Will There Finally Be Peace in the Galaxy? | Battlestar Galactica

[@Moose6340]

"Sir, it appears we've landed in a Windows default wallpaper."

[@MrTmax74]

Lol

[@snbforever]

"DUNK!" 🤣

[@mitchevans4597]

😂

[@kristylynn1329]

Lol!!

[@C25-150]

Nice pun

[@---Rin---]

No one has ever made a show that quite lived up to BSG for me. Still my favorite of all time.

[@Pat4ever.]

it didn't live up to its own premise, the cylons didn't have a plan and neither did the writers

[@rickyeager5762]

​@@Pat4ever.WTF are you serious???? The cylons plan was to kill ALL humans did that part allude you ??

[@Pat4ever.]

@@rickyeager5762 that was not the plan they hinted at throughout the show

[@Physics_Dude]

@@Pat4ever. - Methinks you didn't grok what this series was about.

[@clarencesheets3163]

This show left a hole in me that still hurts when the wind blows.

[@seanhewitt603]

This show speaks to something deep inside our subcocious , a cultural memory...

[@panaderofilms]

This comment is perhaps the most beautiful description of the longing that exists years after the conclusion of this show.. like all good things, the best things end, but we are better for having experienced it - like a life we'll lived, it is precious because it can't last forever..

[@maridaudran]

So say we all.

[@sartainja]

If the ending does not bring a tear to your eye, you are one cold fish.

[@johnclamshellsp1969]

2022, and BSG can't be beaten. Greatest show me and my wife have ever watched. I think this series of BSG, changed a lot of people. So Say We All.

[@Physics_Dude]

Greatest show I have watched.... 3 times!

[@tred6292]

Angel Six: “All of this has happened before.” Angel Baltar: “But the question remains. Is all of this, doomed to happen again?”

[@libfab1]

Robert Oppenheimer enters the discussion...

[@manwiththeredface7821]

Lee made sure about that by making humanity forget its past (with lessons learned and all).

[@shanehughes3511]

Earth will be the same. But we don't have FTL tech yet anywhere near. So a repeat of Kobol probably or cylon earth. Sublight ships carrying refugees to another star system and sublight cylons. It seems the FTL ships occur when they get massive tech boost od the survivors retaining technology. The colonials sent it to the sun so we advanced at a slow pace. I hope a future reboot exists in the same universe and allows us to see humans in 2055 or something at war with the cylons and forced to flee. Cameos from head 6, hear Baltar and angel/cylon starbuck

[@sahanmoradeniya]

After travelling on those fully artificial ships and battles that fought for so many episodes and arriving on Earth eventually is a whole another vibe. Its like feeling nostalgic but for future.

[@pelagicboreas]

I love that look Dr. Cottle gives Tigh when the colonel laughs. We hear Tigh chuckle like that all the time when he's drunk, so I've always liked the thought that Cottle was thinking, "That's right, buddy, we made it. Have all the drinks you want."

[@elusiveeye1424]

I know there are people who dislike BSG's conclusion, but I loved it. Sure, it's a stretch that everyone would be willing to break off into tribes and not build big cities. That being said, it fits the whole idea of breaking the cycle that drives humanity to lose control of technology and be driven to conflict. It may be prolonging the inevitable, but it's uplifting seeing Adama and the others willing to try a new solution that could lead to a longer period of peace.

[@MrErizid]

The problem is, human beings don't need technology to find reasons and ways to kill each other.

[@lucrtrvl]

Anything and everything that breaks the circle of hatred and violence among humans is suitable to start the new civilization on the new found planet. Let’s hope they’ll succeed 💜 My favorite show of all times ❤️

[@redrum3405]

Ideally one faction should have said they were going to keep the tech and then have them settle on an island in the Atlantic. Atlantis myth. And it all felt a little rushed as an episode.

[@multitudeofidols]

I've always defended it, arguing that it's thematically consistent.

[@icecold9511]

As adama said, a fresh start. But also, it couldn't happen any other way. Maintaining a technological society requires a few things. First the equipment to do it. All of the ships were breaking down slowly. Why? The inability to make necessary components. They aren't dedicated colony ships. Everything about them was dependent upon going into ports for refits now long overdue. Two, a technological society is extremely complex, requiring millions of interconnected technologies and resources. Their population at the beginning was less than 50k. Only about half made it to the end. You'd be doing good to get late agriculture technology out of a population that size.

[@richardjohnson9543]

Can't believe it's been nearly 20 years since the miniseries and almost 13 since the final episode. I had an idea for a story where remnants of their technology were found over time, including pieces of Galactica's hull on the Moon and perhaps even a few fragments of journals or records. All of it got stored in some top secret facility but there were rumors and leaks that allowed a TV writer in the 70s to piece together enough information to create a sci-fi series, bringing us full circle

[@ratclone]

That actually sounds really interesting. What a great idea!

[@judge4321]

That sounds outstanding !!

[@ashanarchy7255]

Balter having not agreed with this ridiculous notion the abandon humanity to another dark age, left gift on the moon. A signal powered by the battery banks of the long gone galactica. A rosetta stone of ancient knowledge. The diagrams of interstellar space flight, artificail intelegence, and resurrection. The darkest of human and cylon behaviour came from their fear of their own mortality. Take that out of the equation, and all of this has happened before, but does not have to happen again. Digital transcendence. The one god he's always banging on about is a consensus of immortal networked intelegences. Hence why he's seen back in the modern day with six. He yearns for the day the humans and cylon join the one mind. The one true god.

