Will this Stop JUST STOP OIL?

[@agrajag1084]

Tin of Heinz cream of tomato soup £1.70 getting sent to prison for 20 months / 2.3 years... priceless!

[@angryofmayfair7091]

You can tell they are middle class hooray Henry's they didn't use supermarket own brand tomato soup.😂😂

[@andrewhickton3189]

Plus if it was a first offence, then a criminal record for one hundred years.

[@williamevans9426]

@@angryofmayfair7091 'Heinz, 57 sentencing guidelines', as one might say.

[@MrBollocks10]

£1.70???😱 They are both crimes?

[@Debbie-henri]

At taxpayer's cost, of course. How much will that cost per day? And they'll possibly have the chance to enjoy some further education courses.

[@ObiePaddles]

At least they’ve gone through the system. What’s happened to the guys that punched the female police officer?

[@angryofmayfair7091]

@@ObiePaddles nothing , they are hoping if they delay long enough we'll forget.

[@SA733]

@ObiePaddles I would like to know that too. At the present time we seem to have a very one sided or biased law system.

[@Vegansharks]

If it had been Bill the brickie and his mate they'd have been in custody at the very least.

[@trs4u]

@@ObiePaddles every media outlet reported them being released on bail, which almost certainly means they were charged. It can take months for assault to go through courts. I imagine the process might be held up until the police have completed their internal review? How is it relevant?

[@mandowarrior123]

MEN reported charges were dropped and they were suing the police

[@oneeleven9832]

Play stupid games win stupid prizes 😂

[@desres2281]

That Phoebe has had just a slap on the wrist for multiple acts of vandalism. She thought she was untouchable. 😂😂😂😂

[@Lulusnotreadyforthis]

I don't think it's excessive at all. That painting is irreplaceable

[@fugoogle9757]

ones time on earth is irreplaceable.. the painting is inanimate. its not like theres not a record of it..

[@Ology3121]

It's a load of rubbish. Glorification of nothing.

[@jeanhopman5659]

I'll do you one.

[@MARKLED-wp8wn]

The painting is untouched always was

[@kdog3908]

@@fugoogle9757 Imagine thinking your temporarily animate bag of flesh is more important than the enduring legacy of an example of one of the great achievements of an entire species. Being alive is nothing compared to using that life in a manner that enriches all of us.

[@macmachine]

More ridiculous was the 2nd set of protesters throwing more soup at Sunflowers right after the sentencing of the first 2.

[@davidhamer2300]

Good!! Little daddy’s girl Phoebe is going to go down a storm with big Sheila from Gateshead.

[@fivenine2]

Not necessarily excessive, i think it is criminal damage of something the nation, world values

[@ajs41]

Although Huw Edwards more deserves to be in jail than they do.

[@fivenine2]

@@ajs41 Agree, did Huw go to a magistrates court instead of a crown court? If so I think that is wrong also.

[@oneoflokis]

And that is the problem!

[@stevenloughran8911]

I think each offence from these people should get progressively longer if they don't seem to learn their lesson without early release!

[@MARKLED-wp8wn]

These people, while you sit in your armchair!

[@stevenloughran8911]

I'm currently sitting on a sofa and yes these people, aka people without critical thinking skills also known as sheep,Marxists and in terms you may understand criminally moronic idiots.

[@dc-4ever201]

​@@MARKLED-wp8wnWhy not call them "These People" they seem to think the rule of law doesn't apply to them, they are singling themselves out shouting "look at me" so the term "These People" is exactly on point.

[@PCDelorian]

I wouldn't advocate removing early release. At the moment, if they breach licence conditions on release they can be recalled to prison without subsequent hearing or proceedings. Remove early release, and on release, they're free, you cannot harass them, require them to submit to searches without just cause, or recall them; that would require a new trial during which they'd be bailed because they're previous doesn't suggest a likelihood to breach bail conditions or fail to surrender.

[@johnj4860]

The sentences are a bit short but at least do tell the lunatic fringe that their antics do not go unpunished. What needs adding to the situation is automatic doubling of imprisonment time for every subsequent offence. It very rapidly becomes serious discouragement no matter how deranged the protestors are, plus the public at large are not inconvenienced or obstructed by them.

