Wiley Vs The Jewish Community || Halfcast Podcast

[@skyline8222]

The fact that there was bare disclaimers in this episode just shows how scared people are to talk about the Jewish community

[@johnblaze2688]

Faxxxx looool Chuckie tiptoed round it bareeeeeeee at the beginning. I expected that tbh... the one Episode i actually want Poet to just let loose.😂😂

[@severussin]

THIS IS WHY THERE IS AN ISSUE, ANYONE CANCELLING WORDS ON THE INTERNET IS TAKING IT TOO FAR. Unless a man lays out a blueprint for you to commit a crime (inciting violence) freedom speech stands.

[@87Michael]

Right! Chuckie bit his tongue on A LOT on stuff here, probably afraid he’d get shut down. Side note, get Callum outta here ASAP

[@MrMbisker]

Anyone listening knows what and how these boys are talking about is Very sanitised and they don’t believe a word of what they are saying, every Black person knows Wiley done nothing wrong

[@skyline8222]

@@87Michael LoooL Yh i didnt agree with anything callum said

[@idreesmkhan58]

We need Akala on the podcast!

[@ne3371]

this one!!!!!

[@djanil9733]

Agreed!

[@DeanOkaiSenior]

110% Brother

[@hiimanhuman]

yes !!!!!!!

[@DeanOkaiSenior]

@What-is -happening we have your back and have broadcast teams ready to deliver your balanced and composed grievance, which is easily comparable historically with African Diaspora music artists world wide at the hands of our distant cousins. [e-mail]

[@TVsez]

"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"

[@IndigoMusicTV]

@chuckieonline

[@f6876]

Alan Sugar has made offensive racist comments I don’t see any police at his door I wonder why? His latest comments were aimed at Ian Wright.

[@dazham5429]

What's he say about Wrighty

[@bradleysykes3009]

what he say?

[@Olivia-zs5vm]

I know about Alan sugars previous comment which was obviously wrong but in this particular occasion he made a joke about wrightys suit blending in on a beach and being to ‘dark’ because the suit was sand coloured which is very easy to misinterpret without seeing what Ian was wearing

[@severussin]

@@dazham5429 the point is, what did Wiley say about Jews? EXACTLY. Cancelling a man QUICKFAST but man know equally as much as to what Alan supposedly said but he ain't cancelled. That's the point right there.

[@lesley5380]

Has Ian Wright clapped back at Alan Sugar yet? They're mates obviously....

[@marcelchalobah7946]

ITS NOT OKAY TO SAY ANYTHING ANTI SEMITIC BUT WHY DO PEOPLE GET AWAY SAYING DEROGATORY INSULTS ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE ESPECIALLY AFRICANS CARIBBEAN'S ETC. WHERES THE LINE?🤔🤔🤔

[@Trax777]

Anything remotely anti-zionist is classed as racist.

[@johnrab5302]

How did Wiley end up being a victim here

[@mhb868]

It’s so mad because they’ve used a term that doesn’t really associate to them...What is a Semite ???

[@gstev6812]

WHATABOUTISM

[@gstev6812]

@@johnrab5302 The oppression Olympics. You have been oppressed therefore you can oppress.

[@demandcollect]

It taints his legacy but not ruins his legacy. He's not turned racist at 41 years old, he's just frustrated at the music industry and voiced in an provoking ignorant way

[@nicholas4791]

good comment

[@melanatedj9660]

Nothing he said was ignorant he spoke facts.

[@jak3brap10]

How is saying Jews control the music industry and essentially exploiting black artists- ignorant?

[@Casanova966]

The majority of what Wiley said is correct. The way he was treated in just days compared to 10 years of Katie Hopkins literally proved his point.

[@moneycomesfirst8681]

Yh but he shouldn't have said it. I agree that he had a point but these guys are looking for excuses to shutdown ppl.

[@esho2279]

It was weighed out by all the outrageous things he said, some of the things he said was inexcusable

[@RantRadio]

@@esho2279 wow.. The things he said. Considering we live in a day and age where our governments actions have been much more vile. Amazing how words are more effective and insulting than actual actions.

[@Kisuke258]

No need for police at his door and the Home Secretary to make a statement.

[@Casanova966]

@@esho2279 No it wasn't. Only people who lack critical thinking skills are incapable of staying focused on the gems being dropped.

[@has2sav54]

Chuckie needs to have a full podcast on all the “stories for another day”

[@TigerPrawnKing]

Katie Hopkins was on celebrity Juice not so long ago. Katie Hopkins was writing for the Sun not so long ago. Katie Hopkins had a show on LBC not so long ago. These were all after she had said countless racist things. The energy is never the same.

[@TGFLdn24]

That says a lot about Media and also says a lot about known talking heads that are Anti Muslim, Anti Black and Anti Foreign but all have been careful not to make anti semetic comments or "debate" talking points regarding Jewish community out loud.

[@TGFLdn24]

@@chichim2020 I think as others have said on here, it's about getting black people in positions of Power so that we are more than just "black twitter" and other black Voices talking loud and that we act swift on those that take liberties with black people. That is also another issue because if I say getting black people in places of power when talking on Jewish people, it's a problem.😬😬😬 Which again adds to what you are saying. This whole situation is tough and frustrating. This is what some American Jewish people have been advising the black American community on.

[@DBiggaFigga666]

@@chichim2020 to hold people accountable you require power and influence. The Jewish community say it is an anti-semetic trope to suggest they hold power and influence. Then power and influence is used to lobby for Wiley's removal from Social Media platforms and quite quickly he is removed from Twitter, then Instagram, then Facebook and now even KZbin. Power and Influence is being used to lobby the Honours Forfeiture Committee at the Cabinet Office to ask for his MBE to be revoked. Power and Influence were used to get 12 police officers sent to have a chat about some messages on social media. Power and Influence is being used to try to pressure Police and CPS to prosecute. So this idea that we just need to hold people accountable is silly as it ignores the structural inequalities which provide some groups the platforms, privilige, power and influence to create accountability for their gripes whilst simultaneously denying that same parrity of justice and equality for others. We clearly lack the power and influence that you could be labelled anti-semetic for suggesting others have.........despite whether there is evidence to the contrary.

[@DBiggaFigga666]

@Love Not Hate if you look properly through the comments many people have disagreed with what he said......just as they disagree with the likes of people like Katie Hopkins........but they point out that people like her have made careers out of being racists, given jobs and platforms in newspapers, tv, digital media, radio, social media etc to espouse their views.......not in spite of them but because of them. People point out the complete inequality in how he has been dealt with and point out that all racism or bigotry is not equal. Others have spent years spewing bile about other groups......some making careers from doing so......be they Black, Asian, Muslim, Gay, Migrants etc and have not been treated how Wiley was. All bigotry is not equal.......some groups possess a special protection that others don't. People have compared Wiley who had an outburst over 48 hours not all of which was racist I might add to career racists so to say they don't condemn him or disagree with what was said is a bit inaccurate. They also compare how the bigotry of both were dealt with. Can you honestly say that he has been dealt with equally? Was Katie Hopkins or Tommy Robinson etc removed from all platforms in one swoop......even platforms they had not misused? There are terrorists groups and radicalisation material in the online space......how is it they still exist but Wiley is erased for one outburst? Is it more to do with who the target of his outburst was? In terms of Hopkins, Robinson etc was there an immediate outcry at their first outburst? Was there an immediate shutdown of their views? You spoke about Israel.......I'd say the only way Israel gets into the conversation is if your looking at or comparing reactions. The reaction to home made 'rockets' which damage property but rarely kill or injure anyone is to level city blocks with jets, bombs and missiles regularly killing the innocent.......extreme response. Just as Wiley got an extreme response.......de-platformed from Twitter, KZbin, Instagram, Facebook, TikTok etc within 7 days......some of those platforms had not been misused either following one isolated outburst over 48 hours. Extreme response.

