Will You Get More Gains From Dropsets & Pre-Exhaustion? | Educational Video | Dr. Layne Norton PhD

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Dr. Layne Norton

Dr. Layne Norton

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@CJ2345ish
@CJ2345ish 3 ай бұрын
You should do a video on the study Jeff Nippard just did on the design for long length partials in trained lifters.
@GayBearDaddy2
@GayBearDaddy2 3 ай бұрын
I second this! I know that the other doctors who contributed posted their results on their videos as well, but it'd be nice to see Dr. Norton's input.
@VernCrisler
@VernCrisler 3 ай бұрын
Good idea. I think one thing is clear. The lengthened position is the most important part of the lift and it's why momentum sets are a total waste of time.
@PaddyDoesasia-bj3bb
@PaddyDoesasia-bj3bb 3 ай бұрын
There is no benefit to partials over full range of motion
@hjewkes
@hjewkes 3 ай бұрын
@@PaddyDoesasia-bj3bbmy understanding is that they found that there is no benefit to lengthened partials at the same reps, sets, and load over full rom. The question being, if you can skip half the ROM could you do more work or heavier sets?
@PaddyDoesasia-bj3bb
@PaddyDoesasia-bj3bb 3 ай бұрын
@hjewkes You can always keep asking questions, if, but, maybe, but anyone 6 using lifting weights as an accessory to their sport should be doing full range of motion. Jmo. I personally don't want to be strong over a partial range of motion, I want to increase strength over the full range.
@SussNit
@SussNit 3 ай бұрын
Pre exhaustion has changed my chest dramatically this last 12 months. It creates such a better mind-muscle connection, plus you feel your presses so much better
@radezzientertainment501
@radezzientertainment501 3 ай бұрын
ive been doing db flys before my main chest movement recently and havent been this sore in a while
@SussNit
@SussNit 3 ай бұрын
@@radezzientertainment501 yep same, made huge improvements, il start with either incline cable, flat cable, or under hand. Each session do a different one
@m.j.5681
@m.j.5681 2 ай бұрын
Drop sets are my main method since I like the time savings and intensity. Great to see a study on this since it has been little studied.
@chrisdonnell2575
@chrisdonnell2575 3 ай бұрын
Great video if I'm short on time I DO drop sets, rest pause and often pre fatigue as well good to know this likely isn't slowing my progress!
@bethadams2752
@bethadams2752 3 ай бұрын
Such a great review! Thank you!
@collemwillst1810
@collemwillst1810 3 ай бұрын
Always great info, thanks Doc!
@TheHybrid350
@TheHybrid350 3 ай бұрын
This is something I've always been interested in, thanks.
@ADeArce
@ADeArce 3 ай бұрын
They really missed the main point of pre exhaustion. It’s really more for injury prevention than gains. I use them so for example I can do a 4 plate hack squat vs a 5 plate hack squat and keep some load off my body.
@Mushroom_cloud_layin_mf.mf.
@Mushroom_cloud_layin_mf.mf. 2 ай бұрын
What were the results of the study i gel like he didn't even disclose? What did he say about pre exhaustion
@user-nm3ug3zq1y
@user-nm3ug3zq1y 2 ай бұрын
In a study about pre-exhaustion, I'd prefer to see a bunch of lifters specifically chosen for their *bad levers*. Say you're a dude with very long arms. *That's* the case where shoulders and/or triceps are most likely to become the limiting factor in benching and where pre-exhausting may serve the biggest purpose.
@shantanusapru
@shantanusapru 3 ай бұрын
Pre-print only yet!
@Jaylynn8
@Jaylynn8 3 ай бұрын
FOR THE ALGORITHM 🎉
@BodyBalanceBlueprint-qh2im
@BodyBalanceBlueprint-qh2im 3 ай бұрын
It had good positive points
@giabyul
@giabyul 3 ай бұрын
I'll keep my drop sets thank you very much
@brucejensen3081
@brucejensen3081 3 ай бұрын
Super sets too?
@m.j.5681
@m.j.5681 2 ай бұрын
Same here. Time savings and especially intensity are the 2 main draws for me. Plus my personal gym is highly conducive to such training.
@matthewdebono862
@matthewdebono862 2 ай бұрын
I'm in no way a scientist but from my perspective: They tested agonist SuperSets, not Drop Sets (yes you explained the research drawbacks well). IMO they could still have volume equated with actual supersets by doing 2 consecutive sets on each movement - first to failure, then with a drop. That would equate to 2 sets' worth of volume in relation to the other groups. Or they should have re-titled the study to be about "Super Sets" I have a larger issue with this study overall though, which is that they tested Quads. The Leg Press as a compound movement is already very mechhanically biased to primarily target quads over any synergistic musles (i.e. glutes, calves). I still think that pre-exhausts are very helpful in making sure your target muscle reaches failure before its assistance muslces when it comes to chest (over shoulders & triceps), back (over elbow flexors, rear delts & teres); and hamstrings (in an RDL over Erectors & glutes). Inversely I think that in shoulder training, much like quad training, the compound movements there (shoulder press & leg press) are already largely biased towards the targe muscle, unless one has particularly weak triceps or glutes.
