Will Angela Rayner council house row cause trouble for Labour? | The New Statesman podcast

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2 ай бұрын

Greater Manchester Police have launched an investigation into Labour's deputy leader Angela Rayner over the sale of her council house.
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Angela Rayner, the Labor deputy leader, is being accused of being a tax avoider. While these attacks are coming predominantly from the right. They've been mounting in recent weeks and now Labor is having to confront the allegations.
Is it just a Tory smear campaign or cause for concern for Keir Starmer and the Labour Party?
Anoosh Chakelian and Freddie Hayward discuss.
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@davecap2641
@davecap2641 2 ай бұрын
The hypocrisy of the tory party is breath taking.
@inglepropnoosegarm7801
@inglepropnoosegarm7801 2 ай бұрын
Labour pretends to be moral and ethical, but they are just as corrupt as the Tories, it's just that you have a completely blinkered view.
@chatham43
@chatham43 2 ай бұрын
@dave So Angela is an advocate of the rent-to-buy scheme? Thanks for clearing that up!😊
@catherinemartin6258
@catherinemartin6258 2 ай бұрын
@@chatham43 ok Tory boy
@GeorgeGeorgeOnly
@GeorgeGeorgeOnly 2 ай бұрын
@@chatham43 Strawman agument!
@GeorgeGeorgeOnly
@GeorgeGeorgeOnly 2 ай бұрын
Absolutely, Dave, and astoundingly so!
@p-money33
@p-money33 2 ай бұрын
I'm no Rayner fan but in a week where Wragg confessed to compromising MP and other people's safety to an unknown actor - and that the police knew about it for months and did nothing - I cannot believe this is what they've chosen to investigate
@Paul-eb4jp
@Paul-eb4jp 2 ай бұрын
It's all happening in Stockport Raynor and Wragg in the news while Foden and Mainoo start for England.
@richardtuxford1812
@richardtuxford1812 2 ай бұрын
The real scandal is that once again the police have been pressured into reviewing something they have put to bed, just due to Tory pressure. How is this right? It's disgraceful
@hyperbiped9913
@hyperbiped9913 2 ай бұрын
I thought wasting police time was an offence.
@chatham43
@chatham43 2 ай бұрын
@hyper tax avoidance and hypocrisy are not criminal offences. Angela has done nothing to interest the police!
@Iazzaboyce
@Iazzaboyce 2 ай бұрын
@@chatham43 Did you tell the police this?
@Iazzaboyce
@Iazzaboyce 2 ай бұрын
Yes, it is - so is not declaring your actual address - it's like there's more than one offence...
@chatham43
@chatham43 2 ай бұрын
@lazza Angela will make that perfectly clear when she is interviewed!
@Thanos1908
@Thanos1908 2 ай бұрын
@Ardwick-Crome LOL he/she is here trying to throw mud on Reiner as if on the other side of the isle we have saints sitting....and you expect them to do factual research?
@andrewelderfield4583
@andrewelderfield4583 2 ай бұрын
What about Camerons offshore tax affairs?
@inglepropnoosegarm7801
@inglepropnoosegarm7801 2 ай бұрын
They are all corrupt. Power corrupts. Labour/Tory, makes absolutely no difference. Your problem is you think one side is good because you have been brainwashed.
@Cherrytune386
@Cherrytune386 2 ай бұрын
🎯
@icarus877
@icarus877 2 ай бұрын
There is a real point you are missing here though, there are thousands and thousands of people who have paid this tax in the past and are liable for this tax in the future, I am one of them and I am watching with very keen interest. The advice I have been given by my chartered accountant differs greatly from the advice Rayner has said she has received. Once one of two properties is placed on the market for sale you can not state it is your primary residence as clearly at the point of sale it is not and at the point of sale the tax is due. It is also irrelevant who was living where under those circumstances. Also if and when the HMRC do get involved in deciding a primary residence one of the major things they look at is where the majority of any family nucleus lives with particular reference to the children. I think you will find Rayner is in all sorts of trouble here.
@anty66
@anty66 2 ай бұрын
@@icarus877 The Labour Party are fully behind her so everything will be fine!
@user-mx1gh3mn3w
@user-mx1gh3mn3w 2 ай бұрын
What about the Chinese spy Lady, and her son friend of 20 years; and working in Office of a Labour M.P. . Starmer did get away with Beergate!
@williamhenry8914
@williamhenry8914 2 ай бұрын
Tories: How dare this peasant have two homes. I barely scrape by with three castles, and one doesn't even have a working moat. Outrageous!