[@DBiggaFigga666]

@TOO LATE BYE no.......what you fail to mention is that despite her views Hopkins was given a show on LBC and a job at The Sun and The Mail Online because of her views......her sacking isn't some example of equality......she should never have had those platforms to spread her bile in the first place.....but if the target of your racism, bigotry and vitriol are black people and Muslims I guess you get a pass. So don't come with bullshit about her being sacked after they gave her platforms. Also she wasn't fired from The Sun......she left The Sun in 2015 for a job at The Mail Online.......The Sun marketed her as 'Britains most controversial collumnist'......her bigotry was a selling point. She was given and used those platforms as a vehicle for her views.......her views were legitimized. Katie Hopkins with nearly three quarters of a million followers and media connections stated a 'final solution' was needed in reference to the Islamic community as a result of terrorism.......I think genocide goes a bit further than anything Wiley said. The funny thing is it was only picked up on so harshly as it had echoes of Nazi propaganda from the Holocaust. So this idea that "it's not been unequal what happened with Wiley as Hopkins got fired". We have established this to be a factual nonsense. Their treatment was very different. It took years for Twitter to remove her and Instagram, Facebook, KZbin and TikTok didn't all follow suit and erase her immediately either so again........lets not behave like there is any parity in their treatment. Also don't bring up her losing her home.......that was a result of her making untrue libellous statements about two brothers and getting sued privately by them.......nothing to do with it being some divine consequence of her views. There was no call for black people to go to war with Jews.......complete bullshit......but in the absence of the original tweets people like yourself choose to at best paraphrase and surmise statements made with your own spin on it or simply share untruths. You talk about 'all of the racist things Wiley said' but again......in the absence of the original tweets to discuss it is easy to make such assertions. The 'hold corn' tweet you are either deliberately taking out of context and misrepresenting or are simply ignorant of urban use of language and have been provided a literal translation and run with it. If it is the former you clearly have your own agenda.......if it is the latter it is an example of your own ignorance. The 'corn' was the tweets he was firing off........quite simple really in it's context......but keep misrepresenting if it makes you feel better.......but that screams professional victim to me. Wiley said plenty that was gross generalisations of a wider community which were offensive and could be deemed bigoted.......but I struggle with the label of racist.....as it has always been my understanding that Jews were a religious group......like Christian's rather than an ethnic group.......like African's or Indians etc.....so yeah.....not really seeing the racist bit to be fair. I'm not saying that all of what he said was right......he generalised and should have clearly identified who he was speaking about than casting vague generalisations across a whole religious group when those statements may have quite accurately fitted identified individuals or a cluster of individuals in the industry........then his grievances would have been able to be discussed without 'racist' or 'anti-semite' being the phrase screamed to shutdown any discussion. Thanks for popping by though.......now jog on.

[@PhoenixHomeEd]

34:45 right! Lol, they wanted us to cancel Wiley with all this outrage. But more of us know what he was talking about than don't. So nah, within his space he is still Wiley. That's that.

[@severussin]

FACTS.

[@severussin]

@DA BLACK HULK this.

[@severussin]

this one here needs to be the pinned comment can't lie.

[@ontopmedia8053]

man aint no Xfactor artist, they didn't create him so they can't done him

[@donavanjohnson2455]

Come on

[@ORGPPL1]

Y'all seemed scared to even mention the word Jew. Maybe y'all don't know there are Ethiopian Jews that are being racially abused in Israel

[@thomasgoldbart689]

There’s actually so many problems in this world to fix man

[@Chuckieonline]

I'm aware of Ethiopian Jews. Just not knowledgeable on their history.

[@ORGPPL1]

@@Chuckieonline They're known as Beta Israel. There's information on-line and likely some vids on here. If you do have another discussion it'll be a good idea to have a white Jew and a black Jew as guests or someone who knows the history of Judaism etc etc, So y'all can have a open discussion without fears of being labeled as "antisemitic"

[@matthewomalley6732]

Those same Jews that the Israeli government covertly evacuated to safety in Israel? Doesn't seem like something a racist state would do.

[@ORGPPL1]

@@matthewomalley6732 I didn't mention the state being racist. So learn how to read! That said, I also didn't mention that Israel's government / medical staff, were sterilizing Ethiopian female Jews, without their knowledge.

[@EliUnityGoldsmith]

Thanks brother I met you in Israel for the first time with the Nissim Black crew and doc, love to connect you to my family crew in London, anyhow thanks for making this discussion and happy to see many peoples unity focus! Big love all!

[@asxlli]

Wiley definitely had points in what he was saying there are most certainly ppl to target anger at however him generalizing is what discredited him and allowed them to paint him with the anti-Semitic brush ( they would have most likely painted him that even if he didn't generalize ). now that he has been vilified tho it goes to show how quick a black person or anyone from a minority can be made accountable for speaking out against a group of people whilst others can say whatever they want and it is looked past or not taken as seriously. which just goes to show who is running the show as it seems whoever speaks out is canceled far quicker than those speaking out against another group of people

[@Chuckieonline]

Fair!!

[@severussin]

@Maria Smith This!!!!!!

[@devious5296]

Right around the world, we talk of people, groups, communities. Whites, blacks, the Germans, Muslims, football fans, animal rights activists. Grouping people helps us understand what would otherwise be a mass of humans with no way of categorizing them and has done since man learned to speak. Why has anything changed now? After all, books thousands of years old used these same terms. The Bible uses the word Jew, so does the Quran. Are Jews no longer a group, then why call them Jews at all and not just humans?

[@severussin]

The thing to be aware of is the fact that the speed of cancellation was immediate. Many people generalise all the time, but when you generalise and it FALLS OUTSIDE OF THE SOCIALLY ACCEPTED NARRATIVE what happens?

[@lilycollins3496]

I think if anyone went on a days long tirade talking about how much they hate a community, be it Jews, Muslims, Indians, or even Irish people, there would be a lash back, why are people acting like Jewish people defending themselves is out of hand, if someone comes for your community you will defend yourselves

[@rdenn_shapes]

good to see no fear from chuckie to cover this subject, katie hopkins and tommy had a green light for ages to spew their hate, 12 police going too Wiley yard in 24hrs was a sign of power

[@rootbeermcgee]

If Poet was here it wold be 1 hour and 20 mins of saying he doesnt want to get into it

[@acharich]

@@rootbeermcgee 💀💀💀💀💀

[@melaninmonroe9996]

Don’t forget what Liam nesson said with chest 🤯

[@revival45]

Maybe, but what was David Duke tweeting? This whataboutary is not going to change the fact that Wiley was being racist in his comments. Maybe we should listen to what the Jewish community finds offensive as we have been screaming for white people to understand what we find offensive. Lets not let the status of Wiley blare the lines of right and wrong. If we want a fair society then we should be willing to look at people in our community who mess up and tell them they messed up. Dressing up this turd does not make it any less a big stinking turd.

[@rdenn_shapes]

@@melaninmonroe9996 and he has a new film coming out

[@yannelle6379]

I Just wanna shake chuckies mums hand frfr! such a level headed considerate thinker because boii listening to everyone on youtube talking was starting to annoy me!!! people especially the system, sympathise with their struggle and pain. can sit down watch holocaust docs day after day year after year and blame nazis but when we ask for the same accountability and recognition we asking for too much! having to force the hand and isssh! my opinion. The institutions are on their side. Not ours!

