Will Christianity Rise Or Submit To Secularism?

[@HelloSaints]

Thanks for having us on, brother. Very important conversation.

[@CwicShow]

Loved the conversation! Another one coming soon. See you next week!

[@germanslice]

@@CwicShow Christianity are strictly by the Bible and nothing but the Bible but the problem is that s only revelation of the past, what about revelation of the present and of the future? You can't just rely on past revelation and say God no longer speaks today through prophets when hes made worlds without number.

[@ED-wired]

This was awesome! I love hearing other Christian’s POV on current issues. We have so much to learn from each other!

[@NateFox-m8z]

Greg- It was a pleasure being on your show, my friend! Thanks for the great discussion on last days with Jeff and I.

[@CwicShow]

Great conversation Nate! Let's do it again sometime!

[@jvyoung1258]

I think this is the best thing that can happen. It's going to take all Christians regardless of church or beliefs. It's going to take all Christians working together. These interfaith discussions and forums become more and more necessary and important.

[@ED-wired]

Amen!

[@richhaubrich6126]

Some Christian churches have already gone secular. Some secularism is sticking its nose into our tent, too.

[@CwicShow]

Yes. The question is, is there a response? Is there a revival as things get worse?

[@masonwheeler6536]

@@CwicShow Purely speculation here, but I can't help but think that Dallin H. Oaks _really_ looks like "the right man at the right time" to tackle that particular issue, and he's next in line...

[@CwicShow]

@@masonwheeler6536 If he makes it 'til then.

[@livinthedream4479]

There is a girl from our ward who is on a mission in Mongolia so we are almost everywhere. I’m sure there are people in China who have heard it in Taiwan or USA and have gone home to China with it. I don’t see Christ waiting until every last person everywhere having heard the gospel

[@Jonnyb56]

Simply amazing I loved this episode. I am glad to see fellow Christian’s coming together in Jesus and working to bring forth his light. I believe it is so important we find a true testimony in Christ and no matter what denomination you belong to we should all be peace makers in Christ. Thank you Greg, Jeff and Nate love the inter faith work.

[@charinabottae]

While it is true Greg that the message regarding food storage has not been repeated as much as of late, it certainly has not been 20 years since it was reiterated. "Some Church members opine that emergency plans and supplies, food storage, and 72-hour kits must not be important anymore because the Brethren have not spoken recently and extensively about these and related topics in general conference. But repeated admonitions to prepare have been proclaimed by leaders of the Church for decades. The consistency of prophetic counsel over time creates a powerful concert of clarity and a warning volume far louder than solo performances can ever produce.” Bednar 2020

[@smirg1591]

The bishop over my ward a few months ago felt impressed to counsel us on the importance of emergency preparedness including having a basic family plan as well as food and water storage.

[@lindathomas2350]

While spiritual preparation is the most important food storage and emergency preparedness have always been necessary throughout all ages of the church, but especially in the last days!😂

[@elliotmorrell425]

I was thinking of this same quote from Bednar. The counsel has not run its course.

[@RB376-h7x]

Growing up when things were tight we supplemented with food storage. I have two buddies doing something similar now. I live close enough to fire prone and earthquake areas that 72 hours kits are clearly wise counsel. If some see food storage/emergency as 2nd coming prep that's fine, but its pragmatic advice for living in general.

[@jum5238]

The reason some of those extreme durations have not been openly taught is that (from my understanding) some governments banned those extreme preparation times because they were fearful of citizen uprisings and they not being able to control people through food shortages. So, to abide by those laws, they had to "tone it down" or speak more ambiguously as others have shared via the Bednar quote. I personally have lived off my food storage during times of unemployment.

[@zionmama150]

36:00 what Jeff doesn’t get though is that organizations help people keep with Christ. We NEED organizations. It’s the inn the Good Samaritan put us in.

[@AllenSparkman]

Our ward has about 160-200 attendance, but we have 10 members serving missions which is a major commitment of time and resources.

[@galcomom]

Not sure of Pastor Jeff's motives but we need to give people the benefit of the doubt. Just because he doesn't agree with the LDS church entirely doesnt mean he isn't a good person. I feel as President Nelson has stated, we as LDS members are the people who need to prepare the world for the 2nd coming. However I feel millions of other good Christians around the world will play a part as well. We certainly have more in common as Christians and need to work together to spread the gospel and hope to the world. We are all in this together ❤

[@danielroehm2822]

Finally, a conversation with evangelicals where our differences in faith aren't hammered out in an acusatory manner. Yay!