@chatham43
@chatham43 2 ай бұрын
@william She has every right to benefit from Maggie's rent to buy scheme. She's enjoyed a tidy profit. Nothing wrong with that is there?
@williamhenry8914
@williamhenry8914 2 ай бұрын
@@chatham43 Did I say there was anything wrong?
@chatham43
@chatham43 2 ай бұрын
@william And morally she has nothing to be ashamed of!
@williamhenry8914
@williamhenry8914 2 ай бұрын
@@chatham43 Did I suggest she had anything to be ashamed of?
@icarus877
@icarus877 2 ай бұрын
There is a real point you are missing here though, there are thousands and thousands of people who have paid this tax in the past and are liable for this tax in the future, I am one of them and I am watching with very keen interest. The advice I have been given by my chartered accountant differs greatly from the advice Rayner has said she has received. Once one of two properties is placed on the market for sale you can not state it is your primary residence as clearly at the point of sale it is not and at the point of sale the tax is due. It is also irrelevant who was living where under those circumstances. Also if and when the HMRC do get involved in deciding a primary residence one of the major things they look at is where the majority of any family nucleus lives with particular reference to the children. I think you will find Rayner is in all sorts of trouble here.
@andrewelderfield4583
@andrewelderfield4583 2 ай бұрын
Lets investigate the tax affairs of lord ashcroft and Ester Mcvay and her husband
@K_j_M
@K_j_M 2 ай бұрын
No money left until Mone and her husband pay back their ill gotten gains
@Cherrytune386
@Cherrytune386 2 ай бұрын
And Dido Harding!!!
@TheLucanicLord
@TheLucanicLord 2 ай бұрын
McVey has a property in London, bought with public money. She lives in another property provided at public expense while pocketing rent from the first one.
@icarus877
@icarus877 2 ай бұрын
There is a real point you are missing here though, there are thousands and thousands of people who have paid this tax in the past and are liable for this tax in the future, I am one of them and I am watching with very keen interest. The advice I have been given by my chartered accountant differs greatly from the advice Rayner has said she has received. Once one of two properties is placed on the market for sale you can not state it is your primary residence as clearly at the point of sale it is not and at the point of sale the tax is due. It is also irrelevant who was living where under those circumstances. Also if and when the HMRC do get involved in deciding a primary residence one of the major things they look at is where the majority of any family nucleus lives with particular reference to the children. I think you will find Rayner is in all sorts of trouble here.
@sasserine
@sasserine 2 ай бұрын
​@@icarus877 And I think you'll find she was audited at the time of the sale. And are going to look rather silly.
@johndewhurst6609
@johndewhurst6609 2 ай бұрын
The tories are panicking, they tried to smear Starmer and got nowhere. Now they go for the deputy leader over £1000 to £1,500 she may or may or not avoided in capitol gains task. Most of her accusers avoid far more in taxation on a yearly basis with their accountants.
@chatham43
@chatham43 2 ай бұрын
@john And since when was making a tidy profit from selling an ex council property in any way wrong. Good luck to her I say. Why should she sell it back to the council!
@Geffo555
@Geffo555 2 ай бұрын
The Tories are just desperate. But then they do have so much to feel desperate about.
@kostyatszyu
@kostyatszyu 2 ай бұрын
so, whos boots taste the best - rishi starmers, or keir sunaks?
@icarus877
@icarus877 2 ай бұрын
There is a real point you are missing here though, there are thousands and thousands of people who have paid this tax in the past and are liable for this tax in the future, I am one of them and I am watching with very keen interest. The advice I have been given by my chartered accountant differs greatly from the advice Rayner has said she has received. Once one of two properties is placed on the market for sale you can not state it is your primary residence as clearly at the point of sale it is not and at the point of sale the tax is due. It is also irrelevant who was living where under those circumstances. Also if and when the HMRC do get involved in deciding a primary residence one of the major things they look at is where the majority of any family nucleus lives with particular reference to the children. I think you will find Rayner is in all sorts of trouble here.
@Geffo555
@Geffo555 2 ай бұрын
​@@icarus877 I recall certain types being equally confident that Starmer and Rayner had broken lockdown rules. These comment pages were filled with seemingly sound arguments. And dire consequences were predicted for the Labour leadership. But it was all just gas dressed as reason. Starmer is confident that Rayner has done nothing wrong. And he certainly does know the law.
@micksmithson6724
@micksmithson6724 2 ай бұрын
Sunaks wife avoided £20million,while living in tax payer funded houses. Google tory MPs tax and you will discover far more worrying issues
@chatham43
@chatham43 2 ай бұрын
@mick Absolutely! Angela had every right to make a tidy profit from her bought council property. Good 👍 luck to her!