[@1mrk1]

Pink haired activist Phoebe Plummer, raised in a wealthy (millionaire) family and educated in private schools, has no real understanding of the struggles faced by today's working class. She encourages those from less fortunate backgrounds to follow her in the same illegal activities she participates in, but unlike her, they lack the financial support from Mummy and Daddy for legal representation and a comfortable life after serving time. This disconnect is exactly why those who are and those who aren't environmentally conscious, reject the Just Stop Oil message in frustration and anger. She has no skin in the game, and with the way she portrays her cause, perhaps she should keep it that way.

[@bEll-em9rf]

@@1mrk1 Agreed. She is a repeat offender and any cause will do - transgender ideology etc. As with all of these spoilt brats, they persist due the lack of consequence. They should also be forced to be educated on the facts.

[@johnslavin2270]

But we all have skin in the climate game my friend

[@Imhereforfun-jz2lu]

Climate change is false.

[@1mrk1]

@@johnslavin2270 maybe she should spend more time telling her millionaire parents to tell their billionaire friends to do more about climate change. Or perhaps she could use their wealth to put her through one of the many ecology fields to help better understand climate change and find more effective ways to prevent it (as standing in the middle of a road doesn't seem to be working for some unknown reason). Perhaps they could fund a scholarship program to educate some of the brightest, under privileged and young minds. Nope, they will clutch their pearls and watch the world burn, while their children block traffic, throw paint over buildings and feign concern. ..my friend

[@EastyyBlogspot]

I bet they would have not done it ...with the benefit of heinz sight 😅

[@martyndawson7484]

Like it.

[@davespanksalot8413]

Straight to dad joke gaol for you! 😂

[@iand7475]

Lol

[@alidabotes6264]

Good one! 😅😅😅

[@jpcolindesign517]

As someone born in a Latino ghetto of Los Angeles, California, in the United States, and who was able to FINALLY attend the Royal College of Art at 63 years old (I am obviously an Artist), there is no rationale that justifies what these buffoons are doing. There are no "dots" to be connected between climate change and treasured art. Most of we Artists are generally on the side of aggressive action on climate change. However, these people have alienated a lot of us from such organizations, but not from our committment to dealing with climate change. There is some question as to who is funding this organization. Without wishing to spread unconfirmed rumors, I think there should be a deeper investigation of both their funding sources and their deeper motivations. I was in military intelligence when I was younger, and something about this situation feels off to me. Again, just want more eyes on what they're doing because this destructive nonsense needs to stop.

[@davespanksalot8413]

The art could be a forgery, and would still have the same cultural significance. And most of that art is so well recorded that we could make copies that most folk wouldn’t know the difference. It’s just some paint on canvas after all. 90% of the time it’s the story that goes with the art that makes it more meaningful. These protests will just add to the story. By the end of the century none of this will really matter. Edit: Congrats on making to the Royal college of art!!

[@oneoflokis]

That's what I thought! It's dumb! Are they doing it to paintings because they are "oil" paintings? That is really dumb... No petroleum was used in those paintings, certainly not of van Gogh's vintage!

[@YenRug]

I'm curious to know if these latest protestors will get even longer sentences? They were protesting the sentences handed down, thus they were aware of the sentences incurred, then proceeded to do exactly the same offence. To me, that means the prior sentences weren't sufficient to discourage similar offences, so greater sentences need to be imposed.

[@PCDelorian]

No sentence is going to deter people who think sentences are unjustified, besides the rule of limited returns. Say you increase sentences to 10 years or more, now they may as well riot, because the sentence will be less, I mean they may as just get in groups of 11 and start being violent because violent disorder has a 5 year maximum.

[@Dixy3]

Thank you, Daniel and Alan, for your podcasts. They are always appreciated and much respected. Great listening to your opinions 👌, my is on a similar experience. I agree with the judge sentencing. The criminals attempted to damage the painting in a protest, so accept your sentence and move on, but remember, you are now convicted criminals, the next time you break the law, the sentence will be more severe and longer term in jail. Damaging an old painting is unforgivable. You had no right to damage or destroy it. Thank you, gentlemen. I much appreciate your input.

