Will American Women Seriously Join A 4B Movement?

[@ForHarriet619]

Hey Everyone 👋🏾 Find the parts that interest you: 4:56 - Men will still hate you, no matter what 10:01 - Holiday fundraiser for The Family Place 17:44 - Response to Trump's election and abortion rights 30:47 - Importance of bodily autonomy for women 33:19 - Supporting women-owned businesses and media 39:49 - Impact of education on women's partnership choices 45:10 - States suing to ban mifepristone access 48:01 - Medication abortions account for 63% of abortions 52:16 - Importance of exploring sexual identities 1:00:00 - Discussion on sexual liberation's importance 1:02:30 - Generational differences in sexual expression 1:12:00 - Importance of talking about sex openly 1:15:49 - Reminiscing about past party experiences 1:18:40 - Millennials' impact on social media behavior 1:21:03 - The tragedy of cognitive decline from social media 1:30:35 - Relationship dynamics in marriage and cohabitation 1:36:31 - Shortage of suitable partners for women 1:41:01 - Financial issues as a reason for divorce 1:45:50 - Women choosing not to have children 1:48:50 - Discussion on sexual desire changes 1:54:01 - Impact of COVID on young people's socialization

[@KaylaJones2000]

No, we won't.

[@ml.9417]

It’s true that feminism is about saving women’s lives. And the rates of intimate partner violence that women suffer from men are staggering. I definitely see the connection

[@TheJoelef]

No your just a gold vip card carrying member of the “ I am a hypocrite and my gender can do wrong”club

[@TheJoelef]

No you support “ men bad women good”

[@BennyJulius-mu7in]

@TheJoelef I support men good women bad lol

[@Vickzq]

It started as fight vs men, family and religion... and stayed there.

[@treacherousjslither6920]

Women hurt men as well. But men are more durable than women and are socialized to not complain as much. So men don't report their abuse or don't even realize that they're being abused.

[@ericaa.1934]

I am a 28 year old woman from a Mexican family. Once I graduated college the questions about when I was gonna marry started coming up. After that I started to reflect on why I wasn’t as enthusiastic about getting married with a man compared how I felt about having children. And it really came down to the thought of being tied to someone that has likely been socialized or even doesn’t have the tools to put in equal amount of effort would just make me resent them. It’s not to say that there isn’t great men that are fighting against those norms, it’s just that waiting/expending so much energy in finding them seems like a waste of time when I might be better served by working on developing and maintaining friendships with people. So I personally find it helpful to try to decenter men in my life, after growing up hearing things like “learn how to cook and clean so he won’t cheat”, “lose weight so you can get a man, but not too much weight either”, and my favorite “you need to be quieter or no man will want you.” It’s been healing to try to undo some of that upbringing. All that is probably gonna change for me is I’ll probably be even more vigilant with those I chose to casually engage with. The thought of unknowingly hooking up with someone that is doesn’t see the immorality of the prolife movement or our countries immigration policies is terrifying. The lowest I’ve ever fallen is a libertarian, but then that turned into an argument about why we do need a centralized government that regulates things. Unsurprisingly, we stopped meeting up after that. 😂

[@TheMotArt]

"it’s just that waiting/expending so much energy in finding them seems like a waste of time"

[@bjhouse817]

I cannot encourage you more to make sure that you keep your life's focus on your own goals and interests. Centering your life around a man is asking for failure. The more comfortable you become with yourself and the many attributes you have will attract the best person for you. I wish for nothing but success for you and your future!

[@LilMommaSunshine7]

I’m rooting for you!

[@TheJoelef]

And you won’t take half out shit in divorce anymore this movement is a win win for men

[@bjhouse817]

@@TheJoelef thank you for being the epitome of why this movement is necessary. We need to fully divorce ourselves from the misogynists. Go hate women in your shitty sausage fest bachelor pads and leave us alone.

[@kenyonbissett3512]

I joined the 4B movement in 2005 when I separated from an abusive ex. Been almost 20yrs and I have no regrets. No arguing with my Vibe. No disappointment with my Vibe. No gaslighting, disrespect or physical violence with my Vibe. Socialize with friends and family. Have had offers to date but I’m just not interested. No regrets!

[@TheJoelef]

I’ll all for this movement - no more leeching off men for child support - no more bias divorce courts - no more maternity fraud - batshit crazy liberal women out of the dating pool - no more abortions As a. Conservative man I will do whatever it take to convince liberal women to for 4b for the safety of every man wallet out there

[@tamarapowell8982]

@@TheJoelef 😂

[@rejectionisprotection4448]

It's not an internet trend. Remember Bumble's ads earlier this year, shading women for being abstinent? This has been a trend for some time. 4B essentially means that wonen focus on themselves, their health, friendships, community rather than giving themselves endlessly to relationships and family with little reciprocation. The response is that men have been "abandoned". In what way? Men centre themselves all the time and you can see this in their responses. Why so much backlash? It's not the same for MGTOW. Why are men complaining so much?

[@TheJoelef]

I don’t like bigotry and this movement is all about hatred for men . No better then that pos Fuentes . I’m forming a group to try to get 4b listed as a hate group

[@ironman1458]

@@TheJoelef Every single comment of yours I've read caused me to lose brain cells

[@Rebelnutt]

How can you focus on the community and yourself at the same time and leave your family in the dirt?

[@RirukaRukia]

I've been 4B before it was even a named movement. Was just tired of being treated like a object rather then a human being. Enough is enough!!!!!

[@08Davis2]

"How are you liberated when you don't even know how your own cooch works?" Love that! I busted that door down at age 30 and began learning everything I could about my own body and girl...it's MAGICAL! Also, the 4B ladies were already 4B before the election and will be long afterward. It's a trend for some and a lifestyle for others. Love the video ❤

[@CoderCoder-px4bd]

Truth. 4b was already a thing. The election just highlighted again, how much republicans hate their women, and now a lot of married republicans women are getting their first enlightenment. But other than them, women have been knowing this for years.