[@Slicerdizzle]

That's because them so called Jewish people are white people, and they are not about to let you hold them accountable

[@thomasgoldbart689]

There’s loads of films and documentary’s on the Slave trade if that is what you are referring to, it is also showed within schools during GCSE history and before. I’m white, i wish i had them on my side trust me

[@dulsen2011]

yann elle thank you sir, well said . When you controll banks and the media it easy to cancel someone Look at those cannot be critical of and that’s where the true power resides ,

[@AK_1444]

@Thomas Goldbart They do not teach you about the brutality, mental and physical abuse and the lie they told you about Jesus and the Bible in school... So no unless you have done your own actual research do not tell me about gcse and slave films. What an insult, you didn't have to say you were white I could tell by your ignorance.

[@22kurtd]

Well done you’re rolling with a fake narrative and thinking you’re woke and spreading it to other dumb people. antisemitism.adl.org/power/

[@KingTooba]

When you say something about black people, they’re gonna debate if or what they will take away from you. If you speak about Jews they will take everything as a starter & debate if they should leave you with something. That’s the difference 😂 Wiley didn’t even get it that bad

[@CarringDevil]

@Lav Fitness! Brilliantly said!

[@Trax777]

I just wanna set the record straight for what Wiley said about Palestine not belonging to modern day Jews, which is correct, the actual Lemba Jews ( one of the original 12 black jewish tribes) were forced out at the time of the fall of the great temple. The modern day Jews are actually decendents of a Ashkenazi Turkish tribe which the Lemba Traded with to the north of Palestine, their ruler adopted Judaism and his people followed suit. After WW2 the British gave the Ashkenazi's land in Palestine displacing 1000'S of Palestinians. To this day the Ashkenazi have continually violated their treaty with Palestine, until today where Israle is an apartheid state like how South Africa waz. Before people want to debate me and call what im saying BS or conspiracy do some research, i have given you alot of key words to type into google or youtube

[@hannah60000]

Jake Hirsch That’s true Jews can come from any where in the globe. Also, European Jews tend to be the Ashkenazi (coverts) Jews, hence the Germanic surnames in US being associated with “Jewish”. Additionally, why are the black Ethiopian Jews and black/Africans in modern day Israel treated badly? There’s a racial element at play when it comes to the interactions between the collective groups globally and historically, which is being referred to overall.

[@southside-hornbaby5325]

You mean millions of Palestinians

[@ssjr3604]

From u know about he Lemba u know ur stuff

[@xxballer099gfxxzz3]

Lemba people are not ethnically Jewish nor did they even believe in Judaism they had at one point have practices similar to Judaism and Islamism, even DNA studies have found that they have no claims to Jewish heritage.

[@davidwalker2605]

Think you need to research more. Any similar practices probably came from Muslim influences. Dna can't tell if your a jew or Muslim. Can point to what region some of your Dna is from though. Many white European people have genetic markers from middle East also.

[@ShakaRaSpeaks]

Suggestion, after the conversation with the Jewish people, get a Black historian on who can address "The Secret relationship between Blacks and Jews".

[@devious5296]

Anyone who really wants to learn about what Wiley was talking about should read that book.

[@acharich]

Nick Cannon got a rabbi on his show after peeps wanted to cancel him..

[@gyata7270]

@@acharich That Rabbi was a waste of time on Nick Cannon's show, he didn't dispute anything Nick said, of course his delivery could have been better but the Rabbi didn't correct Nick on anything, all he Rabbi did was Slander Minister Louis Farrakhan, yet he had nothing to do with Nick Cannon issue.

[@Userdoesnotexit]

how aboout just a fucking ''historian''

[@tris87don16]

Yeah that is the book still

[@musicatings]

Bare disclaimers in the convo 🤣 mandem know the power of the Jewish people. The issue is deep rooted.

[@Joeonline26]

"The power of the Jewish people" - stop with the casual anti-semitism bro

[@DD-jg8xr]

Non cookie cutter I think it’s the opposite actually. He’s saying the stereotype is deep rooted

[@Joeonline26]

D D I hope so. We don’t need this kind of stereotyping towards any community.

[@HenryAnimationz]

Non cookie cutter so are you saying they don’t have power?

[@DD-jg8xr]

Monkey Business A select few do and did, definitely not an accurate representation of the Jewish community in the Uk

[@Kissesandcupcakes]

Big up Wiley, the message he was trying to portray is facts, we all know it, and every black person knows it. I rate Wiley even more tbh ..

[@xxballer099gfxxzz3]

So ignorant

[@jak3brap10]

@@xxballer099gfxxzz3the irony

[@TheYoungrainer]

imagine reggie yates came on here and said 1 thing about jewish guys in the music industry and never worked for the bbc again.

[@levlinupagain]

He's black!!

[@TGFLdn24]

That's the one that hurt me. I understood the anger because he used a "slur" (which was the problem) when talking on a valid experience growing up (in the same interview he praised a Jewish woman who helped a lot of black kids back in the day). I don't mind if they wanted a valied apology and that was it, bit the complete axing of everything he built up was too much. That is one of the many things I want talk about but it seems like talking on that maybe be "Anti Semitic" to some apperently....sigh.

[@PhoenixHomeEd]

And that tells you everything you need to know about that group. The most powerful and most protected. They run the media industry, period.

[@dulsen2011]

rain man When you controll banks and the media it easy to cancel someone

[@acharich]

Word..? 👀👀👀

[@Zubad3]

safe chucks, maybe you remember me.. I met you in ranoush one time late at night in high street ken at was my birthday (23rd December) I'm a Palestinian man and we spoke about the documentary you made in Israel etc as well as what you weren't aware about before going there. Just wanted to say it was a pleasure and keep learning about the Palestine which is now known as Israel. many thanks

[@Chuckieonline]

Yesss, i remember you bro. I hope you're good. Message me on insta if you have one. I'll look out for you. Blessed!

[@Zubad3]

Chuckie Online oiiiii Madting my guy just hit u up on dm respect

[@truthheard6142]

Shall I tell you what the answer is? Muslims and blacks people aren’t in a position of power and influence. If blacks people or Muslims were united and stood against Katie Hopkins or Tommy Robinson or the Sun in the same way the Jewish community stood up against Wiley something may have changed. We have enough Black people and Muslims in a positions of power but most are worried about affecting their career. Only since the BLM we have grown in more confidence we have seen a slight change but this needs to continue and take this further. Even when you mentioned Katie Hopkins wearing a burka their was a slight laughter between you and your guest, you think Jews were laughing at Wiley?

[@acharich]

So back to the *unity* that Chuckie mentioned near the start..? 🤔

[@ICTS22]

What do Katie Hopkins and Tommy Robinson control? Nothing! Why are people bringing up these two people when they aren't relevant to what happened to Wiley, have zero power and control nothing. Guess what, the SAME people who had Katie Hopkins BANNED from Twitter are the SAME people who had Wiley BANNED from Twitter.

[@kree8art395]

I must say, this is the realist conversation on the internet. This is the first time I've come across this podcast. Keep up the hard work guys these convocations are very important to have. You should make another channel where you do clips of some sections of each long form content. This will help spread the message even further as some people are turned away from longer content. (Example of this is done by the Joe Rogan podcast, its hard work but its a good long term strategy.