[@simon-oy6um]

Not enough time in the clink 😤

[@MHolt9999]

On some of the points/questions raised: 1) Grannys put in jail for hurty words on Facebook after a couple of glasses of wine. 2) Very Dangerous jailed men released into the community to make space for grannies... 3) Passing winter fuel legislation knowing you are guaranteed to kill 100s if not 1000s of the UK's most vulnerable individuals - people going about their chores today that won't see next summer due to a political decision. The very People who provided for us all as we grew up. 4) Hugh Edwards.... I don't need to say anything - how ridiculous. 5) Our new prime minister looking at us all and the whole world through scandal tainted glasses. I guess things could be worse?

[@paulwilliamson7663]

1) someone encouraging others to burn people alive And therein your post end in stupidity

[@simplesimon5739]

But why would you do that to something that is priceless? As for Plummer (coloured hair) she's been putting it out for quite a while. She wanted the attention, she's got it.

[@MARKLED-wp8wn]

You have no idea, she believes in this cause with passion, this is a young woman you’re talking about so crudely.

[@breaghboo-gc7ub]

Does she. Really.🙄

[@sherry8444]

Why wouldn't you better protect something that is priceless.

[@psibug565]

@@MARKLED-wp8wnWhat cause does she believe in? JSO are soft force used by oil companies to get the public on their side. JSO have done a great job in discrediting people that are working for the environment. Seems a bit of a scumbag cause to believe in? This is not even taking the vandalism into account.

[@banedon8087]

@@MARKLED-wp8wn People are in no doubt that she believes in her cause. What she (along with most JSO members) do not seem to appreciate is that the public has become utterly alienated by the tactics used. It's why so many of the general public are cheering: They've had enough of JSO. That should tell them something about how they're going about things as usually people feel more sympathy.

[@philiprowney]

Stopping the flow of oil today would hurt poor people first, the hardest and for the longest time... I would ask them why they hate poor people!

[@matthewrowe9903]

The question should be " you know people will die because of this de oil idea as your leaders have stated so just how many lives are you willing to take? Just so we know your limits"

[@annA48126]

Will prison stop oil? I'm sure it will. Prison is a culture shock much too far. Just like when the weather turns, and it gets too uncomfortable to be sitting on the cold icy roads, they disappear.

[@MrBollocks10]

Or will they go underground? Like the old looking guy's Animal Right's pals. ....and become really dangerous, like the loonies that the not very healthy looking extreme veggie lawyer defends?😅 PS. I'm sure an occasional sausage would take that undead look away from his prison palour complexion

[@LisaFerguson-lw8il]

Van Gogh's wonderful works are, as with most famous art pieces, a welcome inheritance. For those 2 to attempt to destroy it shows their selfish disregard for our heritage.

[@R8135003]

As I have always said “Oh well, how sad, never mind.”

[@DeanoEssex]

Porridge for a tin of soup? Yeah, Seems like a fair swap to me. 🙂

[@nineoclockhero]

Prison will wake up the woke.

[@craigdobson9068]

@@nineoclockhero they'll be bullied by the Muslim gangs to convert in about 30 seconds of being in a proper jail.

[@nickdavison9771]

I don't understand how they correlate damaging an exceptional masterpiece with furthering their cause, it just makes them look like mindless idiots. I can't see how this campaign is doing anything other than alienating potential supporters.

[@Fedorevsky]

It doesn't make them look like mindless idiots, it proves they ARE mindless idiots

[@sue.F]

Your guest makes an important point: if the gallery does not take a civil case against the perpetrators to recoup the cost of damage to the frame and perhaps the cost of extra conservation measures, who pays if not us the taxpayers? If it is the case the taxpayer will be burdened then would it not be possible for a private citizen to mount a case?

[@annak4045]

Only listening with half an ear... But a quote from Denzel Washington caught me a few weeks ago.... You will always be criticised by someone doing less than you, never by someone doing more than you. These idjits are very good with throwing tomato soup at artworks, sitting in the middle of the street ... but you never hear about them giving up their iphones, or telling mommy and daddy to sell their mansions and move to a smaller house, or maybe not switch on the heat in the winter? Easy to scream and shout at others for doing 'nothing' while throwing soup at pictures or sitting in a street is really doing nothing.

[@Bob_Bobbings]

If just stop oil really wanted to make a change. They would fund raise. Buy land and convert it to nature reserves to offset emissions. We actually cannot live without oil at this time. Problem is thats hard work they would have to make sacrifices. Instead they want everyone else to make the sacrifices.

