Will this 1993 Plymouth Grand Voyager SE run & drive again after 18 years? | Part 3 | Engine trouble

[@klwthe3rd]

What i love most about this channel and the creator is that he sticks with his diagnosis. He doesn't just run to, "Put a new motor in it" like so many other channels do. I want the original motor left in my minivan. Trying to find the problem and pushing forward is the honorable thing to do. It's the right thing to do for the van. Switching out motors might be the quick fix but you don't learn anything from it and the van doesn't have the original motor it came with from the factory. To me that's important.

[@peachyclean93]

Amen!

[@briandjordjevic9969]

I was thinking it could be the camshaft positioning sensor, but it was the map sensor!!!! Wow

[@rwdplz1]

We had a 92 that looked exactly like this, even the red pinstripes. Dealer wanted to give $2k trade-in, while they had worse ones on the lot for $9k, took it home and it lived in the garage. Sat for years and probably needed similar work.

[@legoeul2676]

This Plymouth Voyagers are iconic

[@slonskilandscape3292]

Keep up the great work. Fellow Mopar fan here. My fleet: 2001 Chrysler Town and Country Limited, gray with blue interior, 82,000 original miles, Carfax one owner 1995 Chrysler Town and Country 118,000 miles, near perfect condition 1995 Dodge Ram 2500 regular cab Magnum V10 4WD 82,000 miles 1992 Dodge Dakota Magnum 318 V8 2wd long bed extended cab 136,000 miles 2003 Buick Park Avenue Ultra Carfax 2 owner 112,000 miles 3800 V6 supercharged mint condition 1998 Toyota Tacoma 4wd Limited 5 speed manual 5VZ-FE 3.4 liter V6 TRD package 293,000 miles 2014 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Unlimited 3.6 Pentastar 139,000 miles 2020 Salem Forest River cruise lite travel trailer 28 foot with slide out

[@MNMoparMinivan]

@@slonskilandscape3292 thanks! Great fleet!! You got some good ones there. Thanks for sharing

[@jamespn]

A Chrysler 3.3 liter V6 typically uses a MAP sensor (Manifold Absolute Pressure sensor) rather than a MAF sensor (Mass Airflow sensor). Explanation: Most Chrysler engines of this size generally utilize a MAP sensor to measure air intake pressure and determine the appropriate fuel injection amount. Key points to remember: MAP sensor function: Measures the pressure in the intake manifold to calculate air intake. MAF sensor function: Directly measures the amount of air entering the engine by measuring the air flow. Thanks to AI, I couldn’t have said it any better. Great result, I admire your patience and willingness to learn and find solutions.

[@MNMoparMinivan]

@jamespn lol! Yes i was facepalming hard last night while editing this. Yes it's a map sensor. I was like NO YOU IDIOT QUIT SAYING IT BACKWARDS!!!

[@jamespn]

@ I like this series on this van, glad to see this one running so well.

[@MNMoparMinivan]

@jamespn thanks, and me too!!

[@Compact-Disc_700mb]

Nice to see the voyager finally running, Weird how the check engine light does not come on with the bad MAP sensor, but only when it is unplugged. Kinda dumb design there. Those internet forums are so useful for strange issues like that, it is quite sad how they have been abandoned in many cases for crappy propriety stuff like reddit and discord making it much harder to find things. Anyway can't wait to see the next video! I am curious about how the interior will turn out.

[@briandjordjevic9969]

Glad you was able to get the video out. If it can be fixed you are the guy for it. 💪🏼👍🏻😎

[@MNMoparMinivan]

@@briandjordjevic9969 thanks!!

[@briandjordjevic9969]

The guy who owned it before probably had this problem and thought it was the alternator and it was the map sensor 😥😫

[@MNMoparMinivan]

@@briandjordjevic9969 quite possible.

[@Sky-tg4wd]

I have been waiting for this one

[@MNMoparMinivan]

@@Sky-tg4wd haha hopefully I didn't keep you waiting too long!

[@mostlymoparih5682]

Long fought battle but another one comes back from the dead. Might want to check the plate that covers the torque converter and maybe the flex plate. Good job. Happy Motoring.

[@thestuffz]

the little van that could! man all that work and it was the MAP! oh well better safe than sorry. That o-ring was a ticking disaster tod! I know it doesnt sound 100% yet but it keeps getting better! Now to take it somewhere for a detailing job inside lol!

