You should do a video on the study Jeff Nippard just did on the design for long length partials in trained lifters.
@GayBearDaddy23 ай бұрын
I second this! I know that the other doctors who contributed posted their results on their videos as well, but it'd be nice to see Dr. Norton's input.
@VernCrisler3 ай бұрын
Good idea. I think one thing is clear. The lengthened position is the most important part of the lift and it's why momentum sets are a total waste of time.
@PaddyDoesasia-bj3bb3 ай бұрын
There is no benefit to partials over full range of motion
@hjewkes3 ай бұрын
@@PaddyDoesasia-bj3bbmy understanding is that they found that there is no benefit to lengthened partials at the same reps, sets, and load over full rom. The question being, if you can skip half the ROM could you do more work or heavier sets?
@PaddyDoesasia-bj3bb3 ай бұрын
@hjewkes You can always keep asking questions, if, but, maybe, but anyone 6 using lifting weights as an accessory to their sport should be doing full range of motion. Jmo. I personally don't want to be strong over a partial range of motion, I want to increase strength over the full range.
@SussNit3 ай бұрын
Pre exhaustion has changed my chest dramatically this last 12 months. It creates such a better mind-muscle connection, plus you feel your presses so much better
@radezzientertainment5013 ай бұрын
ive been doing db flys before my main chest movement recently and havent been this sore in a while
@SussNit3 ай бұрын
@@radezzientertainment501 yep same, made huge improvements, il start with either incline cable, flat cable, or under hand. Each session do a different one
@m.j.56812 ай бұрын
Drop sets are my main method since I like the time savings and intensity. Great to see a study on this since it has been little studied.
@chrisdonnell25753 ай бұрын
Great video if I'm short on time I DO drop sets, rest pause and often pre fatigue as well good to know this likely isn't slowing my progress!
@bethadams27523 ай бұрын
Such a great review! Thank you!
@collemwillst18103 ай бұрын
Always great info, thanks Doc!
@TheHybrid3503 ай бұрын
This is something I've always been interested in, thanks.
@ADeArce3 ай бұрын
They really missed the main point of pre exhaustion. It’s really more for injury prevention than gains. I use them so for example I can do a 4 plate hack squat vs a 5 plate hack squat and keep some load off my body.
@Mushroom_cloud_layin_mf.mf.2 ай бұрын
What were the results of the study i gel like he didn't even disclose? What did he say about pre exhaustion
@user-nm3ug3zq1y2 ай бұрын
In a study about pre-exhaustion, I'd prefer to see a bunch of lifters specifically chosen for their *bad levers*. Say you're a dude with very long arms. *That's* the case where shoulders and/or triceps are most likely to become the limiting factor in benching and where pre-exhausting may serve the biggest purpose.
@shantanusapru3 ай бұрын
Pre-print only yet!
@Jaylynn83 ай бұрын
FOR THE ALGORITHM 🎉
@BodyBalanceBlueprint-qh2im3 ай бұрын
It had good positive points
@giabyul3 ай бұрын
I'll keep my drop sets thank you very much
@brucejensen30813 ай бұрын
Super sets too?
@m.j.56812 ай бұрын
Same here. Time savings and especially intensity are the 2 main draws for me. Plus my personal gym is highly conducive to such training.
@matthewdebono8622 ай бұрын
I'm in no way a scientist but from my perspective: They tested agonist SuperSets, not Drop Sets (yes you explained the research drawbacks well). IMO they could still have volume equated with actual supersets by doing 2 consecutive sets on each movement - first to failure, then with a drop. That would equate to 2 sets' worth of volume in relation to the other groups. Or they should have re-titled the study to be about "Super Sets" I have a larger issue with this study overall though, which is that they tested Quads. The Leg Press as a compound movement is already very mechhanically biased to primarily target quads over any synergistic musles (i.e. glutes, calves). I still think that pre-exhausts are very helpful in making sure your target muscle reaches failure before its assistance muslces when it comes to chest (over shoulders & triceps), back (over elbow flexors, rear delts & teres); and hamstrings (in an RDL over Erectors & glutes). Inversely I think that in shoulder training, much like quad training, the compound movements there (shoulder press & leg press) are already largely biased towards the targe muscle, unless one has particularly weak triceps or glutes.