@ryan17stehle
@ryan17stehle 3 ай бұрын
Wouldn't pre-exhaustion limit the systemic fatigue and lead to better recovery? Seems like you'd have a reduced load on your compounds which would limit the overall fatigue on your body?
@barbedwiredbear3308
@barbedwiredbear3308 3 ай бұрын
All these vids like nippard just did too, make sam sulek more n more right. ..... Intensity n effort to failure matter most across the board.
@DrAJ_LatinAmerica
@DrAJ_LatinAmerica 3 ай бұрын
I like when you say it, just wish that more studies were actually "Controlled" (meaning Lock & Key). Most RCT's lack the "C".
@craig3040
@craig3040 2 ай бұрын
Not surprising at the results. A muscle fires from the low frequency (5hz) in to the higher frequencies to the rule of 5 (around 25hz and above for some people, depending on their neuromuscular efficiencies.) As long as the exercise is taken close to failure with an ample resistance for the required amount of repetitions, all is good, as most of the fibres will be activated.
@dmcc2873
@dmcc2873 2 ай бұрын
Ouch. This video seems all kinds of wrong. "3 sets" - they did 4 sets. "TRT did 30% 1RM on LE's" they did 70%. Not sure where else we have errors in the vid v the data on the screen. I think if you READ the text provided (thank you!), you'll get it...?
@Edgycoo
@Edgycoo 3 ай бұрын
I appreciate all this science, HOWEVER!!! I dont like it when they bastardise how we train or eat to control for the variables. When they test low carb, its never quite low carb and when they do drop sets they equate xyz so as not to give one group an advantage yadayadayada. I get it, HOWEVER, maybe that is the appeal of the drop set! you get more sets in in less time and therefore it wins out by being a volume increaser without it feeling like you are adding in more volume. Please, for once, just do it how we do it! If dropsets are better because you do more volume, THEN SO BE IT!!!!
@nichtsistkostenlos6565
@nichtsistkostenlos6565 3 ай бұрын
How would you have designed the study? It seems to me like a catch-22 situation where you introduce problems no matter which way you do it.
@Edgycoo
@Edgycoo 3 ай бұрын
@@nichtsistkostenlos6565 i would of designed it poorly and answered everyone's questions accurately. My answer would literally read, "i know there are tons of uneven variables but it would seem that drop sets are better if you have 40mins at the gym lol" for me, the constant would of been time.
@Ryan-wx1bi
@Ryan-wx1bi 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, studies on these things are generally worthless in my opinion. What if there is a group that has better diet/sleep/number of androgens. Then the other group doesn't eat enough, horrible sleep etc. until I see a study that controls all of this and it's for 6 months I won't care
@justenhansen
@justenhansen 2 ай бұрын
💯💯💯 drop sets are the best for absolutely killing your muscles in the least amount of time.
@robhodgman1360
@robhodgman1360 3 ай бұрын
Couldn't find that shirt in description. Also need a science>feelings shirts
@Jbc1998
@Jbc1998 3 ай бұрын
All hail the algorithm
@paddy3622
@paddy3622 3 ай бұрын
nice job on dan abrams show last night.
@nopunintended2346
@nopunintended2346 3 ай бұрын
Tldr. Just workout with intesity, focus on form, dont be stupid and injure yourself needlessly... and youll get muscle. Boom
@altname4742
@altname4742 2 ай бұрын
Also eat well and rest enough. There's no mystery. Do the basic with consistency and the results WILL come
@nopunintended2346
@nopunintended2346 2 ай бұрын
@@altname4742 I agree with this 100%. Keep it simple
@samsung40_media87
@samsung40_media87 3 ай бұрын
time under tension?
@jzdavis9799
@jzdavis9799 3 ай бұрын
Means nothing
@stephenperry5972
@stephenperry5972 3 ай бұрын
Nice
@mircha2144
@mircha2144 3 ай бұрын
I recommend adding 1 super-set with negative only reps (2-3) with a higher weight until failure.
@galapalafala
@galapalafala 3 ай бұрын
Could you do a video where you review Dr. Berg's claims. He's a chiropractor and a keto diet promoter.
@nichtsistkostenlos6565
@nichtsistkostenlos6565 3 ай бұрын
Which claims specifically? Berg has made hundreds of claims.
@galapalafala
@galapalafala 3 ай бұрын
@@nichtsistkostenlos6565 Good point. The video I saw was, "I will get attacked for this". I can't even remember what he discussed at this point, but it's not relevant as much as it is for him to be challenged on his views. I don't like the fact that he's a chiropractor making health claims outside of anything a chiropractor would be an expert in. The fact that it gets millions of views is concerning if he's making false claims.
@shaunfishman1244
@shaunfishman1244 3 ай бұрын
Still need mio reps covered!
@wigletron2846
@wigletron2846 3 ай бұрын
Myo reps are just rest pause with a marketable name
@shaunfishman1244
@shaunfishman1244 3 ай бұрын
@@wigletron2846 thanks....I am more interested in it's effectiveness compared to things like drop sets, pre fatigue sets, etc.