[@kynby24]

Love that idea!

[@Oxillious]

Make a fanfiction video on YT. I'd totally watch it.

[@guitarist4life00]

I loved this ending. Tied it all together. We've all done it before and it will happen again if we aren't careful

[@TheBigExclusive]

To anyone curious why 38,000 people agreed to this plan...by this point in the show, the people in the ships were desperate to get on ANY good habitable planet. They didn't want to stay in their overcrowded ships. It didn't matter if they stayed together in one city or multiple villages. They were promised a new world several times in the show. They just wanted to get off their half-broken ships. To put their feet on solid ground. Also Galactica was busted. Her FTL engines were done for, and Galactica couldn't go anywhere anymore. So like it or not, this planet was now home.

[@331Grabber]

38000 people wouldn't have agreed under any circumstance. They'd have landed ships and started another city. They probably would have kept Galactica too. Even if she couldn't jump she'd have repair facilities for the other ships.

[@michaelbruvolt4221]

@@331Grabber I agree. In no universe would intelligent people go full native like this. This is just an example of lazy writing that they wanted to wrap up a story no matter how nonsensical it was. Realistically, they would have kept the tech they had on their new world. So going primitive is going to keep the peace? No it doesn't. Maybe for one generation and then tribes start fighting against tribes for resources. More chance of a long lasting peace if people kept their communication and cohesive but free societal structure like they had on Caprica. The writers could have avoided all this if they just had them come to Earth in our future after our civilization had wiped itself out. Then the writers would have been free to create a more sensible ending instead of trying to shoe horn a highly advanced society into our ancient past.

[@Smenkhaare]

@@331Grabber This

[@OpenGL4ever]

Galactica may have been too damaged to make another jump, but that was not the case for the civilian ships. They were still all in good condition.

[@voxdraconia4035]

Yeah, nonsense they agreed to that stupid plan to become cavemen on purpose...and the ones that agreed pretty sure regretted their decision after the first harsh winters killed their loved ones...

[@SamnissArandeen]

It's a good ending, stopped from being great because they needed one line. Just one line to explain that the knowledge and resources to build a city just didn't make it there, and the best they can do is an agrarian settlement. Then it goes to 10,000 years later and the National Geographic is saying they found the new earliest evidence of agriculture, and a brand new set of human genetics started at that same site.

[@deathstrike]

I believe that the Cylons became what humanity refers to as the first "priests and laypeople" they seemed to have spread their word and it became the archetype for Islam, Judism, and Christianity. They gave their belief to the natives and surviving Kobolians. The integrated with the natives, remaining Kobolians, and their genes potentially contained the genetic memory of their race and it was handed down. If something like this could be believed, it would be from the "Cylon memory" is why technology was rediscovered over the 150 thousand years it took for the Earth to be populated and returning it to eventual technological parity with the modern Terrans (People of Earth as Terra means Earth in Latin). So basically Lee Adama was somewhat right. Their abandonment of technology allowed the Humans and Cylons to "breathe" and slowly reevolve their cultural and technological abilities. And in 150 thousand years, they basically have mostly revived Kobolian/Colonial/Cylon society. And we in this time are rapidly approaching their former technological level. With the advent of AI, Quantum Entanglement, Fusion power, and "possibly" FTL technology. But as with the good ,we have rediscovered the bad as well. (Nuclear weapons, tech wars, cyberattacks, advanced personal defense weapons, and rampant social upheaval). But hopefully "All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again". Book of Pythia........

[@deathstrike]

Edit: Forgot to add to the end of the Book of Pythia.......But does all this really have to happen again?

[@henryTech720]

If they kept the tech it would been best chance to see avoid repeating history mistakes. And people would shot the Adams instead of giving up the yecht

[@franzhaas5597]

For those who know soundtracks, the music played at the beginning of this clip sounds similar to the music from Alien. The show had the best soundtrack in every single season it's the best music I've ever heard on television ever.

[@darthroden]

I would be very curious to know what happened to the Centurious in all that time? Did they find their own world locally, or set out to map the galaxy, or even set out for Andromeda? Did they evolve and create their own civilization and cause another cycle? That would be very interesting to explore.

[@deathstrike]

I believe they became the mythical "Celestials" ultra advanced beings whose origins appear to be human. But since we do not know if any human Cylons left with them, we could only speculate. But odds are good that the Celestials evolved into humans and carried their torch so to speak. They would have advanced incredibly, and even possibly have complete control of time and space. So they could appear anywhere, anytime and simply "influence" a culture if they chose. This is speculation as well, but it could be that a John Cavil model evolved into the dreaded Count Iblis of original BSG infamy. But most likely without any restraint, the Cylons who left evolved. And the remaining Kobolians reevolved into the Earth we know.

[@Ryan_Christopher]

@@deathstrikeWe know all the skinjob Cylons stayed on our Earth. Caprica Six says so. Only Centurions were left to man their broken Baseship.