[@acharich]

🎯🎯🎯

[@Ton_Of_Hustle]

Realest*

[@kaymei1995]

Wiley proved to me that hes one of the few genuinley free thinkers in the scene.

[@jynxstarr6232]

Looks like to me, that people understand Wiley's words, he may not have articulated the exact correct way but we heard him. And the actions that followed sure do back his case. Wiley will be fine.

[@ainsworthbrown7764]

Come on, I'm strapped in for a good discussion

[@MrIDIDDIS]

I see u

[@mrminiature11]

@@MrIDIDDIS I see you too

[@levlinupagain]

So what's your thoughts cause I still think they skipping over puddles.

[@mrminiature11]

@@levlinupagain I mean there's nothing wrong with that. He isn't a historian so he doesn't have all the facts, so instead of talking shit about something they prefer to skip it and not put false info out.

[@PeculiarJake]

You inspire me to do my on podcast much love from California

[@DeanOkaiSenior]

I would very much enjoy an opportunity to join Half Cast Podcast to give clarity about the socio economic relationship between African Diasporans and Jews globally. We know Wiley was emotional in his delivery, he's an artist. What can we do, but he deserves the right to compose himself and deliver clearly what he actually means. Generalizing about any ethnicity is wrong, we should be specific so there is something specific to explore with Wiley that needs to be heard. Facts over feelings and clarity over conflation

[@toolatehello3345]

So Black lives matter but anybody else's lives are worthless. If a white supremist was to write this about another white racist you would be salivating with anger1

[@thegoodcompanyke]

Man, I am so conflicted on this conversation. Wiley's frustration with his manager was super poorly articulated. He shouldn't have said a lot of what he said. Most it is simply indefensible. No race should be stereotyped. That's standard. On the flip side, should he be crucified? No. Especially from sections of media who have never heard of a "Wiley" or seen his contribution or kept up with his ANTICS over the years. The Sky Interview pissed me off completely, it went in looking for ONE ANGLE and Wiley, being Wiley gave them that angle, again poor articulation and expression. I am also kinda pissed at some of the media outlets that champion Black Music and have presenters who are authorities on Black Music, pissed because they would have been able to unlock a deeper conversation with Wiley without the hyperbole. I'm not trying to sanitise what was said, but context is important. These outlets should have been as quick to interview him as they were when he has going at Stormzy or any of the other things he's done over the years. Racism, regardless of who it's against is wrong and although I have my views, as a black man about how we treated and portrayed, I would like the same energy and standards applied when there is racist behavour against EVERYONE. Whether they are Jewish, Black, Asian or White. We've said it a million times, Wiley needs help and we know he's not the easiest person to pin down. Let's use this as an opportunity to have a wider conversation on race. I told myself I wasnt gonna comment but cho!

[@severussin]

Very well said comment and I have to agree here. My thing is that the Wiley is being destroyed for things that comedians say on stage. I feel that this is part of a Corporate Interest, that tends to rear its head whenever there is any outrage by any group of any kind.

[@TheBigThinker944]

The Realest response yet

[@melanatedj9660]

Jewish isn't a race it's an ethnicity/religion. There are Ethiopian Jews my friend is a Black American Jew. What Wiley said was truth and you can't say anything wrong about white Jewish people or you will be shut down because they control everything.

[@VOLRAK1]

1st. Everyone has to watch thier speech when it comes to Jews it was demonstrated many times here lol So let me understand from this point of view. Here we have a people who claim that by GOD, they are the ONES chosen from all humanity...Remember from this point of view where does that leave all the rest of humanity? It might not seem like anything major but the physcology of it screams entitlement, privilege, power and all the other keys words that play into the Jewish stereotype I think.

[@blackmirrorball3084]

All religions think the same thing. What's your point?

[@VOLRAK1]

@@blackmirrorball3084 what other religion unequivocally claim to be God's chosen people above all other nations? Give me an example.

[@matthewomalley6732]

@@VOLRAK1 Islam. Christianity.

[@VOLRAK1]

@@matthewomalley6732 that is not an example you've only named 2 major religions bro Islam make no such claim but the NATION OF ISLAM do and they are not the same go check em out if u will. And Christianity is merely the broken off sect of Judaism and they use the same book so there will and should be parallels.

[@blackmirrorball3084]

@@VOLRAK1 Muslims, Christians, Zoroastrians, Catholics, etc, etc. Name me one religion that thinks another are the chosen people?

[@leonpalmer2429]

Look at chucks body language he seems vey nervous to cha about this . This goes to show the higher powers who run the industry have alot of power. This is why alot of people are scared to stand up for wiley

[@LifeOnLahLahLand]

The word it’s called “anti-blackness”

[@marstr130]

The word is made up

[@IsaacSemple]

Negrophobia

[@r.h.f.6073]

19:48 to a certain extent this is true: Islamophobia and anti-Black racism is allowed in many circles in this country and in the US too. I don't think this points to maliciousness from Jews though. I think it points to the fact that, generally speaking, Jewish people look more or less white, and so they get a lot less heat from racists in the West.

[@Chuckieonline]

interesting

[@ehb5079]

Whilst them blending in is a factor it is only that,a factor, and not the conclusion here. You would be ignoring so much off history and current day affairs for that to be the main reason.

[@r.h.f.6073]

@@ehb5079 Ok, in your opinion what is the 'main reason'?

[@cdb.o1]

“Everyone should be OPENED UP to UNPACK” what a line 👏🏾

[@faaizafaiza1607]

There’s no point talking about this topic if you’re too scared to talk about it properly without walking on eggshells.

[@user-de7wq3iu7g]

Exactly. No one was as brave as Wiley. So they best just not even bother speak on it

[@Jojohumf]

Just like when you criticise Islam and everyone’s comes in force scared to talk about the truth

[@faaizafaiza1607]

Free Speech no one said racist rant.

[@The_Reality_Filter]

What race are Jews? How can it be racism when they're not a race.

[@DjMagicJay]

The original Jews was the black Israelites Jews what you see today is not the original Jews what came out way back win so a lot of people need to do the research and get information about the black Jews and Israelites

[@Ri-bq2yp]

So glad you said this!

[@ontopmedia8053]

the Lemba are one of the original 12 tribes.

[@ragetype1303]

@sleekz Squeeze what words are they bro

[@faaizafaiza1607]

That’s not true black people were never Jews you cannot be black and be Jewish even days I’m the Torah.

[@DjMagicJay]

faaiza faiza do your research

[@IsaacSemple]

Wiley helped build a scene that has given black britain a voice. Black people in Britain would never cancel Wiley simply to appease the Jewish community. He has done too much...

[@anitakleeia8118]

Thank you for using your platform to discuss this in depth. I won't comment too much on Wiley as others have already covered a lot. If I am correct, The Observer article being referred to involves Lupe Fiasco. I remember this. There's no denying that some unethical things take place within music the industry. As an artist, he tried to express his experience through his music, but his choice of words ended up being offensive, and unfortunately people focussed on that instead.

[@TYSHAAA]

Lol at the people that thought they wouldn't cover this on this podcast. Chuckie has the range 🔥

[@MrNTR1]

Youre not allowed to talk about the "chosen" ones. Especially if youre just a black man. That wealthy community will make sure you cant feed your family if you do. EDIT: This is why black corporate control and ownership is important. They can't cancel what they don't own, control or fund.

[@justdoit.86yearsago]

Chucky knows this which is why he was so careful not to say the wrong thing. Just call a spade a spade.

