Will The Archons (And Neuvillette) Help the Tsaritsa Fight Celestia? [Genshin Lore Theory]

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[@andreivulpescu503]

Not entirely sure if the interruptions in Nahida's portion were intentional, but if they were it's a nice nod to her Archon Quest.

[@sightseek3r]

I'm inclined to believe it was unintentional, or at least I don't think there's any meaning behind it. It wouldn't be the only video where she left recording mistakes in

[@unit03]

nahida was editing this video

[@OfficialFo]

im very certain it was intentional

[@kamicokrolock]

Given some of the new lore drop in part 2 of Hoyo's other game HI3 I am even more convinced that Teyvat is a bubble universe and that the "Heavenly Principles" is actually the least of our problems.

[@solokingsknight6030]

I started playing HSR and watch some honkai lore in a nutshell, made me wonder if the heavenly principles are directly attacking any foreign alien that was suppose to be for the humanity of Teyvat to deal with behind the scenes, there are few existing foreign enemies that don't belong to Teyvat that have so lived, and those manage to exist only because someone from Teyvat allowed their existance to come, If Teyvat are finally free from the clutches of the Heavenly principles, will the other universes start entering Teyvat's universe with a bad intention interference, unlike the travelling twin sibling we play as in the story.

[@GuyWithAnAmazingHat]

The main theme of Genshin is Dreams and the main message is along the lines of "gods should step down so that humans can gain responsibility and/or freedom for themselves". And Celestia is actually the one pushing this message, they created the Vision system so that humans can dream so big that they can one day defy Destiny/ Heavenly Principles and gain freedom for themselves. And in order to do this, they have to truly become an obstacle for civilisation, Celestia has to be such an overwhelming force worth defying and overcoming that humanity will reach for the dreams and mature for themselves. Celestia will take on each civilisation with full force, anyone who wishes to over come Destiny will be met with the full power of Celestia, and if they fail, civilisations will be destroyed; They will become ruins and legends for the following cycles to learn from and to sprout even bigger dreams to overcome Destiny. This is what the Samsara is, cycles of civilisations being born, dying and being reborn, the Buddhist Karmic cycle where Desire leads to Attachment, which leads to Suffering, this is the nature of humanity. One day humans will break this cycle and achieve Enlightenment, ending the Samsara and overthrowing Destiny/ Heavenly Principles. Gnosis, Visions, all of them are simply tools used by Celestia to push the people of Teyvat to reach higher, have bigger dreams and one day defeat Destiny. These objects have no inherent value themselves, the true power comes from the wielder's dreams, desires and ambitions. In fact there's a twist to the entire thing, having dreams means you have attached your life to a certain goal, you have created your own Destiny; You have literally fallen straight into the hands of the Heavenly Principles, they wanted you to overcome them with your dreams, it is exactly what they wanted. This presents a really unexpected conclusion, if dreams = Destiny, then the only way to defeat Destiny is to not have dreams, which actually is what Enlightenment is, to have no desires so that you are not attached to anything, and thus no suffering. It's why Buddhist monks abstain from everything, to try and lose all attachment, Buddha even gave up food and detached himself from mortality, I'm not sure if this is where Genshin is going, but it has already been touched on in Sumeru's Buddhist themes. Whatever the outcome is, I'm sure it will take all of Teyvat, all 7 regions and their Archons and Dragons to unite against Celestia; And they will all channel their collective dreams into the Traveler in order to overcome Celestia's dream.

[@captainvalourous6668]

"The Gods should step down so that Humanity can gain responsibility and/or freedom for themselves." From what I see the Genshin's theme of Humanity deviating from the Gods in order to evolve must've been taken notes from Fate Series when the Hoyoverse was making the game's story. Just in case you didnt long story short in the Fate Universe, Humanity was once goverened by the Mythological Gods that we know in an era known as the Age of Gods but after Earth was attacked by an alien starship called the Velber the power of the Gods waned while their Human subjects rose which kickstarted the Age of Men and as the Age of Men goes the King of Heroes, Gilgamesh saw a future where one day through a series of trials and tribulations Humanity will evolve into a powerful race and outlive Planet Earth itself by ascending into the Stars in an Era called the Age of Wills.

[@Super-Godzilla99]

the only reason i see at this point why the arcons would want war with celestia and the fatui is because of the traveller, i just can imagine that the traveller would want war with celestia because they done something horrible too the sibling. also no matter what, the traveller would never ever side with the fatui, and with him no arcon would side with them at this point in time. ei is the only arcon i see at this point that are against celestia, because celestia is the reason her sister makoto is dead. neuvilette is also against celestia at this point because the heavenly prinzipals defeated the dragons and stole the power from the too create the gnosis. he also hates the arcons, reason is he thinks they use the gnosis given too them, but actualy don`t know that the arcons doesn`t need the gnosis. ei was strong even before given the gnosis and became an arcon, zhongli never needed it for the same reasons. nahida too doesn`t need the gnosis because she only cares about the irminsul, and venti is the only wildcard i see, he never sayed anything about his opinion openly. the fire and ice arcon we doesn`t know at this point so i can`t say nothing about them. even the ice arcon could be surpressed by the fatui at this point the same nahida was in sumeru. we just don`t know them yet and we also don`t know what venti really wants. 3 arcons out in the blue we don`t know about there intentions, the other 3 we know at this point, the hydro doesn`t exist at this point in time. the geo is on no clear side at this point. the electro has one side and that is the side against celestia and the fatui. ei doesn`t openly express that she is against celestia because she knows that this would be fatal too the people of inazuma and inazuma itself, but she also knows that celestia is the reason makoto died in the first place. thats why the only reason i see them going against celestia openly is the traveller. the fatui is another enemy at this point for the traveller. and if the traveller doesn`t want too go too war with celestia there would be no way the arcons we know and neuvilette would go against it. the traveller is openly against the fatui so the arcons at this point are too. the traveller will deside what way teyvat will go, because all the arcons and most humans are on his/her side not on any other side. and if the traveller will go against celestia the whole of teyvat will too. at this point in time the fatui/ tsaritsas lost the battle, because they made the traveller there enemy. the traveller is the main focus point, he/she makes friends with all of teyvat and what ever will happen in the future teyvat will side with the traveller in the end.

