Will THIS Be the Downfall of Call of Duty?

Today Chopper and Tdawg discuss live service in Call of Duty and debate if its better or worse than DLC from years past
#callofduty #podcast #mw3

[@Ch0pper]

DLC or Live service fellas ??

[@minepro2929]

idk man, I'm new here

[@Ermac43]

I’d say live service on all fronts just for the fact of a unified community. It’s important to have everyone able to use all the content and not have any barriers to entry, even if the quality might be alittle uneven.

[@reygamerz8041]

Live service they just don’t need to add contents that already there in older games that the problem

[@afonsobatista5680]

DLC

[@pranavsrao6]

yo who tf is sam?

[@JustSomeRandomGuy05]

Going dark it’s like the best name for cod podcast channel

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

we agree ;)

[@minepro2929]

🤫

[@ItsAmandaBruhh]

If people can pay $80 for a monkey fist im pretty sure dlc would work better nowadays. People will buy anything now unlike back then when all of cod players were teenagers with no job. We are all grown up now.

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

thats actually a really good point lol

[@QuickNETTech]

Live service so I can pay nothing and fools can spend hundreds on cosmetics. If the maps are crap, and they likely will be these days, I'm not buying them. I'm not doubling the amount I spend on these games every single year. These games aren't worth the $70 they ask upfront imo

[@ItsAmandaBruhh]

@@QuickNETTech or dlc so you can choose Not to pay and ill enjoy new maps that are actually worth paying for. After this game I wouldn’t be surprised if it goes back to only adding 1 MP map per season like MW2. Sledgehammer did a great job adding content but treyarch will be stretched thin between these new few games coming out. So free content will suck again.

[@QuickNETTech]

@@ItsAmandaBruhh why would you want to go back to having to choose whether you want to give a mega corp more of your hard earned money for garbage or not when you could just get the garbage for free? The free content has continued to improve and even if it got worse, you really think they're not gonna screw you with paid DLC and make that worse too? They're charging more for mtx than the game is worth for garbage cosmetics like the Kong crap. Obviously they'll just shove out some crap, sucker you in with some nice marketing (or they'll sucker you in from the start with the season pass where you bought only god knows what) and then run with your money, all the while dividing the player base making the experience worse. CoD moved away from paid DLC for a reason: it makes less money; and I don't think they're gonna go for making less. Quality isn't tied to the cost, if it was maybe it would be worth it but it's simply not. The live service model has some issues yes but if we're to move to something else it shouldn't be regressing to what we had before, we should be looking for a new model that fixes the problems we have now without reintroducing the problems of old.

[@yes2462]

We lucky getting three episodes in a week

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

we got yall

[@GUNSnHOOPS]

I would much rather pay for quality DLC, a map pack versus the live service model personally.. I miss when it used to be a guarantee and not a inconsistent flow of content from the past years since 2019. Live service model reminds me of slow drip coffee with random flavors ☕ It goes so slow and in this case, I would say the coffee is underwhelming. I want my coffee instantly (every few months) knowing exactly what im going to get (4 MP maps + zombies). Back in the day, the map pack style used to give me so much joy knowing that I get to play new content that is mostly great. Feels like it used to force developers to create something good, because it was going to release for players to buy every other month, versus now, it feels like the developers throw rehash of maps or maps that just suck for the most part. Yeah they are free now, but the quality has gone downhill so much, with a few exceptions. What a great time to play Multiplayer back in the day, when the game used to be more complete and the DLC was a bonus rather than games now that feel unfinished and the Live service content feels like content that was supposed to be in the game from release.. DLC > Live Service

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

totally respect this opinion

[@SimonGhostRiley-m2x]

The difference between my shade ghost skin and those freaking Teletubbies. Also, I think the shade ghost skin is perfectly fine

[@TheSoapontheWii360]

Inkslasher or The Act Man as Guest on Episode 10?

[@thewarrchitect4121]

W idea

[@kaijuwarrior8917]

Those are the two that i was thinking

[@Afterlife_Podcast]

Please God not the Act Man. Inkslasher is a good man, I think that would be great. But the Act Man has lost his way.

[@kaijuwarrior8917]

@@Afterlife_Podcast He’s had some controversy recently but deep down i think he still cares

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

👀

[@vegabomb]

Do you guys ever plan on ever having guests? Like to talk about different topics on cod etc

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

For sure. In the beginning we wanna establish this as our podcast. We have one coming soon probably for episode 10

[@minepro2929]

Ch0pper! A new zombies game came out on Roblox called Korrupt Zombies and is great so far!

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

that will make him very happy

[@minepro2929]

@@GoingDarkPodcast YOO!!! I’m sure he will!