[@MNMoparMinivan]

@thestuffz to be fair that little oring probably made 155k miles like that... I don't think anyone had been into that cover before me. Interior detail video definitely coming up soonish!

[@victorbaird8220]

I just got my wisdom teeth 🦷 out yesterday thanks for the video 😊

[@MNMoparMinivan]

@@victorbaird8220 ouch!!! I'm glad I can help with the recovery (:

[@victorbaird8220]

@ thanks 😊

[@victorbaird8220]

I appreciate you very much 😁😊

[@michaelwyatt8030]

Afternoon bud almost a rebuilt motor now it runs it was the map sensor that’s what it was

[@462ANIMAL]

Yup , that will do it. sometimes even a bad temperature sensor can cause a vehicle not to start or weird issues.. same goes for the MAF .. but that van runs off of the MAP .. hopefully the engine sounds better with some use and possibly MMO to clean the lifters

[@grahammedlock3094]

Nice work on the van. I enjoy watching!!

[@MNMoparMinivan]

@grahammedlock3094 thank ya!!! Glad you enjoyed. Plenty more to come

[@fff3136]

that ticking noise is lifters

[@slonskilandscape3292]

I’ll be interested to see if that lifter quiets down. You’re good at saving these engines and the 3.8 does tend to be virtually indestructible. My two cents is I would go ahead and address that as soon as possible if the ticking doesn’t quiet down soon, it would be better than wearing a flat spot on the camshaft. Seems like you’re on the right track with this thing, if you get that lifter addressed you’ve got a good running van. You really don’t see these 2nd gen’s much anymore at all, even her in CA where there is no rust. I have a 95 T and C, it took me years to find one like that. Good to see someone saving these before they’re all gone. Once the vans get destroyed they aren’t coming back.

[@MNMoparMinivan]

@slonskilandscape3292 yeah I've had them quiet down after a bit of driving... but that's not always the case. Thanks for watching!!

[@blessedman3253]

Also the hissing when u press the brake pedal is brake booster

[@MNMoparMinivan]

@@blessedman3253 bingo!

[@markamcampbell5795]

you need a cylinder leak down tester.

[@peachyclean93]

That engine was abused! My 90 imperial has over 180,000 miles on it was meticulously kept up before I owned it for the last 18 years!

[@blessedman3253]

Check flex plate bolts...

[@peachyclean93]

Mine came loose on my Intrepid dealership with saying it was the motor but we're talking 19 years ago😂

[@rillixsgarage4767]

After watching your videos for 4 or 5 months what’s been the hardest car you’ve had to revive?

[@MNMoparMinivan]

@rillixsgarage4767 this one fought me pretty hard. The Durango, while it woke up easily, was hard to make "nice". We'll see how this one goes. (:

[@longroofinn5393]

You said it looked like the transmission had been worked on previously. I'm gonna suggest that noise is the trans dust shield rubbing on the flexplate.

[@TFD1982]

It wasn’t doing that till after he did the timing I think the chain might be a problem it’s odd all that happened after words.

[@MNMoparMinivan]

That is a good thought!

[@peachyclean93]

I just want to ask I'm not criticizing when you take the vehicles out on a little test drive quote on quote do you bring a fire extinguisher just in case if a fire happens? I was just thinking that when you were saying something about the hissing.

[@MNMoparMinivan]

@peachyclean93 if it wants to burn, who am I to stop it! Real talk, usually not unless I actually think it might burn down.

[@peachyclean93]

​@@MNMoparMinivanoh my God you don't want it to burn down you definitely are the type to let God's will take over aren't you haha Jesus take the wheel and the lighter 😂😂

[@rileyblizzard2]

i spy a tortoiseshell 1:15:00 😻

[@MNMoparMinivan]

@@rileyblizzard2 that would be Coco (:

[@curtisagain5448]

Sound like enough compression…. Back to the injectors is where I would go

[@mikelathen8397]

Keep the 1991-1995 Dodge Grand Caravan.

[@82_KID]

54:58 I am right there with you, brother. Once i get proper cameraing, I should talk about my Million Dollar Subaru lol.