[@Dinosaurs580]

This is what led-

[@alicesr]

i thought i was tripping 😭

[@lightshinichi8056]

Since she was talking about Nahida when this happened , it could be a time loop. A theory inside a theory 🤯🤯

[@ProwersEdits]

Got caught in the Samsara

[@sthezh]

in the manga, vanessa asks venti about his thoughts of celestia and he shudders, thinking of dark figures in robes. his close ties with dvalin, who is confirmed to a vishap and by extension probably the sovereign, makes it pretty clear that he will not be siding with celestia. i doubt he’d betray dvalin imo

[@sentinel8910]

Dvalin is confirmed a Vishap? where was it stated

[@sthezh]

@@sentinel8910 in enjou and lumine’s report on aether, we will probably get an in game confirmation during venti’s second story quest i imagine

[@sarwatarannya8786]

​@@sthezh he is a vishap, but unlikely the original sovereign. Might be a reincarnation though. Azhdaha is probably the original sovereign of geo

[@einsteinera5314]

babe wake up new aster video dropped

[@lunaeclipse_.]

idk let me ask them

[@weew9799]

did you get an answer?

[@Falsic]

To our knowledge, the tsaritsa doesn’t have a descender. Therefore, whatever she has planned should fall within Celestia’s expectations. Plus… the story hasn’t actually shown us Celestia’s threat, just given us accounts from unreliable sources. As bad as the Fontaine prophecy seemed, given what we know of how Teyvat’s system works, using an outer worldly being seems like the worst ‘hammer’ the writers could’ve used if they wanted us to feel Celestia’s wrath. Besides Celestia not having any visible ‘evil’ feats, any rebellions still need to consider how they would replace the function of Celestial Nails. The abyss is still very much the worst visible issue in Teyvat.

[@Super-Godzilla99]

and on top of that the fatui/ tsaritsas are also an enemy of most people in teyvat, ei hates them openly even so nahida. zhongli isn`t on either side and venti we doesn`t know about his opinion yet. the only reason neuvilette hates the arcons is because the heavenly principals defeated the dragosn long ago, and stole their power too create the gnosis, but he doesn`t know that no arcon at this point needed the gnosis in the first place. as an example, ei was strong even before she got the gnosis and became the arcon, even so zhongli, and venti gave the gnosis away easily. and at this point the fatui made the traveller an enemy and most of teyvat at this point would side behind the traveller even all the arcons and neuvilette. if the fatui/ tsaritas are against the traveller in the end they have no chance of winning against celestia no matter what because nowone would side with them. the traveller is the only one i can see winning against celestia, but at this point the traveller isn`t against celestia just against the fatui and the abiss. and the fatui at this point have no conection too the abiss. if they are have one they are doomed. gnosis or not doesn`t deside where teyvat will go in the future, even the fatui doesn`t deside where it will go, and the abiss twin even so doesn`t deside where it will go, only the traveller does. Reason is simple only the traveller has the suport of all of teyvat, nowone else has this kind of suport. the traveller makes friends with all of them wherever he/she goes by helping them out of there misery the fatui and the abiss caused. celestia at this point is not the enemy only the fatui and the abiss are.

[@kotarouinugami1745]

Tsaritsa doesn't have a descender, but she already assembled 6 out of 7 pieces of one. This opens up a lot of possibilities. And she probably secured the means of using them before making a high-profile move of getting all the Archons involved.

[@harmonialarts]

The question of 'will the archons help the tsarista in the war against the heavenly principles' is a good one, but I also raise the question of would the tsaritsa even accept their help? If she can't get the gnosis herself by negotiating with them, why would she even accept the other archon's help? The gods can't be trusted while celestia is still around, who's to say they won't betray her to save their nation? You could argue that zhongli wouldn't break the contract, but that contract never really said that he would help her till the end and heck we don't even know the specifics of said contract. I feel like there's a reason why the tsaritsa is as a archon, going solo in this rebellion. If she loses the war, the other archons will be nothing but 'victims' of her schemes. If she wins then the seven nations are free from celestia and if she's generous enough she doesn't become some second celestia and punishes her harbingers in correlation to their crimes. (Dottore im looking at you) As much as I would LOVE to see the archons team up to form a giant mecha to shoot celestia from the sky and crack the firmament open and free teyvat from the egg it just seems unlikely.

[@amari7782]

The problem with the logic of her not getting the gnosis by personally speaking to them is that unless there’s a very good reason an archon going into another archons turf can potentially cause problems while sending harbingers makes things vastly easier. Secondly the archons as a whole don’t really talk to each other so she more than likely isn’t fully aware of their feelings towards things and like point A her coming to their front door can be a bit awkward. Thirdly, She’s still a prominent figure in her land so her leaving to go to other regions could in theory be suspicious. My biggest issue is the fact that she had 500 years of prep and waits till the traveler gets to rebate to start gathering gnosis when she could’ve just done it last year and saved everyone so many problems.