[@selmaadam9579]

Heavy on the lifestyle

[@Rebelnutt]

Black culture

[@ladygrey4113]

Frankly I’m really not liking how American women are downplaying why 4B is a thing in Korea. They had multiple instances of men putting cameras in changing rooms and public bathrooms and live-streaming, the nth rooms, heck just this past few months another huge chat room was found where men were making ai porn out of their own coworkers, mothers, daughters, students and more in their life!

[@IBBMS]

I mean, all of those things are happening in America and elsewhere too. Nothing you mentioned is unique to Korea.

[@alexandravalerious3274]

fr americans are not aware of how bad south korea is, women get harassed to death for doing this 🤏 bc its percieved as radical feminism and anti men etc

[@TheAyisyenne]

Not the point. The way American have appropriated this movement, and caricatured it in a typical Western fashion is really disgusting. ​@@IBBMS

[@ladygrey4113]

@@IBBMS the nth room incidents very much are pretty unique to at least east Asia.

[@johnmanpls5577]

@@IBBMSit’s happening everywhere, but in Korea and most of East + SE Asia it’s an epidemic.

[@soundsaboutright---]

I think most women like the idea of relationships, but not the reality. Even feminists theory talks about it with something like the second shift. Most data I've ever seen does suggest relationships are more beneficial to men than women. I support people doing what they think brings them the most joy, it just doesn't seem to actually happen for most women that partner with men.

[@chaosprince8291]

So much THIS! Women MAKE the magic of relationships happen. Women do the emotional labor necessary to maintain relationships. It's her fantasy that makes it work. Not his.

[@soundsaboutright---]

@chaosprince8291 Essentially. Women are more likely to file for divorce and less likely to remarry than men. If the dynamics were reversed I don't think men would be trying to partner with women like that outside of the bedroom antics.

[@soundsaboutright---]

@chaosprince8291 mhmm. Even think about family functions and gatherings. It's typically the women that organize and do everything. I think the fact that the divorce rates went up when women got more rights is also very telling.

[@soundsaboutright---]

@@chaosprince8291 essentially lol

[@Joshua-eo5hr]

​@@chaosprince8291What tf is emotional labor? 😂

[@LizNeptune]

I don’t think it will be a staunch hardline. Women, the past few years, have been going 4B before it had a name. We’ve been calling it “celibacy” and “decentering” and women have been leaving dating apps in droves, hence bumbles controversial ads. Women have been “dressing ugly” and more gender neutral, even masculine with the intention to ward off men. So I just think it will be a continuation of more of the same. I decentered men starting in 2019 after my last relationship, and didn’t even know I was decentering.

[@Iquey]

It's an entire vibe shift. SB or Strictly Business.

[@MichelleWatsonLee]

“Feminism is about saving women’s lives.” THAT PART ‼️

[@Aesthetichristian]

I laughed so hard at this. You will wake up in 10 yrs when it’s too late for you

[@CoderCoder-px4bd]

You think women bleeding out is funny?? Do you know anything about women’s health care? It’s non existent by the way. While viagra is covered under health insurance, contraceptives aren’t. Contraceptives are now on the chopping block, but there is no maternal care here in America. You are not aware of this, but single, divorced and widowed women are happier and live longer than their married counterparts. I see more women regretting marriage then not. That’s the truth.

[@47shadows76]

What lives have it saved?

[@TheJoelef]

I’ll all for this movement - no more leeching off men for child support - no more bias divorce courts - no more maternity fraud - batshit crazy liberal women out of the dating pool - no more abortions As a. Conservative man I will do whatever it take to convince liberal women to for 4b for the safety of every man wallet out there

[@47shadows76]

@@TheJoelef Thank God for you!

[@candyDREAMER]

If black women are 4B-ing it, i'ma just gift out your "Don't Blame Me, Blame the Patriarchy" shirts every Women's Month the next 4 yrs. Here. For. It.

[@Chiefteeth1]

@@JamesASharpI don’t even date bw but you’re taking this way too personal. How does women not having control of their own bodies make you so offended? They don’t want to pop out babies who cares? It literally doesn’t impact you in any way. Plenty of other women still do. Just stop being a weirdo and looking at every woman as a potential partner

[@TheJoelef]

When you stop your beiing a hypocrite.

[@cassidy35]

These males are obsessed. They don't even date bw but in the comments of every bw video running their mouth. 4b is necessary for all women, especially bw..

[@TheJoelef]

Most of us support this movement. Liberal women not breeding is a patriotic thing. to do

[@Rebelnutt]

​@@cassidy35that's why you lost the election

[@lillybilly9954]

I think it’s a lifestyle choice. The gotcha part of this won’t last. But the sentiment will. I have an adult daughter who is considering opting out of marriage and kids. If you had told me that one of my future children would make that choice, when I was growing up, it would have upset me. I understand her, I think she arrived at that decision in a mature and thoughtful way, and I let my other children know that this is an option for all of them that is completely fine. We had a really great talk about the lie of the American dream

[@akinazara77]

4B isn't punishment for men it's for women who have liberated themselves from the toxic patriarchal system, misogynist, and sexist men. Furthermore I've been 4B 16 years ❤ and love centering my life around my own happiness. I'm asexual and not interested in dating men anymore.

[@TheJoelef]

obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction, in particular prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group. You are bigoted towards men

[@teresamagnusson]

​​@@TheJoelefWithdrawing from dangerous situations is not prejudice. It's self protection. The privilege of our company has been with drawn, for safety reasons.. Which is not a big deal, since men don't need us. Right?

[@aesanonymous8936]

@@TheJoelef This person clearly stated they are Asexual, majority of men want sex, there is an inherent imbalance/incompatibility in relationships they would attempt to have therefor unnecessary to their life. There is no prejudice. Also not giving access to yourself to someone who treats you badly is not prejudice.