[@ragetype1303]

Can some one explain what's going why are ppl not allowed to talk jews

[@ragetype1303]

An what will happen if chucky does talk about jews and the community

[@retrogamerkidz]

The term is anti-black. Great chat

[@abduljah5722]

Blackaphobic rolls off the tongue

[@DD-jg8xr]

Abdul Jah I like Negrophobia😅😂

[@TheCNSR]

Mehhh, it seems a bit weak. Like how Jews don't call it "anti-Jewish". "Anti-afroism" maybe? The 'ism' is a nice suffix.

[@ldn876]

Black phobia

[@retrogamerkidz]

You guys are funny 😂. Phobia implies fear. The term is anti black because it incorporates a long history of black oppression (J crow, one drop rule). Anti black is also simple and uncompromising in its assesment. No grey area. Again, great chat Chuckie.

[@jls534]

Find out who you're not allowed to criticise and you'll find out who rules over you.

[@Blessup13]

18:10 How about we call it 'Afrophobia'? 🤔

[@benja303]

Yesterday The high court in Jamaica agreed to a ban on dreadlocks in a school. I Couldn’t think of a better label for that than afrophobia

[@Chuckieonline]

I'm good with that!

[@djanil9733]

@@Chuckieonline get Gilad Atzmon on sir. He is a j.. that recognizes what really going on! Also a collab between you and richie allen would be fantastic.. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z2a6dKamo95gmq8

[@matthewomalley6732]

Surely there should be two terms? Afro phobia sounds like a knee jerk fear and therefore irrational. Anti-black implies malicious intent. Learned vs irrational racism.

[@Blessup13]

@@matthewomalley6732 Nah I Iike Afrophobia. It comes in both forms both knee jerk and maliciously.

[@moneycomesfirst8681]

Whats the difference between Wiley "hate speech" and katie hopkins and tommy Robinson. Even though he didnt deliver his point across in the best way but we all knew he had a point

[@gstev6812]

What point did he have when he said he hates all Jewish people?

[@drifter402]

@@gstev6812 he generalised to the point where it was hard to come up with any other conclusion

[@severussin]

WHY CANT WE TALK ABOUT THE JEWISH COMMUNITY THE WAY WE ARE ALLOWED TO DISCUSS STRAIGHT WHITE MEN???? WHY CANT WE TALK ABOUT THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY THE WAY WE ARE ALLOWED TO DISCUSS STRAIGHT WHITE MEN??? For example^^ Now keep applying that question to groups ennit. You’ll notice you can easily speak about some people and not others, which is at its core UNFAIR. We can’t speak freely because people are sensitive, thats one element of human communication - tact solves that issue. But see this sensitivity, its being USED as power play by many corporate interests. This is what you are seeing with Wiley, corporate interests co-opting outrage into their own campaign. We honestly have seen many corporations that have absolutely NOTHING to do with things like black issues use George Floyd to focus their campaigns towards the black community. This is the same thing News organisations do with antisemitism, it co-opts THE OUTRAGE and keeps it alight to get the views, the advertising contracts and airtime - its fucking BUSINESS. But its also wrong in my opinion. WHEN OUR ABILITY TO ADDRESS PEOPLE IN CONVERSATION WITH THE SAME ENERGY EXISTS COME BACK TO ME ENNIT. SIMPLE.

[@VitaminVisionTV]

Chuckie said " the full force of what happens when you say something about that community?!" What? nick canon got his show cancelled, arsenio hall got his show cancelled, professor griff got kicked out of public enemy

[@benja303]

isn't that his point?

[@esho2279]

You literally just repeated the point he made ya fool

[@TGFLdn24]

As a British Black man, I will freely admit that some in our community adhere to certain forms of anti semitism, do we talk on it enough, certain black notible commutators have. But, do prominent Jewish heritage commentators talk on the bigotry and racism within many parts of the Jewish community?

[@FrancO-pp5hu]

Explain what is this anti-semitism that black people engage with?

[@TGFLdn24]

@@FrancO-pp5hu that they control "everything", the Rothschild, some, and I mean some, get lost in the whole conspiracy trail. I am not talking about issues on Israel and Palestine and true Hebrew history.

[@TGFLdn24]

@Laura Nwogu it's the "they control everything" narrative and also other conspericies. Just to be clear, I am not saying there is tons of bigotry from black people to Jewish people but I cannot pretend that I have not seen some convos go down the path that is considered anti semetic. It's not on the same level of all the racist/ bigoted stuff I grew up hearing from white people in regards to Jewish people.

[@severussin]

​@@TGFLdn24 Some people in all communities adhere to certains forms of everything, how is that a legitimate point? I won't admit any of those assumptions you made because I have not had a single discussion with a black person about Jews that has contained any anti-semite rhetoric because any of us have referenced Jewish influence in society etc its because there is actual basis for these claims of Jewish superiority within society for example: I watched a Netflix documentary which SAID OUTRIGHT that the Louise Wise Trust (look it up) had over 200 million dollars in assets and deep political connections - if that ain't power I DONT KNOW WHAT IS. An Adoption Agencry, with 200 million and DEEP POLITICAL CONNECTIONS. Please deny how that is power. Now was the documentary anti-semite? No, it most likely was produced by Jewish people, based on the fact that it was based around a Jewish adoption agency etc etc - my point is its not anti-semitism to point out actual facts in society. When its anti-semitism is when a claim about an entire group of Semites is actually just slander, with no basis in anything real. Let me know is that isn't clear because its a quite a specific point.

[@severussin]

@@TGFLdn24 but "some convos" isn't on the scale that that happens TOWARDS black people. BRUV we've just seen a white man kill a black man on camera and less than a month of rioting - one day of tweeting and POLICE TURN UP AT MAN'S DOOR. Bro in the comparison game black people lose.

[@courblimey8887]

Free Wiley!

[@alexs1002]

adolf?

[@r.h.f.6073]

You need to get Akala on the podcast!!! He will have an abslute *wealth* of knowledge to drop on you and your audience regarding racial oppression and capitalism.

[@shartropicambassador7473]

Great podcast, interesting comment section. It is important for us to have these difficult conversations and I'm really glad you went ahead and did it. Change is never easy, and we can only understand each other by having the important conversations and taking time to listen to each others points of view.

[@mrminiature11]

Don't really have a problem with what Wiley said, but I dislike what Nick Cannon said. You can't say a whole group is lacking in "empathy, compassion and soul" and expect not to face the consequences. Especially knowing that Jewish people are in positions of power in nearly every industry.

[@severussin]

Good distinction.

[@mrminiature11]

@babajohn100 white Jewish people but you could apply it to both tbh. He said they lack those things because "they are lacking in melanin" (which is what makes black people have darker skin compared to white people). Honestly it's embarrassing that he said that because it makes us look bad.

[@mrminiature11]

@babajohn100 there are heartless people in all cultures including our own. For the reasons that you stated

[@mrminiature11]

@Free Speech I didn't see that since I'm not on twitter. The way Chuckie worded it was very different.

[@ebony0836]

We already know that all men aren't created equal! - Translation - 😶If you're black you will be judged more harshly than others 😶The playing field aint equal 😶Alas, the 'blacker' you are, does not make your berries sweeter 😶There are no benefits to comparing struggles

[@PhoenixHomeEd]

👏🏾

[@Ton_Of_Hustle]

Ur wrong all men are created equal God created us as eqauls we as a black race are just losing in this period of time we weren’t always losing & we shall rise again.