[@Ermac43]

I think it’s pretty much impossible for COD to start charging for content now. Imagine they flip the switch and now all the MP and Zombies content that you just had for free last year is now completely paywalled. People would just go play something else that’s got free updates, which Activision values player numbers over stuff like DLC sales now so they’d be losing potential players by paywalling content.

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

totally agree. were too deep in free content to go back

[@richardherman2754]

@@GoingDarkPodcastdepends dlc had something for every phase every time right away. Now get very little if anything for a lot of

[@sesuneiro]

​@@richardherman2754mw3 s3 just had like 5+ new mp maps, the most we ever had at once so I dont know about that

[@Tdawgsmitty]

this is definitely the best podcast ever. (not biased)

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

we will allow it

[@foxart_27]

I love being able to watch tdawg twice In one day, this podcast is goated with both its amazing parts.

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

Legend!

[@Bruiser576]

Could you guys rank you favorite weapons?

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

coming soon!

[@SimonGhostRiley-m2x]

I love the Bacon camo and stuff like that back in the day but I also don't like the idea of buying camo's nowadays

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

1.99 is way different and it went on the whole gun

[@SimonGhostRiley-m2x]

Also love the jar jar Binks shirt

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

the goat

[@thewarrchitect4121]

I would prefer a hybrid model where I receive multiplayer maps for free but pay a premium for “high quality” zombies content. For example, I would really like a zombies season pass that guarantees a certain amount of maps that have certain expectation in quality.

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

I like this

[@minepro2929]

Tdawg, ngl but that black thing on your mic is just a bit off and it's driving my subconscious crazy.

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

haahah i will adjust

[@minepro2929]

@@GoingDarkPodcast Thank you!

[@realsmils]

Servers for Aussies is absolutely cooked every second lobby the ping hits 300-800

[@filippospezaros5876]

Hey guys congrats on the podcast, can you do an episode analysing cod ghosts? Especially in the ways it could be improved in a sequel?

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

we got that on our list !

[@ShimmerDusk7733]

I thought they had to remake the OG MW2 Maps from scratch? Because the remasters from OG MW2 were already in MW2019.

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

solid point, well have to research

[@XXXTENTACIONFAN2024]

I'm Gonna Keep This Episode For Tomorrow Morning😂

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

LETS GOO

[@XXXTENTACIONFAN2024]

@@GoingDarkPodcast I'm Here Let's Eat And Let's See This Episode

[@SimonGhostRiley-m2x]

I have to say with a DLC maps. I have no friends that play call of duty with so that's not a problem for me. They don't want to buy it

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

yup that was the problem we started running into

[@Sir_Slimbread]

I prefer Live Service for COD for a few reasons. 1. Paid DLC isn't necessarily guaranteed. Sure, they are telling you that you will be getting X amount of content X times, but that doesn't always come to fruition. There have been plenty of games where they announce DLC, then they cancel it. The same can happen with paid DLC for COD(even the worst of Live Service COD still got minimal support instead of getting canned). 2. When done right, Live Service provides the player with more content more frequently. Of course that's not really how it's gone with every COD, but it has on occasion(Cold War technically had the most Zombies Content we've ever seen, and MWIII has supported MP pretty well). 3. As a primarily Zombies guy I had to buy the whole Map Pack just to play the $5 Zombies map(the $5 is confirmed via when you could randomly individually buy the Zombies Maps for BO3 and BO4). 4. The map pack content isn't always good(as you guys said). There are so many bad MP maps that have been been part of map packs. 5. Even if we still had Map Packs we'd still have $20+ Bundles with the same quality of content(we'd just be getting it in bulk every 2 1/2 months instead of with medium sized drops with some smaller drops sprinkled in). What I'd prefer is how we all hoped MWIII was going to work. Give us a games Live Service, then sell us the "sequel" for half price(if you don't own the previous game then it's the full $70). Also, don't remove content, because that's bullshit. I wouldn't mind if we went back to the Paid DLC model, but a $70 Game + 4 $15 DLC Packs(or a $50-60 Season Pass) + a $10-30 Battle Pass(5-6 Times) + $20+ Bundles + Whatever else they add in the future(like if Gobble Gum returns) = way too much stuff to pay for, because we all know Overpriced Bundles and Blackcell aren't going anywhere.

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

30-40 dollar game with dlc? kind of sounds fair

[@XD_cRiMeScEnE]

So if everyone had to pay for these extra maps then what happens if someone wants to compete but they don’t have the money to buy these extra maps that everyone wants to use in the tournaments?