[@TheJoelef]

Claiming all men as dangerous is prejudiced . I never said anything about one gender needing another

[@Vickzq]

So many meaningless buzzwords. That's how the election was lost.

[@nivia9702]

Surprised to see no one stating that a probable reason for the low libido rates amongst ppl my age (I’m 25) could be largely hormonal-related (not just regarding food) and a good chunk of us having to be on SSRIs, hormonal BC, and other meds.

[@CoderCoder-px4bd]

Totally. Ssri ‘s I read report that it numbs your libido possibly up to 10 years.

[@LisaSoulLevelHealing]

Thats what they get from creating toxic environments

[@emmakane6848]

I mean BPA and other hormone related chemicals are also found all over the place, so I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a multitude of factors.

[@aesanonymous8936]

High cortisol from stress and poor mental health as well

[@Iquey]

​@@aesanonymous8936this. Nothing kills libido like stress. You could live in a timber frame home with pure water and all cotton clothes but if you're still expected to work 80+ hours a week to make ends meet or care for a family, fuck that. No energy left for fooling around.

[@ClaireGreen-wd2gm]

Ive been 4B for 5 years now.

[@thepheonixfamily5356]

As a Black Man I hope my Sisters will 4B and stand against those husbands/ boyfriends that voted for that fool. So glad my wife and I voted through mail. I thought it was important for her to see that I’m here for her and her protection.

[@ВалерияМ-р1р]

Lovely 😊

[@bjhouse817]

I love that you showed your support. My husband did the same and I appreciate him so much. At least in our home I feel loved and supported.

[@thepheonixfamily5356]

@ Yes I thought it was important for her to actually see that she’s loved and appreciated. Glad you got to see as well. All men are not a******. Just know that.

[@autumngrace8541]

This movement in the USA needs to notice why Koreans started it!! Please realize this needs to be done for female rights period!! No matter the president candidate.

[@thepheonixfamily5356]

@ oh definitely and agreed 100%

[@kamryncontee8193]

I agree 34:50 that reactionary Feminism is not the answer > I think Feminism has been stigmatized as a spiteful movement & I don’t think we help by repeating history. I think if movements like this are going to be “effective”, we have to really WANT this for ourselves & really WANT better for ourselves as individuals. Not just to spite or to stick it to ppl who like you said, don’t really care. I honestly am unattracted to men that are ignorant to the point where I would only want to give the kitty to someone who respects me, views me as equal, and already agrees with Women’s Rights.

[@FishareFriendsNotFood972]

So excited for a WRITTEN For Harriet in future, this is such exciting news!!!

[@ladygrey4113]

1:50:22 I think more people are just realizing they’re asexual and kids and teens frankly lied about how much they have sex when I was a kid

[@Lauren-zc2kk]

Some women will, others won't. Personally, I was 4B long before it was even a movement - single for the last 20 years, childfree, never been married, never slept with any one and I don't see any of this changing anytime soon.

[@ABiscuitandTea]

The issue that I have with the 4B movement in America is it seems performative and still centers men. The only reason some women are even considering it centers around men. I have pretty much lived a 4B-like-movement my entire life. I have never centered men and rather center women. For most women, this will fade like everything else.

[@chaosprince8291]

Minor disagree. There are plenty of sincere 4B practitioners in America. The election is the catalyst that made many women who did not understand it flood the movement. It's a temporary spike and women on this same video are correcting it.

[@teresamagnusson]

I don't think it will. We are moving away from marriage and dating en masse. I think this will last.

[@dlc2479]

I don't think anyone is implying that all or even most women will join 4B so why are people quick to write it off citing straight women's desire for men? There will be some women who opt out in and others who don't just like any other movement. That doesn't make it any less valid as long as it's offering value, delivering on it's promises and offering a safe place for followers. The dialogue around this movement is weird. It's perfectly logical for a woman to opt out of dating in light of the political & economic climate plus the divorce, SA, DV, CSA rates of violence perpetrated by men. We should celebrate women having autonomy.

[@TheJoelef]

So are you okay with men condemning violence perpetrated by women Or Are you a card carrying member “ I’m a total hypocrite women are perfect angels club” ? Which is it?

[@navi207]

@@TheJoelef Violence is wrong in any case. You are free to abstain from sex, dating, marriage, and children too. The movement isn't about hate or not recognizing the violence done by either sex. It is literally just saying "no". There is no moral hierarchy in the movement.

[@dlc2479]

@TheJoelef Argue with your maker beloved. Good night

[@dlc2479]

@navi207 Thank you, the problem is men HATE when women say no as evidenced by the rate of SA perpetrated by them. That's why they're so offended by women the choosing this movement as an act of self preservation. I'm just glad that women are waking up

[@teresamagnusson]

​​​@@TheJoelefInschmel alert. Ladies, go into 4B mode

[@chelseashurmantine8153]

I agree our dopamine receptors are fried.

[@debraalleyne1760]

They can't care that badly about baby making if what women are telling you that they need to make it work you're not trying to hear. Respect and support us and you will have your babies.

[@TheJoelef]

Feminist and liberals leaving the dating pool and not having will be the best thing to happen to america

[@teresamagnusson]

​​​@@TheJoelefThere are very few young conservative women. Most are older and married. Conservative women expect sole providers, which most men can't handle. Young women are easily converted feminism, for obvious reasons. The few young conservative women that do exist will marry their high school or middle school sweethearts. Good luck out there, gentlemen. The new regime wants to ban porn and require two years of mandatory military service for young men.

[@teresamagnusson]

Do not ever think that women will pony up babies just because we receive respect. It's not that cheap and easy.

[@4x4gear33]

​@@teresamagnusson A large number of young men (Gen Z) are not even interested in dating. Then we have the MGTOW that has been around for a while and now will certainly grow in popularity. This whole thing is going to create more backlash on both sides as resentment continues to climb. It's all downhill from this point on.

[@teresamagnusson]

​​@@4x4gear33Have fun with that mandatory military service and that ban on spicy materials!!