[@ebony0836]

@@Ton_Of_Hustle this isnt about religion as its how society treats their brethren. So no, all men aren't equal in the eyes of their fellow man. Its not a question of black people losing @ specific periods of time, its how humanity has always been. As long as there are disparities, imbalance of power/wealth, racism, prejudice etc...there will never be a level playing field. It is what it is!! If society was truly God fearing, atrocities will be no more.

[@BaseDaKIDTheHARDCORECasual]

I didn't see ALL of Wiley's tweets so will not say this with any concrete certainty but from the ones I saw they weren't even that bad. Some looked like opinions and others looked like they 'could' be factual with a lil research behind them. No community is 100% unified but it is pretty clear that the Jewish community on the whole are more together than most and seem to have some kind of tangible power/leverage at their disposal.

[@TGFLdn24]

I did not see all either but the ones that linked "the Jews" to the KKK (a group that hated Jews and gays outside of their main hate for black people) kind of done it the most.

[@severussin]

The response to it is proof but the Unity isnt in the common Jewish community you see around you. The UNITY you’re seeing is Corporate Interests who need to appear non-racist, so thus support outrage.

[@user-hy4xz1qt9h]

@@TGFLdn24 what tweet linked jews to the kkk?

[@ontopmedia8053]

@@severussin truth!

[@stefonrichards6711]

That guy from London google Dan Burros. Then let’s see if you’ll understand how deep this thing goes.

[@laroseuk]

Brave of you to touch this topic 👏

[@severussin]

THIS DOES NOT RUIN WILEYS LEGACY BECAUSE HIS LEGACY IS GRIME NOT HIS OPINIONS. I NEVER CARED ABOUT WILEY’S SOCIAL COMMENTARY BEFORE THIS MOMENT AND STILL DON’T. 😂😂

[@somethingelse_uk]

27:30 - thats so on point. Thank you

[@ssjr3604]

The ppl that are fully woke know that what Wiley was saying was the truth and they shut him down money is power this is y black people need their own things institutes in every thing we are reliant on other people too much. Big up Wiley King of Grime everyone scared to say it how it is. How he went about it was probably wrong but he didn’t lie.

[@ssjr3604]

@Love Not Hate yes thats great an a lot of wat u said i didnt know but my point is black people as a community need their own things just like every other community without relying on anyone for handouts bcoz we dong have these things we are open to exploitation from people that do.

[@motalks2598]

what Wiley was saying, he basically was targeting a mafia of people within his industry. I can relate - one of my former employers had a mafia of a certain nationality, they were all mates and were promoting each-other whilst the good talent left the company.

[@TGFLdn24]

I think the "redemption" of Wiley and the dent on his legacy will depend on if the rumours are true and he has problems with his mental health. It's not just the anti semitism, it is also how he had been carrying on a couple of months ago with the whole Stormzy issues. He has always been a "character" but he seems to be going beyond that, and that makes me feel the rumours are true about his mental health. Also, yes, I do believe there is conversation that is needed regarding the relationship between some black British people and some British Jews and white British people of Jewish heritage. If you can get two British Jewish people on, especially, someone who is in the entertainment industry and also someone who is knowledgeable in social and political issues, then that would be very good. There was a black Jewish woman that came up a lot on social media during Wiley's activities, I forgot her name but she has to be considered to come on a talk.

[@Chuckieonline]

I think her name is Nadine (or something beginning with N lol). A few people have been mentioning her to me. Thanks for the message.

[@TGFLdn24]

@@Chuckieonline that's the one. She would be a good choice if she was willing.

[@ehb5079]

Bring that women on so we can victimise jews even more? Why not actually talk to someone who can explain why a lot of what wiley Is saying has many truths in it such as lowkey or something. Or bring them both on together atleast

[@TGFLdn24]

@@ehb5079 not so, I think the idea of her "as an example" is the fact she has spoken on racism and other issues within the Jewish Community and also can see it from a "Jewish" perspective. Or any other black and Jewish representative. But I hear you on bringing on also Ayi Kewi Amah etc to talk on the other subjects he spoke on.

[@TGFLdn24]

@@ehb5079 for me, it's more than just what Wiley wrote. I want to see a discussion where some British Jewish people state what issues they have with some in the black community and some of the black community state their issues they have with the British Jewish community. Amongst the stereotypes their is discussions that is needed. It is not just what happens in the entertainment industry.

[@caliG747]

Really excellently discussed, much needed on difficult topics.

[@TVSOUNDSYSTEM]

Like to hear MegaMan’s thoughts on this. Hope is a future guest 👊🏾👌🏾👍🏾

[@IRCW]

Chuckie could easily be a therapist I could listen to him speak 24/7

[@IRCW]

My*

[@toolatehello3345]

If you like someone talking BS 24/7.

[@f6876]

Wiley spoke the truth and this podcast proves this. Wiley’s beef is with a small minority of Jews( Ashkenazi) who have benefited from the exploitation of black people and black culture. Yes his delivery was poor however his points were valid.

[@givenright]

Agreed. He articulated it terribly, like he was rambling.

[@nthatomokgata]

Chuckie got EXCCIIITED about his Jamaican grocery shopping 😂😂😂😂😂 that was the most hyped! For that Aki 🐟🐟🐟

[@samol8382]

I beg you reach out to Lowkey, I believe he would be the right person to have a conversation about the long-standing political issues in Israel atm such as the hegemony of Palestine, Zionism, BDS, US and UK foreign policy etc.

[@samol8382]

@Maria Smith By your own admission, when you say "This is about BLACK PEOPLE who have historically been mistreated and discriminated against in the Levantine region" leads me to believe that you do agree that a broader discussion needs to be had about Palestine which isn't too radically left from said conversation as historically the black community have identified and shown solidarity with the Palestinian plight whether it be through the BLM movement or the Black Panther Party

[@nitiquestyle6739]

If you want to know who rule over you, look at who you can’t criticize. Chuckle I honestly was looking for more from you on this subject, especially wit your Jamaican heritage.

[@The_Reality_Filter]

He knows if he says too much he will get INSTANTLY cancelled just like Wiley did.

[@FuturisticStuff]

I’ve had to live with Katie Hopkins and Tommy Robinson spouting hate and ignorance to masses for years!! You get told to rise above it and ignore it so they don’t get attention. As soon as it’s the Jewish community it’s different. Not condoning what he said but it’s true ‘one rule for them and one for us’. One difference, our complexion.

[@KB-oe3sb]

Big up from belize chuckie. Love what u doing bro!

[@babylonmusfall]

Big Respect and Love to Wiley my bruddah. Speaking the TRUTH. They think they are smart 😂 we see them and now the world will see them too for the evil cowards they are. Anyone offended by Wiley speaking FACTS, answer me this: Who owns the banks that we are all supposedly in debt to? Who owns hollywood? Who owns the news and media? Who owns these massive tech companies? What is the samson option? As you can see its all the same people. The ones who claim they are persecuted but in fact own most of the wealth in the world. Their names usually end in “STEIN”. You know, like jefery epSTEIN and harvey weinSTIEN.

[@suzypayne-clark906]

Yet another brilliant conversation love Chuckie and guests sending love xx

[@blackarabofficial]

I tried to listen for as long as I could without comment.. however I just feel it’s all still so much nonsense and highlights that the playing field is not equal and that’s the be all and end all of the conversation.. we can dress it up as much as we want to and pretend what he said and done was outrageous but again it all leads back to his point which ultimately is the playing field is not equal and it’s unfair and needs to change.. but true people are still struggling with the concept of self and what is right is right and what’s wrong is wrong we will never be able to truly unpack this topic.. EVER because we are still not addressing the elephant in the room.