[@Family___2023]

Sorry, I used to have a lot of respect for Jeff but after sitting near him and all the social media influencers at the Tabernacle Christmas Concert, it was very apparent their motives weren’t right. There was a distinct impression and feeling amongst many who witnessed it. It’s great to have openness and conversation amongst other faiths, it’s another to practice priest craft.

[@jvyoung1258]

@@Family___2023 ????????

[@charinabottae]

While I have my concerns about the non-lay paradigm most of Christianity labors under, I am uncomfortable with trying to discern another person's heart who grew up with a very different perspective than I've adopted. Accusing someone of priestcraft, publicly, seems to also be behavior one could find fault with, especially if looked at with a different perspective.

[@Boa_Omega]

He never made a promise not to earn a living preaching love for and obedience to God . He has said at the start of Hello Saints he was not looking to convert. He also never ruled out joining it one day if he gets such a revelation. Maybe his job is to explain the church to those who won't hear it from members and lead hearts and minds to the faith before he ever will. It is not up to us force anyone.

[@Family___2023]

@@charinabottaeI respect your opinion. I am comfortable with my discernment because I was there. I saw and heard the social media crews there and they weren’t there to enjoy the concert. And although we were asked to not record the program, cameras were rolling. There wasn’t really any question of intent when there was blatant disregard for the reverence of the program.

[@jum5238]

@@Family___2023 Perhaps they're gathering ideas for their own ministries?

[@RltnspdEMA]

Thanks Greg! We needed to hear this. Happy New Year!

[@wendyfoster5579]

Elder Bednar talked about preparedness at conference within the last few years and stated that it is still recommended but I am sure it isn’t talked about as much because the church is in many places where the members are struggling with food for that day.

[@edwardsson777]

Like in most of the USA.

[@justinanderson6189]

Mmm. Wow. Bednar just chastised us in a recent GC for not doing food storage and thinking we need to be constantly reminded. I was suprised by these discussions. President Nelson’s last several talks especially his last Oct one plus his article just published in Jan Liahona heavily emphasize what day we are now in

[@my2cworth4U]

In the '80s, the LDS church did a huge, impressive presentation worldwide in every stake centre regarding this. It was incredible. Check it out. There should be a video somewhere recording this.

[@incogneato790]

From an LDS perspective, there are still a number of events that are prophesied to happen before the second coming that have not happened yet, but I think we are at a place where those things could happen within the next 10-20 years.

[@nicoleterry5105]

15:49 really funny little story about “prepping”. In late 2019, I was a part of the Daybell/Vallow Facebook group trying to bring attention to the missing kids Well, on this Facebook group there were a handful do people who didn’t know any Latter-day Saints, so they thought we were really weird, and in their minds the church was connected with Chad Daybell and his spiral. Super dumb. Someone started a comment thread about how crazy and weird those “mormons” were for keeping a food supply or storage…a lot of latter-day saints in the group corrected and pushed back on it, we were torn apart in the comments for how stupid we were, and how the pepper mentality was harmful. I left the group because of this… And I find this all really funny because what happened in 2020? Everyone was buying up the toilet paper, and food all over the country. My mom even said she had some Facebook friends in Utah complaining about “all those stupid Mormons” buying all of the toilet paper only to have several Latter Day Saints comment and offer to share some of their toilet paper from their supply they’ve had stored away. 😂

[@pdnwy]

I live in Rexburg where that evil demon Chad did what he did. Stupid that there were some insane opinions thrown around about the church when it was quite obvious Chad had taken things his own direction far beyond church doctrine. Also insane that toilet paper was flying off shelves when all I had to do to get free toilet paper was go through a drive through & ask for extra napkins with my order. 😂 Also most conservative Mormons were still out living life & ignoring COVID for the most part. We definitely weren’t the ones hoarding toilet paper! 😂

[@pdnwy]

And prepping is never stupid. Preppers are always called stupid till something happens & everybody wants what they have. 😂 if everybody just mildly prepped for times of hardship, no one would ever find themselves on the stupid end of a catastrophe at the mercy of others who decided to be smart.

[@jum5238]

If you watch the recently released "Homestead" movie (by Angel Studios) that's a central undercurrent/conflict. I felt the movie was very accurate in the portrayal of prepared vs unprepared people, and the panic and paranoia that accompanies a series of events that undermines the food production/distribution system.

[@Family___2023]

The least of our worries is preparing physically, although important. The greatest test we’re already facing is prosperity. Elder Bednar just taught us this past conference about the dangers of pride.