[@harmonialarts]

@@amari7782 Gods are shown to be capable of creating copies of themselves. Furina and Focalors, Ei and Shogun heck GUOBA made tiny versions of himself to become little helpers to the people! Archons have also shown to be capable of going incognito. Zhongli has done so multiple times for centuries and Venti has just been incognito the whole time. Also Zhongli and the Tsaritsa have already made a contract to END all contracts. Why she can't do all these things and more to prevent these hypothetical barriers you set up. The reason why I'm making this question is because i'm trying to hypothesize her reluctance to team up with all the other archons from the get go. Maybe she doesn't want to involve the others from reasons ranging from her own way of protecting them to they are a massive liability and will back stab her contracts be damned. She is breaking so many laws that she practically got the death sentence by Celestia standards.

[@Gnidel]

I wonder if the factions will be like Colors of the Rainbow banner. Group 1: Electro, Cryo, Geo Group 2: Dendro, Anemo, Pyro Group 3: Hydro Tsaritsa could offer Ei something, like change for the better sustainability of Inazuma. Or something related to vengeance for Makoto. Second team seems to be focused around secrets. Venti knows a lot, Nahida is very curious and Pyro Archon knows a secret that will be told to Traveler. Perhaps they could focus more on Abyss than Celestia. Neuvillette is a dragon, doing dragon stuff.

[@EdgeCrusher420]

You are absolutely the best genshin lore tuber. You consistently are spot on with the theories. This one is no different

[@abarr2951]

The problem with this theory is that it means that the other Archons are now connected with the many bad acts that the Tsarista and Fatui have initiated over time. Both the Inazumi and Sumaru story arcs have shown us the many horrible things the Fatui have done and if the other Archons are going to help them, it means that they are now responsible for those acts.

[@amari7782]

The fact that the archons never actively tried to stop the tsaritsa or do anything against her even after everything that they’ve currently done already shows a level of complacency and let’s not forget that Zhongli willingly endangered his people using them. Not to mention they are helping them out by giving them their gnosis.

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

It could just be a, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, the lesser of two evils, a pick your poison, cliché.

[@vietcuongnguyenle8530]

The action of fatui make less dmg than what celestial can do So celestial must be prioritized

[@historicflame972]

To be fair, they haven't really been too bad, in Mondstadt they were offering to help fix a problem, in Liyue Zhongli told them to nuke his country so they just went "ight bet," Dottore was practically rogue in Sumeru and it's not like he wasn't commissioned by the sages and in Fontaine they actually helped people and saved lives Inazuma doesn't count they deserve it

[@Shinteo5]

@@historicflame972 As I understand it, the Liyue event is actually a test from Zhongli to the Liyue Qixing, to see if they are ready to stand on their own while he retires. I suspect that part of the contract he has with the Tsaritsa is that if the Qixing fail, he'll hold on to the Gnosis a little longer, as the people are not ready yet. However, with the help of the Traveller, Liyue passed the test, albeit with a little extra help from the adapti, so he allowed the Gnosis to be taken. I think Shenhe's event, where the Jade Chamber is reconstructed, is a second test. One that Liyue passes without the aid of the adapti, though they are on standby, so that reassured Zhongli even more.

[@itsmehenrii]

I know this maybe way out there but have we ever considered that it could be a double agent kind a thing? We now know the gnosis are made of the third descender, so could the Tsaritsa be manipulating or being manipulated into gathering the gnosis for the sake of changing the world order and ending up restoring the power of the primordial one and his shades? After all it’s said they were asleep after the cataclysm cause they spent all their power right? So they could’ve allowed the gnosis to gather power over all this time so they could use it to reawaken. And all the information about the gnosis representing their authority could just be a misdirection tactic.

[@amari7782]

The problem is that the game has actively done nothing to make the archons want to stop her or anyone really so while possible it doesn’t make sense with how none of the archons actually care about their gnosis

[@cristopherj1324]

All of the Archon's seem to be distant from Celestia but Venti still remains sus, what if he was the only one who was attacked because he maintains a connection to celestia so they are a bit bitter and doubtful about him... Idk this game got me 😵‍💫.

[@kotarouinugami1745]

A big conflict like this does not happen just because somebody got ambitious. Just like nobody accused Furina de Fontaine of not being Focalors until people started dying from the prophesied flood. Something must be pushing the Archons from behind. And it doesn't seem to be erosion, although erosion suddenly getting stronger could do it. Maybe it's the Abyss Order? If Celestia cannot defend the Archons from it, or does not want to do so, it is very likely to get a rebellion on its hands. The Abyss Order getting a big power boost by managing to corrupt the Sibling might be something that sets things in motion.

[@joelreis5366]

These kinds of videos are the reason ill enjoy Genshin Impact for a long time.

[@ChimkinMcCluckie]

I figure the archons giving up or losing their gnoses means they're no longer beholden to Celestia and can choose sides in the end fight (or abstain) as they see fit instead of being forced to comply with Celestia's will like they were during the Khaenri'ahn event.

[@EdgeCrusher420]

All glory to her Majesty the Tsaritsa!

[@tutifru-titi9954]

I really wonder how will they deliver on the Tsaritsa, Fontaine archon quests set up a high standard which i hope will continue. We were given lore crumbs about her throughout the game and expectations are HIGH. + Pls don't make her show skin like she wants to go on a sunny vacation ,arleccino showed that you don't need to go the "almost nude in subzero tempertures" with female outfits for fans to love them.