[@somthingbrutal]

as a man who has been effectively living the 4B thing myself for 30 odd years, go for it if its for you. i don't miss sex i found it over rated anyway, i am autistic so found living with people hard anyway (much of which is my inability to read emotion or experience it the way i see others experiencing it) but i have a friend group so i can be social i have my hobbies my books and my music what more does anyone need. i wish best of luck to the women and the LGBTQ people of the US in the years to come unfortunately i think you are going to need it . i might not understand what "normal" people feel or the struggles of trans people and non white people, but i don't have to understand too support your equal rights as from a purely selfish point of view i want those rights as well.

[@Mme96]

"It's an internet trend, but I like where you're head's at." My thoughts exactly, thank you Kimberly

[@akinazara77]

​@IrishKGDon't tell men that you are as most don't understand 4B and see it as rejection or a challenge

[@akinazara77]

No it's not an internet trend I've been 4B since 2016

[@soundsaboutright---]

Idk. I heard about it a while ago

[@melissab3217]

I think female sexual liberation went sideways when it became a spectacle for men. There was a book Female Chauvinist Pigs that called this out in the 2000s.

[@Rebelnutt]

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[@Iquey]

I read that one. It was ahead of its time but unfortunately ignored. It definitely hinted at the shortcomings of sex-positive only focused girl boss feminism.

[@davidpaz9389]

In truth it would seem the sexual revolution was a tool of this 'patriarchy' I keep hearing about. Sexual liberation made it a lot easier for men to add more notches on the bed post.

[@zwierzification]

Correction: it's not mifepristone that medical abortion is reliant on, it's misoprostol. So it's a mischaracterisation to call it essential. Yes, the standard protocol uses both because that is more effective but out of the two it's misoprostol that is key and you can have a medical abortion using just misoprostol. It's not even clear anymore if the efficacy of miso alone is that much lower than combined, I saw a paper calling that into question based on a review of existing studies. There's a whole miso-only regimen described by the WHO. Yes, it's a bad sign but it does not by any means block the way to medical abortion and I think more people need to know this. It's access to misoprostol you need to focus on. I think the trap that many people fall into is prioritising highlighting how bad things are over highlighting all the avenues that still exist and accidentally inducing this feeling of helplessness. Yes, people need to be aware of what is happening but more importantly they need to be aware of all the options that still exist for them.

[@CoderCoder-px4bd]

Women used to take care themselves outside the medical establishment all the time, and no I’m talking about illicit hanger abortions. Women use herbs to control their cycle and even extraction method of having your period in one day!! Home births were common and I’m the obgyn would only be called for high risk pregnancies . If you know your body you have a lot of power. But you have to know yourself .

[@aj2thamaxx742]

55:35 I appreciate you saying something about millennials getting sexual liberation wrong. I partially blame the corporatization of feminism AND the male gaze. Like other movements, feminism has been misunderstood and sanitized all at the same time. I also blame the girl boss era because it was a weird combination of corporate feminism, respectability politics, and the illusion of breaking the glass ceiling.

[@chocolateprincess2656]

As a lesbian political lesbian is such a problematic term. I hate it with a passion

[@TheFreewheelinNomad]

Great breakdown of the 4B Movement! 🗣️ It’s refreshing to see an honest take on its impact and future potential. 🌍 Can’t wait to hear more from you-keep it coming! 🙌

[@ladygrey4113]

1:52:04 sex isn’t what makes us human, its textiles

[@johnmanpls5577]

HEEELPPP the people in the live chat talking about how reduced population = better living conditions (ecofash talking point) but dont realise that historically plagues, distasters etc killed WORKING CLASS, POOR PEOPLE AND MINORITIES AT A SIGNIFICANT RATE! Do some thinking people :/

[@User53123]

Not true. Lower population means a living wage and respect for individuals, since they will be valued more. The people it hurts are the rich, and it doesn't actually hurt them, it just reduces their wealth a little.

[@TheJoelef]

No they’ll just import more muslims

[@Iquey]

​@@User53123it's true that post-plague the craftspeople and merchants had more bargaining power against the nobles. But it's also true that the path to lower populations is often due to natural disasters , diseases, or economic hardships and wars, not always the slow steady population slowdown that comes with social progress.

[@Alex-ph5ir]

I can't speak to the Korean context, but something that seems to get missed in a lot of the American conversations I've seen about this is the history of feminist separatism and political lesbianism in the 70s. And I can't help but distrust the movement with that history in mind -- because despite understandable reasoning, political lesbianism ended up demonizing and hurting different types of women more than it countered heteropatriarchy. Bi women were demonized as traitors to the feminist cause for 'sleeping with the enemy,' and modern TERFism has roots in those same early radfem movements (through demonizing perceived proximity to 'maleness'). Political lesbianism also defocused lesbianism from sapphic love and attraction and onto separation from men, and framed lesbian 'life' as a choice. This kind of movement seems to too easily get twisted into misogyny, bimisogyny, transmisogyny, and a weirdly dehumanizing and flattening valorization of lesbianism. And so many people aren't really aware of this history, so I really don't trust a US American 4b movement to not replicate the exclusionary issues that came to characterize political lesbianism (I will clarify, that I fully support women having higher bars for what men they accept in their lives, and reflecting on how to divest from cisheteropatriarchy. But it's when it gets framed in more absolute "women swearing off men" ways that the hairs on my neck start standing up, as a queer and genderqueer woman aware of these pieces of history)

[@dowikr]

thank you! swerfism and terfism seem to have been quite popular among young women on social media, too, so seeing this further pivot to radical feminism is very concerning to me. I hope it starts and ends with decentering men/marriage/nuclear family, but I will not be surprised if things get ugly.

[@ms-abominable]

it's interesting you bring this up because yes, even in the korean 4b movement there is an issue of terfism

[@Alex-ph5ir]

@@ms-abominable oh that's interesting -- thank you for the added context!