[@ant285]

For all those who advised you not to touch this subject on your platform, well done for doing it, this is the most sense I’ve heard on the subject, well done to all on this pod, really great listen, 100% Like this!!

[@khary9]

Great convo once again. Surely, the swift online banning and police action reinforces Wiley's notion. 100% On anothet note, I'd like to see you and crew discuss Beyonce's Black is King and the issue of African cultural appropriation.

[@TheBigThinker944]

What issue is their. She is black she can't appropriate african culture. It's her culture. She can be distasteful, but as a member of our african community she can not appropriate her own heritatge. And based on the fact that ADOS and Caribbeans are a mixture of African peoples they can't claim a singular country so I say let them embrace they own African culture. We wouldn't tell a Sudanese the same thing if they did the same thing so for my personally until african nations make it a constitutional right to return to Africa, then let them embrace all Africa.

[@melanatedj9660]

@@TheBigThinker944 Agreed!

[@6keelan]

Hiii! Been watching you for a while now and I was watching your podcasts on tv at my aunt’s house, about a year ago and funnily enough she told me that you went to her and her brother’s high school, in Walford, she said if she knew back then that her niece would be watching you on telly she wouldn’t believe it loool! Anyway I love watching your podcasts and the topics you discuss 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🤍

[@6keelan]

🤟🏼🤟🏼🤟🏼🤟🏼

[@TGFLdn24]

..any way, shout outs to those that are proudly Black and Jewish, you must be going through a lot there last 2 years. Shout outs to the young Jewish people that loves black culture and has close black friends and may have seen some reckless talk from some black People, I know you must have to keep quiet on a lot looooooool. Shout outs to all black people that work for rude and bigoted and racist white managers, that happen to be of Jewish heritage, which they mostly make clear when someone calls them Racist, I know it is hell working under them conditions.... Also, shout out to all those elder white people who was calling everyone anti semetic last year but behind the scenes, when you was younger (and at times still now) made jokes about Jews and big Noses and love for Money, and also those that had siblings who used to draw swatstikers on walls of Jewish businesses.....we see you, although mass media wants to pretend that is not a thing...

[@GodMcQueen]

*I did not like how people such as the UK 'musician' Example expected a response from the Grime community that had nothing to do with Wiley's comments at all. The idea that one person's actions speaks for an entire scene is fucking idiotic and honestly quite dangerous.*

[@TGFLdn24]

Agreed but we have got into the space where everyone wants certain groups to talk on everything. Look how people thought "grime community" was silent when there is attacks abuse on black women or Solo rape charge.......

[@PhoenixHomeEd]

@@TGFLdn24 black community black issue thats why. I don't think thats the same.

[@TGFLdn24]

@@PhoenixHomeEd I mean the pressure on any one to speak on things of any subject. Like sexual assaults, Me Too, famous musicians on racism in the music business etc, different subjects but some situations.

[@rawpromo9272]

There is a problem in the music industry, black artists are being exploited by unscrupulous executives. Also many UK artists dont get bookings unless signed up with a particular booking agency. An unhealthy monopoly that needs to be dismantled or challenged.

[@KallusGarnet]

this is all industries to be honest wake up.

[@melaninmonroe9996]

Can we get Wiley on the podcast now ?

[@motivation-wz7qi]

It’s a double standard. Well done to the Jewish community for protecting their own with immediate effect. Black folk now follow suit and do the same for yours. You now know where you stand.

[@DBiggaFigga666]

Influence provides protection. Just saying go protect your community is ignorant. The community has been speaking out on racism and injustice........they just clearly lack the influence to drive public backlash like this, drive a police response as was seen and drive any action from Social Media platforms. It is interesting when people say it is anti-semetic to suggest the Jewish community hold influence but then we see that influence at work with people afraid to have discussions and 4 social media platforms removing Wiley (despite having done nothing wrong on all of them). Influence exists......that is a fact. The Campaign Against Anti-Semitism are the ones who influenced the Police to send 12 officers to have a chat about some tweets, the same campaign lobbied Social Media platfoms to remove Wiley and he's since been removed from Twitter, Instagram, Facebook and KZbin. The same campaign is lobbying the Honours Forfeiture Committee at the Cabinet Office to ask for his MBE to be revoked. I see Influence and Power at work here. So when people say it is an anti-semetic trope to suggest the Jewish community have power and influence I'm calling bullshit on that as the evidence speaks for itself. You can't claim to have no power or influence and only represent 0.2% of the population but also have organisations like the CAA wielding power and influence whilst simultaneously saying power and influence is a myth. It is crazy to think the some of what was described as tropes are being played out as fact and reality.

[@sugarcuba4628]

didn't i see made BLM everywhere for yers lol

[@Moxhification]

was waiting for this

[@carternibbz5365]

katie and lots have said worse leave wiley alone period

[@3stahh]

Katie ?

[@thomasgoldbart689]

Just because somebody has done worse we should ignore the little things? Cmon man

[@micah.101]

They’re trying to sue him...

[@thomasgoldbart689]

Micah J racism deserves full repercussions, and yes I agree this should be happening to Katie and that tommy guy

[@micah.101]

Thomas Goldbart can’t be racist towards a religion 🤷🏾‍♂️...

[@laika5170]

What an enlightening podcast, really enjoyed. Subscribed.

[@SR-fi8ef]

Bwoy sah! Just the title.... Elephant in the room time!

[@NinjaTea0161]

Tuning in 👀👂

[@TGFLdn24]

Also, another example. If the message that often comes from mainstream and some prominent people of Jewish heritage (said it or just stayed silent) is that we should forgive Danny Baker and Alan Suger for their stereotypes and slurs and that they are not really racist based on their past work and should not be forced of certain platforms and sponsorship but then we had the situation with Reggie Yates and this show..... Stuff like this is why some of us feel their are issues that need to be talked on between British Black people and British Jewish people.

[@lilycollins3496]

This isn’t some conspiracy of the Jews always get things shut down if they don’t like it, it’s not that deep, if someone came for your community and used threatening language (and bare in mind Wiley’s twitter following is larger than the UK Jewish population) then of course you are going to do something about it, and bc we have seen what anti semitism can lead to, the Jewish community is nervous about it happening again, if you want something done then you have to make a fuss about it, if at the time lots of people had created noise about Alan Sugar’s comments maybe he would have been disciplined, also difference is that Wiley was using social media to spread this, so his social media can just be stopped, if Alan Sugar was using his show to say racist things, then his show would have been stopped or replaced

[@severussin]

@@lilycollins3496 Its not about Jews, in this case its about pissing off the wrong people (power) BUT the angle people are taking on this is the DOUBLE STANDARD. "Oh you can talk about black people but we can't talk about Jews nah?" SAFE.

[@severussin]

It could be an oversimplification but this is the core sentiment, people FEEL IT. Its a real and valid emotion, as valid as John Woolf's personal feeling when Wiley said what he said. All emotions are valid but why is one a cancellation but on the other hand we've had racism levelled at us historically that's not been so militant in the way its addressed. I'm saying when things are aimed at the black community we don't see this type of immediacy of cancellation, the FIRE BURNS WAY LONGER THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY when some gets a little litty

[@TGFLdn24]

@@lilycollins3496 question, have you heard about what happened to Reggie Yates? I was not talking about Wiley in my comments. I am not here for the Conspiracy talk but coming from me and what I witnessed, The Reggie Yates situation is what really made me feel a way. That did give a bit of weight to people's assumptions.