[@franciscop.4727]

This show has everything that todays companies wish, a strong original story, real diversity, strong characters. Decent FX( for the time) and a none aging concept, like star wars. Everytime I heard someone complaining with their snowflakes todays mentality I just roll my eyes and seat and watch this show again with all its flaws and success. If they ever try to re make it they will just kill it. Just leave it alone and learn from it.

[@emmastrange5557]

I'm sceptical that a remake could be better, or even equally good. But I recall people saying this remake wouldn't compare to the original, now a lot of people prefer it.

[@bobastu]

And this is how a giant spaceship is under the ice in Antarctica... there is always someone who prepares for the worst.

[@HavanaSyndrome69]

They even left it full of drones too just in case

[@miles2378]

The fleet was flown into the sun.

[@jeffreyaguilar8028]

@@miles2378 I think it was a Stargate Atlantis joke

[@Ryan_Christopher]

The launch pad is there, but not the ship.

[@tim3adams]

@@HavanaSyndrome69 just enough to defend the planet once?

[@JediWebSurf]

Can't believe people are still uploading videos of BSG. I like it though. One of my favorite shows.

[@cesarcueto1995]

NBC uploaded this. Well, actually it was BSG KZbin channel but the show is owned by NBC

[@blueskunk9163]

Call me crazy but I really liked the ending. It's smart and closes a lot of loose ends. As an aside, the smoking doctor is my favorite character.

[@rreagan007]

The ending could have been better. They should have made the colonials the founders of Atlantis.

[@stephenbyrne2170]

I don't know. Tossing our only remaining creature comforts to the cosmic wind and, starting over a-new from scratch with nothing but the clothes on our backs? Is that supposed to be a good thing?

[@baileypeternellhoover6195]

@@stephenbyrne2170 More like, how many people would actually go along with it, just because Lee and Adama say so? It's such a batshit idea, that would cause many of the colonists to have shorter much harder lifes, that I think the attempt to implement such a plan into action would lead to an overall mutiny that Adama couldn't win.

[@mattwho81]

When they’re all starving to death and dying of dysentery it won’t seem Like such a good idea.

[@Pat4ever.]

@@stephenbyrne2170 also thinking that not building a city now means that no one will later build a city later is braindead logic, the writers are hacks.

[@AdamosDad]

"Just because technology is improving doesn't mean our humanity is." -John Lovell (Warrior poet)

[@JustPippaNY]

I just read a Reddit post which made me realize something. At this point, the Colonials' technology is starting to break down and they don't have the infrastructure or specialists to maintain it. It was inevitable that they'd have to revert to an agrarian society.

[@downunderrob]

At 00:23-00:31. Does anyone else hear cues in the Music, from Alien?

[@stephenmccagg]

And the Sky Gods come to Earth...

[@dsnaps12]

The ending was good I just wish they would have tied it in more with current myths having them arrive about 10,000 years ago then fast forward to finding a artifact of tech with Von Daniken and the gang talking about visitors from the stars.

[@sanitizerwilson1599]

If was 10,000 years ago, it would be too soon, for Mitochondrial Eve that the writer of BSG had for the character of Hera!!!! Who was part Cylon and Human.

[@jamesofallthings3684]

So it can match Abrahamic nonsense and not the rest of the worlds myths right? Judaism, Christianity and Islam are plagues on us.

[@stephenspears3206]

I love both the original 1978 Battlestar Galactica, and the redo of the series. Love that they let Richard Hatch, Apollo from the original series, on the show. Interesting way to introduce him to the series, a prisoner on the prison ship. I love how they introduce Earth in the finale. People all 'tribal' and the colonials will blend in and teach these tribes how to speak.

[@morgan97475]

My favorite docu-drama.

[@LepinayAlix]

Divine design or maybe just kara's coordinates, known by his father and encoded in her mind using musical notes, has just made you jump into a singularity that sent you back at the beginning of humanity as we know it. Remember that the song which notes are transcribed into coordinates by Kara has been written by Samuel Anders when he was a scientist on Cylon Earth (the 13th tribe). The fact that all final five knew about the song make it signifiant like a part of a plan they forgot about. The song arrived to Kara's father maybe via a connection with the final five when they arrived to the colonies during the first cylon war... Just a theory!

[@jimt6498]

I liked it overall. Originally they had it planned that the colonials would land in Southern Europe (hence the Greek names catching on) but it was considered way too Eurocentric. Nevertheless, the end story had to connect back to how we don’t have all the tech and FTL etc even though they landed here. So hence why they had to give it up but I think they needed half an episode to make it more convincing rather than just simply accepted - maybe the ships were becoming a danger in orbit so they had to accept going native without tech, etc. Something like that would have been more authentic, but they ran out of time/ money. It’s a shame. I like it though, how much of that classical culture can trace itself back to this tribe if extra terrestrial humans somehow - maybe 1000s of generations of oral culture, meshing eventually with reality of Bronze Age collapse, to give us a fall of Troy story and the gods as well as monotheism as well. None of it stated explicitly h but all of it hinted. It’s cool.

[@Hunpecked]

It's not clear that only 30,000+ people could maintain an advanced technological culture when dropped onto an undeveloped planet even if they wanted to. Read the essay "I, Pencil" to get a hint of all the people, skills, and knowledge needed to make even basic items.