[@zwierzification]

Yess, same uneasy feeling. Also, it's a weird framing for me. The focus to me should be on your growth and wellbeing rather than on whether or not that entails *removing* men from your life. It kinda feels like a bunch of straight disillusioned women who don't realise that relationships with women can come with their own helpings of toxicity - even if it's not the same as with men. It makes way more sense to me to say "no sex/babies/relationships with people who do/say____" than just flat "men". Even if the overlap is huge, you're still in a way centering men...

[@sjdess]

@@zwierzificationRemoving the men from your life where possible is what will enable growth and healthier wellbeing. This is statistically backed; women who are single and childless are the happiest female demographic.

[@Tabbimomo87]

Hey, Kim! Would you please consider adding links to the articles you feature in your videos in the caption like you do on Patreon? Also, I love your videos. I've been watching you for a decade (isn't that crazy?) I thank you for sharing your knowledge and thoughts about pop culture, politics, laws, and society. It has enriched me ❤

[@mitsukislife]

4B could never work in the states bc a lot of women cannot stand on shit for the life of them 🥴 Just keeping it a buck 🤷🏾‍♀

[@chaosprince8291]

4B isn't about changing male behavior or achieving political gains. All it needs to "work" is for one woman to practice it and be happy. And statistically, single, childfree women are happiest.

[@Highpoweredwig]

@@chaosprince8291the point is that most women will not even do it for themselves

[@akinazara]

​@@HighpoweredwigI've been 4B 16 YEARS and don't care what men want nor is this movement about changing them

[@akinazara]

I've been 4B 16 YEARS and don't care about relationships anymore - I have peace plus I'm asexual

[@breeezydavis2004]

Now watch all the pickmes come right on out to console those fragile egos

[@ladybug3380]

Good, let them take the L.

[@47shadows76]

Whose fragile egos? You lost an election and now you don't want to slut it out anymore. Seems like you can't take rejection.

[@TheJoelef]

Actually many men support the movement . We are all for this movement ending child support and not have half stuf taken away . In fact as a trump supporter I encourage every single liberal women out of the dating pool. 4b is doing a great job of protecting men’s wallets

[@teresamagnusson]

​@@TheJoelefThe inschmel is using words. Weird!

[@akinazara]

​@@TheJoelefwe don't care about your wallets or egos truthfully

[@mechanesthesia]

OMG I remember MTV’s “Undressed.” I grew up in that generation. Also we had Dr. Ruth and Sue Johanson!

[@User53123]

Just bc everyone wont go 4b doesn't mean it doesn't work. The purpose is to get away from mens lies and hatred, so it will work just fine for anyone that does it, and if you still want to be lied to and abused, that's up to you.

[@TheJoelef]

Those same women that want us to vote for a party that brings in millions of people from socially conservative patriarchal cultures

[@Iquey]

Yup. Even is 1/6 of women go 4B it will be a big dent and America will feel the bruising.

[@LisaSoulLevelHealing]

We were already trending this way.

[@risevision1080]

Very few women, a lot or more than most women are fighting against 4B online and the internet is showing, it’s a pointless movement dividing men and women more it makes sense in Korea because of abuse charts and work ethics and long working hours but in America 4B is pointless

[@kevinlee5753]

Hey less hookup culture and unwanted pregnancies so Im in full support but I do feel bad for the divorces though

[@tonyclifton8102]

I'm all for it, it will result in much lower unwanted pregnancies and much lower STD rates. The body is the temple of God anyway. As a Buddhists I would say the detachment from sensuality will decrease sorrows.

[@Softsoul.]

It will force women to make better choices and not have babies with dusties or not to have babies at all. We will teach our daughters to practice celibacy the right way…with or without contraception….further more checking out from dating.

[@ictrlaltdeleteu]

Should have been teaching your daughter this a long time ago. It took Trump winning for that to happen? Wow.

[@chaosprince8291]

Not just celibacy. Teach her how her body works. Teach her that forgoing PIV does not mean she can't experience sexual pleasure. It's uncomfortable but celibacy does not work in the absence of education. She has to have the info she needs to make informed choices.

[@Softsoul.]

@@chaosprince8291 fully agree…I was to lazy to add basic knowledge concerning your argument.

[@medtle1]

Ever since the 4b movement got the attention of non-Asians recently, I have seen and heard so many misconceptions about it; both from the anti-feminist grifters, self-proclaimed male allies, and non-Asian gals. 4b itself is not new in Asian communities (both in Asian countries and outside of Asian countries) and there have been similar movements in Asian communities for several years. When discussing Asian feminism from a non-Asian perspective, you need to keep in mind how various Asian cultures and communities operate and what struggles Asian gals face both within and outside of Asian spaces and that Asian communities (along with SWANA communities) are extremely socially conservative and a lot further behind on social progress compared to other racial and ethnic communities and rates of DA and mental health issues are extremely high in Asian communities and Asian and SWANA communities are extremely vulnerable to the manosphere, anti-feminist movements, and other toxic movements like the alt-right. South Korean 4b (and similar Asian feminist movements) are only considered radical because of the no having romantic or smexual relationships with men part, but in general, it was never about political lesbianism or demonizing other women or being racist or being classist or hating the LGBTQ+ community. South Korean 4b had always focused on de-centering men (particularly men that were wasting their time and treating them badly) and building communities with other women (and most 4b members were allies and often worked with the LGBTQ+ since South Korean society was so sexist that the only hope to find a man that would listen to a woman was a man that was LGBTQ+) and a lot of them were part of other progressive movements in South Korea as well - and the same applies to other similar movements in South Korea and in other Asian countries and in diaspora Asian communities. [The only reason why non-Asians remember the 4b movement and not any of the numerous other Asian feminist movements are because the South Korean birth rate dropped significantly to a point that got international attention and it has a name non-Asians can actually remember.] Asian 4b is not something you can just do for 4 years because you didn't like the outcome of an election. Asian 4b is a long-term slow commitment to getting the attention on the social issues (impacting gals AND yes, they included LGBTQ+ folks as well) you have been trying to get fixed for several years when so many attempts of trying to talk things out and reason with anti-feminists, guys, and the manosphere have gone nowhere and too many elders kept dismissing the concerns and defending those guys while trying to building communities with and gain allyship from other communities (most often, the LGBTQ+ community and non-Asian feminists and non-Asian gals that didn't get brainwashed by the Asian anti-feminists' hate campaign against Asian gals) - in short, a lot of Asian gals were basically pushed/forced into some form of 4b because of Asian communities' constant refusal to get rid of Asian male misogyny and Asian anti-feminism (and there were other internal and external factors Asian gals were dealing with that made 4b possible for them, hence why a lot of Asian gals won't identify as 4b members but were practicing the core tenets of 4b and why that rate keeps increasing every year). Whether 4b in the USA (and honestly, was spouted and promoted by a lot of whlte & black American gals) would work, I am not so sure about.