[@ItsAero687]

Quality content as always. Also am I the only person that thinks Ch0pper looks like Jschlatt

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

hahah ill let him know

[@lilsikki3293]

Why is chops cam 320p quality

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

zombies content hasnt been very good to him lately

[@lilsikki3293]

😂 all jokes aside this is a W podcast

[@minepro2929]

I was wondering the same thing

[@markgaumee]

This quickly became one of my favorite podcast channels. It's perfect to play in the background while I'm doing various activities.

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

LOVE THIS

[@YoshiDash.611]

DLC is good for the quality and is just as much as skin and battle pass in MW3. But their good in both ❤

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

yess

[@craigeeezgaming4195]

Live service is a no brainer better option for me. WRT the restaurant v buffet analogy, you might get to pick your own meal at a restaurant, but then you can’t sit beside your friends who order something different.

[@alexbryda]

I absolutely agree I think they are gonna full reset so all cosmetics will be useless or only stay in warzone 🤔 I mean they have to import the black ops 6 cosmetics into warzone tho right? I feel like they're gonna do a cold war merg all over again or something because they'll wanna keep warzone a float but I think all MW3 skins will not be usable in black ops 6

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

reset is coming I feel it

[@terribletimes902]

41:00 This isn’t true anymore for raids, strikes, any major DLC content. Only seasonal activities moving forward

[@anthonywison1240]

Us people out here that’s not streamers we don’t make the money you make that $15 could go towards the gas, electric bill, gas or lunch for work or maybe parking

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

for sure, but people spend their money on other crap too. like coffee that costs ten bucks

[@SilverShadoww]

Warzone should be live service, COD with campaign, zombies and multiplayer should be premium DLC based. You're cooking with this TDawg! 🔥

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

lets coooook

[@mrumbrella9961]

Man i love these podcasts. Please do a live podcast sitting next to each other.

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

funny you say that.... wait till tomorrows episode ;)

[@OrionInSpace]

The thing with DLC versus live service on call of duty’s point of view is that when DLC was a thing you got what you believed was worth $15 (in the case of a DLC map pack worth 5 maps) or $2.99 in the case of a camo pack. I am using BO2 for that example specifically. That stuff was reasonable. Nowadays with live service when you want to go buy something it’s charging an INSANE price for just one camo or one King Kong glove. A price of which is almost the full game. That makes no sense at all! Like you said too is the game either mediocre or just bad then it doesn’t incentivize people to care about it. It also doesn’t help that CoD’s live service is an exact copycat of so many others. It doesn’t do anything different with itself that you haven’t already seen before.

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

dont get me started on that glove

[@OrionInSpace]

@@GoingDarkPodcast you guys for sure should’ve had your own podcast episode about that one camo being worth 100+ dollars😂

[@savvyburritos]

i feel like it’s very much a conversation about quality vs quantity. i obviously have bias for bo1/bo2/mw3 dlc models bc i thought those were so much fun and brought a lot to the table, but they improved the game and provided quality. i did really like the live service aspect of cold war tho also bc i felt they really put effort into the weapons/zombies/changes of warzone. im ok with live service but if it’s genuinely adding content to the game in a meaningful way. i don’t really care if we get 100 updates on a game but they’re all minor and shit, and adding stuff branded as new that should’ve been in the game on launch. i value quality and i think that can exist in a live service model so that we’re not stuck in a 4 dlc/year cycle

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

I would love quality over anything lol

[@patricklitterallyit4164]

Before I fully watch the podcast I want to say why live service I feel like is better. It saves games with bad maps at launch e.g. MW2019 and Ghosts. MW2019 had really bad maps at launch but some very good dlc maps that saved the game for a lot of people. Ghosts same thing but the difference is that the MW2019 dlc maps were free and now are on disc while with Ghosts,you have to pay another 60$ for them and it's just not worth having to spend 60$ to get good maps in a game with bad maps.

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

ghosts dlc was actually really good. feel like everyone kind of went back to bo2 and never gave it a fair shot later

[@patricklitterallyit4164]

@@GoingDarkPodcast yeah but that's the thing. DLC was really good. But you had to pay an extra 60$. And after the life cycle,the chances for you to find a match on those maps is 0. So it's a waste of 60$.

[@TheSpaceMan3]

I love this series

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

glad to hear that!!

[@DonovanChingliak]

Should cod get rid of all the bundles and replace them with military skins?

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

it won't happen

[@DonovanChingliak]

@@GoingDarkPodcast I know

[@darkops1655]

Heavy on warzone to be it’s own thing!!! It just doesn’t work anymore for it to be connected to classic cod.

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

IT NEEDS TO BE

[@TheSoapontheWii360]

W Jar Jar Short Tdawg

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

thank you bro !