@SteveJones-gz4vd
@SteveJones-gz4vd 2 ай бұрын
Tax avoidance is LEgal, Tax evasion is Illegal, know the difference, you are deffending the indifensible. The Ginger one is a crook or so it seams IMHO
@funbegins2371
@funbegins2371 2 ай бұрын
one is legal other is criminal
@DavidPrice-ml2zv
@DavidPrice-ml2zv 2 ай бұрын
Tax avoidance is legal. Tax evasion, which is what Rayner could be guilty of if she’s avoided CGT, is not legal. Surely you know that, right? 🤔
@donohirst
@donohirst 2 ай бұрын
​​@@DavidPrice-ml2zv ones for a tiny sum, the other is 20 million. Unless you are that wealthy you're what's wrong with this country. Simping for people that'd step on you without thinking...
@davidwright1605
@davidwright1605 2 ай бұрын
How would Ashcroft know whether Rayner had paid capital gains tax or not? Aren't these things private?
@craigstephens93
@craigstephens93 2 ай бұрын
Exactly - personal tax is private between the payee, Accountant and HMRC - nobody else' business.
@fozzyami
@fozzyami 2 ай бұрын
Michelle Donelan, Conservative Minister, has cost the tax payer 34 grand due to a libel case she lost. But yeah, by all means Tories, ignore that and make more some noise about Rayner.
@chatham43
@chatham43 2 ай бұрын
@fozzy Since when has hypocrisy been a crime. So she made a tidy profit. So what!
@Geffo555
@Geffo555 2 ай бұрын
Tory toffs have a licence to take liberties. But Labour MPs get hammered on hearsay.
@jstelzner
@jstelzner 2 ай бұрын
Beer gate and now this what a fucking waste of taxpayers money!
@jackn4853
@jackn4853 2 ай бұрын
Don't forget the £34000 libel case run up by the Tories.
@chatham43
@chatham43 2 ай бұрын
@jstel On top of the billions spent on the Lockdown furlough. It adds up!
@jstelzner
@jstelzner 2 ай бұрын
@@chatham43 and a stagnant economy so we can't even out grow our debt. It's just been 14 years of failure and theft!
@chatham43
@chatham43 2 ай бұрын
@jstelz And they are still blaming lockdown...that was years ago. Things have moved on!
@wolfen210959
@wolfen210959 2 ай бұрын
@dominionphilosophy3698 I doubt very much that anyone is attacking the furlough scheme, what is important to note is that Fraud occured under the furlough scheme, the government know that fraud occured but aren't acting to get the money back?
@user-wf3nn6rx5t
@user-wf3nn6rx5t 2 ай бұрын
It seems that the investigation is based upon what her neighbours have said. Will they be questioned on this by the police and might they have to give evidence under oath?
@plankton50
@plankton50 2 ай бұрын
Honestly I think this is good for Labour. It shows how out of touch the Tories are. I think also many times even if a Tory supporter knows the incidences are not equivalent it still gives a them licence to say "Oh well they're all the same." People are extremely reluctant to say "I know they're more corrupt than Labour, but I support them anyway."
@inglepropnoosegarm7801
@inglepropnoosegarm7801 2 ай бұрын
In my opinion, and in that of most I know, the Labour party is considered at least as corrupt as the Tories. They pretend to be morally superior, which just makes them even more nauseating.
@shaun906
@shaun906 2 ай бұрын
plus, the tories have prematurely ********* over this! it's not even the election yet. it shows how desperate they are!
@joanormrod4893
@joanormrod4893 2 ай бұрын
Sadly there are still some clueless Mail readers who hate Angela Raynor and post their horrible slurs elsewhere. I hope it is shown to be a waste of police time on this triviality when they are not coming out to burglaries etc.
@jackn4853
@jackn4853 2 ай бұрын
Desperation politics. Did the Home Office order the GMP to investigate alleged tax avoidance/ electoral fraud. If cleared maybe she once broke the speed limit, spoke to loudly in a library, we'll get her for something.
@davidhall7744
@davidhall7744 2 ай бұрын
Sorry to disappoint the New Statesman, but whether or not Angela Rayner should have paid £1500 in tax, it doesnt come anywhere near the level of Tory sleaze we have had to endure the last 8 years.
@esme8944
@esme8944 2 ай бұрын
Agree 👍
@chatham43
@chatham43 2 ай бұрын
@david And Angela must explain that to the judge! Mitigating circumstances!