[@Kimmydakilla]

“ I don’t know why the kids aren’t rioting” exaaaactlyyy

[@wreniverse]

Wooooooo! FH RELAUNCH!!

[@jaynewallace8592]

I have several health conditions that would make pregnancy a risk. Even tubal ligation isn't 100% effective. Unless dude can't get it up I really have no other option.

[@annwood6812]

Don't let a movement give you a set of rules for your life. Choose the parts of 4B that make sense, but it's your life. If you're smart you can dodgemost of the bad guys. Take it slow and don't sleep with them for at least a year. That will scare off the worst ones. Take your time.

[@emmalinehawthorne3922]

This seems like a trend to me, I don’t think it's realistic or sustainable to refuse to romantically entangle ourselves with men let alone completely cut out men. In general I think political movements or gestures that require you to wholesale cut people out of your life are not helpful or possible really. What I do think would be great takeaways from this movement would be to support people especially women who do not want or are at least not invested in the idea of coupling up in order to complete societal life stage goals, I don't think you should have to be married to have community and support nor should your community goad you to partake in relationships that you don’t want. And I really really wish liberal/progressive women would stop dating and marrying right wing men. I know attraction makes people stupid but it is so asinine to attempt to start a union or a family with someone whose politics reveal that they do not value your autonomy or safety, and they are actively working to make a future that is worse for everyone including your potential 'family.' I think way too many people can compartmentalize political differences especially when it comes to relationships and someone you are supposedly building a life with. The bar for men is subterranean. People who really want relationships shouldn't be robbed of those goals, and also we must consider the pointlessness of relationships and families with someone who is going to actively work against those goals or is not mature enough to contribute in that way. We have to raise the bar. I had a friend who wouldn't consider dating a man unless he read a book and I think that is a really good start. I would recommend 'the will to change' by bell hooks. The truth has always been and will always be that in hetero relationships women have the most to lose and yet the standard is we are supposed bend over backwards to be palettable and gain male acceptance. Think of alone how much time we spend on our appearances and even if we aren't trying to receive male attention, how much of it is compulsory in our current society. And yet I see so many women bend over backwards to hold on to/attract a man who merely shows up and has little to no strong positive qualities. It really does not make sense how much we undercut ourselves to please men and I would love to see that change

[@CoderCoder-px4bd]

People are with other people different from them, and they are not AWARE of the persons toxicity. A lot of right wing talking points sound appealing ( ie family first etc) and I’ve heard women get groped into the fantasy of it. But they are not well versed in toxic human behavior and what results. In reality, romantic gestures of protection , and family first is really coercive control and treating women as property. Men don’t start out saying this, but after they feel you are trapped, their real personae comes out. A lot of women are not aware of Men’s predatory behavior. Some men even pretend to be liberal, only to be objectifying once married. Men a lot of times lack empathy and are predatory , treat sex as an act of going to the bathroom. They have to lie to get partners and they can’t keep up the ruse after marriage or whatever indefinitely. Women are horrified and their imagination can’t foresee how their husbands will turn into monsters and literally become their number 1 enemy. I see this in courts everyday. They think their hubby went thru something or there is another reason for the bad behavior, but nope, it’s just pure good old fashion hatred of women. That’s it. It’s called deceptive affection.

[@CoderCoder-px4bd]

Regarding women that vie for the male eye, there are various reasons but attraction is power. A lot of toxic females use their attraction to squeeze every once of power out of a man. The trope of the female fatale, sleeps with married men just for the sheer thrill of ruining their marriages, or extorting all types of money out of them, or some toxic women have children just so the children will do all their bidding and they are horrible moms. Men will put up with a ton of abuse to be with a beautiful woman. They will accept being cuckold in some cases just to stay in her orbit . They will throw temper tantrums and be manipulative just to get what they want and I’ve seen men willingly give up their self respect because they have a beautiful women they can brag about to their friends. I don’t see non conventionally attractive women having this sway over their men.

[@TheJoelef]

Women can be just as shitty . Do you think it’s okay for men to call out shotty women ?

[@Alex-ph5ir]

@@emmalinehawthorne3922 Really well said!! I've commented this elsewhere, but I think people really need more historical awareness of past feminist separatist movements and political lesbianism. Because those radfem movements are where modern TERFism has its roots (demonizing perceived proximity to maleness), and they ended up punishing women in various ways -- bi women seen as traitors for "sleeping with the enemy," lesbianism framed as a lifestyle any women of any orientation can/should adopt (even if it meant being a celibate 'lesbian', still disavowing attraction to men), victim blaming women who did choose to have men in their lives, etc. It's too flattening and simplistic to focus a movement around cutting out men. But like you said, there are meaningful things we can take from these movements about finding ways to divest from cisheteropatriarchy.

[@justpeachy4393]

Let's freaking do it 😎

[@정채원-k6e]

I support 4b movement!!!!