[@andrsl1]

Agreed, I hope she's like arleccino, a tall harsh character with an imperial royal vibe, maybe design wise similar to signora, it would be so lame if the infamous awe inspiring Tsaritsa turns out to be a short child like girl with skimpy clothes like so many characters in the game already, I would'nt be surprised if she showed a lot of skin, look at furina's or hu tao's design, they have long clothing and then... shorts?? Why do they wear shorts lol, it doesn't go well with the rest of the outfit at all, imagine wearing a formal attire with short pants, it looks goofy and comical, and its just a excuse to show skin so that the coomers drool over the character and spend money

[@Randomperson-rk7xl]

Honestly, i don't mind her showing some skin, simply because i don't think she is as affected by the cold as others in Snezhnaya. But i want her to look like a real queen

[@tutifru-titi9954]

@@Randomperson-rk7xl Ohhhhh i hope she has a crown and other royal regalia, also when i think about it having her demonstrate resilience to cold by showing her sholders, but also making sense clothing-wise would be amazing.

[@tutifru-titi9954]

@@andrsl1 I actually like Furina's and Hu Tao's designs because it fits their character. A boss and a ruler so formal but also chaotic and kinda silly. Just don't make Tsaritsa a Loli Pls Hoyo

[@pre-violetmelain2984]

I think she'll have the medium girl height. She doesn't sound sooo intimidating

[@KillerBlaze]

I don’t think they’ll actively join in, but I do believe they’ll be supporters

[@mission2858]

i have a feeling that the Uknown God is NOT the main enemy

[@juliekm6495]

Zhongli has some other contracts out there. One that will not allow him to tell the Traveler what has happened to their sibling. (The only character in the entire game that has given the Traveler any information on their sibling is Scaramouche, prior to his entering Irminsul. Venti knows, but just won’t say anything. Both Venti and Zhongli seem unopposed to fighting against the Tsaritsa.

[@riotangel4701]

Tsaritsa is collecting the gnosis to re-constitute the... juubi

[@The_Tactical]

Fighting celestia means that distraction of tyvat The 2nd decendor the current ruler of the heavenly principal is undefeated you can't defeat something that doesn't understand that concept of defeat Destroying celestia will cause mass human casualties and make another gate to the abyss making the world vulnerable to any outside attack That mean everything that the primordial one created and fought for will be destroyed forever because of revenge

[@pauljoseph3081]

Teyvat will end up ruled by Humans and Divinity will be moved elsewhere, possibly Heaven. Archons, Dragons, Adeptis and all non-mortals will have their own world beyond Teyvat.

[@raincrossing9661]

I was always under the impression that the Tsarista would go against the Abyss and Celestia. I Can see the archons helping her as none of them Like Celestia. (Remember both Celestia and the abyss are Alien to Teyvat) But I think another thing to consider is what she is Gonna do with the Gnosis and who the 3rd descender is. Like are the Fatui just using it as Chess pieces and will play a game of chess with the Abyss & Celestia, Winner gets Teyvat. Or Is she going to enlist the help of the Traveller to collect all the forbidden knowledge into the gnosis, Throw the gnosis out into the void of Space and leave some Other poor Universe to deal with it? Is she reviving the 3rd descender, and what will that do to the Archons or the elemental authorities - Hydro. Was the 3rd descender The Dragon, the Traveller from afar in the Seelie story, or some 3rd entity that hasn't been revealed yet? The current time Line makes me believe that The nails fell around the same time Nibuleng (dragon king) came back with an Army (As Paradise set Says). This also Lines up with when the Seelies fell and Enkanomiya fell into the Dark Sea. He (Nibuleng) could've come back with both the 2nd and 3rd descender. Nibuleng might have been mistaken in Before Sun and Moon as the Second who came. - Nibuleng Might be the Sinner from Caribert and not a descender at all which is why he says something about "Not being a god". Upon seeing the destruction which this would bring to Teyvat the 2nd descender Helped the Primordial One/Phanes to make the Gnosis out of the 3rd descender, to suppress the order of Teyvat. The 3rd descender who might have been the traveller from afar, Who fell in love with the Seelie ancestor. And in being made into the Gnosis's is what made the Traveller from afar into the 3rd descender because, that changed the world. Zhongli Witnessed this occur So he's seen the damage of everything that's happened he will probably help. Ei and Venti might have known something but they're younger than Zhongli. Focalor/Furina Again similar to Ei and Venti but Furina is chilling right now. Neuve doesn't like Celestia or the abyss Nahida Doesn't know things because she is the youngestAnd whoho knows what going on with the Pyro archon. And I have some suspicions about the Tsarista :) (but I'm least certain about that) TL:DR: Rock in the Sky is kinda mean and so Is the Abyss. Cryo archon is going to play chess with them with the help of the other archons. Might revive the 3rd descender or might throw the 3rd descender into outer space and have the traveller 1 v 1 Celestia and the abyss.

[@grymns]

My theory is that the cryo archon (sorry can't spell her name) will ultimately fail and when Celestia came down to bring punishment the Lumine and Aether will face off against Celestia, depending on who you pick, the other twin will show up at a crucial moment and after the war, the twins will be reunited but the abyssal twin will eventually be corrupted by the abyss causing their death or yet another departure

[@hello_jjangguri]

After Fontaine, I feel like all this time the archons didn't care about Celestia anymore. But because they are just an organization created by Celestia itself, they can't do anything about it. Tsaritsa's new plan to get all gnosis and rebel against Celestia is probably too bold, yet it is what they need so they play along, making her their scapegoat. Zhongli and Venti are too old, and too tired (after archon wars, cataclysm, and everything) to rebel so they let their gnosis be taken easily. Ei doesn't even care anymore since Makoto's death. Nahida cares more about knowledge and the truth than her gnosis. And Focalors' whole suicide plan is to rebel against Celestia itself. And now that one of the Seven Sovereigns got his authority back, I would say that the big war is coming soon.