@chatham43
@chatham43 2 ай бұрын
@david And Angela must explain that to the judge! Mitigating circumstances!
@chatham43
@chatham43 2 ай бұрын
@esme Someone to do your thinking for you?...and why not..!😊
@Geffo555
@Geffo555 2 ай бұрын
Though it does give Mail readers a brief moment of satisfaction. Before getting angry again.
@timq8470
@timq8470 2 ай бұрын
Great move by Angela, the police will either say there is no fraud (thus shutting down this nonsense) or there has been an accidental fraud please pay back the two grand (thus shutting down this nonsense). Hence either way it will be shut down and everyone can go back to looking for the lost PPE millions.
@inglepropnoosegarm7801
@inglepropnoosegarm7801 2 ай бұрын
You apparently agree with people being let off the hook, but only if they are those you happen to politically support. Typical leftist.
@TimHall-Smith
@TimHall-Smith 2 ай бұрын
There is no such thing as accidental fraud ignorance is no excuse in the law.
@timq8470
@timq8470 2 ай бұрын
@@TimHall-Smith not true please read this assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a799e50ed915d07d35b6dee/Ch08.pdf
@MrDavidDeakin
@MrDavidDeakin 2 ай бұрын
​@@TimHall-Smithtax is very complicated, of course its possible to accidentally make mistakes, that's why people go to univercity to qualify as accountants. AR's accountant has advised her she did nothing wrong.
@chatham43
@chatham43 2 ай бұрын
@timq Hypocrisy is not a criminal offence. Period!
@finlayfraser9952
@finlayfraser9952 2 ай бұрын
£1,500 for Christ's sake, not even a round of drinks at Tory HQ!
@chatham43
@chatham43 2 ай бұрын
@finlay Maybe they'll invite you next time.☺
@davidsimpson8192
@davidsimpson8192 2 ай бұрын
This just shows the level.of desperation..The Mail cries long enough so the Police look into the non issue again..nothing to ser here but no problem , smoke and false equivalence has been put up into the Torysphere
@jtmuso
@jtmuso 2 ай бұрын
Hunt created a tax break for landlords whilst being… a landlord
@Paul-eb4jp
@Paul-eb4jp 2 ай бұрын
Have I got this right? She owned her home and fell in love with a man who owned his home, she then kept two homes running until she could sell hers, meanwhile she registers the children at his home as it's going to be their long term home and they can settle into a school, this happens all the time or am I missing something?
@edmurth
@edmurth 2 ай бұрын
Nope, you’ve nailed it, thousands and thousands of us have been in similar situations and done exactly the same, they’re trying to hound her on technicalities that even chartered accountants struggle with. As for the electoral register again it’s just another technicality, one I found myself in when I separated from someone a decade ago.
@chatham43
@chatham43 2 ай бұрын
@paul She has every right to make a tidy profit from the sale of her ex council property. What's the issue! It's not against the law is it?
@gio-oz8gf
@gio-oz8gf 2 ай бұрын
@@chatham43 The Tory boy is trying really hard but his punches just aren't landing.
@Paul-eb4jp
@Paul-eb4jp 2 ай бұрын
@chatham43 Why are you telling me that? I'm quite clearly saying I don't think she's done anything wrong.
@chatham43
@chatham43 2 ай бұрын
@gio Then why did you respond then? Unbelievable!
@tomcharles8786
@tomcharles8786 2 ай бұрын
..the residence issue is a non-starter. Electoral law states that any electoral register offence MUST be reported no later than TWO YEARS after any offence was supposedly committed....HMRC will have been all over this any way...so, no win tories lose again!!!!
@chatham43
@chatham43 2 ай бұрын
@tomcharles And she is certainly not a hypocrite!
@Geffo555
@Geffo555 2 ай бұрын
Good point. But Mail readers aren't interested in the actual details. They prefer to sound superior and make snarky remarks.
@jameslawrence3666
@jameslawrence3666 2 ай бұрын
@@chatham43 yet you are.....especially on this thread!! (do you get paid by the word or by the lie??)
@chatham43
@chatham43 2 ай бұрын
@james...did they teach you irony at private school?
@anastasiabeaverhausen5467
@anastasiabeaverhausen5467 2 ай бұрын
For the price of HALF a tin of Beluga. Clutches pearls. Is this honestly all they have?
@programitect
@programitect 2 ай бұрын
How about investigating my MP Darren Henry who racked up £280K in expenses as a back bench MP in 2020/21
@chatham43
@chatham43 2 ай бұрын
@program...yup..no deflections here!😂😂😂
@Geffo555
@Geffo555 2 ай бұрын
Tories have a licence to take the uri nation.
