Will Christians Go Through The Tribulation? (The Olivet Discourse - Part 2)

The short answer is "yes" and "no". Watch as I explain Pre-Trib vs Post-Trib.
Alt. Title: "He Who Endures To The End Shall Be Saved"
Lord's Day sermon from February 2nd, 2025
-Biblical Text: Matthew 24:9-13
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[@M-c-c-1896_MA]

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[@Nashvilleja]

Good teaching.

[@gailwatson4927]

Thank you Pastor Grant.

[@Pastor_Grant]

In the book of Revelation John is caught up where he sees the church in heaven as represented by the 24 elders. Almost all commentators agree the 24 elders represent the church, so if the church is in heaven in chapters 4-5 and the tribulation begins in chapter 6 that only means one thing - pre-trib. This is what you see in 1 Thes 4, the rapture is in chapter 4, before the tribulation / day of the Lord in chapter 5. It's pretty simple. Matthew 23-24 is Jesus addressing Israel which is why he mentions that you're flight not be on the sabbath.

[@RepentofYourFakeChristia-wr7fq]

Sorry, you are 100% wrong and have failed to correctly understand the truth, the gospel, and the Christianity of the Bible. You have and are teaching a 100% different christianity than the Christianity of the Bible.

[@RepentofYourFakeChristia-wr7fq]

@@squirreljones3595 ,...Sorry, but you also have not understood the Bible.

[@kevtt4034]

I see this as pretty clear but not the way you say: Mat 24:21 we have the gathering of the elect at the trumpet. 1 Co 15:52 we have the elect being changed at the last trumpet 1 Th 4:16 The Lord returns at the trumpet to gather the elect Jhn 6:40/44/54 The Lord says of his elect "I will raise him up at the last day". So at the trumpet, he returns to gather his elect which is on the last day, then he will pour out his wrath on who is left.

[@TheElizabethashby]

I AM PRE-TRIB THANK YOU YOU DID A GOOD PROGRAM

[@RepentofYourFakeChristia-wr7fq]

As a pretribber, you are also completely lost, deceived, and outside of the kingdom of God. Repent!

[@Kman.]

@@RepentofYourFakeChristia-wr7fq Wow, this comment of yours & what I read above speaks *V O L U M E S* about you, & it's NOT favorable in the least. You ought to write a book, "How To Lose Friends & Be Ineffective With People", *smh.*

[@ritaschultz6859]

Thank you for sharing. I really appreciate how you connected all the elements together . And believers endure to the end . 1, salvation 2 endure to the end .

[@stellabecker4416]

Excellent, thankyou for your clarity. Very difficult subject.😋

[@yellowbird3235]

Perserverence of the saints❤

[@deborahlucas1567]

I believe the he- that is taken out of the way is the body of Christ of which Christ is the head. Thank you. Good message!

[@Pastor_Grant]

Pretty similar idea to what I was saying. Also, I received your donation, thank you!

[@deborahlucas1567]

@ You’re welcome. I appreciate your teaching of sound doctrine. Hard to find in these days of apostasy

[@woodhavenpk]

Pastor Michael, I'd be interested to hear all the other reasons not mentioned in this sermon, that you believe in the pre tribulation rapture position. I also believe it to be the truth. The plain reading of scripture, no contorting of text. I see the Noah's ark as a "type" of the rapture. Thank you for clarifying the "endure to the end" passage. I pray I can/will endure to the end. A great reminder we are sealed and kept by the Holy Spirit. I certainly can't do this in my own strength. 🙏🧎

[@Pastor_Grant]

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[@woodhavenpk]

@ thank you ☺️

[@dianecollier7177]

True Christians will not go through the tribulation. They will leave in the rapture with Jesus

[@leslieanngunnforgie570]

True believers are not appointed for wrath. We will be persecuted in the seals and some will die. The trumpets and bowls are God's wrath.

[@kathierouse6046]

Actually, the full 7 years *is* God's wrath! Who is receiving the wrath? And why? Those who reject the Lord Jesus up to the Rapture face God's anger. But it's more than experiencing God's wrath. It's the last opportunity for sinners to repent. It's also the time that Israel will be dealt with and God reveals to the Jews the truth that Jesus is their Messiah. Pastor Grant is preaching the truth. Please believe what he says!

[@cheryl-gu6qp]

I have been following a ministry that is post-trib for some time and one of the main points for their position is Revelation, Chapter 12, when Satan and his angels are thrown out of heaven. In verse 12 it says "..the devil has gone down to you. He is filled with fury..." and they interpret this verse as meaning the wrath during the tribulation is the wrath of Satan, not God. God's wrath is poured in during the Battle of Armageddon. How would you respond? Thank you, Pastor.