[@pstain2304]

You have made my day with this news, thank you.

[@carla.p2795]

Nice! The judge got it right for a change!🎉🎉🎉

[@JohnCorrUK]

Nowhere near enough for these repeat offender narcissists

[@Caesarus2011]

What if they are right ?

[@calibrazxr750]

@Caesarus2011 what if they are wrong? You cannot force your beliefs on others, simply because you think that what you believe is more important than what anyone else believes. It is nothing more than an ideology, that they are trying to force onto everyone. A chap called Adolf got into a position where imposing his ideology on everyone else, costs millions of people their lives.

[@not_glad]

​@@Caesarus2011what if they're wrong?

[@Caesarus2011]

@@not_glad quite simple, if they wrong all preserved art will remain intact but, if they are right, everything will be destroyed, including the preserved art. I trust they are not wrong but probably some of their methods seen by some too sensible people may be considered extreme even if they are a perfect match. Increased pollution will require way more extreme methods to preserve art … and life.

[@Brookspirit]

They attacked the painting again yesterday.

[@MARKLED-wp8wn]

Wasn’t them and wasn’t it.

[@hildatrellis907]

Nice one Al! I’m half Dutch and fluent in the language. I’m impressed with your pronunciation of Van Gogh. This afternoon’s offering was absolutely fascinating and one of the best you have both done. Thank you both.

[@hereandthere1111]

Not long enough

[@lat1419]

JSO - absolutely nailed it about their hypocrisy.

[@TheVigilant109]

Very interesting and very informative. Love Al's passion. Great video. It's like listening to two clever mates having a discussion

[@xTerminatorAndy]

the thing many people don't realise is that without oil there would be no healthcare. Every single aspect of healthcare depends on plastics, and plastics depend on oil

[@simonb4757]

A) They want to stop the burning of fossil fuels for energy, not their use entirely. Plastics can still be made from oil without burning it for energy. B) There are far more environmentally sustainable alternatives to plastic even for medical use, some are as simple as moving away from plastic to an equally cheap alternative like medical grade recycled paper for packaging instead of plastic, some require a change of habit to reduce unnecessary waste, and some might be more expensive plastic alternatives, however if the government stopped giving billions of £ every year in subsidies to oil and gas companies it could instead spend that on funding both development and expanded manufacturing capacity for plastic alternatives to bring down the price whilst also making the UK a global leader in that capability and use some of that money to fund the NHS to cover increased costs in the short term. The issue is a lack of vision and flexibility form government and the leadership of national bodies like the NHS and the insidious and way the Oil & Gas lobby groups have wormed their way into positions of massive influence with government and the civil service and that power now festers at the heart of all decision making not only in the UK but in most major economies around the world.

[@Rose-jz6ix]

​@@simonb4757you read like you went to uni

[@trs4u]

It's just old dead plants. All the same things can be made from new dead plants, and since we figured out how plants do it, we can do all the same things without plants. The reason why we get the stuff from fossil deposits is that it allows a few people to be extremely rich and influential. There's absolutely nothing in o+g we can't get elsewhere.

[@dogbreaththe3rd851]

@@Rose-jz6ix And came out with a humanites third.

[@Caesarus2011]

Actually healthcare depend on skilled individuals and properties of matter organic and/or inorganic, not on plastic … your suggestion is just a fruit of brainwashing.

[@davidwhitehouse2162]

I don't know if social media, has encouraged a certain level of opinion from those who almost demand to have the right to be right, a sense of self righteous zealotry, even to the level of insulting belittlement implying they are to be unquestionably accepted as superior. The notion that some people are totally entitled to commit whatever they wish because they recon that their assumed cause is above the law, therefore anyone they affect should either accept the actions or just stay quiet. To expect people to simply accept the actions of those who deliberately inconvenience and seriously affect their lives, is nothing more than petulant childishness, but also gives rise to the question of a more sinister agenda, funded by entities that have their own completely different intentions.

[@banedon8087]

I reluctantly (because I find JSO deeply aggravating) appreciate the passion of the protesters as there are things that I also feel as passionate about. That being said, if I ever decide to do as they have done I would go in with my eyes open and expect to be prosecuted and possibly go to prison. That is part of the sacrifice you make when you do such things. The mistake that these individuals made was not even thinking that this might be an outcome.