@jameslawrence3666
@jameslawrence3666 2 ай бұрын
@@chatham43 is there any comment that is safe from your bile??? ahh..... are you keen on becoming a Tory MAGA MP ??? or is that MEGA ? (Make England Great Again, lol)
@MartinParnham
@MartinParnham 2 ай бұрын
Non-story, up there with Starmer having a beer in lockdown. She sold a house. Failing to pay a couple of grand CGT is small beer considering what some Tories and their mates have dodged, or attempted to dodge. The irony of The Mail calling her "Two Homes Rayner" is probably lost on a lot of their readers. I can't remember if that one is the rag owned by Lord Ashcroft?
@chatham43
@chatham43 2 ай бұрын
@martin She has every right to make a tidy profit from an ex council property. Who wouldn't?
@jeremymanson1781
@jeremymanson1781 2 ай бұрын
Even if the property had become a second home, there are still a number of factors that apply before any tax is due: The ratio of how long it was a first home v how long as a second home, reduces tax. The amount spent on improvements reduces the tax. Plus, even if there is a taxable gain, there is a tax free allowance that can reduce the tax to zero. For example: the house was sold for £48k more than the purchase price. So if £40k was spent on improvements and there was an £8k tax free allowance back then, no tax would be due.
@redcoated2517
@redcoated2517 2 ай бұрын
Oh yes- right up there with Starmer being filmed breaking lockdown rules, Rayner conveniently forgetting if she was there or not, and then daring any of the local plod that he'll resign and they'll commit career suicide if they decided he had in fact been doing what the video showed him to be doing when his party had just helped elect their boss.
@MartinParnham
@MartinParnham 2 ай бұрын
@@chatham43 I don’t really see what you’re trying to argue about here? I’ve got no problem with it.
@jameslawrence3666
@jameslawrence3666 2 ай бұрын
@@chatham43 you really need to get a life!!! or actually take responsibility for the Tory multiple car crash of the last 12 years ;) A vote to be poorer
@professormcclaine5738
@professormcclaine5738 2 ай бұрын
"Property is theft".
@jstelzner
@jstelzner 2 ай бұрын
The police and the tax authorities have both found her innocent you are desperate please move on!
@susanpettitt713
@susanpettitt713 2 ай бұрын
Let's talk of Lord Ashcroft tax affairs mates ...GE
@leonardeast4971
@leonardeast4971 2 ай бұрын
Pushing this one will cost the tories, especially after watching what's his name, the defence minister trying to big it up. So looking forward to the next General election.
@Ahrimas
@Ahrimas 2 ай бұрын
Gotta focus everybody on a non-issue so you can keep running the country into the ground without people noticing 👍
@owenmcghee1666
@owenmcghee1666 2 ай бұрын
The refference to Tory supporters being hundreds of people will always catch my heart
@nomnomNACHO
@nomnomNACHO 2 ай бұрын
I think if after all this digging that is all the Tory party can bring up in their smear campaign…. It is safe to vote Labour 😂
@crolla1234
@crolla1234 2 ай бұрын
Rules apply to all MPs.
@johnmichaelford3615
@johnmichaelford3615 2 ай бұрын
SHE WAS NOT AN MP AT THE TIME SO IT SHOULDN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE TO LABOUR. THIS IS JUST A TORY SMEAR CAMPAIGN
@danielcollinson4456
@danielcollinson4456 2 ай бұрын
What a joke. Already been investigated, and she knows she's done nothing wrong😂
@patcampton7163
@patcampton7163 2 ай бұрын
Surely the CGT should be invested by HMRC not the police. Considering they make deals with wealthy people to mitigate tax they have 'forgotten' to pay it would be laughable for them to chase such a small sum.
@gpcrawford8353
@gpcrawford8353 2 ай бұрын
They had a go at her for calling tories scum no worse than what Nye Bevan called them " vermin" .Google it.
@patcampton7163
@patcampton7163 2 ай бұрын
There is nothing clever in it at all. They are clutching at a straw. The money involved is peanuts.
@colin1493
@colin1493 2 ай бұрын
People can see through all this crap now, they also see Raynor as a “normal” person just like them. Not an establishment grey suit who is now recognised as having being at it for decades.
@Alex-ng6wx
@Alex-ng6wx 2 ай бұрын
Corrupt politicians? What a suprise
@michaelmunro617
@michaelmunro617 2 ай бұрын
She could have come clean from the start but didn’t and it reeks of hypocrisy. However she didn’t and deserves the same sordid scrutiny she has placed on other politicians. If you give it out if you should be ready to take it yourself and that applies to all politicians.