[@MNMoparMinivan]

@@82_KID 🤣🤣

[@jimmyjimjims7483]

If Chrysler was as thorough as you are they wouldn't be circling the toilet financially lol, I have nowhere near the level of patience you have. I'd have rolled it off a cliff long before I did all that haha. My geo prizm sent me on a similar wild goose chase recently, of course it was the cheapest part (that I replaced last) that finally did the trick. On a side note (and hopefully not offensive one because I mean NO disrespect by asking this) have you been diagnosed with high-functioning autism? I ask that because I have it and I see so much of myself watching you work, the level of detail you go into and your explanations are fantastic and I notice many people as mechanically inclined as you are on the spectrum, they make great engineers and problem solvers.

[@MNMoparMinivan]

@jimmyjimjims7483 i was pretty close to shoving this one off the ravine as well haha. And I take no offense. I have not, but me and a close friend suspect ADHD of some variety. I check a few more boxes for ADHD than i do for autism.

[@jaredpetersen7343]

check the timing distribution it seems off

[@MNMoparMinivan]

@jaredpetersen7343 good thought on timing. No distributor or anything. All computer controlled with a chain, so the chain would have had to jumped a tooth, or a bad sensor. Keep watching!! ;)

[@klwthe3rd]

@@MNMoparMinivan What about the coil pack being faulty? I mean you might get spark but if it's not powerful enough or NOT firing on all the cylinders, wouldn't it make it run the way yours does???

[@MNMoparMinivan]

@@klwthe3rd a decent theory, and I did swap coilpacks to test it. (:

[@peachyclean93]

I think the brake booster is on its way out

[@MNMoparMinivan]

@@peachyclean93 i think it's a bit past that point tbh

[@peachyclean93]

​@@MNMoparMinivan it's past the 6 ft under isn't it😂😂☠️👻💀☠️

[@Justmebro777]

Hey brother, I had a 93 3.3 that wouldn’t run worth a dam and I replaced EVERYTHING, turned out to be a broken flex plate, the crank sensor runs off a ring on the flex plate and it was off just enough to throw out the timming ,

[@MNMoparMinivan]

@Justmebro777 crazy! Yeah that one crossed my mind too.

[@Justmebro777]

It was making that same noise too

[@Justmebro777]

@@MNMoparMinivan I couldn’t really tell from the video, is it running good? Or does it still not feel %100?

[@MNMoparMinivan]

@Justmebro777 at the end there, it seemed ok. Just the tick. MAP sensor was 100% causing the run issue.

[@GarageWorx]

Are you mainly into the 90s vans? Not many left up here in MN. They rotted away years ago.

[@MNMoparMinivan]

@GarageWorx yep, and yeah. Pickings are a bit slim. Cash for clunkers got quite a few of them too.

[@slim56]

That map sensor was probably why it was parked

[@MNMoparMinivan]

@@slim56 possible! We won't ever know for sure though lol

[@axelraver]

Im gonna laught so hard if by the end of the video he realise his firing order is wrong 😂😅 havent seen him check for spark yet.

[@TFD1982]

Finally got my video out for mine! Next will be the 94 maybe we can could shout each other out in some videos?

[@sothernborn1]

If it were me.. I’d be trying to figure out how to put that motor and drive train in a dodge Dakota. You talk about fast .. my mom had a Buick Rivera w/ front wheel drive which was fast as hell and I often thought if that motor and front wheel drive train would fit in something lighter like a S-10 pickup . Instant sleeper.

[@Trabant601L]

Firing order ok?

[@JimthegreatHD]

1:49:43 how i react too

[@MNMoparMinivan]

@@JimthegreatHD 😅 didn't help i could see absolutely nothing with his lights shining on that disgusting windshield

[@donsurlylyte]

me too jim

[@goclunker]

2nd gen ftw

[@JimthegreatHD]

Not bad for 100$ van you totaled out 2 or 3 times

[@MNMoparMinivan]

@@JimthegreatHD 🤣

[@donsurlylyte]

whadya think, is that the reason it was parked?

[@MNMoparMinivan]

@donsurlylyte I don't think so to be honest. I think that MAP sensor died while it was sitting. But I wasn't there when the old man parked it either.

[@EVERYTHINGGUY226]

Probably cattys

[@mikelathen8397]

Sell the 1991-1995 Plymouth Grand Voyager.