[@rodneyjamesmcguire]

It's rich to be able to warn about "prosperity" on the one hand and be, essentially a Senior Executive Vice President of an extraordinarily wealthy corporation like Bednar is.

[@edwardsson777]

People in the USA are losing in longevity, health and economics. The richest 10% are doing great, the next 40% are in a struggle to maintain thelifestyle they grew up in, and the next 50% are clinging to survival.

[@lynettewade8805]

Anyone who thinks the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints no longer emphasizes preparedness and food storage has not looked up the topic on the church’s website! All the old teachings are still there along with lots more helpful information including specific counsel by area. Instead of stating how many years of food storage we should have it says that after accumulating a 3 months supply of food we are used to eating we should acquire as much of the original basics as we can! My husband and I are the preparedness people called in our Utah ward. One of the first things we did is to survey where the people in our ward were at presently. We were not shocked but were dismayed to learn that among the active people who showed up at church over 2-3 weeks, only 10% have a year’s supply of food they could actually live on independently.

[@gingermcgovern5682]

President Nelson has taught recently that preparing physically and to not stop preparing like they did in the book of morning is just as important as the spiritual preparation. There are prob more LDS peppers now than ever before. It’s still a very much alive concept because we have had so many natural disasters and the world in general has caught on to prepping because of it.

[@brainhunter1000]

36:15 We would say where did we come from, why are we here, and where do we go. Interesting to hear the same paradigm from Pasteur Jeff

[@my2cworth4U]

LDS should all be praying for the coming forth of the 24 sealed plates, before the 2nd coming. As mentioned in the Book of Ether. Everyone seems to ignore this.

[@josephfalahi5982]

Dang Greg that was impressive, you got the Evang to agree to the Pride cycle!!

[@eldertibbs]

There is a revival towards God/Christ going on right now. I see God working in the lives of so many, leading them to a deeper and more contemplative prayer practice. That sometimes includes an organized religion and it often doesn’t. Inside the walls of a church can be a perfect place to hide from God. Just because we practice a religion, doesn’t mean we are having a transcendent experience with God. I pray that God continues to pour his spirit on all, whether in the walls of a formal church or not. And may we all draw closer to each other in Christ.

[@SuzetteParkinson]

I LOVE that these different denominations of Christian’s can come together and respectfully discuss these things. Thank you!!

[@davidfrey5654]

Right now 30% of American adults say they go to church on Sunday. That’s a massive decline from years past. If the statistics keep going the way it’s going, there will eventually be under 5% of the population, actively going to church, and the nation will become more and more secular

[@zionmama150]

It’s cool that we can talk about the doctrine of the pride cycle with them

[@jum5238]

I was honestly surprised the term "pride cycle" wasn't used by Greg.

[@berasautu3478]

Wow! Great conversations that model how we need to look for the common ground when we talk with friends of other faith backgrounds. I especially like how the Lord was the ultimate example of balancing grace with truth. He condemned sin but loved the sinner and invited them to sincerely repent.

[@carymorris3152]

The church of Jesus Christ love Saints, not only have to deal with secular people, and also have to deal with other Christian churches trying to tear them down

[@staxplease]

Thank you for these kind of conversation Greg and friends. So grateful to be a member of the Church of Jesus Christ. ❤

[@Ily779]

Nice conversation! These two were great to talk with on things we agree on.

[@CwicShow]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@belenharris8174]

When it comes to preparedness, I live in the path of Helene, about an hour SE of Ashville... we made it through because I had SKILLS, not just supplies. Someone can steal your supplies, your cooking equipment, etc. - they can't take your skills. If worst came to worst, I knew we could start foraging edible plants 😂 I still have a lot more to learn - when preparedness was more commonly spoken of, these skills were more common. We also used to have more connected communities, so people could support each other and fill in the gaps for others. To me, preparedness has to include community, friends, family on a local level. When the power was out, trees blocking the majority of the roads, we couldn't even drive over to help other ward members. Lack of gasoline, too. So we checked on our neighbors! We knew people that lost their whole house, and lots of people north of us watched entire homes float by... goodbye to any food storage 😢 skills, mental clarity, Holy Spirit guidance, and community are huge when it comes to survival in the biggest calamities.