@custossecretus5737
@custossecretus5737 2 ай бұрын
The swamp needs to be drained and every single one of them need investigating. The dove cote should not have black crow feathers on the floor.
@kevindorset5556
@kevindorset5556 2 ай бұрын
Whether the tories are worse is not really the point, if she is guilty of the allegations (and I street if), then she is a hippocrite and for labour to maintain the moral high ground she would need to go.
@ps10011
@ps10011 2 ай бұрын
Utter distraction from the Tory malaise.
@TheLucanicLord
@TheLucanicLord 2 ай бұрын
Person who definitely dodged millions complains that somebody might have dodged a few thousand, when the relevant authorities say there's no issue. Currygate 2 electric boogaloo.
@pastyman001
@pastyman001 2 ай бұрын
The Tories use the Police as a private army, as was obvious during the 1980's miners strike.
@chatham43
@chatham43 2 ай бұрын
@pasty We are scraping the barrel!😊
@gooeyrhubarb1593
@gooeyrhubarb1593 2 ай бұрын
Imagine if this amount of scrutiny were applied to the soaring excess death rates 👏🏼🤡🌍
@sherlock.homeless
@sherlock.homeless 2 ай бұрын
No one should be allowed to buy his council house in the first place. If you can afford to buy the house that means essentially your financial situation has changed and you should rent or buy from the private market. Leave the council houses to the ones in need. Why sell a council house and then complain they aren't enough?
@wolfen210959
@wolfen210959 2 ай бұрын
Blame the Tories for that, they brought in right to buy, under Thatcher, and refused to allow the councils to build replacements, whilst reducing funding for the councils by the same amount of money as they received from selling the houses. Yes, it really is as stupid as that, the Tories deliberately created a housing shortage, just to have more people vote for them.
@jeffsuter344
@jeffsuter344 2 ай бұрын
REMEMBER the Tory MP Maria Miller mortgage scandal?
@nolslifegren
@nolslifegren 2 ай бұрын
Starmer etc all behind Rayner but none of them want to see her tax details . It would be very convenient for Starmer if Rayner had to resign at some stage ...
@tomgabbutt3066
@tomgabbutt3066 2 ай бұрын
I disagree, I don't think it makes me think they're all the same at all - if anything, it demonstrates the polar opposite - the disparity between the background of Angela Rayner and the elite privilege of the men pursuing this as an 'issue'. It makes me even more supportive of Angela and I love her reaction - "you show me yours...etc." as we all know who really is playing the system to their maximum benefit and it's not the likes of Angela Rayner.
@adamalexander5181
@adamalexander5181 2 ай бұрын
Its smart as they'll never show theirs as it'll be far far worse
@surpriserakins9067
@surpriserakins9067 2 ай бұрын
Privilege is irrelevant to the issue. The question is whether or not she evaded CGT and/or broke electoral law.
@gio-oz8gf
@gio-oz8gf 2 ай бұрын
@@surpriserakins9067 Perhaps you should get a hobby.
@Geffo555
@Geffo555 2 ай бұрын
@@surpriserakins9067 A second question is why this has been resurrected just as Tory popularity drops into the Mariana Trench. Oh hang on. I could be on to something here.
@surpriserakins9067
@surpriserakins9067 2 ай бұрын
@@gio-oz8gf perhaps you should take your own advice.
@NeilEvans-xq8ik
@NeilEvans-xq8ik 2 ай бұрын
Leave our Angie alone!
@Bobthepragmatist
@Bobthepragmatist 2 ай бұрын
Let’s get Sajid Javid’s details after he spent a decade dodging tax on income by holding non-dom status.
@wolfen210959
@wolfen210959 2 ай бұрын
Lord Ashcroft, her accuser, also holds non-dom status.
@Geffo555
@Geffo555 2 ай бұрын
It's a get out of tax card. But you have to be a devious Tory to get one.
@davidgould8534
@davidgould8534 2 ай бұрын
You mean they have been forced to re open it because the tories are pushing it Pot kettle 😂
@marklanahan7289
@marklanahan7289 2 ай бұрын
Nope, it'll be business as usual for the Uniparty. Its a great big theatre of foolery.
@MiPointIs
@MiPointIs 2 ай бұрын
Angela Rayner is a huge asset to Labour as ordinary people can relate to the struggles sge has overcome to become who she is today! Most people would be proud to stand in her shoes!