[@TheJoelef]

I’ll all for this movement - no more leeching off men for child support - no more bias divorce courts - no more maternity fraud - batshit crazy liberal women out of the dating pool - no more abortions As a. Conservative man I will do whatever it take to convince liberal women to for 4b for the safety of every man wallet out there

[@cassidy35]

Male free environments are the only way women and children can be safe. 4b is necessary and way more than an internet trend.

[@TheJoelef]

And get sued for discrimination and violating the civil rights act.

[@liopleurodon155]

I don't think any movement in history has won by dying out.

[@treacherousjslither6920]

Lol

[@star0nyx]

I truly think it is human nature to push things to its limits just to see. It is a natural curiosity but when after time, through learning to introspect you realize that limits are unhealthy. I think those who happen to not go down that journey are missing curiosity for what is within. I wish we could reset how the entire world has learned to socialize and how to grow as people.

[@Iquey]

You know public school and primary school teachers were gonna do that, with SEL, (Social emotional learning) so kids could actually learn how to socialize compassionately with one another and identify their own emotions, learn what safe communication is , prevent and identify abuse, etc, but the right wingers called it "woke" and demonized it as a kind of gay/trans-child-brainwashing. They were afraid of change because they are attached to the hierarchy of abusing their children behind closed doors and letting their kids become bullies at school in turn.

[@lifeonabudget8513]

That woman hacking off her hair 😮 she means every word she's saying!

[@rogersepeda]

Men started MGTOW way before 4B was even a thought. I highly doubt this will make men upset. Besides, this would possibly work if a vast majority of women did this. This movement won’t really do much. It’s just women being abstinent, which I applaud 👏 these women . I totally support this movement.

[@mamimelusine]

When you said have a baby by your first boyfriend the way I shuddered. My first real serious boyfriend was terrible. 😅

[@deltavagen9796]

this automatically solves the abortion problem. and it also gives you a warning about the mental state of that woman you were about to deal with!

[@rejectionisprotection4448]

You're not making sense.

[@akinazara]

4B women don't want any of you men it's a complete opt out

[@MyTruth1771]

Would this just make the non4B women more powerful and influential than the 4B women?

[@beardpapa12]

Not really. Men don't respect pick-mes.

[@Iquey]

Potentially but that is a tenuous form of power, as all acquiescing to patriarchy is.

[@ritajacobs1668]

I think about this all the time BUT, the person I could have had a kid with in my 20s was bad news.

[@snowshinobi]

Love your work, Kim. I found the (AI?) voiceover tough to listen to. I would much prefer hearing you read the most important sections of the material you're referencing for discussion. There is something uncanny about the voiceover that makes my skin crawl. It sounds almost human but then it mispronounces something, like reading "vs" as "vis" instead of "versus", that reminds me it is not human. Wdit: Fall Out Boy reference!! Kim listens to my fave band?? 💕 40:07

[@lanialee7666]

I think its possible but still yt women is not our ally.

[@CherryWallflower]

I don't think young people are less horny lol. They are just more anxious and self-conscious. Nervous about what they look like while doing it, worried about how they perform, worried too much about everything. It's easier to just avoid it.

[@anissa2361]

Kim did you not save your most recent live on your other channel about the genz celebs being pregnant?

[@oliviadiann1507]

1:39:11 this is wild. Very very interesting

[@aaa38388]

I was 4B for 5 years until I met a Trump supporter

[@aaa38388]

Now I’m 4B until they get it together

[@risevision1080]

@@aaa38388why though? Kamala openly admitted to not changing anything major when the education system is doomed/borders and doomed/school shootings and inflation/housing crisis/on the brink of world war 3 and this was all happening when Joe and Kamala where in office don’t tell me they where any good for society

[@wsysouttt]

Quite literally being harassed by younger men. I was only being harassed by older men.

[@michaelhernandez410]

They have been 4B since the 60s.

[@HappinessTheBrand]

“Remove your uterus” is crazy.

[@daisychombene4908]

There’s a bit of a disconnect here. Young women are still having sex they are just more selective about their partners. The h*e phase is still very much real 😂

[@kevinlee5753]

So they talk the talk only and here I was supporting them 😂

[@TikTokUni-wh8ts]

I blame Kylie Jenner for the early 20 pregnancies lol she really started a wave with these celebs

[@ThomasMullaly-do9lz]

I wonder if young working class males will convert to Islam on mass

[@sandykeyamo6025]

Love the fundraiser and the family place. There should’ve been a trigger warning for the DV video insert though 😢

[@ForHarriet619]

My Bad!

[@Kobebryantfan24ful]

Definitely an interesting discussion

[@Mindyours1999]

This is so reactionary an unrealistic lol. These cishet women are not about to give up men, sex with men, or any other traditional heteronormative relationships.

[@RosetteAckesson]

Well some women do.

[@Mindyours1999]

@ yes, true. Some do.

[@dlc2479]

Not all women center sex...

[@IAMHERE486]

@@dlc2479Most center male attention and validation which leads to bedroom activities.

[@TheJoelef]

Except women want us to vote for a party that brings in millions of people from socially conservative patriarchal cultures

[@ARCARC2023-jd8dq]

No sex, no marriage, no dating etc can work for woman to prove a point but the point will only work if men in power really care or men in society care.

[@TheJoelef]

I just reported you to you for hateful comments since you’re promoting misandry . Also I’m starting a group to get the government to list 4b as a an to male hate group

[@rejectionisprotection4448]

That's your ego talking. You're so self centred you think it's all about you. How does a woman ignoring men become a hate group?

[@BennyJulius-mu7in]

@TheJoelef Women are demons lol

[@TheJoelef]

Because the movement says that all men are dangerous. Also you defend your gender I’m allow to defend my . Maybe you spend that time “ no centering men “ to look up the definition of HYPOCRISY, if you need a dictionary I can get for you

[@deyana_janae]

Omg you live in Dallas?!?