[@crepette1396]

Idk if for Nahida you were just lazy to rerecord the lines or repeated them because of the dream samsara of the second part of Sumeru. Either way, it's kinda funny

[@mehulchandrakar436]

i think zhongli had far more in contract with the tsaritsa, like waking up osail is something zhongli could have done with the help of adepti or he could have done it himself too, why trade the gnosis only for it i will be happy if they made more connections like guizhong being sandrone or menogius being capitano, he could be from natlan too as every harbinger allotted to nation also has a personal agenda except for liyue which makes zhongli’s contract more suspecious i will be happy to know more theories from others, you can just drop the briefs, rest i will try to find and speculate

[@mehulchandrakar436]

i know people might see this as overthinking on winter night laazo but everyone seem to reflect something with thier on screen presence, like pantalone and mayor, knave about children, childe sitting in back as he is not interested in the politics and is only loyal to tsaritsa, dotorre and peirro getting individual frames but why were capitano and sandrone in one frame even when they have nothing similar in dialogues too if i were the director and there was a thing like guizhong being sandrone and menogius being capitano I would have dropped it as a subtle hint and the position they were having like queen and the knight, guizhong and menogius things feels very suspicious

[@historicflame972]

If feel zhongli wouldn't have done it simply because the adepti would've gotten suspicious and they also needed a scapegoat

[@mehulchandrakar436]

@@historicflame972 i think adepti already knew that rex lapis is not dead and for scapegoat i dont anyone is needed, they can just say osail regained his power and went up

[@historicflame972]

@@mehulchandrakar436 They didn't know at the time but they figured out as time went on

[@mehulchandrakar436]

@@historicflame972 i think they can easily sense his aura. gouba even after most of his power and memories recognised him at just a glance

[@lola3226]

from what little we know about the pyro archon, I want to suggest that she will be very loyal to Celestia. as the God of war, she must appreciate loyalty more than anything. with that, she will probably try to either try to have her people do nothing with it or show loyalty to Celestia.

[@grant6864]

I think that: Venti wouldn't go out of his way to help her, but he would support her Zhongli... It all depends on their contract, honestly Like Aster said, Raiden cares about Eternity most, so doing something this risky seems unlikely I don't think Nahida would do anything about it. Like, she would allow her to do it all, but not get involved I straight up think Neuvillette dislikes her. Even speaking about Venti he seems angry, so just imagine her. I think he would judge her, and stop her if she were to do anything that could harm the people of Fontaine I want to believe Murata is against her and loyal to the Heveanly Principles. It would be a nice change of pace

[@historicflame972]

Murata will die at the end of the Archon Ques, I know she will

[@aggersoul23]

Can i get a whoop whoop!

[@jwk9139]

*my theory contains spoiler* The Heavenly Principles are Phanes and his Four Shades, who overthrew the Sovereigns’ reign and created Teyvat and the elements, each represents a notion that is deemed desirable and sustainable to the Phanes’ ruling. The archons are essentially Phanes’ creations and followers, not the true gods like how they are perceived to be and Gnoses are the links between them. The Phanes could be the true villain as they use Teyvatans (including the archons), their civilizations and nations at their disposal. They destroyed the ones that accessed and knew of the “Forbidden Knowledge” whether by the Divine Nails, diseases or disasters. Enkanomiya and King Deshret’s kingdom are an examples of such case. Irminsul not only stores this information but also insures that everyone in Teyvat, the lab rats, won’t know things that would jeopardize the Phanes’ laws and orders. However, the archons, one after another, are starting to realize these facts thanks to the Cyro archon and the Fatui and develop grudge/opposition against the Phanes/Heavenly Principles. They know they can’t outright oppose their ruler/creator so all they can do is subtly assisting the Fatui’s scheme by surrendering their gnoses (in the process, they also lose the connections with the “heaven” and ensure their nations’ safety from both the Fatui who can be reckless in their measures at times and the eyes of the Phanes). Venti, Zhongli and the Cyro archon: they are somewhat aware of these facts because they were at the cataclysm and saw the consequences of Khaenri'ah opposing the Heavenly Principles Ei: Though she is the least aware one because she was a new archon, she may disdain the Heavenly Principles for summoning Makoto to the cataclysm where she lost her life Nahida: She just learned this fact from the Doctor when she handed him the Gnoses Focalors: She begrudged the Heavenly Principles for cursing Fontaine, being responsible for Egeria (the former Hydro archon)‘s death and she thought them dethroning the dragons wasn’t right

[@nicolemateta8921]

The iq she has surpasses ones own by infinity

[@why-so-toxic_1413]

Most likely I believe that they will work together with her to destroy celestia

[@brandonrojo7678]

That was a theory MatPat made a few years ago.

[@catdownthestreet]

This is completely off topic, but I think you need better audio equipment or editing. There's nothing wrong with it outside of the fact that every time you make an "s" or "c" sound, it's louder than the rest of your speech and hurts my ears. Turning the volume down doesn't help because then I can't hear you, while the "s" and "c" sound remains just as loud and painful to my ears. I've tried a few different sets of earbuds and headphones and the noise is still there. I think I only noticed it because I have sensory processing disorder, but it's not that big of a deal and I'm sure you don't care that much, anyway. Just wanted to point it out because it's literally the only issue I have with listening to your videos, and I'm probably not the only one who noticed it and can't ignore it. Sorry if this is rude or anything. (Also, this isn't about how you talk or your voice, because I think your voice is beautiful! It's just hard to focus on your voice when the audio equipment you're using is amplifying the "s" and "c" sounds so much it hurts.) Anyway. Great theory! I think it's about time we started talking about this properly in the lore community and I really enjoyed listening to your perspective on which archons are more likely to help the Tsaritsa. I can't wait to see what the rest of the community has to say now that this video is out.