[@SuzetteParkinson]

Food storage etc is so important but I think the emphasis recently has been a spiritual preparation, to have a strong and sincere relationship with the Lord

[@keppscrossing]

I love that part at the end about the treatment of the LGBTQ community; 'stop being jerks'. I couldn't agree more. Like Elder Uchtdorf recounted several years ago about a biker on a Harley wearing a shirt that said something like, "Don't look down on me because I sin differently that you do." Why should we single out that sin as being worse than others? Sure, premeditated murder is the worst. Single that one out. But have compassion for our LGBTQ brothers and sisters. They go through a rough time. I one who has somewhat opened up to me on what she has gone through since she was very young. Like 10 years old. She has very much struggled with it. She has had people say rude things about gay people in front of her, not knowing her struggle. She has felt that local church leaders have had firesides targeted at her and a few of her friends. Of course they need to be blunt about the details of the law of chastity, I have no problem with that. But it needs to be done in a loving way so that those kids who struggle with it don't feel ostracized, that they know they are loved, included, and that there is always room for them, even if they mess up and give in to these powerful feelings. They need to know that they have not 'failed' as human beings, but that they have given in to something that won't lead them to the best God has for them, and will always be welcomed, despite their flaws that are not necessarily more severe, but likely just different, than those others are dealing with.

[@BrianTerrill]

At 15:32 my mom still is one of those doomsday preppers, sge literally has food stashed everywhere. Under her bed, in her closet, in the kitchen living room etc. She like a lot of members from the 1980s have food storage that they bought in the 1980s. Its no good when you stuff it in places youll never get to till 30 years later and you have the entire Elders Quorum packing your stuff to find roaches got it 20 years ago. I do believe in reasonable food storage but it has to be rotated once a year or however its mentenally edible because i know if rice is 10 years old, im not eating it. At 17:19, i find it interesting that there is disagreements on the millenial reign. Every chirch ive ever gone to Evangelical and LDS has taught it and its spelled out in the Bible, i don't see space to agree to disagree on that.

[@CwicShow]

I'm wondering where the contrarian view on the Millenial reign comes from.

[@phillipwales5806]

Different theological traditions interpret the Millennium in various ways, leading to several distinct views: Amillennialism, Millennialsim, Dispensational Premillennialism, Premillennialism, Postmillennialsim, and Historical Premillennialism

[@BrianTerrill]

@phillipwales5806 but where do they get those? The Bible makes it pretty cut and dry. I know Columbus was not a protestant, but his view of a new heaven and new earth was the place he discovered, aka the new world.

[@Notfromhere347]

Loved this conversation. Especially living in grace and truth.

[@freethinker1026]

Having been in multiple wards in multiple states and in multiple positions to be in the know I can say the majority of the members did not have food storage and little if any preparation for hard times.

[@danielroehm2822]

I'm always leary of Pastor Jeff, but everyone in this conversation did a good job of contributing. Great Discussion.

[@rolandsmith4394]

Salt Lake County is Nauvoo 1846. Some will follow Brigham, some will follow Emma.

[@zionmama150]

I love talking about the 2nd coming.

[@MelonsandMaters]

When the bride makes herself ready. It's up to us. I like the fact that he addresses the "America Complex" . The House of Israel has to be restored and I guess we're supposed to go get them.

[@sarahchristensen318]

It’s obvious we are in the last days , I feel the anxiety building up in my chest i know he is coming soon , I feel it!!😊

[@Hawkquill]

There is a scripture somewhere that says there will come a time when the saints will cry day and night for deliverance. I believe this will cause the Saviour's return, He comes to a people that want Him. Unfortunately when Babylon is doing well we are comfortable. Only when Babylon falls and the desperation we will have as the beast will reign and make life a living horror for the saints, that in itself will cause Christians to unite in prayer and have the Saviour to come and save us. In reality the saints should of abandoned Babylon along time ago and established Zion as the Lord commanded us. If you are not relying on Babylon for your survival then it dose not matter to you when it falls, life will continue as normal and it will be of no affect. But if you totally rely on it with no back up your going to suffer when society collapses. Money can be worth nothing overnight. Change it to food a years supply for instance and you don't go into panic mode. Give yourself time to think of a plan or it might weather the storm a bridge untill society resumes normality. I have been made redundant having a years supply of food and six months of money for bills bridged a gap and gave me time to get back on my feet. We call it the pride cycle, but when the muck hits the fan I believe many will return and I believe God allows us to suffer when the system we support fails then wanting the basics we call on His name. These big churches offers ease by saying you only need faith nothing else is required, despite faith is an action, see James 2:18. As latter day saints we believe in agency or free will. If you go back to Sodom and Gomorrah and listen to the conversation Lot had with God, Lot said if there were ten righteous people in this city would you destroy it? God said no he would not, why? Because people would still have agency, the tree and Satan in the garden was in opposition to God allowing Adam and Eve agency to choose between the two. When Lot left Sodom there were no righteous people left therefore the up coming generations would only know evil, and not good. That's why God destroyed it as no opposition no agency. I believe at some point the wicked will cast out the righteous from among them. If we cannot offer the alternative then they have sealed there own doom as we can no longer reach them. In revelation 18:4 it says; 4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. That's very similar to what God said to Lot, we will eventually become that bad. Therefore God will end the telestial world. Jeff right idols do have to be taken down, good show guy's gets you thinking!