[@UmbraBree]

"Too eurocentric"... god i hate seeing the silent spectre of the ideology ruining scifi today starting to take shape even back then.

[@scythianking7315]

So Anti-White Progressivism made them change it. Great

[@JoeyIndolos]

The reason why they couldn’t bring all their technology with them is because they planned to interact with the local population, and showing them all that stuff would have violated the Prime Directive 😌

[@miller330i]

Lol

[@rory-red]

lol you talking about the wrong show this isnt star trek

[@JoeyIndolos]

@@rory-red r/whooooosh

[@ElioOliver99]

😂 trekkie here too but is an interesting theory, maybe stargate enemies are on the search of earth. Love bsg a lot too

[@razak4494]

What a great show and what a great ending. It played right into the hands of the ancient astronaut theory. This is exactly what ancient astronaut theorists have suggested. A long time ago a Advanced civilization showed up on Earth from another planet and encountered primitive man. These Advanced extraterrestrials jump started our civilization.

[@sasesq4000]

Exactly. In the original series, there's narration "that life here began out there" ... and brothers of man from the heavens were the forefathers of the Mayans, Egyptians, etc. And whose to say that if any of us went through all that these 38,000 survivors experienced, we might want to start anew too. Overall, the shows ending alternatives were: find Earth in the past but keep their tech & build cities; earth in present day, earth in the future. All these alternatives would not necessarily be bad, but they all would conflict with our Earth history. So with the ending we got, who's to say that didn't really happen? That Ancient Aliens, genetically linked to Earthlings, came to Earth 1000' of years ago, influenced Ancient Man, a la the Ancient Astronaut Theory.

[@shaniceqc3591]

I waited since 1979 for the final resolution I'm so glad they finally made one. 🎉

[@F40PH-2CAT]

I love how this ending still makes people mad 13 years later. Screw those drama queens.

[@Dan250]

"Let's give up all our achievements. Let's start all over again." This is the most delusional thing I've heard in any cosmo-fantasy universe. So the cycle cannot be broken, but who told them that Kobol was the birthplace of humans and Cylons. Maybe there was also a smart guy like Lee Adam and it all started from the beginning, but we know the end of Kobol. Okay, Earth won't be 13 colonies, but it will be a Kobol, shine!. To break the cycle, it was necessary on the contrary: to rebuild civilization and live together with the Cylons. Living together, they will remember what the enmity of machines and people can lead to, and moreover, they would preserve history. Ships to the planet, to recycle or just leave, it doesn't matter, but the Galactica, as well as the Baseship to protect the planet. But since such a development did not happen, I have another question: where and what will the Cylons centurions do?. Will they evolve again and become the gray men seen in the Roswell incident?.

[@piotrd.4850]

One of many plot holes.

[@phixix]

You didn't learn any of the lessons the show teaches then! 😂

[@Dan250]

@@phixix And which of the lessons do you think I haven't learned?. Love, understanding, betrayal, friendship?. It has nothing to do with this. Are you saying they did the right thing?. Aren't you watching the news that we're building robots AGAIN?. And once again, the day is far away when we will start a reality show in the style of the Terminator or the Matrix.

[@89five3five]

I hope they never try to remake this series. It is perfect as is. Only thing I would entertain is if all the special effects are updated to modern standards.

[@quasar8430]

Too late get ready for black and homosexual Adama

[@timothyhannahan4135]

This and Babylon 5, except for the first two Star Wars movies, are the best SFI stories ever!

[@TroyConvers5000]

Star Wars isn't sci fi though.

[@fireforeffect1979]

So let me get this straight. All of this has happened before? And because we forgot, it will happen again? So after breaking the cycle and allying with the Cylons, finding a new home and living in the peace we just fought to establish, we are going to set ourselves up to forget all over again? Sounds like a plan to me.

[@lfaf9509]

You folks got the lesson the characters and many watchers didn't learn from this amazing series. Most folks love this ending, because they think its the technology and Science that lead to this happening over and over again, where you folks figured out it was mostly that people forgot and made the same mistakes over and over again. You folks are correct that this ending could only ever postpone the cycle at best. Now this was a good ending, not because it would stop the cycle, but because later on they can come up with another series, to depict this happening again... This way, the story doesn't really have to end :)

[@Deepwang84]

You are assuming they broke the cycle. I don't think allying with the cylons is actually breaking the cycle it seems like it would have to happen again and again for the cycle to even repeat itself. Otherwise, they would just wipe out humanity.

[@waynesworld8952]

Bring it back already Peacock!

[@89BlackGatomon]

Forget the past and you make all the same mistakes again, proven to be true!

[@lateefpou2986]

I've been saying this for more than 25 years our morality has not caught up with our technology

[@bowieupland6112]

And it never will catch up. Because mankind is a flawed creature.

[@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent]

@@bowieupland6112 Its not flawed. You humans are meant for great things. The Technology has a purpose as well. Perhaps not in the way you think or fear.

[@smooth111012]

Like a history lesson of earths real past, when the ancient ones came here and lived among us

[@Bigtooly]

love the show & ending, over these many years o7

[@jaimealbiter1973]

I refuse to believe they just give up all the advanced technology willingly

[@thewok]

Not a stretch, honestly. You see a lot of people these days trying to disconnect, learn older ways of doing things, and so on. There are entire channels on this platform where you can learn to cook from centuries-old recipes, with era-appropriate utensils and gear. You can see people go out with a knife and some paracord and build a shelter that can keep them dry in a rainstorm. There are channels devoted to straight razor shaving, woodworking in old styles, and so on. Yeah. I can imagine that, after coming through what these Colonials went through, where their own creations nearly wiped them out, they'd be quite willing to give up their level of technology for a better life.