[@timfinch7857]

Hi Pastor Grant. May I ask a few questions in regards to your teaching? 1) In light of Jesus' words in Matt. 24: 21-22 that the great tribulation will be SHORT ( Jesus said this 2X) and that it will occur AFTER the apostasy and AFTER the abomination of desolation, where do you come to the conclusion that the SHORT great tribulation is 7 yrs in length? 2) In light of 1 Thess. 5:1-4 where do you come to the conclusion that Jesus is coming for believers like a "thief in the night"? I understand that the imminent pre-trib rapture view is very popular and has many prominent individuals who teach this view but I have studied this topic for many yrs and believe the correct view is that the rapture occurs Mid-Week. The "great trumpet" of Matt. 24:31, the "last trumpet" of 1Cor.15:52 and the "7th trumpet" of Rev. 11:15 are all one and the same and the "male child" of Rev.12:5 who is "caught up to God and to His throne" is the rapture. We know this event occurs at Mid-Week because of Rev.12:6 where the woman flees into the wilderness for 1260 days (2nd half of the 70th Week of Daniel). Thank you in advance for answering my questions! 😃

[@Pastor_Grant]

The 70th week of Daniel is 7 years but the Great Tribulation is only the final 42 months, which could be cut short based on Jesus words. In 1 Thes 5, there were no chapter divisions so Paul is speaking about the rapture in 4:13-18 and the next words out of his mouth are concerning the timing of it all, which he says the Day of the Lord (which begins immediately after the rapture) happens as a thief in the night, so follow Paul's words, the rapture in chapter 4 triggers the tribulation / day of the Lord, its imminent which is why believers are consistently told to watch and be ready, then at the midpoint you have the abomination of desolation which begins the final period known as the Great Tribulation. I can see the mid trib view but the layout in 1 Thes 4 & 5 have the rapture happening before the tribulation, also in Revelation 4-5 John is caught up and sees the church (24 elders) depicted as already being in heaven then the tribulation begins in chapter 6.

[@timfinch7857]

​@@Pastor_Grant Thank you for responding so quickly and kindly. I so appreciate you humbly stating in your podcast that "I could be wrong." I think we would both agree that the timing of the rapture is not a salvation issue, so I certainly do not wish to argue. I can tell you that I have been studying this topic since the early 1980's and am convinced by scripture that the Mid-Week Rapture viewpoint is the correct view. In short, I believe based on the book of Daniel that the SHORT great tribulation that Jesus spoke of occurs approximately 30 days before the exact middle of the Week (see Daniel 12:11- count backward from the end of the Week 1290 days which puts us 30 days before the exact middle) and ends at the rapture which occurs in the middle of the Week. The 7 bowls of wrath are poured out in the final 3 1/2 yrs and we will be out of here as those believers who have received Christ as their Savior before the rapture are not appointed unto wrath. My biggest concern with the imminent pre-trib rapture view is that is setting believers up for a huge disappointment if the 7 yr treaty is established, the temple is rebuilt and the 2 Winesses are on the scene. I am concerned that many may fall away from the faith if they are still here during this time. Again, I so appreciate your humility and saying things like "I could be wrong." My experience with pastors and teachers who hold to your view is that they are super dogmatic. I was even called a "closet anti-semite " by a very popular teacher in the pre-trib rapture camp because I disagreed with his teaching. This is not helpful and causes unnecessary divisions in the body of Christ. Anyway, if you are interested in learning more about the Mid-Week Rapture view, may I suggest you go to: Karlkempteachingministries.com Karl has 24 half hr broadcasts that you will find on this subject that teach the Mid-Week Rapture view. God bless you, Pastor Grant!

[@joshuaa3075]

Matthew 24:31 is not the rapture and does not fit with 1st Thessalonians 4 at all. God Himself brings The Church to life, changes them and brings them all to Himself. There are no angels involved in any of that nor needed bringing millions/billions of people simultaneously and instantaneously to God from all around the world. This is a supernatural event carried out by God Himself and only one angel is there to shout. The focus is on God/Jesus. Matthew 24:31 is a small event and only for the few living at the end. To make Matthew 24:31 fit The Rapture, a postTribber or MidTribber or such would have to wrongly believe that God needs/uses angels to bring the entire Church to Himself after the supernatural work of raising the dead in Christ, giving new eternal bodies,causing the same for those still living everywhere on earth at once. Then expecting angels stationed everywhere to pick them all up at the same exact moment to instantly carry those billions to God in the air. Looking at this from that perspective one must agree God does it all