[@AnnaBellaChannel]

Chrsitnianitiy in the UK has become main dish with Civic Secularism on the side. Welcome ot the Church of England were we pray for the Royal Family and the current government, the people of the UK , other faith groups and world events.

[@cheyaweber704]

I've wondered if the Brethren don't talk about food storage because that time has past. Hopefully, we followed the Prophet and are prepared.

[@Shaballah707]

A church is built upon a rock. A rock is revelation. A church is established by revelation. The kingdom of God requires keys to establish. The kingdom of God is heaven on earth.

[@lindathomas2350]

Tell me the main telltale sign for the second coming is both tremendous wickedness and tremendous persecution. Plus we have all of the signs listed in the scriptures

[@jum5238]

If we're to follow the pattern shown in Helaman and 3rd Nephi, there's plenty of persecution there prior to Christ's coming. And while many think a cataclysmic event happens and Christ immediately shows up, a careful perusal of 3 Nephi shows a passage of years between that cataclysm and appearance of Christ. And Elder Bednar has said that we should not look at the Book of Mormon as a historical document as much as a training manual for what is to come. It WAS written for our day.

[@scottishwarrior3547]

If we read revelations, Jesus sent a messagener who shall come to the world and finish the admostration, and when he comes soon, shall the Lord Jesus Christ

[@debfryer2437]

If Christ is coming on a white horse dressed in a red robe and wielding a sword, I think it’s safe to say that he’s not coming as the peacemaker. I think he’s going to have had enough of the secularizing of the world. Our Father in Heaven will send him when the earth is full of iniquity. Our prophet has been talking more about the second coming of Christ more than any other prophet.

[@j-dubya45]

For decades, the Lord’s prophets have urged us to store food, water, and financial reserves for a time of need. The current pandemic has reinforced the wisdom of that counsel. I urge you to take steps to be temporally prepared. But I am even more concerned about your spiritual and emotional preparation. President Nelson

[@athomas9070]

Amen jeff! I hear your heart and understand your knowledge and love for the Word that is Christ. The lds try very hard to replicate sharing the love of christ

[@kimberlyclayton9483]

Amen!

[@PipeDaddy907]

This blacked out studio is a weird vibe…

[@sarahchristensen318]

I don’t know the effect in self reliance? I haven’t really heard having a year of food storage taught now i think they talk behind or you hear as gossip having 3 months but freak yes it has been forever since they taught it but it’s more common sense. It’s like matter of fact. Obviously have stuff be somewhat prepared it’s smart!!!

[@jum5238]

There used to be greater emphasis on planting gardens, fruit trees and similar stuff as well. Many people can't do that because they live in condo's etc. but we should all be learning how to grow food. Join a gardening club, swap seeds and methods. You learn a LOT over time.

[@lynettewade8805]

You haven’t looked up the topic of preparedness on the church website recently or you would not make such a comment. Go ahead and see what’s there! You will be surprised to see that none of the counsel on preparedness has gone away! It’s just not talked about in sacrament meetings anymore. It depends on your local church leadership how often it is addy.

[@HealingMSNaturally]

Pastor Jeff’s “ministry” is to pull faithful LDS from the restored Gospel of Jesus Christ. I don’t think he should have a platform with you friend.

[@rodneyjamesmcguire]

I'm hopeful that humanity will eventually move from a belief in mythology as real, and we are really starting to see that happening. At the same time I 100% support religious liberty. I'm hopeful for humanity.

[@lukeslc-xd8ds]

Uuuuuuh, okay???

[@PipeDaddy907]

6:55 wait wait wait! I thought evangelicals didn’t believe in the preexistence and the war in heaven!?!

[@jum5238]

Pre-existence is talked about in the New Testament, as it relates to Christ saying he knew people before they were in the womb. War in Heaven? Not sure of the biblical reference to that other than Satan being cast out from heaven - and SOMETHING must have caused that.