[@daniilmakhinov5247]

💙💙💙💙

[@voshadxgathic]

I believe that at the very least, Zhongli is on board with the Cryo Archon's plan. They did sign a contract after all, and with how priceless Zhongli made a Gnosis seem, it's clear he gained more than a simple test run of a world without Gods. Venti had to have his vision publicly stolen, which may have been intended, so I'm on the fence. Ei's Gnosis was given freely, but not by her. Yae may have simply downplayed her knowledge of its significance though. Nahida likely had no contact between herself and other Archon's, nor any Fatui save Scaramouche and Dottore. If any allegiances were made, it was off camera, but that doesn't make sense with the Dottore scene of handing over the Gnoses. Neuvillette may also oppose Celestia, but I doubt it is in conjunction with the Archon's plans. It's quite obvious there is still hostilities between the archons and sovereigns. This feels, to me, akin to Russia and the US forces in WW2. Both opposed Nazi Germany, but working together, even against a common enemy, wasn't exactly smooth. It also led to the Cold War and literal decades of trying to get the upper hand.

[@FruitJuice1009]

real

[@ft.jackjimmy7282]

yes, they'll all fight the Celestia and ALSO, they must relinquish their powers. No more gods, I'm Atheist and also Dainslief's left pinkie.

[@THET1RAMISU]

6:26 6:36 ???

[@alexandertran2442]

I feel like the Tsarita offered the end of the oppressive Celestian regime and that was what Zhongli considered to be a worthy trade.

[@ImperatrixLaura]

I am surprised that Neuvillette didnt come on first place as the most likely to rebel against Celestia...I mean... It is deeply implied by his voicelines? The majority of the lore related ones are explicitly about (I will try my best to put in the almost exact words): restoring this world order, fighting the usurpers, judging the seven archons for their envolviment with Celestia, quiting the blood debt that the usurpers own to the dragons due to what happened when primordial one came, restoring life to its original form, assuming the power that was stolen from him.... And he even goes as far as to mention Nibelung as 'The Heavenly Father'.... Also, given that Fatui were helpful to Fontaine, Neuvi probably would see no issue to temporaly allying with them in order to reach his main goal

[@DeltaDonsan]

But he wouldn’t like the Tsaritsa for the same reasons he dislikes celestia, and his ascension line makes it clear that he has all the power he needs. And considering his almost encounter with Zhongli, I don’t think he’s the type to make alliances with enemies.

[@ImperatrixLaura]

@@DeltaDonsan You have an interesting point....

[@vietcuongnguyenle8530]

@@DeltaDonsan he doesn’t have the power to fight celestial Even if he dislike tsaritsa He should be know what enemies needed to ne prioritize He can’t do anything alone against celestial So it obviously is he will need allies

[@DeltaDonsan]

@@vietcuongnguyenle8530 that’s not an objective fact at all. He now can bypass Celestia and give visions, and his voicelines make it clear that he strong enough to judge the Usurpers. Read his final ascension voice line and you’ll see why I fundamentally disagree with your comment. In addition he leads a whole nation so he does not need allies.

[@vietcuongnguyenle8530]

@@DeltaDonsan he can give vision because the system was used to give vision is broken But it not mean he stronger than celestial That system not define celestial power He only confident he can judge other archon Even the dragon king when leading other sovereign dragon must to borrow outside power to have a chance to fight celestial Neuvilette alone never can have the power to challenge celestial It is beyond his capability Unless you claim neuvilette stronger than dragon king He leading a mortal nation, are you really compare mortal nation with celestial who destroyed a bunch of nation in the past Fontaine is just a burden to neuvilette, it not help neuvilette at anything if he must face celestial

[@UsernameHere51]

The harbingers all assume that the archons have their gnosis in them. That’s their first attack plan as we saw with venti and furina. It was only after the knave realised furina didn’t have it that she came up with a second plan. So what happened with Raiden and Zhongli. Did they try and attack him too and then they came up with a deal? And with Raiden what was their plan, they never asked Yae for the gnosis directly. How much knowledge do they have in the whereabouts of a regions gnosis.

[@justsomeguywithgreenhair]

The plan to sneak attack the Archons was like for Furina and Venti only. La Signora and the Knave waited for the perfect moment to initiate their attacks. For Inazuma, their plan was to probably use the Balladeer as he has some direct connections to the Archon. As for Liyue, the false plan was to steal the Gnosis from Morax's corpse. But in truth, it was all pre-organised by the two Archons. The Fatui are everywhere, almost literally. And they're led by an Archon who witnessed the calamity and holds many informations. Their scope of knowledge is huge. Unless formidable beings intentionally hides them, the fatui knows the information.

[@tartagliasjigglydworshipper]

tbf, i think only sneak attacks can work on Barbatos since he's not around Mondstadt consistently for them to have a contract. and he can literally vanish into thin air so it's gonna be hard to capture him

[@drake-o-vision2055]

They already are...

[@mission2858]

i doubt Hoyo would make the archons playable *AND* have their gnosis returned to them.

[@brandonpierce2539]

So, do we know why the Tsaritsa waited so long to start gathering the Gnosi? It seems like she was purposely waiting for the Traveler to wake up.

[@kotarouinugami1745]

A lot of things were set in motion at about the same time, and we still don't know where it all started. I don't think Traveler is so strong, everything got in motion just because he/she woke up. But maybe he/she was woken up because the Sustainer noticed that things were getting out of control. Releasing the Traveler seems to be something of a "Godzilla threshold" moment, where damage from an uncontrollable but somewhat benevolent force of nature is better than letting things take their course. Maybe it's Rhinedottir's doing? And she's using Heart of Naberius (whatever that is) to build the biggest and craziest dragon yet?