@lesleylamy
@lesleylamy 2 ай бұрын
Tipical Tory toxic story, I hope you sue them when it’s over
@robertandrews5640
@robertandrews5640 2 ай бұрын
STRIKES AS A CASE OF GRUDGE POLITICS
@Jaiken451
@Jaiken451 2 ай бұрын
The desperation of Tory Sleaze…
@user-bt8cz9nv4x
@user-bt8cz9nv4x 2 ай бұрын
The Tories are a bunch of clowns! What the hell are they doing spending time on this tax avoidance case when they are being hammered in the polls!
@streamlove2
@streamlove2 2 ай бұрын
On principle, if you disagree with Tory ideology, you probably would not want to be a beneficiary of Right to Buy.
@KeithFox-
@KeithFox- 2 ай бұрын
The Labour and Conservative party are a joke. To think the supposed best two options we have is Starma and sunak. God save us all
@MiPointIs
@MiPointIs Ай бұрын
Why is everyone trying to make this a bad thing for Labour? There’s no such thing as bad publicity 😂 Angels Rayner is a tough cookie, an excellent role model and a thorn in the side of the Tory party and the only thing they could find to attack her is some alleged (& denied) issue relating to £1500! Get real and think of the huge sums of money where Tory MPs HAD FAILED TO DISCLOSE THE FULL EXTENT OF THEIR TAXABLE INCOME, Millions of £s not a mere unproven £1500😱
@liaminwales
@liaminwales 2 ай бұрын
Sad to see right to buy is still a thing, we need council houses.
@chatham43
@chatham43 2 ай бұрын
@liam Well Angela didn't help by taking a property from the council stock.
@liaminwales
@liaminwales 2 ай бұрын
@@chatham43 Diane Abbott lost all my trust when she sent her kids to paid schools, she was talking about how good state schools where but when it came to her kids. If your not going to do what you preach what worth is there to there word. When Labour is in power after the election they need to stop council house being sold and start building new ones, also money in to repairing older ones.
@21upbowls
@21upbowls 2 ай бұрын
If it’s against the law no matter the amount of
@user-zt5we1dv1s
@user-zt5we1dv1s 2 ай бұрын
Who paid for all the illegal parties during covid and what happing to the police investigation
@wolfen210959
@wolfen210959 2 ай бұрын
The police sent a questionnaire, just like they do for every single crime, right?
@spartacusforlife1508
@spartacusforlife1508 2 ай бұрын
Isn't this a matter for HMRC not the police?
@ronaldsimpson8890
@ronaldsimpson8890 2 ай бұрын
We now know who controls the police.
@harrysingleton3195
@harrysingleton3195 2 ай бұрын
I suspect Angel is guilty Why would her neighbours say she is being mendacious. I live very near to where Angela lives. She has gone from rags to riches maybe similar to me. Sometimes I think she is too bitter and outspoken. The problem is often people who live by the sword often die by it. It is so strange that Starmer has not asked to see her proof? That seems incongruous. I suspect she may have told the legal advisers the story she has told us all. They would then say she is not liable for capital gains tax. However that would be their decision on her possible lies
@izzytrue8630
@izzytrue8630 2 ай бұрын
No, never. No matter how many tory right wing newspapers try to!!!
@ohyeah2816
@ohyeah2816 2 ай бұрын
Tories dragging up a non story to see if it sticks?
@brianarmstrong3731
@brianarmstrong3731 2 ай бұрын
Labour should be constantly reminding the public about the £37bn that the Tories gave to Dido Harding for the useless Track and Trace system, none of which has been recovered. Particularly apposite just now when we are spending LESS than that on a new Nuclear Submarine....
@chatham43
@chatham43 2 ай бұрын
@brian The ridiculous lockdown has alot to answer for....totally agree!
@brianarmstrong3731
@brianarmstrong3731 2 ай бұрын
@@chatham43 I didn't say anything about the completely necessary but ill timed lockdowns. I was talking about Track and Trace which literally did nothing more than what the NHS already had. Also the (properly working) equivalent of Dido Harding's efforts could have been purchased from Germany for £1m ie less than 0.1% of the money we wasted.
@Samuel-hd3cp
@Samuel-hd3cp 2 ай бұрын
What is wrong with you? I remember when the New Statesman was a brilliant read. This just so performative!
@bryanogrady3146
@bryanogrady3146 2 ай бұрын
Clearly, the Tories, in desperation, are doing their best to make political capital out of this, what is in the scheme of things, a trivial matter. Haven't the Police much more important matters to deal with?
