changes the body movements. People use the movies as their basis for a what a “break” looks like but often it is similar to this, weird speech patterns/accents, odd movements, and more. Don’t forget this has been screened by people with mental health specialties

[@ethanwashoe5868]

Could it be possible that you are exaggerating in your “episodes”

[@RobertBakerDunn]

This should be used as how NOT to investigate

[@YonBaBa]

I feel so bad for this girl. She seems like a genuinely good and caring person who was trying to help her boyfriend without fully knowing what she was dealing with. I would imagine this would eat at her for the rest of her life. I hope she finds happiness in her life someday.

[@kellycampbell6962]

I see this too… and in situations like this apparently it’s not right to an average person to help someone like him. When really he needed her in his life but unfortunately his mental condition got the best of him. She had a great heart to care for him.

[@user-om2xv4lq3s]

I pray to my GODS that their spirits go to Heaven!! Hell seems to have frozen over this Spring!! I love & miss my family SO much & have for too long!!

[@hamavery6476]

@@kellycampbell6962 People don't help because people like this can be INSANELY dangerous, as you can see.

[@khbgkh]

@@user-om2xv4lq3smultiple gods and heaven? We just making stuff up now? Old lies not good enough? What?

[@TjnosaurusRex]

@@kellycampbell6962there married tf?? Js bc hes mental disabled doesnt mean he cant be loved personally hypocrit

[@dawn428]

My sister is profoundly deaf, she lip reads & demonstrates every single aspect of a conversation & interacts using hand signals, signs & also waves her arms around. It's how she 'communicates'! Watching this video nearly broke me because this is the way I've communicated with her for 58 years. They should have brought in a more experienced detective who is better able to relate to someone who is deaf 😢

[@error404webpagenotfound]

They should've brought people more able to handle both of them. They were both handled so poorly. She was treated so badly, like he was so rude to her for no reason. I know his job is to be a detective, but it's not to be an absolute a-hole to someone who may or may not have known about their significant others crime. And he has no idea how to interact with someone who's hard of hearing. And I know he killed two people, but for some reason seeing that female detective treat him that way made me feel sorry for him. Putting him in distress like that is only going to mess his head up even more.

[@DrJ-hx7wv]

They're trying to solve a murder. Who gives a damn about her feelings.

[@user-gh5yt6li2u]

@@DrJ-hx7wv the people trying to solve the fucking murder. how the hell are you supposed to get a confession out of someone who doesnt want to talk to you? use common sense.

[@moonlightmelodiesasmr3766]

Thank you for sharing this. My heart absolutely broke for Kelsey. The detective was horrible to her and clearly has to business interviewing anymore.

[@jesuslikedpie]

@@DrJ-hx7wv Yeah, that is foolish. These detectives were dealing with two whiny, crybaby adults. There were two CHILDREN murdered. Who cares about these idiots feelings?

[@jjackaronii]

that interviewer needs to be fired

[@idonhadenuff5979]

I bet you if we do a deep dive into this detective we could uncover an entire closet of skeletons. He’s terrifying.

[@pleasesetmeonfire1166]

This whole case breaks my heart. The picture of the schizophrenia self-help books from Jeffrey’s house, the journal entries logging his decline, Kelsey trying her best to help him, the two innocent victims that had nothing to do with any of it. It’s all just tragic.

[@lollipoplawliet6762]

This is what happens when people cannot get the help they truly need. Not that every schizophrenic is a murder or even violent, but the mind can get super messed up with a disorder like that, especially if they are exposed to such violence. It's absolutely heart shattering and I'm only 10 mins in :(

[@lollipoplawliet6762]

@@kennyevans6197 🙄

[@pleasesetmeonfire1166]

@Kenny Evans You are giving everyone a headache man

[@onyxmoth383]

@@kennyevans6197 shut up.

[@WhiteUnicorn82]

​@Kenny Evans You do have a point, but it doesn't detract from being regarded as tragic. How about "demonic", if witness to the incident, "tragic", in hindsight..?

[@aliciajesperson4376]

I think this interrogation with Kelsey really spells out why I love EWU so much versus any other crime KZbin channel. EWU will actually tell us when a detective is doing a bad job, instead of overlooking it or agreeing with them.

[@maryjanerx]

Exactly!!!

[@b0rd3n]

But make sure you read the half second disclaimer

[@thisbirdhasflown2554]

This!