[@shizam1400]

Remember the posh mother complaining that her just stop oil protester daughter would miss brother’s wedding because of jail sentence? Sums them up.

[@James-dq3jo]

I think it’s reasonable. A little stuff for a first offense, but it was a particularly valuable & important artwork. I’m guessing these kids didn’t figure jail was a possibility. I’m sure it will be a learning experience for them. Who knows, they might even grow up a little, but maybe I’m being overly optimistic.

[@dazryan3463]

The artwork is unique and priceless. The activists are replaceable by millions. Should have got at least double

[@trinity9365]

Send these two straight to jail and give them DOUBLE the time. The absolute entitlement of these people.

[@SA733]

I think it is justified. Works of art like this one are priceless. This is not the way to behave if you want the sympathy of others. Some of these protesters need to grow up and SEE THE DAMAGE THAT THEY ARE CAUSING in my opinion. Thank you Daniel.

[@SouthernSultan阿力]

Unacceptable completely

[@miketattersfield6053]

Roger Hallam, Extinction Rebellion, is studying, at Uni, disruptive protest. Just Stop Oil, an offshoot with the same funding, are using this method.

[@michaelsmithy5814]

What an excellent history Art lesson brilliant by what Al said a real gentleman he explained so clearly I had to see it two times his enthusiasm and love of of Art is second to none. Thank you guys you educated an old man I think I would have given the protesters 3 x years each minimum for their Attack on the picture by these idiots.

[@lauriecoates9699]

Many thanks for a common sense interview, sadly lacking in current social media ..

[@lifeisbutadreamsodreamon]

On intentionally destroying art being a war crime, my mind immediately flashed to Palmyra

[@dizwell]

Excessive? I'd have doubled those sentences for starters. And knowing they get an automatic 50% discount, I'd have doubled them again.

[@denisehall5145]

A good reality check for them.

[@Phil-Sands]

The one on the left got ripped apart in an interview, didn't pay any bills and lives off mummy and daddy's wealth.

[@sithpanda]

Thank you!

[@andreaclarke4955]

Thank you for the double trouble 😊 of both Daniel and Alan's words of law-stuff, brilliant presentation, excellent team work, lots of love ❤❤❤

[@Hail_To_The_King]

The country has to spend 100K to substitute for what men of the household used to achieve with an open hand

[@whitefangoftheleaf9744]

Oh yeah and stopping ambulances is disgusting

[@googoo554]

Thank you both. Unfortunately while we are distracted they are trying to push through the who pandemic treaty and amendments, with the un trying to push through the cybercrime treaty.

[@Paul-FrancisB]

I really appreciated Al's reference to the Dune books, I would never have guessed there was an overlap in our reading habits 😁

[@BazDeeWren]

Absolutely brilliant discussion gentlemen. Going to subscribe to the Art of Law now 😊.

[@Mk-dm5zt]

Are they oil paintings they are targeting with their twisted logic

[@dc-4ever201]

Considering how dense these JSO lot appear to be I wouldn't be surprised. Thing is old oil paintings were made using a variety of vegetable oils mixed with crushed semi precious stones or oxides of elements, some we later found out were toxic like arsenic or lead., they are sealed behind varnish/lacquer layers in most cases and are safe to be around and have no connection with crude oil at all.

[@oneoflokis]

​@@dc-4ever201Exactly! It's LINSEED oil, as I know very well!

[@maureenfrost2872]

I love hearing you getting excited talking about art and culture.

[@robertburrows6612]

I agree these two should be made to pay for the full restoration costs

[@Hertzultra]

Well I am no art restoration expert but have been an artist all my life and understand the basics plus a little chemistry and overall historical education would say with 100% certainty >> No Goldsmiths art expert or restora would ever say there is zero chance of damages. The INTENT of those people show that in point of fact>> they LIE, have zero empathy for historical heritage and all they were wanting was to bring maximum exposure to a cause by any means necessary. A mild form of terrorism in my book. The idea conceived to carry out this act of vandalism must have been driven by a logic as simple as "Spot The Dog" a bedtime story.... An OIL PAINTING.. a famous one and easy access for the Just Stop Oil Cause... as basic as that in my opinion.