@nomercygaming3703
@nomercygaming3703 2 ай бұрын
So tax dodging is ok for some but not for all?
@djoldschool
@djoldschool 2 ай бұрын
2 houses. About 10 short of most of the backbench Tory landlords trying to water down the housing renters bill.
@flyingdutchman3483
@flyingdutchman3483 2 ай бұрын
This is the normal distraction so that the owners of our wonderful right wing press and Conservative back benchers escape scrutiny of their tax dodging schemes.
@stevesretroloft
@stevesretroloft 2 ай бұрын
If she's made a mistake she should apologise and say it was 15 years ago and not pay anything back - sort of the same approach the Tories have done with not paying back money from racist donors.
@chatham43
@chatham43 2 ай бұрын
@steve Absolutely. So she makes a little bit of money selling an ex council property. So what! You or I would have done the same!
@lauracartegni2753
@lauracartegni2753 2 ай бұрын
I sympathise with Angela has ive hurd she was having difficolt situation in the housingarket . Ive hurd one of her first comments abd liked her very much . I hipe someone is on her side and that she eventually get off of all the gossip .!
@RH1812
@RH1812 2 ай бұрын
To answer the question, no. Folks need to look at important issues locally and globally.
@GloriaL28
@GloriaL28 2 ай бұрын
So she benifited from thatchers policy of people owning their home......interesting
@Dragonsitter
@Dragonsitter 2 ай бұрын
Why are you not looking into the Science Sec liability being paid for by taxpayers? AR wasn’t even an MP but the science woman brought it upon herself but WE PAID. It’s egregious
@patcampton7163
@patcampton7163 2 ай бұрын
Did she own the house with her second husband at the time of the sale of her former house?
@beatriceharris-ij6li
@beatriceharris-ij6li 2 ай бұрын
She puts the knife in other people it wouldn't surprise me about her
@paulkane6645
@paulkane6645 2 ай бұрын
So it turns out that the shadow of the Shadow Housing ministers home was actually her second home.
@GeorgeOhYesPlease
@GeorgeOhYesPlease 2 ай бұрын
Hmm maybe £1500 unpaid tax because of some bad financial advice or billions in cronyism during COVID, what could be worse?!😂
@andrewbeards9760
@andrewbeards9760 2 ай бұрын
Two homes rayner, love it. Years ago we had two jabs Prescott !
@markhayward4015
@markhayward4015 2 ай бұрын
Its OK when they do it.
@tedmaul5842
@tedmaul5842 2 ай бұрын
"Is this a Tory smear campaign?" Yes, end of video. You're only helping the tories by asking this ridiculous question.
@Dingbat-tb5wz
@Dingbat-tb5wz 2 ай бұрын
Both the police and the Inland Revenue have no interest in this, but......the Tories have nothing of substance so they make up a story in the vain and desperate hope that they may yet save their bacon. And that shows how desperate they are. Good.
@theoutlier9053
@theoutlier9053 2 ай бұрын
Why lie when the truth sounds better. Goes for all sides
@michaelshanahan4042
@michaelshanahan4042 2 ай бұрын
If i have done something wrong i will resign. Tories can knot handle that can they
@grateberk6435
@grateberk6435 2 ай бұрын
Dont like the assumption that she owes any money. Its none of our business.
@thetragicyouth
@thetragicyouth 2 ай бұрын
It's all moot - one of the first things Starmer will do in Downing Street is sack Rayner, I think that's pretty clear to everyone.
@tracysavage5189
@tracysavage5189 2 ай бұрын
I have no words - the hypocrisy of the conservatives is breathtaking!
@tonybrett5209
@tonybrett5209 2 ай бұрын
Pure smear.
@HomeGrownVeg
@HomeGrownVeg 2 ай бұрын
For balanced reporting I expect this channel to chase up the accuser demanding an apology if there is no prosecution. Will the accuser then also stand down. Just suggesting. Just asking.
@matt_cummins28
@matt_cummins28 2 ай бұрын
Surely it becomes a scandal when it's referred to as "Raynergate"?
@Cherrytune386
@Cherrytune386 2 ай бұрын
How desperate the Tories are! Try looking into Nom Doms!!!!
@fredmcveigh9877
@fredmcveigh9877 2 ай бұрын
One rule for one and different rules for the left.
@hughcaskey9542
@hughcaskey9542 2 ай бұрын
Oh dear the lady with more faces than the town clock hoping for sympathy
@colinmassey527
@colinmassey527 2 ай бұрын
Anybody investigating the contracts that are being awarded to Itchy Ballsacks dad?
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