[@buddhamaster322]

What did he do so wrong? It's just one youtubers opinion of how he thinks a suspect should be interrogated. I think the interrogators did a perfectly fine job and got good results.

[@amberapollyon]

@@b0rd3n pressing that pause button must be hard, huh?

[@TimmyDurden-xt5ms]

My heart goes out to this kid and that horrible disease,but my heart really goes out to the family of the 2 young victims that had their whole life ahead of them

[@KryaDiere]

I knew it was schizophrenia half way through his story. My neighbour had the same thing and at first we thought she was just a psychotic karen but she kept insisting someone was cutting her utilities (power and water), and then ended up targeting my family. She said my cat was shitting in her house (my cat is a 100% indoor cat in the first place and she had a dog...) and that us "kids" were cutting her plants and turning off her power. It escalated to the point she came to knock on our door with a hammer because we "kept harassing her" and "wouldn't leave her alone". We called the cops but they couldn't do anything about it. Her husband just pretended he didn't know anything and he basically came home every night locked the door and never spoke to any of us. She also put down her dog because she had developed diabetes, which was the most insane thing I ever heard. My mom moved us out as soon as we could because the hammer thing really scared her.

[@kjn3005]

He’s accusing her of lying, yet he’s the only one lying 😡 Telling a hearing loss person not to use her hands to express herself is rude!! “I don’t need your hands”😡 Really????😩 Plus he’s interrupting her constantly! And threatening her!!

[@ganjatheninja]

most cops arent good people

[@oguz6244]

The interrogator who questions Kelsey is a complete psychopath!!! 😳 I mean WTF. She is not the one who killed those innocent people and clearly was not aware of the fact that her husband killed them, until that psychopath interrogated her and forced her to confess something which is not the TRUTH!! It reminds me of the witch trials in the Middle Ages. He should be held responsible for devastating a young woman's psychology. 😡

[@AkChiVibes]

Complete asshole. I mean unreal.

[@LauraAsburyRaudenbush-ru7rt]

He behaved like an idiot!

[@MarvinHartmann452]

They always do this. You're noticing more because she's likely innocent, but they always accuse people, especially when they don't have anything against the person they ask questions to. I've seen many of these videos and I often ask myself how many people did nothing wrong but have been convicted because they were tired, nervous, and just mispoke. No wonder there's so many justice miscarriage in the US.

[@Maj_hul]

That detective that interviewed Kelsey is the kind of cop that gets an innocent person locked up. All he did was make negative assumptions and accuse her, he really gave as little consideration to the idea of her being innocent and honest as he possibly could. Scary stuff.

[@bluesmusicandwhatnot2845]

This is just one of many examples of why you should never talk to cops/investigators. Always ask for a lawyer.

[@WhiteUnicorn82]

​@@bluesmusicandwhatnot2845 100% accurate, (in such circumstances).

[@rickyt5179]

He’s doing his job. It’s harder doing it than watching a video from your phone when it’s all done with. Unless you’re the guy that trained the detective..

[@Maj_hul]

@@rickyt5179 he was doing his job poorly

[@rickyt5179]

@@Maj_hul true, because she did end up confessing to her mother, that’s why I said what I said, but yeah he seemed to be very pushy, like he was rushing to get the info out of her instead of taking his time.

[@irgendeinname9256]

Very interesting to finally see the reaction of someone being most likely flasley accused of lying

[@becca933]

I knew that even before she said he had schizophrenia that he did because my ex acted just like this guy. He did hand tics, heard voices. He would yell in the street for no reason. His mind would think things that wasn't happening. He even acted in a childlike manner and use to punch himself in the face. He threatened to delete me off the earth if i left him. He would throw and break things. He called me names. But GOD saved me . Last time i heard he was in the mental hospital.

[@mollyanderson9111]

Kelsey seems like such a sweetheart. It's so sad that she got caught up in all that mess. The whole interview she was incredibly genuine and gave the officer way more leeway than they deserved. He was incredibly disrespectful. She was so obviously innocent. She didn't deserve any of that

[@taylorbug9]

W h a t

[@taylorbug9]

She's partially responsible for the death of 2 teenagers. Regardless of her protests here.

[@ub3rfr3nzy94]

@@taylorbug9 No she's not. Failure to get a loved one put into a mental institution doesn't make you guilty of anything.

[@Remembering-rq6si]

@@taylorbug9 You're may need help yourself if you are serious.

[@zb611]

..