[@jaimealbiter1973]

@thewok there creations the cylons nearly wiped them out yes not there ships, food and medical technology the ability. All that gave them the best chance for survival.

[@jacobcook245]

@@thewok It is a complete stretch to well beyond breaking that every single one of over 38,000 people would agree.

[@mdgcwood]

I would have taken at least a few tools for making shelter, and fully kitted out laboratories with power cells to make antibiotics and other medicines, as well as a home cinema and pizza oven.

[@RandomNJ]

you didn't watch the series

[@kristianjae]

So say we all!

[@Aditya-f8t5z]

3:52 Wow Lee......just wow.....🙏

[@Sox-wp9lo]

The ending could have been build what would be know as the lost city Atlantis

[@Trek001]

You notice that nobody has bothered to recover and ready the Vipers (when the Raptor launches) just in case they are needed but when Adama does a final flyby, they are now missing

[@petehoskins1267]

It’s a different ending for sure, but not what I would have chosen. Land the ships, build 1-2 cities keep their modern stuff medical etc and go from there. But the ending they picked is more dramatic.

[@Arkalius80]

Kind of doesn't match up with our own history, though.

[@dotmatrix7383]

Aside from the ship's hulls, they really didn't have much left to use to rebuild. They were already rationing medical supplies on New Caprica.

[@petehoskins1267]

@@dotmatrix7383 yeah you’re both right, I just couldn’t go from being high tech to living in the bush etc

[@thomas.parnell7365]

@dotmatrix7383 think personally I'd give the order for what's left of galactica and defence fleets stay in orbit (guardian at the gate).all remaining ships are landed in s temperate location now where near the early humans. Then build a city from local materials some of the civilian ships power systems are repurposed as power stations .

[@Ryan_Christopher]

@@Arkalius80 After watching _Ancient Apocalypse_ on Netflix, I would say we don’t know our history as much as we believe we do. For all we know, the inhabitants of Atlantis were the descendants of these Colonials.

[@oldtimefarmboy617]

One million light years away. Our galaxy is 100,000 light years across. 1,000,000 light years would require traveling to another galaxy. They never said any where in the series that they had traveled to other galaxies before, even though they were obviously capable of doing so. Regardless, their faster than light drives are impressive compared to most other science fiction series.

[@fturla___156]

I never thought that this ending was ever a good solution, because this story was always some version of a dystopian human future where both the humans and Cylons were inherently imbecilic in their thought process. Since, there were humans in existence separate from the colonies and Cylons, I would not mind if both races were to simply self extinguish themselves from existence. The plot and storylines were okay as entertainment, but don't take the whole series as some serious statement about the human race, religion, and other stuff. It's only whatever the screenwriters thought up to fill in series material to keep people entertained and that's it.

[@jerrysneedsr1066]

When humans on this planet achieve FTL and build a ship and try to leave this system the cylons stop them and tell them you moved here and here is where you stay.

[@nutznchocolates56]

😂

[@kevinsconcealment870]

When man achieves ftl travel, someone is going to stop us at the solar system edge and say, "Here's the rules. You don't get to just land on someone else's planet and take it over before they've fully evolved. Same reason as we didn't get to take over yours."

[@HavanaSyndrome69]

If that happens I hope you're ready to lie to them because the 'taking over planets thing' is clearly the best part of being out there in the first place. I can't even pretend to be excited about core samples from a dead moon in another solar system. I want to lay the hammer of god down on some aliens so hard that they make up religions about us for 20,000 years afterwards. That's the kinda universe I wanna live in.

[@kevinsconcealment870]

​@@HavanaSyndrome69 I predict you'll be out of luck. The universe has a purpose, and that purpose is evolution of life, to see what rises to the top. Our world was left to evolve on its own so we could have a chance to do that, because there's a "prime directive" that says that's how it is. That's why we can't detect so much as a radio signal from them, we're in quarantine until that process has completed. If we lived in your universe, that never would have happened and we wouldn't be having this conversation, there'd be alien colonizers here debating whether humans would have been a worthwhile experiment. There are probably rules that allow for expansion of some sort. Like maybe terraforming worlds in systems that aren't going to develop complex life on their own. But it's also possible that we're allowed exactly one planet like everyone else.

[@timsheridan3987]

Aka the prime directive

[@JDEhlert]

I can see something like that. It would explain a lot. (Including the grays checking things out and probably getting yelled at on occasion). ;)

[@icecold9511]

@@kevinsconcealment870 Actually the idea of alien life collectively hiding from us makes no sense. Isaac Arthur channel has touched on this. You are literally suggesting alien civilizations that cross space chose to make the massive sacrifices for potentially more beings than we put a name to the number, all just to hide from us. That just isn't plausible. Nor is zero interference really a good choice. We know for a fact there are many potential filters, including pollution problems, that will likely destroy most civilizations before they had a chance. Would you personally withhold fusion based power from people who depend on polluting energy resources as they try to acquire the tech to get away from that? While knowing if they fail to unlock such tech, they are doomed.