[@FAHAD_ALHARTHI98]

Fortnite destroyed the world of games.

[@foot_cheese5826]

Fr and so woth battle royal

[@alexbryda]

WHAT UP STUDS 😏💎💯👑❤️

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

what upppp

[@White_Wookey]

With the live service model it feels as it most games never get play tested prior to launching or updating but its relatively easy just to play as most times you just need the game, and then the dlc model works but causes great division in the communities as it limits some players access to content. All in all the current version isn’t really amazing or awful but I’m playing it, at least it’s better than Vanguard.

[@brandonverge8275]

Dlc hands down. Idk why we dont have dlc and then they sprinkle in maps kinda like live service. Wish we could also earn cod points of something. Im not paying 103 cad for recycled maps and then having to spend $30 cad for a skin pack

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

lot of fans of dlc. love seeing it

[@jeroenvanlent4672]

I dont like the fact that DLC split up the playerbase, but nothing beats preordering the new cod with the season pass and just have the map packs come out.

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

so fun

[@fireballmagic9436]

Anyone looking for mill sim in cod need to get a grip

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

lol

[@elitebigs2010]

Idk honestly Dlc : look at black ops 2 and the peacekeeper issue. Bought that and had an op gun for a week or two. Live service : eomm being the issue and them yrying to push micro transactions. Both worlds are not good but dlc route was a minor limited time issue.

[@ROB_LAW98K]

Modern Gaming is such an embarrassment. Not what we thought it would be back in 2007

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

so true

[@RampidWarthogStudios]

I spend over $200 on Elden ring dlc. MAKE GOOD GAMES AND YOU GET MORE MONEY. It's so simple

[@JustSomeRandomGuy05]

No cap

[@Nitroh-]

Would 100% rather paid DLC. You (most of the time) felt like you got your moneys worth when you had to fork out like $15 a pack, 4 maps and possibly a gun all at once, compared to now, even though it's free, it's drip fed the entire season. Back in the day the devs would drop a DLC, then immediately get started making the next 4 maps for the next DLC, now they take like a month break each time and do nothing in between, no wonder the content is always rushed and garbage. Least back in the day it felt exciting when a new DLC would drop, you knew the devs actually put in the effort rather than nowadays they either remake old maps or AI generate "new" ones, incompetence and laziness is how I describe modern day Cod devs.

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

totally agree

[@49ersforever90]

I just have to say if they can make it an option where you can link your war zone to your card multiplayer would be so much better cuz some people like the skins but the fact that you have to download or update and you can actually play your game that you've paid for is what's frustrating because of War Zone that's why I should be able to link it or not link it like you should have an option conversion could be fun but then when you have a lot of players that are just cheating and stuff I mean me and my team just we switch completely off and go to f****** cold war

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

I wanna stream Cold War again. I miss that game

[@jordonsky]

We need it so we don’t pay for online all we need is WiFi to play online

[@eldwarf034]

I like DLC better, and I have the theory that if right now you release a new game and they say all 4 DLC packs for the year is $40 extra, people would buy that because it is just $10 more than paying the Blackcell pass.....also SBMM has killed playing with friends, I am literally the last one still playing CoD from my friends, nobody is playing it even as secondary or bench game and they don't want to get into it either as if they play with me they have a severely bad time

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

exactly right

[@darkops1655]

These podcasts are so good!

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

🤝🫡

[@alverydoe961]

Do you guys do shrooms before you record? Why on earth would we go back to paid dlc. It would divide the whole community. Why would we pay for maps again? So people that buy the dlc get new maps plus new guns while the others that didn’t pay play on the same maps with no new guns. Almost sounds like play to win

[@alverydoe961]

Pay*

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

yeah I mean we both said that would be a huge problem and really dont know the solution but the way mw2 did live service was awful

[@49ersforever90]

Helldivers is number 1 right now

[@frankludwig4268]

it will be fun if they release bo2 remasterde next year.

[@frankludwig4268]

this is my new favorite podcast

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

W comment. W profile picture -tdawg

[@frankludwig4268]

@@GoingDarkPodcast I like the profile picture it is very much cod like! then I agree with many things you bring up in the pod. I myself have been playing cod since 2013 bo2 and think it has changed a lot in a less good direction.

[@Buttz2Buttz]

Like it hasn't fallen already.

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

were on the upswing

[@Tatethegreat35]

W

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

W

[@minepro2929]

W

[@MatthewEason-r3w]

Why does people keep saying cod is dying it’s not I am thinking people just don’t like playing video games anymore and they bitch to much on the internet

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

its not dying lol

[@jasonireland7175]

nmmn m,n

[@GoingDarkPodcast]

mmmm