[@r.walker7986]

there are plenty of men around who "get it" just deal with those guys and keep it moving.

[@LaShodChildress-ku4ld]

💕👏🏿💕👏🏿💕👏🏿

[@CornellG]

I have a BA in Finance, MBA, and I’m pursuing my PhD next spring. Black women have not shown me an influx of adoration for it, which is fine. However, the notion that black women desire educated black men isn’t a genuine rhetoric. If mostly all the brothers who meet such criteria, were snatched up, the point would then be valid.

[@rejectionisprotection4448]

"Not shown AN INFLUX of adoration for it". "ADORATION?" Seriously? BW DO want more educated BM, but do BM want (educated or non educated) BW? The more educated a BM is, the more likely he is to date and marry out.

[@CornellG]

@ You’re pushing the goal post which is disingenuous. Humans, especially men, are incentive based. If the majority of beautiful black women are educated and only want educated black men, then that would start the tide. However, if the quality of black women that want educated black men isn’t in par what men desire, then it won’t be enough to incentivize men. I.e. men want to become ballers/rappers/entertainers because they see the type of attractive women desire these types of men.

[@CornellG]

@@rejectionisprotection4448 Secondly, there can’t be a complaint about the lack of educated black men and then the black men who are educated aren’t treated any different then the men who aren’t. That is bad marketing.

[@tonyclifton8102]

The 4b movement started in South Korea and it was a dismal failure there. The total number of women in the 4b movement there makes up less than 1 % of the total female population in South Korea. I would dare to guess that less than 1 % has a high number of lesbians in it.

[@LaShodChildress-ku4ld]

💕👏🏿💕👏🏿

[@Dayz6363]

They need to read some bell hooks

[@drasco61084]

So women have this 4B thing ...... Can us gays disengage from heterosexual drama 🤣 unless you are actively trying to escape a situation gurl which I will help you I am still here for protecting women but otherwise IONWANNA HEAR IT. Assimilation into American heterosexual society was a mistake this is why we got gays for Trump.

[@Yung_Ludwig]

😂😂😂 the 4B movement is just women doing MGTOW. But when men did it they made MGTOW look like a hate group.

[@Darkfreed0m]

We are doomed

[@ennaber]

ofc they wont. They would lose too much, end of the video.

[@UKBamagurl]

Wait, what did Megan lie about?

[@miriammm1312]

i quit watching after an hour did she ever mention the transphobia inherent in the 4b movement/gender separatism

[@digthewarmth]

Uh No thanks. I like men. But carry on if it makes you feel good.

[@tylerwilson5182]

How you get that out of it?

[@risevision1080]

This is ultimately pointless, what is it proven? In no time in history have men ever said they don’t need women, 4B movement is already being thrown under the bus by most women online, men and women need to work in unison not away from each other.

[@LindseyDean-hp7qg]

I think separation at a time in history can be a lesson, to learn and become better people, esp. for men. It's better to take a pause and reflect, try to build a better society than just keeping forced breeding like primitive animals.

[@risevision1080]

@ women aren’t exactly angels? Abuse is equal for both men and women in relationships, more abusive parents statistically are mothers men commit more rape yes but mothers kill and abuse their kids far more than men who rape women or SA women, both men and women have their faults, it’s a problem women are acting as if men are somehow they perpetuators when it’s bad men and women, good men and women need to stand together in unison, all this is doing is dividing genders further when unison is what’s needed amongst good men and women against bad men and women.

[@risevision1080]

@@LindseyDean-hp7qg I mean less abortions overall less divorces completely so in some stance I would say this is a completely reset but that mindset that either gender is worse is idiocy

[@ladybug3380]

@@LindseyDean-hp7qgmen will never separate from women. They have this innate need to control us, we would never be left to our own device.

[@chaosprince8291]

I am so confused by this comment. The 4B's are no dating, no sex, no marriage, and no children. Now, are you implying that men will only work with women if they can sleep with them? Because that is not a good case for women to work with men.

[@jeromejamies3641]

Our reply is:most men have two hands! Let's start a 2 hands movement!

[@ishan5011]

Abandoning men is crazy, just don't date a Trump supporter lmao. What the fuck are y'all literally talking about; it's like MGTOW but for women. It's laughable when men do it, even more so when women do it.

[@CoderCoder-px4bd]

Unfortunately, if you live in a red state, dating and then getting pregnant is dangerous regardless if the guy is a trump supporter or not. Women’s health is not supported in red states and women have died as a result of lack of abortion care. ( ie missed miscarriages , non viable pregnancies, sepsis etc) The patriarchy actually sucks for men too,

[@Orange8hh6yh]

​@@CoderCoder-px4bd Her body my choice. 😮

[@rejectionisprotection4448]

Who is "abandoning men?"

[@EverythingisWajo]

Unsafe men exist outside of Trump supporters

[@aaa38388]

Y-E-S

[@THIZZAVELI]

🌈 🏳️‍🌈 🌈 🏳️‍🌈 🌈 🏳️‍🌈 😂😮

[@Tony-fm2yv]

Please get these women some help

[@csherman47]

@@Tony-fm2yv That’s okay, we don’t need any help. You can go about your business and just forget about us.

[@TheJoelef]

I’ll all for this movement - no more leeching off men for child support - no more bias divorce courts - no more maternity fraud - batshit crazy liberal women out of the dating pool - no more abortions As a. Conservative man I will do whatever it take to convince liberal women to for 4b for the safety of every man wallet out there

[@LindaMarquette]

4B is the best thing to happen in our country!! No mo ho’s!!!

[@spaghettiking7312]

Considering the sexlessness today, it looks like a lot of men have already abandoned women, myself included.

[@kevinlee5753]

Hey outside of marriages being lost the brightside is less hookup culture which means less unwanted pregnancies and stds so im for all that

[@ImaniBlues]

I won’t be joining. My support will remain more on a macro level, ex protesting laws ect, because on a micro level I just focus on the men who respect and value women.