[@timfinch7857]

@@joshuaa3075 Are you saying that Matt.24:10 (falling away), Matt.24:15 (abomination of desolation) and Matt.24:31(gathering together His elect) is different from 2Thess.2:3 (apostasy and the man of lawlessness being revealed) and 2Thess.2:1 (gathering together to Him) are not one and the same? I also contend that the "great trumpet" of Matt.24:31, the "last trumpet" of 1Cor.15:52 and the "7th trumpet" of Rev.11:15 are one and the same. I understand that those who hold to and teach a "imminent pre-trib" rapture belief are good solid Christians who love the Lord. They are my brothers and sisters and I listen to and learn much from them. I am an old guy who has been a Christian since 1978 and have studied this topic since the early 1980's and am currently teaching a Mid-Week Rapture class. Many in my class who held strongly to the "imminent pre-trib" rapture view (including my pastor) have come to see that this view was incorrect and have changed to a Mid-Week rapture view. I would be interested in your thoughts on the scriptures I laid out. Thx in advance!

[@joshuaa3075]

@ glossing over what I wrote to you previously tells me that you refuse to accept what I wrote pointing to scripture. Therefore, You contend that God will use angels at the rapture and there must be many of them to boot. That isn’t what 1st Thessalonians says at all The last trumpet is not the 7th trumpet of revelation. That is a wrath judgement and it is handed to an angel to sound. The Apostle Paul referenced either the trumpets sounding when the Israelite camp was to move or the last of a series of trumpets when an army was to get up, prepare to move out and finally to leave and/or could be at the Feast of Trumpets. Regardless, The Lord’s trumpet is sounded by The Lord Jesus’ Church will be raptured before Matthew 24:9. That point was mentioned by the great Bible teacher Reverend Dr. J. Vernon McGee. Post Tribbers disbelieve that saying worldwide persecution and killing is not the Jews that the verse/Jesus speaks about but The Church. But The Church did not exist until Acts chapter 2. Look at the news in 2024, 2025 and see that Jewish people, around the world, are experiencing frequent attacks and massive demonstrations against them ever since Gaza. Demonstrations and attacks are getting worse and Jewish people realize this is only the beginning. Some are fleeing their countries heading to Israel. As McGee stated, Jesus’ church would stand against worldwide killing of Jewish people if they were not raptured beforehand. Post Tribs also NEVER accept Rev. Chapter 5 as proof that The Church is bodily in heaven and representatives are around God’s throne even before the tribulation seals are opened. Post Tribs do not want to read that the 24 sing about their own redemption by His blood, talk about a much larger group they belong in, wear fine white linen and crowns of gold. Gold crowns which only The Church is promised as rewards and John recognized them for John did not ask who they were. There is more evidence in the chapter as well. (Read ch. 5 in the KJV. Most other translations use different source text. For more detail watch - John Niemela - 24 Elders and The Rapture: Revelation 5 ) Many post trib believers, which you likely fall in that camp, also believe the raptured church is The great multitude in Rev. chapter 7 But they are not recognized by John who turns to an elder to explain them. This is very important! Nobody John knew from the early church waved at/was noticed by John The Revelator/beloved Disciple. People like Phillip the Evangelist, Timothy, Silas, the woman at the well, Mary, Mary mother of Jesus, the disciples, Gaius and thousands of other early Church members that John The Apostle knew did not wave at John because they were not in this Great multitude of Rev. Ch. 7. Had John seen anyone in that group from The Church, John would not have asked who they were! Furthermore, The ch. 7 Great Multitude is not the church because none of them have gold crowns. Chapter 7 explained how the Tribulation great multitude suffered and we can clearly understand this happens after The Church was/is raptured. Notice also how the great multitude comes immediately after the description of the 144,000. In context this likely signifies what the 144k will do/did. Which is evangelize the world after the Rapture.

[@jefffeix8576]

The HE that is taken out of the way BEFORE the lawless one can be revealed is the HOLY SPIRIT. He will be taken OUT of the way when the be,ievere are "caught up together "; so NO BELIEVERS WILL NOT BE HERE FOR THE TRIBULATION.

[@MyHome7_Carla]

The restrainer is the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit dwells in the true believers /the Bride of Christ. God the Father is not removed. But The Holy Spirit who dwells in the Bride of Christ is removed when the Bride is removed. If the Holy Spirit is not the restrainer, then please explain who the restrainer is.