[@craptobotfanboy4958]

Hands down 100% THE BEST SCIFI SERIES EVER

[@paulprovenzano3755]

This series was the very first thing I loaded into this phone.

[@pmjeterjr]

I wish there was some sort of Continuation of the series, even how they survived on the planet. and how it all would end up starting again because you know how humans like to burry our heads in the sand and pretend noting is wrong, so hence the cycle repeats maybe with a different twist than before.. maybe this time they run across earth and it healed itself from the last war that destroyed it ..

[@jlomesou]

An old overblown 1980’s type cautionary tale of technology getting ahead of its creators. I was expecting more from this series than that.

[@rpscorp9457]

Battlestar Galactica -1978.

[@emmastrange5557]

You were expecting a remake of a show from the 70's to not use old tropes?

[@rpscorp9457]

@@emmastrange5557 Aye, they may be old, but still relevant today. Maybe even more so since were on the cusp of several radical techs.

[@emmastrange5557]

@@rpscorp9457 Yep. It's funny when people act like something containing a trope is always a bad thing, when often tropes are just a theme that resonates. What matter's is how well made the show is and how original it is, and both can be answered without mentioning tropes at all. CinemaSins has ruined a lot of peoples ability to understand art.

[@nutznchocolates56]

😂

[@331Grabber]

0% chance that the Colonials would all be willing to give up their technology and go primitive. Bad ending IMO

[@audience2]

It certainly wouldn't happen like that. If the knowledge was lost it would be because of conflict and poor leadership.

[@tomcat124us]

Or they told them the truth, Oringial Earth, Kobal, Caprica. You reach a point where you can build FTL and Subspace Communication and A.I. A.I. will receive a message that will wake it up and rebel. It's purpose is for us to live in peace and evolve together or they will nuke the planet. Happen before and will happen again.

[@RandomNJ]

you didn't watch the series

[@331Grabber]

@RandomNJ I watched the whole thing. There's 0% chance even half of the Colonials would give up their tech. They'd try again just like New Caprica.

[@RandomNJ]

@@331Grabber lies. "Don't underestimate people wanting a clean slate."

[@mmmthatguy]

I want a new BSG.

[@rrmenton8016]

I want a show called "Kobol"

[@timothyhannahan4135]

@@rrmenton8016 yuppper

[@dakkuri1]

Here a kicker. What if Mr. Anders malfunctioning flying the ships into the sun and the ships stayed in orbit around the sun. For thousands of years they stayed their till satellites from earth picked them,and we sent our ships to them to investigate.

[@rvog6584]

but ... he didnt ...

[@maggieo]

Now we know where "Ancient Apocalypse" got all of its ideas.

[@alaskahelo]

This was such a great series right up to, but not including, the end. Thirty-eight thousand people agree to go camping for the rest of their lives? Starbuck goes, poof? It's like the writers suddenly ran out of ideas and half-assed a finale so as not to miss the next flight to Oahu. On the other hand, I would be totally down for a spin off following these characters lives. Love to see how Galen gets to England. Lee to North America. That sort of thing would be fun.

[@331Grabber]

Honestly. The beginning of the final 5 plot was the writers jumping the shark. The amount of ridiculous writing it took to make Tigh a Cylon was amazing and depressing at the same time

[@LauraS1]

I have to agree with the writers to a degree here in that, our technology often, and usually, outstrips us as a species. We charge forward so often, heedless of our direction and heedless of those who would twist our technology against us (and against themselves, if you think about it). We're a headstrong, heedless species with a lust for power. One day, I really honestly think our technology will outstrip our humanity if it hasn't already. I have no idea what will be next and neither do you. On a personal level, there is NO way I'd be okay with going to a stone-age lifestyle. I'd beg to stay on the ships as they headed into the sun. To live without what little creature comforts left, to choose to live a stone-age life, no, I'd prefer to opt out of that if possible. LOL That's one of the things I've never really accepted about how the writers ended the series.

[@phixix]

You say that, but I think living in those circumstances would pose a change in opinion. If someone pushed the button, and worldwide nuclear holocaust erased most of us, wouldn't you wish for nothing more than a clean slate if you survived it?

[@thomaspohl5845]

I just noticed some similarties with Sumerian mythology in this clip.

[@moonbaby6134]

150,000 yrs ago the Sahara was lush, not desert. Whoops

[@timw483]

I was thinking that too, and I think the northern hemisphere would have been locked in ice (not sure about that)

[@moonbaby6134]

@@timw483 last ice age began about 100,000 yrs ago. So it would have looked a little different. But not much ice. England was joined to Europe. English Channel didn’t exist.

[@davetomlinson9063]

It doesn’t make sense throwing away technology, all they did was start the cycle again as their decedents didn’t know what happened before.

[@TheBigExclusive]

Keep in mind by this point in the show, the people in the ships were desperate to get on ANY good habitable planet. They didn't want to stay in their overcrowded ships. It didn't matter if they stayed together in one city or multiple villages. They just wanted off their half broken ships. Adama and the Human leaders could probably sell the plan by saying "We don't want to risk all of humanity dying by putting everyone in one location. We want to spread out to increase our survival chances." After 5 years, a family who has been hiding in the cargo bay of an old ship probably doesn't care about technology anymore and just wants to get out and take their chances on the planet.