[@oneoflokis]

It is very dumb and simplistic. I made this point on a left-wing site the other day, where they thought it was a good idea. 🙄

[@theeniwetoksymphonyorchest7580]

Great summary. I appreciate the well-thought out reasoning.

[@MiWri]

Not excessive, not enough

[@josephbravo2590]

As a former museum director, I totally concur on the matter of fiduciary responsibility to hold the criminal culprits civilly liable. The deliberate attack on cultural heritage is properly viewed as a war crime for good reasons. Any sentence rendered should be sufficiently punitive so as to constitute a demonstrably effective deterrent. If the sentencing guidelines are insufficient in this regard then it is past time to revisit them for reassessment in the context of the current threat level to cultural heritage. A simple Google search will reveal that occasions of politically motivated museum vandalism have become ubiquitous enough to be tragically cliché. Far from constituting a sympathetic cause célèbre, such venal incidents have effectively been reduced to little more than an unimaginative meme. When one practices politics by the means of asymmetric warfare whether by assault, taking hostage, extortion, criminal trespass or anarchic iconoclasm then one has broken the social contract to an extent that undermines the rule of law. If terrorism is an impermissible political tactic then destructive attacks on the artifacts of cultural heritage should be treated as equivalently intolerable means of political activity under both criminal and civil law. Simply having personal moral priorities does not entitle one to negate the moral priorities of others by any means necessary so as to coerce a sociopolitical outcome of your choosing. Such infantile narcissism hardly constitutes evidence of moral superiority. Merely making a moral claim doesn’t automatically confer either intellectual or moral authority on the claimant and it certainly doesn’t entitle them to abrogate the rights of others. It sure as hell doesn’t legally empower them to maliciously enter the Commons to destroy priceless community property. This attack on a Van Gogh is tantamount to a political assassination attempt whose scale of prospective casualties constitutes an incident of mass destruction. It is not just the single artifact that is potentially lost but the generations of countless edifying experiences in perpetuity. The collective intellectual and spiritual carnage wrought is both vast and eternal. Regardless of how cognizant one might personally be about the cultural value of fine art, such unconscionable actions should not be trivialized as simple misdemeanors. The mistaken belief that these villainous tactics ostensibly effect the political change sought is, at best, a misguided fantasy; but the catastrophic cultural consequences of such misanthropic behavior are tragically real. It is the sacred duty of museum professionals to preserve a culture’s collected artistic legacy and exhibit it to the public. But the first priority must by necessity be preservation. That glass is not just a source of undesirable glare that obscures the viewers’ experience of the artwork, it’s also creating a microclimate that effects the chemistry transpiring on the surface of the painting and presents a potential hazard to the endurance of the painted surface. Its presence entails more regular handling required for the maintenance of the artwork. One needn’t be an esoterically trained fine art conservator to intuit that “more handling” is suboptimal when dealing with precious works of fine art. If it becomes unsafe to exhibit artworks of iconic significance then museum directors, curators and registrars will be remiss in their duties if they fail to remove them from public display. Then great artworks will only be available for viewing by appointment and those afforded the rare opportunity will be carefully vetted for security. That would be a tragic loss to the polity at large. Cultural heritage is an essential part of the human habitat and, like the ecology in which it exists, society has a moral obligation to its sustainability.

[@F6blue]

The sentences are more than justified!

[@noladavis5085]

I've tried asking JSO supporters if they will support the unions during the inevitable strikes that will happen if we just stopped oil. Oddly I haven't had an answer.

[@heshtankon7212]

They will probably get out and become politicians.

[@Budgie-Vic]

Love Al's passion! Will be subscribing! BBB a great video!

[@christinepiggott3113]

They're all a bunch of attention seeking hypocrites! Remember when that mother of one of them that got jailed recently was complaining as it meant she wouldn't be able to FLY to her brother's wedding in the US next year! If she was that devoted to her cause she wouldn't fly! And as you say Glastonbury, look how much plastic rubbish is left behind there every year.

[@redjacc7581]

not enough. these agitators need to go to prison for 10 years minimum.

[@TheFakeyCakeMaker]

Two brothers haha! Great video, thanks guys. Loved listening to the art stuff, very interesting.