[@Pastor_Grant]

I agree, I expressed that same view in this sermon, did you not listen to the whole thing? What's the time stamp in the sermon that made you think I was teaching something different?

[@MyHome7_Carla]

​@@Pastor_Grant about 11:20 I am actually still watching it but I wanted to comment before I forgot, lol. I'm getting ready for my Bible Study class so I'm not able to finish straight through. I live my life that way, lol! I apologize if I misunderstood your explanation on that. I'm glad we agree and am looking forward to watching the rest after Bible study today. God bless you and MARANATHA!! ☝🏼✝️✈️

[@GG1-k6h]

Thank you, Pastor. My belief is simple. My God would not abuse his children. He took Noah. He took a little while he took lot and I think that was mostly due to Abraham. He’s not going to pour out his wrath on his followers his real followers I don’t believe it. He’s not a child Abuser. They are happening they will happen. They just get worse. They’ve been happening. I don’t understand why people don’t understand that.😆

[@timfinch7857]

It is disappointing to hear Christians accuse God of being a "child abuser" if they don't get their "imminent pre-trib" rapture. I believe this horrible statement was started by Tim LaHaye who created the "Left Behind" series. What then do you say to Paul, Peter, James and countless believers who have died horrible deaths for the cause of Christ for the last 2000 yrs? Was God a "child abuser" for allowing believers to suffer for the faith? For the record, I believe the Bible teaches a mid-week rapture that occurs AFTER the apostasy, AFTER the abomination of desolation and AFTER the SHORT great tribulation exactly like Jesus spoke of in Matt. 24:9-31. In 2Thess2:1-5, Paul agrees with Jesus stating that the "gathering together to Him" (rapture) will not occur until the "apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed." I also contend that the "great trumpet" of Matt. 24:31 is the same "last trumpet " of 1Cor. 15:52 and the same "7th trumpet " of Rev. 11:15. The "imminent pre-trib" rapture view is unbiblical, unnatural and is a very dangerous teaching. It is setting believers up for a huge disappointment and possibly falling away from the faith if they don't get their way. I understand that the "imminent pre-trib " doctrine is extremely popular and that it is tough to compete with but I suggest you study scripture for yourself and get this right. Just like the prosperity gospel of today, the "imminent pre-trib " rapture view tickles the flesh and ears of believers and (as I said) is hard to compete with. I would be happy to have a deeper conversation with you on this topic if you wish. God bless.

[@RepentofYourFakeChristia-wr7fq]

And the truth is simple, your god is NOT the God of the Bible!

[@RepentofYourFakeChristia-wr7fq]

@@timfinch7857 ,....You also have a different god and a different christianity than the God and Christianity of the Bible. Repent!

[@Anthony-ix3rp]

Tribulation and Wrath are 2 different periods in Daniel's final week. Nowhere in Bible does it say the Tribulation is 7 years long. 2 Thess Ch 2 explicitly announces what happens prior to the day of the Lord which is the Rapture , Resurrection and Wrath of God. 7 Pretrib Problems. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rqi7oICEpbSbpdUsi=11ISqRyPLzORNW3Y

[@Pastor_Grant]

Daniel's 70th week is where you get 7 years, and while I can see the distinction between tribulation and wrath Jesus gave us the book of Revelation to make this all clear. John is caught up in chapter 4 where he sees the church in heaven as represented by the 24 elders. Almost all commentators agree the 24 elders represent the church, so if the church is in heaven in chapters 4-5 and the tribulation begins in chapter 6 that only means one thing - pre-trib. This is also what you see in 1 Thes 4, the rapture is in chapter 4, before the tribulation / day of the Lord in chapter 5. 2 Thes 2 mentions the apostacy must take place first before the rapture, which is does, then the rapture, then the man of sin is revealed. It all fits.

[@kimlatta9433]

What is the purpose of the Tribulation?