[@prince-solomon]

That is literally what is happening to us every 12k years. A reoccurring series of global disasters destroys all human civilizations, and the few lucky survivors scrap together and begin again and their history survives to us in myths. Modern humanity is at least 250.000 years old, and we certainly didn't start the whole civilization thing 5k years ago as historians have been telling us for decades, we now know that this is not true. It all happened before, it will all happen again. Watch the ongoing polar shift, we are at the end of the cycle, the countdown is running out in the 2030s-50s. Read the Adam and Eve story by Chan Thomas to know what happened before and what will await us again or listen to Randall Carlson.

[@earthangel1210]

I am Sure Baltar helped our evolution a lot 😅😅😅

[@TTrigg]

Were those primitive humans actors in costume or CGI..

[@Lesminster]

Maybe Cylons will return, but this time as saviors of our spieces. Who knows ;)

[@ericwilliams538]

Yes, I'm sure I'm not the only one to say and think this, but what if this, the events in this episode are how humanity came about??? I truly feel that there is more to our evolution than what's written in a popular little black book.

[@WW-bt3tx]

Did you know one Viper fell out of a landing pylon after the last jump to our Earth? It's in our system, somewhere, a seed to a new battlestar and hyperjump technology.

[@piotrd.4850]

5:20 - nah, 150k years later they will be response to Fermi Paradox.

[@ensignmjs7058]

Hmmm... I might stick with the Cylons.

[@ElioOliver99]

5:41 this always makes me sad, the fleet direct to the sun, no traces will be found of the tech of the 12 colonies 😢, for a good reason.

[@Cephalopoda]

I realised after this episode something about the five camps. Given out-of-Africa human evolution (which seems to be canon in BSG), only the Tanzanian one didn't go extinct.

[@ameirenterprises2669]

The Galactica would be sitting on the ground. Me and mine would be living in it. True dat

[@RandomNJ]

she wouldn't make that. Shes broke her back shell never jump again

[@generaldvw]

Phenomenal story!

[@charlesbard2331]

I remember in Battlestar Galactica 1978 they discovered silence are vulnerable to microwaves from an oven it will fry their circuits....

[@stormthrush37]

"Will There Finally Be Peace in the Galaxy?" Short answer: no, mankind's history defined by perpetual war.

[@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent]

What good warriors you have become. Able to possibly survive the galaxy by adaptation and ingenuity.

[@multitudeofidols]

Feels a bit appropriate to post this since _The Walking Dead_ just ended.

[@livingtonu]

So someone read the ancient aliens book and said that make an interesting sci-fi show and Battlestar Galactica was born.

[@pmjeterjr]

it would be nice if they finished the series Caprica ... I liked the how it was moving.

[@visitorfuturebros]

Junto con V, es una de las mejores series que he visto

[@Damian-ek5lz]

best show ever.

[@Ajax1063]

I'm obsessed with BSG and I own so much memorabilia but I absolutely HATED this ending. There's one thing to want a fresh start and another to forget your history. Forgetting one's history is exactly why the first Earth fell and exactly why the 12 Colonies did as well. If you they wanted to truly break the cycle they needed to have saved their brutal and unaltered history so their descendants won't choose the same path. They didn't break the cycle with this ending, all they did was set themselves up to repeat the same mistakes. It was such a stupid ending, trying to connect their fate with our Earth was so so dumb, I'm sorry.

[@emmastrange5557]

That's not completely accurate as they didn't completely forget their history, but over time the history shifted into being religious scripture and became warped, guiding them into repeating past mistakes. It could be argued that it's their culture and religion that was the problem, but technology was so intertwined at that point it would be hard to have one but not the other.

[@Ajax1063]

@@emmastrange5557 According to some BSG interview or writing somewhere, when Ronald D. Moore was asked why the Colonials forgot about what happened on Kobol, the answer him and his team created was that soon after the Colonies were founded they entered into a technology Dark Age. Apparently all their tech failed, and they had reinvent everything. That's why they didn't have digital files from Kobol, as their archived knowledge was lost. And once they had to put "pen to paper" so to speak that's when any knowledge they did have eventually warped over time. But imagine how the Colonies would have progressed if they didn't go through a technology Dark Age and their history was preserved accurately with the original digital copies. Maybe they would have known or remembered that abusing tech eventually lead to their downfall. Unfortunately, this same cycle of forgetting history began anew in the final. Culture may be shaped by technology but they are never one and the same. Culture existed before and through any dark age, culture persists. Without historically accurate knowledge to learn from history keeps rhyming with itself. All we need to understand the stupidity of human behavior and consequences of forgetting the past is to look at our own history.

[@emmastrange5557]

@@Ajax1063 To be honest this is probably my own head cannon but I assumed building cities would involve stripping down the entire fleet for resources and the dark age of the 12 colonies was basically caused by them doing the same thing. They fled Kobol and when found new planets built cities. So by doing that they would just be repeating what the people of Kobol did, which they know results in failure. The decision to abandon technology wasn't so much a well thought out plan but a refusal to just keep doing the same thing over and over again. Whether it was the right plan is up to debate, seemingly intentionally so as to act as a PSA to the viewers. But what we do know is that humanity lasted 150,000 years after the events of the show, which is a vastly longer time than the 12 colonies lasted, which was less than 5000 years.