@AugmentedDictatorGames
@AugmentedDictatorGames 3 ай бұрын
Apparently, I have been doing pre-exhaustion without knowing it. 😂😂
@bingo12bingo
@bingo12bingo 3 ай бұрын
REPS
@titanmaximum239
@titanmaximum239 2 ай бұрын
4 D algo.
@SweatinSixty
@SweatinSixty 3 ай бұрын
You need to add “repeatable” to your little mantra
@gokukakarot1855
@gokukakarot1855 3 ай бұрын
For the algorithm
@mistermusic7
@mistermusic7 3 ай бұрын
But what about turkesterone, bro??
@sbsnate2312
@sbsnate2312 3 ай бұрын
Harder than last time
@StrengthAndConditioning61
@StrengthAndConditioning61 3 ай бұрын
I'm a creature of habit and will continue doing things the way I currently do them. Day in day out, week after week, month after month, year after year. Seems to be working for me
@peterfarr9591
@peterfarr9591 3 ай бұрын
Something I'm a bit confused by is in regards to how we now classify volume as the number of hard sets performed. In this study, it sounds like the number of hard sets was equated for the drop set research, but considering the drop set to be a new "hard set". I would think that if you don't rest at all between your first set and your drop set (which is typical) that you are doing more work in the first set. If we consider those to be two sets, and find equal hypertrophy between drop set group and straight set group, it seems to imply that volume tonnage actually *does* matter. At what point does something become a new hard set or just more volume in a single set?
@HumbleDictator
@HumbleDictator 3 ай бұрын
Eric Helms was saying recently that analysis of the data tends to show that a dropset seemingly count as a third of straight set.
@peterfarr9591
@peterfarr9591 3 ай бұрын
@@HumbleDictator thanks for that! I guess I'm still curious how we get to call it a different set though if there's no rest in between. To me it implies that there actually is some utility to using sets x reps x weight when computing volume. Or at the very least that simply # of hard sets isn't the full picture. If it were the full picture, I should be able to rest only 30 seconds between sets and get the same hypertrophy, even if that minimal rest means I did way fewer total reps. That just doesn't seem to align with the data though
@HumbleDictator
@HumbleDictator 3 ай бұрын
@peterfarr9591 yes there is definitely something to the absolute amount of tonnage too. It's just that volume load gets silly when doing higher rep ranges.
@peterfarr9591
@peterfarr9591 3 ай бұрын
@@HumbleDictator right. Like different loads aren't directly comparable or else high rep work would always be favorable
@Jimmy29li
@Jimmy29li 2 ай бұрын
We actually don't like when you say it.
@justenhansen
@justenhansen 2 ай бұрын
😅
@K4R3N
@K4R3N 3 ай бұрын
FTA
@brucejensen3081
@brucejensen3081 3 ай бұрын
When somebody calls a super set a drop set, you wonder how much they know. You pre exhaust to bring up a lagging body part. Super sets are good as a variation.
@rentaleper3816
@rentaleper3816 3 ай бұрын
fta
@flexlikeag
@flexlikeag 3 ай бұрын
Fta
@marktureaud4094
@marktureaud4094 3 ай бұрын
I HAVE to do pre-exhaustion AND drop sets and rest-pause and full range of motion and baby partials and lengthened partials because I ONLY do compound body resistance exercises - And even though it is quick/ incredibly painful and only one superset per body part - It WORKS BALLS!!!
@utubebrowseupload
@utubebrowseupload 3 ай бұрын
No layne, i seriously hate when you yell human randomized control trial, its annoying as hell. Thanks for the educational content though.
@jzdavis9799
@jzdavis9799 3 ай бұрын
The forced exuberance to start the videos is cringe af
@VegetaPrinceOfSaiyans
@VegetaPrinceOfSaiyans 3 ай бұрын
First
@trycrlos
@trycrlos 3 ай бұрын
Congrats 🎉
@pwnagenuss
@pwnagenuss 3 ай бұрын
Reply to me for a quick answer plz
@F1083
@F1083 3 ай бұрын
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@Spok-q8b
@Spok-q8b 3 ай бұрын
@@F1083 ☝
@jockwithajoystick
@jockwithajoystick 3 ай бұрын
The reason all of yall are small and weak (including this Dr guy) is because yall over think training. Train to the limit, eat to the limit, and recover
@rememberme3762
@rememberme3762 3 ай бұрын
He has world records for squats😂😂
@nichtsistkostenlos6565
@nichtsistkostenlos6565 3 ай бұрын
"Eat to the limit" No, I'm not doing that
@dannypacini9820
@dannypacini9820 3 ай бұрын
4 the Algo
@andrewzach1921
@andrewzach1921 3 ай бұрын
For the algorithm
@justingroth1
@justingroth1 3 ай бұрын
FTA
@mp1092
@mp1092 3 ай бұрын
For the algorithm
@knutevids
@knutevids 3 ай бұрын
FTA
@scaraboy
@scaraboy 3 ай бұрын
FTA
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