[@justsomeguywithgreenhair]

I mean, that's the point I guess. Otherwise, we wouldn't be able to get the contents to present in game. That aside. I think it has something to do with the traveler being a descender and all. They might not posses the power to rebuild the world, but they sure posses the will.

[@nothmm8582]

I think the one who is gonna be in a tricky situation is Zhongli. He already has bent the knee to Celestia, would he be sacrifice everything he stands for by breaking his contract to support the Tsaritsa?

[@justsomeguywithgreenhair]

He already traded his Gnosis. I don't think any more hints are necessary to guess he supprts whatever she's planning.

[@pedroares6562]

I like your video, but there is a problem. Humanity was created by Celestia, and the archons were named to protect humanity, It's not crazy to think Tsaritsa plan is to destroy Celestia and start a new order that may or not care for the well being of the other humans. But aside from that I agree.

[@kotarouinugami1745]

Since she got the loyalty of so many Fatui, most of whom are humans, I think it's safe to assume there is a place for humans in her new world. At least, in the version that is told to Fatui recruits, but I don't see why she would lie about it. Archons so far surprisingly care about humans a lot.

[@hoangcute2k5]

Archon are super evil and totally extra

[@UsernameHere51]

Well let’s not discount Furinas trauma and why she was so afraid of meeting the knave alone. She was attacked for her gnosis like venti too. Hers was arguably worse.

[@kylerclarke2689]

I'm a big fan of this direction for the plot. It bothers me that every playable character has to be a "good guy" or at least redeemable, but the slow development of the fatui and the realization that your goals are aligning is a lot more compelling than "Celestia Good; Fatui Bad"

[@amari7782]

The problem with this is statement is that the story not once has presented celestia as being good on top of the fact that in all honesty the story has actively never really gave a reason why should the traveler stop the fatui from getting the gnosis. The traveler has never gone to a region with the intent to protect the gnosis despite knowing wat the fatui are willing to do to get it. Hell in Fontaine lyney flat out says to their face they’re trying to steal the hydro gnosis and they do nothing to stop this and continue on helping them. The traveler and the fatui goals have always aligned it’s just hoyo constantly make the fatui out to be villains because they need a reason to justify why problems are happening in certain regiobs

[@kylerclarke2689]

@@amari7782 I'm not exactly sure who you're arguing with here. I could have clarified more that light vs. dark or Celestia/archons vs. fatui/abyss is the expectation from a surface view. But yeah, as far as the main story goes Genshin has consistently been more interesting than that. I will say though that the traveler doesn't have much say in anything that happens and is hardly a strong driving force for the plot ever. Every new place they arrive at they immediately get swept up in some intrigue unrelated to finding their sibling and wordlessly go along with it.

[@amari7782]

@@kylerclarke2689 overall they could stop this but overall the problem is that they don’t do anything cuz they don’t care but yea you’re not wrong

[@hoangcute2k5]

Archon are selfish, vain, narcissists

[@TheDarshes]

I think Ei action would depend largely on what happened in Khaenri'ah. If Archon were rly forced against their will to go there and lay destruction upon people because of Celestia arbitrary judgement, which in effect killed Makoto, Ei may even disregard safety of Inazuma to get the bastard responsible for Makoto death. But Makoto last words suggests that Khaenri'ah situation was getting out of hand before Celestia called to arms not to mention contamination to Irminsul. In that case the one who summoned Archon wouldn't be responsible for Makoto death but the one who endangered the whole of Teyvat. In that case Ei would view Celestia as nesesery evil and, minding that whole Inazuma that Makoto loved is at risk, wouldn't be willing to take any radical action against Celestia.

[@Balls3829]

It’s a mixed bag of results. But for the most part, I’d say yes, they would side by her. However, it goes without saying that they probably dislike her approach.(The fatuis evil actions) Venti shudders at the thought of Celestia within the manga. It would also be odd if the “god of freedom” sided with the Heavenly principles. Who have usurped the land of Teyvat. Zhonglis contract was to end all contracts. Why? Because he basically signed an NDA with them lol. Zhongli is only free of this contract once we “burn away the old world.” Ei - Most likely. She already cut her ties with the Heavenly principles. She already witnessed what it’s like to lose everything to the Heavenly Principles (iirc that was something she also said) Nahida - a bit skeptical about this one. She understands they are alien to this world. But I’m not sure. Focalors - She would’ve loved the tsaritsa for challenging the divine. After all, Focalors herself said she wanted to judge the Heavenly principles herself. She pointed out the flaws and hypocrisy of them too. Neuvillette - Yes. Although he disliked the concepts of Archons, he would admire her courage in pursuing justice. She also seems to share the same ideals with the Dragons too. Bonus points: king Deshret. Tsatitsa and king Deshret are basically the same people born at different times. They both want to free the world from the shackles of the Divine. The way they approach this causes suffering onto (tbeir) peoples(Forbidden knowledge and Fatui) They both dream of a new world, a peaceful paradise. They both have righteous intents. Wrong execution. They both have lost something dear to them. (Something HAD to have happened to make the God of “love” so cold.) Id also like to mention Istaroth. It seems that for a Shade, she’s gone “against” the divine. First occurrence was helping the people of Enkanomiya when the PO and 3 shades forsook them. Second time was with Makoto and the Sacred Sakura. Which is now finally “free from the clutches of the heavenly principles.”