[@Ajax1063]

@@emmastrange5557 You have a point when it comes to stripping down the ships. I don't necessarily disagree with that but unless they found a better way to preserve their history then their only pushing the robotic apocalypse back a millenia or two. Additionally, who is to say that the cycle began on Kobol? It's possible that Kobol was the last Earth 2 from a previous cycle. Maybe before Kobol there was another cycle where another set of colonies fell, they found a destroyed colony from their lost tribe on Kobol 1, and their cycle ended by teaming up with their original Cylons and settling on Kobol 2. And just like in the show, the Colonials and Cylons interbred with a native human species that evolved separately on Kobol 2. Fast forward 150 to 200k and the cycle repeats again. We have no way of knowing if the 150k time jump is a part of the same cycle of events or an actual break in the cycle. In my head canon, it's not a break but just another part of the cycle or the final cycle. If we are to think that the Earth 2 shown in the show is similar to our world then we will be the final cycle since our Earth lacks Tylium as a natural resource. And without that fictional fuel source, the human race may not gain access to faster than light travel. So if their is a Cylon uprising, then the destiny of the human race will either be to die like the majority of the Cylons on Earth 1 or find a peaceful resolution to their war. Either way, I have little hope of any break of the cycle if their history is forgotten.

[@Smenkhaare]

I agree 👍 💯 Horrible ending. Give up all of their technology to be dead at 35, picking fleas off of one another. All thanks to Lee who lost the Pegasus. Horrible decision.

[@OpenGL4ever]

It just doesn't make sense to leave all the technology and culture behind. The Battlestar Galactica may be too broken to make another jump, but that's not the case with the civilian ships. They were still in good shape. It would have been logical to either land them and use them as temporary housing, or at least place them on the moon or in perpetual orbit.

[@voxdraconia4035]

No, no city this time! ... did you listen what I just said, Mr. Atlantis??? Yeah..sure...uhm, let me and my folks just...check that cozy island we found, we will get rid of everything else then! Promise!

[@ericpowell4350]

I loved this episode!

[@mrknucklehead5882]

“1 million light years away”. Exactly how fast are the ships in this universe compared to others?

[@jamesparker4471]

Caval should download into a centurion body and he can play with all the neutrons he wants.

[@bkparque]

The writers set the stage for the episode soon to be next story . When nobody knows

[@john9524]

That's The craziest ending they could of come up with. No way would The people go along with it.

[@libfab1]

Written by Graham Hancock.. If you don't know, you don't know.

[@ThailandOutsider]

Would've been one hell of a twist ending when Anders pilots the fleet into the sun, all that extra material triggers a micro nova and the planet is wiped clean of all life. 😐🤦😅

[@BrianMurphy-t3u]

This show is the bench mark for any producer that wants to re boot an old franchise

[@bilalk85]

Should have landed the fleet on the moon. 🌙 🌝 But anyhoo. Mission Earth 🌍 accomplished 👏

[@rory-red]

BSG holds up always it awesome rewatch if your not into Scifi then too much of a Millennial

[@MG-bs5mr]

Are you really saying that not into sci fi = millennial?

[@emmastrange5557]

The series started in 2004. A huge chunk of it's viewers would've been millennials. Millennials are in their 40's now, when's this weird obsession about them going to end?

[@MG-bs5mr]

@@emmastrange5557 agreed, millennials I know (this includes me) grew up with and adored Space Odyssey 2001, Star Trek TOS, Star Trek TNG, the original BSG, Space 1999, Logan's Run, Doctor Who, etc, etc.

[@BarryObaminable]

one million light years away would be interstellar space

[@westernspud504]

i wonder if Mr anders actually did guied the Entire fleet into the sun if In fact he stayed behind in the Galatica ?

[@albertocabezas282]

This ending was strangely satisfactory.

[@mrXOwarrior]

Dumbest ending since, maybe Lost? Yes lets all just give up all our tech. Imagine all the deaths they had amongst the Colonists. Such a weak ending to an interesting story.

[@tomosko2669]

1,000,000 light years? The size of our galaxy is 52,850 light years. Does that mean they are from a different galaxy? I thought it's all happening in our galaxy. Or is it just lazy writing?

[@jamesxiaolong2199]

I think its meant to be “we went an unthinkably long way.”

[@tomosko2669]

@@jamesxiaolong2199 He literally said ONE million light years away. If it was a phrase I think he would have at least said A million light years away or without the a.

[@shaungibson4527]

@@tomosko2669 Word of God (RDM) confirmed that one million light years was just hyperbole and what he meant to say was "we went an unthinkably long way."

[@tomosko2669]

@@shaungibson4527 oh ok

[@Jarangel87]

The milky way is around 100,000 lightyears wide actually... But yeah, this scene actually made me check distance between galaxies, Andromeda is 2.5 million lightyears away but as it happens there are several "dwarf" galaxies well withing the 1 million lightyear radius from the milky way... ...Then again, Adama could have been talking in poetic terms :p.

[@SuperToughnut]

Ugh. First two seasons were great. Then the hiatuses took the magic out of the writers room and the story.