[@severussin]

@Love Not Hate Do you know me personally? In your personal life have I ever done you wrong? Please let me know where this hatred comes from.

[@thomasgoldbart689]

There’s actually so many problems in this world it is so sad to think of. Me personally I haven’t been doing much to bring attention to these topics, I just don’t know where to start. In my opinion there will always be hate, racism, classism, misogyny, facism and I don’t think it will ever go away completely

[@pattermepretty]

What I want to add to my comment is the part of the podcast that I am referring to are the comments around the difference in repercussions depending on what community is being attacked, I think people may be getting the white Priveledge within the Jewish community and assuming it is the Jewish community as a whole. I think people need to distinguish the power that a few group of people have that happen to be be Jewish and not just say the Jewish community. If you look at those they say are in high postion they are of European descent. So what I think we are confusing white Priveledge. That is why when something is said that is deemed anti-semitic you get the full force because that are seen in power in the Jewish community are predominantly are white. So when you think of Jewish people as whole what is the image that comes to mind so I think people need to pointing out people's religion as the catalyst for their behavior and the people as whole. But that is just my two cents on it really

[@TGFLdn24]

Yes, I agree but...I have seen some conversation like this sidetracked as some in the Jewish community have an issue with talking on white privilege and the Jewish community ie Rachel Riley etc.

[@pattermepretty]

Okay that is a fair point but I think what I was trying to say is if someone has a criticism of someone I think saying "Jewish people" is a counter productive and backwards. Judaism is not religion, it isn't even a race as all ethnicities and races are Jewish. I think the criticism should be about the individual people when you use the words such as "Jewish people" is assumption that everyone who is Jewish had these traits and are monolithic which is what all minorities dislike but in terms of people getting the full force when you say something anti-semitic I believe it definitely ties into whiteness and if there are people trying to block that conversation as you said then regrettably these assumptions will always happen. People need to have these conversations as it is also detrimental to the Jewish community if what you are saying which I deem to be true is happening.

[@TGFLdn24]

@@pattermepretty I agree. The termanolgy is a problem and wish we talked on that side more without it being a issue to some people.

[@pattermepretty]

@Love Not Hate So you read my comment and this is what you took from it? I was talking about white privledge and not Judaism. The criticisms that people have I am saying people need to stop saying "Jewish people" As a person's behaviour should not be equated to their religion. I said those that are being criticised we need more look at the proximity to white privledge or white privledge as a whole. I am taking religion and beliefs off the table and you still brought it back to religion. You are so triggered by this talk that you are reading everything as an attack. Where in my comment did I attack Judaism or those that practice it?

[@pattermepretty]

@Love Not Hate no i said I think people are confusing white Priveledge and the religion. I didn't infer anything. I didn't deflect, I watched this podcast and was in reply to this podcast. The part of the podcast. My comment was in reference to the part of the podcast where they mentioned that with there have been a lot of prominent figures who have said derogatory things about black people & other cultures and still have a platform but with Wiley he was banned, the police came to home, this why I said we should look at white priledge and not the fact they are Jewish. This is part of the podcast I was referring to, so am wrong to say that what made the platforms, police respond in that way is white Priveledge. My point was had the person been maybe a black Jew the repercussions would of not been the same. In the podcast they also commented that how it was dealt with by the media, platforms, police could further prove Wiley's comment, it was even said that someone from the Jewish community also commented the same thing. This is where my comment came from. What happened between wiley and his manager, I don't now so I am not going to comment on that. Also. You referring to the Jewish community in the UK I was talking internationally. As this would effect Jewish people all over the world not just the UK. Media, social platforms are seen for all over so I am mindful that I don't just think that only people from the UK would be effected by this. I wish you had asked me in your comment instead of coming at me. The podcast was an more than 30 minutes and they discussed many different things surrounding what Wiley's comments brought but you jumped to the conclusion that I was talking about wealth and power I was talking about repurcussions, i can concede that I didn't make that clear but I would also ask you to ask questions and not to jump down my people's throat. To also police me about not condeming Wiley's comment when I was commenting on what was said in this podcast and not Wiley. That is why I didn't mention him. I didn't refer to him, I was not talking about him.

[@rawpromo9272]

I see extreme caution discussing this subject, an attempt has been made to silence any debate. Well done for having the minerals to address it. Most people are absolutely terrified to even discuss such matters. You dont have to justify debating any subject, nobody is above criticism.

[@mrisht2308]

Am I the only one who waits for this like Eddie Hearn kugan ifltv interview? Get the teas and biscuits ready.

[@plv-mk1tz]

The next time I’m talking facts I’m gonna start off by saying “some people may feel” 😂 big up Chuckie 👊🏾

[@WAKE_UP_ISRAEL]

Thats why theres always gonna be a issue people to scared to speak there mind wiley said the right tings thats why they removed his socials facts !!!

[@melaninmonroe9996]

Firstly, the first Jews were black Israelites. Look into that. Secondly & briefly from a music industry perspective, ( this is where I believe Wiley was trying to come from ) dated back in history in the relationship between white Jewish labels profiting from the black musicians/entertainment or performing in their establishments from as early as the blues & ORIGINAL rock & roll era. A lot of the artists had 0 to none ownership/ rights to records or credentials etc.. Anyhow this is the same uk to act oblivious to racism and micro-racism during blm, whilst purposely publishing the wrong photos of black Celebrities in articles. The same UK to continuously find fault in Dutches Meghan Markle whilst Andrew is under fire for his involvement in the biggest trafficking scandal

[@melaninmonroe9996]

Free Speech don’t comment uneducated guesses. Thanks ❤️

[@jynx1992]

From chuckle said he’s reading comments I know this episode is gunna be 🔥 I’m only two minutes in 🤣

[@Chuckieonline]

I'm here g!!!

[@TheMoCode]

Looool Chuckie was being sooo careful

[@aboutthatlife1418]

Callum is a joker! Chuckie ' theres an article that I read about the jewish and black people in New York, I don't know if you heard about that' Callum 'oh yeh I do know about that, I watched a video about that its crazy' Chuckie 'Okay what did you see in it, can you remember' Callum: Nah I don't really remember any details to be honest' And that ladies and gentlemen is typical, of how these people move. I beg you go back to your editing and keep yourself on mute.If you're not going to be certi, please don't infiltrate!

[@dominicjosiah2901]

I thought I was the only one to peep that. Very convenient behaviour from Callum......

[@kd9505]

Never a dull podcast, always bants and interesting chat🙌

[@solomoncase6968]

For the comments on Wiley’s Mental Health: Nah, people aren’t built for the environment that Wiley grew up in. I remember seeing a video on his Instagram when he said something like “he can send 12 police to my door, but if I get robbed for 4.5 million I can’t do that, I’ll have to lick a man down”. If this has anything to do with anything the. I can see Wiley being vexed about the money and coming for my breddas neck. And when Wiley/the grime scene are mad we know how they act. We were there at the clashes, we heard the war dubs. People connected get brought into it all. Remember Dot Rotten and P Money and what was said then. The difference is, the environment was different. The Jewish community/Public aren’t accustomed to that time of thing. The only thing missing from Wiley’s comments was an Eski beat instrumental

[@DaNxFaM]

proper conversation bless

[@Dwayne3007]

The main event.... Let's go

[@dazza818]

Glad you mentioned what the papers do. They also regularly allow racist comments under stories involving the black community. Click on most other articles they have the comments turned off. For years they have allowed ignorant racist comments .