[@Super-Godzilla99]

ei doesn`t care about the fatui and the heavenly principals, the fatui proved too her that they are the enemys, by killing la signora it proves they are not part of what ei want. and the heavenly principals is the reason makoto died back then. and remember miko gave the electro gnosis too scara ( at this point he was with the fatui, but isn`t anymore after sumeru ) too save the traveller and too in the end save ei herself, ei wouldn`t give the gnosis away too them no matter what. that the arcons don`t care about there gnosis means they don`t need them anymore for power reasons. ei never needed it she was strong enough even before her was given the gnosis and she became the arcon, zhongli is the same he doesn`t care about that because he is strong enough without it, vent also seems too be strong enough without it. nahida is just a child in mind she don`t care about anything, the only thing she wants is too protect is irminsul ( what is also the heavenly principals plan ). neuvilette hates the arcons because they use the powers of the dragons without the consent from the dragons, the heavenly prinzipals defeated all dragons and surpressed them since then, and created the gnosis by taking the power away from the dragons and give them too the arcons, what he doesn`t know is that most arcons doesn`t need the gnosis. neuvilette and venti are the only arcons ( if neuvilette is considered the actual hydro arcon ) till now i see suporting the tsaritsa. the others are enemys of them or don`t care about them. so in conclusion your theorie doesn`t make any sence because two of the most powerfull arcons out there ( i don`t count neuvilette as an arcon, ei or zhongli would kill him easily ) zhongli and ei are not on the tsaritsas side, ei is actualy against them openly, zhongli too because liue was almost destroyed by them. nahida is at this point i write this on celestias side because she only cares about irminsul the same celestia does, because it is the key too control the people of teyvat in every possible way. i don`t know what the real hydro arcon would have wanted because we don`t have one, and the fire arcon i don`t know too because we know nothing about it. venti is the only wildcard i can see on either side because he doesn`t express his opinion clearly too this day. the only arcon i see at this point clearly suporting the tsaritsa is the ice arcon, but we don`t know the ice arcon yet so we can`t say for shure, the tsaritsas just could surpress the ice arcon the same way nahida was all these hundreds of years from the academy in sumeru. we just don`t know enough too asume that the ice arcon is clearly with the fatui. and since no arcon till now is clearly on the side of the fatui because of there own stupid games they play, i don`t see them winning in the end. the only one i see that all arcons even neuvilette would suport in an war against celestia is the traveller, because he/she is close friends with all of them, and helped them in any way possible too make the lifes of there people better. and what all the arcons we know today really want is that there own people can life in peace free from any surpression, but the traveller wouldn`t side with the fatui no matter what.

[@sylvarogre5469]

The term "Morally ambiguous" is cope. The ends do not justify the means. If you do evil for evil reasons, then both the action and actor are evil. If you do evil for good reasons, the act is still evil and the actor is corrupted by the act. If you do good for evil reasons, the act is corrupted by the evil actor. Only when both the act and the actor align with good is there uncorrupted good. If there is ambiguity about the ends or the means, then you don't know where you are going or how to get there or both.

[@ayag.8306]

Tell me you think the world is black and white without telling me you think the world is black and white.

[@vietcuongnguyenle8530]

You are trying to find a perfect solution to deal with problem which is unrealistic The world not work like that And when you do something like this. You need it sucess because you can’t pay the price if you failed What you doing only is kill “ every one follow you” by using a solution you prefer instead a solution have higher chance There is no justice in your choice because your intention to make the chance you fail higher which lead to every one die just because you dislike other solution At the end. You are not justice too. Just a delusional person trying to do a dangerous thing with a unrealistic solution and kill every people around you

[@sylvarogre5469]

​@@ayag.8306 Tell me you've never studied philosophy without telling me you've never studied philosophy.

[@sylvarogre5469]

​@@vietcuongnguyenle8530 your comment is completely incoherent.

[@vietcuongnguyenle8530]

this is not a child game, they are rebelion against a higher being they not in the sittuation can picky the solution they want nor they capable to picky if they fail, every one will die using moral as a excuses to deny the higher success chance solution only mean you are killing every one, lead them to a war where they will dead for nothing @@sylvarogre5469 moral is just a meaningless concept if you fail this is a god, not normal god but one of the highest god who rule entire a realm the price you will pay if you fail is not what you can use '' moral'' as a excuse to deny

[@charroboo]

Reported

[@jinwu9423]

Pretty sure they'll work together because there's money to be made if they're all playable

[@captainvalourous6668]

This video was released 6 hours ago and currently has 666 likes 🥲

[@Truck-kun11]

We already know that the Cryo Archon has noble goals and being the Goddess of Love I doubt she is malicious. She may have created the Fatui, but you can see that each Harbinger kind of does their own thing and many of the Fatui's most nefarious acts are the fault of either Harbingers like Dottore or agents acting independently.

[@collector1951]

I think we can still blame her for allowing some harbingers like dottore to do whatever they like. Right now many people hate the Fatui for many actions they take to undermine other nations as a mean of achieving their goals (just look at the mess with Diluc father)

[@BlueDaisy33]

I mean it’s still on a leader to control people who do things in their name. She still has partial fault for all the things the Fatui and Harbringers do

[@amari7782]

@@collector1951exactly especially since they willingly kept inazuma at war purely just to leech off money from them and resources on top of after they got exposed they tried to mess with them again. Theres so much evidence against her that Neuv would have a field day

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

She is still the leader and as such is responsible for her lackeys, ain't no where to run from that.

[@pedroares6562]

In the Teyvat chapter spoiler, Dainsleif said : "She is a God with nolove left for her people, nor do they have any left for her." She probably lost her loved one in the last war and is obsessed with Destroy Celestia at any cost.