[@haileyoxborrow2777]

My mom is deaf and the way Kelsey is being talked to during this interview is making me absolutely sick to my stomach. The detective refuses to listen to her and then has the balls to say “stop it with your hands”, my blood is boiling. It is so hard for a deaf person to catch everything in a normal conversation anyway, and for him to treat her this way during and INTERROGATION is sick.

[@Monkey_11]

Technically she was just being interviewed, which makes his actions even more infuriating.

[@_JustJoe]

​@Monkey_11 Seriously, what an ass. I hope she's doing well, despite all this trauma.

[@Hezabelle77]

That 'stop with the hands' literally made me gasp! He's oblivious to how detrimental his tactic is because he seems to believe he's really clever.

[@simplyvika9733]

@@user-ns3sx2ee9g people with enough compassion

[@sandraslate7043]

I agree, my son was born partially deaf in both ears. He still struggles to hear even with his hearing aids. This is extremely upsetting to watch!

[@sachashaughnessy7978]

The cops and detectives are never on your side, ALWAYS demand a lawyer in a situation like this. Detectives think they know everything and how everyone should react. I have severe anxiety, especially in confrontational situations and with authority so according to this guy, I’d be guilty 5 minutes in. Unreal. Then telling her to calm down after he keeps telling her she’s lying and being deceptive when she’s not, this guy sucks and sucks at his job.

[@anamatrics4862]

That had to have been horrible for Kelsey. Not to have only the police question you and not to believe you, but then to have your mother whom you trust and expect to be on your side reiterate that same distrust. My heart goes out to her

[@aka_tinalouise]

The detective saying “I went to all the fancy schools” made me laugh out loud. He clearly wasn’t paying attention in those “fancy” classes 😂

[@AshJae]

Yeah what an insecure little man. He’s also delusional it sounds like!

[@p1zd3c]

He was probably the custodian. No offense meant to custodians.

[@bentonrp]

Dang, I never met anyone who went to ALL of the fancy schools...! What a fancy guy...! "I, like, gots all duh dumb-lookin' egghead knowingzes, en sheeeet...!"

[@Sniperboy5551]

When they only have her to interrogate, they try to beat whatever information out of her that they can. Yeah he was pretty rude, but that detective is just doing his job. He’s the classic “bad cop.”

[@YourPeepingTom]

not only that, brother how many schools do you need to go to to learn something? cause most people only go to one 😂

[@themoroseghost]

Super happy that Kelsey was truthful and innocent. I hate seeing a person get pulled into awful events because of the relationship they're in. She seems like a good person. I hope she's doing well.

[@iVolkswagen]

She isnt innocent. She did nothing to get the guy help. She knew full well of his issues but didnt do anything.

[@stimihendrix3404]

@@iVolkswagen this is the stupidest take i’ve ever seen. you can’t just make somebody handle their mental health issues. she’s not his parent.

[@arrantainsh8754]

@@iVolkswagen her not knowing how to help him is ignorance not lack of innocence. She’s still a sweet girl and her not knowing how to help doesn’t change that. Always simple guys like you that are so confident about what they say. Think more, say less bro

[@robynalice879]

​@Eh… you really can't pay attention to an hour's worth of very detailed information, can you? Lol

[@Beckaboo3397]

@@iVolkswagen she had a learning disorder as well. In her mind she was probably helping him as much as she knew how. She’s young as well her way of thinking would most likely be far different if she was older and had more life experience and also didn’t have a learning disability.

[@chauvy5799]

And this is why i will never speak to cops without a lawyer. Kelseys interviewer should be fired immediately

[@mizzbarbiedoll8989]

that detective needs to be fired ASAP😂😂😂😂

[@normanbelanger729]

This is so heartbreaking. That detective’s approach to the young woman was horrific. The distress he left her in was painful to watch.

[@spinrash6000]

I’m sick of the Torture this young lady is going through she was not at the crime scene. Why is she even being question?

[@lisawentworth6831]

@@spinrash6000 because cops always question friends and relatives!

[@jackreese9194]

Guess the truth is unacceptable. He wasn’t gonna be satisfied unless she made up a story. What happened to innocent until proven guilty?!

[@SanityTV_Last_Sane_Man_Alive]

support police reform... I do.

[@SanityTV_Last_Sane_Man_Alive]

@@jackreese9194 hi! welcome to america! I see you are new here! we have 'for profit' hospitals and prison systems! So we let the poor die, and we love corrupt cops cuz they make us money! - the american government