[@Anthony-ix3rp]

@@Pastor_GrantThanks for your reply. I am well aware of where 7 years comes from and also aware that 7 years is broken up in scripture. Revelation 6:16,17 explicitly states when the Wrath falls on the Earth. The “ Day of the Lord ” takes place when the church is removed. The faithful bride, the faithful church is literally amputated, taken out of here. When that happens then God pours out His wrath. This is the “Day of Yahweh”, the “Day of the Lord ”.[ J Prasch] "Let he who has wisdom count the number of the beast " , suggests the church will witness the revealing of the A/C. I want to know who he is ! So,I can argue Revelation also makes the case for a Prewrath or Intraseal Rapture[ between 6 and 7th Seals.] In my early years as a Christian, all we knew was generally a Pretrib Rapture nothing else.This position has changed as the veil goes up. So popular stances on subjects can be less accepted in time. I know many commentators who hold to the 24 Elders representing 12 Tribes and 12 Apostles. May I leave you with this quote from Dr Alan Kurschner in respect of 24 Elders. """"" The pretrib interpretation is subjective to claim that the elders represent the church. The lack of an instance of a rapture in Revelation 4-5 and the explicit result of a rapture in Revelation 7 shows that the prewrath position is the most natural one, while pretribulationism reads way too much into their passage. For the sake of the argument, let’s say the elders do represent the church (even though there is no hint of it in Rev. 4-5), it does not follow that the rapture had already taken place in the vision of Revelation 4-5. If anything it would show that the rapture does not take place before the depiction of the scene in Revelation 4-5, since the redeemed people of God are absent in that heavenly scene.] """"

[@Beloved78]

Watched that 7 Problems with Pre Trib video - Absolutely excellent!

[@Anthony-ix3rp]

@@Beloved78 Yes, well produced !

[@user-vc4mp6el1g]

I just finished studying Theology I and II at The Masters University. I went into it thinking premil was right, but came out completely opposed to it. You have to believe so many (imo) crazy things in order for it to make sense. Ironically, my church/elders are premil, my best friends are postmil, and I'm amil. What a combination lol.

[@TimFarish]

Welcome to the world of eschatology lol😅

[@TimFarish]

The most important thing to remember is salvation is not based on pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib, pre-mil, post-mil or amil but only on believing that Christ was crucified for our sins, was placed in a grave and was raised on the third day paying the price for our sins. And by confessing that, we are saved per Romans 10:9-10.

[@user-vc4mp6el1g]

@TimFarish Respectfully, all my friends say the same thing. And I agree. But I also disagree with my friends. What people believe matters because it completely changes our Theology downstream. Take original sin for example. Depending on what we believe (Adam sinned, Adam represented us, we sinned in Adam, etc), it completely changes our Theology downstream. I think non-salvific issues are very important, and we need to stop using the verse that talks about not bickering amongst ourselves as a cop-out for being content with believing bad Theology. :/ I like conversations like this

[@Pastor_Grant]

Master's is pre trib pre mil, at least John MacArthur and Grace Community Church is. In the book of Revelation John is caught up where he sees the church in heaven as represented by the 24 elders. Almost all commentators agree the 24 elders represent the church, so if the church is in heaven in chapters 4-5 and the tribulation begins in chapter 6 that only means one thing - pre-trib. This is what you see in 1 Thes 4, the rapture is in chapter 4, before the tribulation / day of the Lord in chapter 5.

[@TimFarish]

@@user-vc4mp6el1g i am 66 and was born again at age 8. Brought up in SBC church. I started teaching youth in 1981 and have continued teaching for 40 years. I have been through many years of teaching all levels of new born Christians. I have studied Bible prophecies for many years. I am a firm believer in pre-trib rapture and the pre-millennial return of Christ to rule the world for a literal 1000 years as is stated in Revelation 20. I cannot understand how many can spiritualize that chapter. I read many years ago the if the scripture makes plain sense don’t look for any other sense. I’m not saying that there aren’t allegories in the scripture because we know there are. What I am trying to say is the scripture makes it clear when allegories are used. It does not mean we can arbitrarily say a scripture is allegory.

[@sonjapiot1819]

Why do we assume that this is a physical temple made from hands? When Jesus states Peter is the rock he is building his temple from living stones not a building

[@Pastor_Grant]

In the NT our body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, but presumably the man of sin is not going to sit in my body and demand to be worshipped as God. I don't "assume" I just take prophecy literal unless there is a reason not to. Nothing in the text suggests its non-literal.

[@petergouvignon8048]

No they went through the tribulation 2000years ago 🎉

[@Pastor_Grant]

Except Jesus never came back and that wasn't the worst time of tribulation the world had ever seen. Other than that I agree.

[@jefffeix8576]

The HE that is taken out of the way BEFORE the lawless one can be revealed is the HOLY SPIRIT. He will be taken OUT of the way when the be,ievere are "caught up together "; so NO BELIEVERS WILL NOT BE HERE FOR THE TRIBULATION.

[@Pastor_Grant]

@@jefffeix8576 I agree which is what I said in the sermon.

[@Kman.]

The Spirit is removed, _ONLY_ by way of the church, yet the Spirit remains.