[@thereal1006]

Good 👍 They can have a bit of prision justice their crap wont fly in jail

[@STW1964]

There was another case yesterday of this and my thought was...... There were people standing around, if a bystander intervened to stop them throwing the soup , ie punched the Just Stop Oil vandal , would they be done for assault? Can you use force to stop such an act of imminent criminal damage?

[@marvhollingworth663]

When he was talking about culpability, I disagree with his statement that people are charged, tried & sentenced based on what COULD have happened. When someone drives dangerously, they get done for dangerous driving. The judge doesn't say "You COULD have hit someone & killed them so the court sentences you to potential death by dangerous driving." Death by dangerous driving is a separate offence that only applies if you ACTUALLY killed someone with your car. He backed up his point using attempted murder as an example, which is irrelevant. When someone gets done for attempted murder, they are TRYING to kill someone. This is different to acting recklessly so someone COULD be killed by accident.

[@paulo1787]

Excessive but I'm more intrigued of why the courts have turned on them after giving them ( incorrectly) the idea they would not be held accountable

[@richardk5246]

The painting is priceless and I think they should have received a higher sentence.

[@carolzippel5021]

Being convicted and. going to prison has long term effects. They now have a criminal record and finding work or a place to live will become a lot harder.

[@harold6863]

It should but unfortunately I suspect rich mummy and daddy will take care of them and look after their ponies whilst away😂

[@Fedorevsky]

They should have thought about that before doing vile criminal acts

[@reneep.1978]

Well, that's on them, isn't it?? Actions have consequences and a criminal record with jail time is theirs.

[@matthewrowe9903]

BBC job offers will be incoming as we speak

[@quantisedspace7047]

Thank you for getting the pronunciation of van Gough correct. I'm fed up hearing "van goff" and "van go".

[@philipturner9087]

This just enforces my belief we should bring back hard labour. They should spend the five years on bikes peddling to produce electricity to light the art gallery.

[@tomsmith6882]

The point of the right of protest is to allow people to voice their opinion to a wide audience - if it catches on, the movement grows in number & forces change. It’s not so small groups can random society

[@aliceobrien8390]

I love the pashion of the art loveing man, great to know thay wrnr to jale, it will teach the rick kids there is a price to paye when you break the law

[@Kenny_Wayne_III]

The windmill has a motor on it for aesthetics. How many analogies I could make from this statement alone!

[@mikelangley5100]

Why did it take two years to sentence them when people that have posted wrong memes have been sent to prison strait away?

[@joelhall5124]

Hope springs eternal

[@matthewtalbot-paine7977]

Ohhhh a man who knows the difference between a suffragist and a suffragette is my kind of man

[@barbarapalmer1404]

Worcester cathedral is different on each side, though I was told that the more ornate side was done before the black death, and then there were not so many craftsmen so the other side was much more plain.

[@mrakuloid]

"It's not really a matter of whether it caused damage". Charges of "Actual bodily harm" and "grievous bodily harm" demonstrate that it is possible to factor damage caused into a prosecution. That's because the damage someone causes is most definitely a factor in assessing the severity of a crime.

[@Mad_as_a_box_of_frogs]

Fantastic about time too. 👏😁

[@alextang1030]

I know how those people think, they will think going to jail is a badge of honor.

[@JustMe-dd5ou]

Not long enough!! 🤷‍♀️

[@margaretnicol3423]

YES!

[@zulu1184]

“It was an oil painting” 😝

[@grahambate1567]

2 impressive individuals

[@chrisstott3508]

Two years is fine. Can we crowdfund the gibbet?

[@wendyconnew6458]

Fortunately, the painting was protected by glass. . It's unimaginal what they would have done to it trying to clean it up if the painting wasn't protected.

[@KeiPalace]

the glass is because art is vandalized on the regular, or stolen, from someone who works in museums

[@markgc65]

I am happy! with it!

[@davejohnson7178]

Three just stop oil protesters did the same stunt on 27/09/24 on the same painting. if (small if) they are found guilty do the sentencing guidelines allow a stronger sentence to be given as it was a copy cat just after the initial two were sentenced ?

[@shawnawana235]

Some paper should list out the names of all these rich kids and thier parents and shame them into behaving

[@simbro1981]

They should be in jail for min 5 years. It's not long enough.

[@JanBruunAndersen]

Fully justified.