@ryan17stehle3 ай бұрын
Wouldn't pre-exhaustion limit the systemic fatigue and lead to better recovery? Seems like you'd have a reduced load on your compounds which would limit the overall fatigue on your body?
@barbedwiredbear33083 ай бұрын
All these vids like nippard just did too, make sam sulek more n more right. ..... Intensity n effort to failure matter most across the board.
@DrAJ_LatinAmerica3 ай бұрын
I like when you say it, just wish that more studies were actually "Controlled" (meaning Lock & Key). Most RCT's lack the "C".
@craig30402 ай бұрын
Not surprising at the results. A muscle fires from the low frequency (5hz) in to the higher frequencies to the rule of 5 (around 25hz and above for some people, depending on their neuromuscular efficiencies.) As long as the exercise is taken close to failure with an ample resistance for the required amount of repetitions, all is good, as most of the fibres will be activated.
@dmcc28732 ай бұрын
Ouch. This video seems all kinds of wrong. "3 sets" - they did 4 sets. "TRT did 30% 1RM on LE's" they did 70%. Not sure where else we have errors in the vid v the data on the screen. I think if you READ the text provided (thank you!), you'll get it...?
@Edgycoo3 ай бұрын
I appreciate all this science, HOWEVER!!! I dont like it when they bastardise how we train or eat to control for the variables. When they test low carb, its never quite low carb and when they do drop sets they equate xyz so as not to give one group an advantage yadayadayada. I get it, HOWEVER, maybe that is the appeal of the drop set! you get more sets in in less time and therefore it wins out by being a volume increaser without it feeling like you are adding in more volume. Please, for once, just do it how we do it! If dropsets are better because you do more volume, THEN SO BE IT!!!!
@nichtsistkostenlos65653 ай бұрын
How would you have designed the study? It seems to me like a catch-22 situation where you introduce problems no matter which way you do it.
@Edgycoo3 ай бұрын
@@nichtsistkostenlos6565 i would of designed it poorly and answered everyone's questions accurately. My answer would literally read, "i know there are tons of uneven variables but it would seem that drop sets are better if you have 40mins at the gym lol" for me, the constant would of been time.
@Ryan-wx1bi2 ай бұрын
Yeah, studies on these things are generally worthless in my opinion. What if there is a group that has better diet/sleep/number of androgens. Then the other group doesn't eat enough, horrible sleep etc. until I see a study that controls all of this and it's for 6 months I won't care
@justenhansen2 ай бұрын
💯💯💯 drop sets are the best for absolutely killing your muscles in the least amount of time.
@robhodgman13603 ай бұрын
Couldn't find that shirt in description. Also need a science>feelings shirts
@Jbc19983 ай бұрын
All hail the algorithm
@paddy36223 ай бұрын
nice job on dan abrams show last night.
@nopunintended23463 ай бұрын
Tldr. Just workout with intesity, focus on form, dont be stupid and injure yourself needlessly... and youll get muscle. Boom
@altname47422 ай бұрын
Also eat well and rest enough. There's no mystery. Do the basic with consistency and the results WILL come
@nopunintended23462 ай бұрын
@@altname4742 I agree with this 100%. Keep it simple
@samsung40_media873 ай бұрын
time under tension?
@jzdavis97993 ай бұрын
Means nothing
@stephenperry59723 ай бұрын
Nice
@mircha21443 ай бұрын
I recommend adding 1 super-set with negative only reps (2-3) with a higher weight until failure.
@galapalafala3 ай бұрын
Could you do a video where you review Dr. Berg's claims. He's a chiropractor and a keto diet promoter.
@nichtsistkostenlos65653 ай бұрын
Which claims specifically? Berg has made hundreds of claims.
@galapalafala3 ай бұрын
@@nichtsistkostenlos6565 Good point. The video I saw was, "I will get attacked for this". I can't even remember what he discussed at this point, but it's not relevant as much as it is for him to be challenged on his views. I don't like the fact that he's a chiropractor making health claims outside of anything a chiropractor would be an expert in. The fact that it gets millions of views is concerning if he's making false claims.
@shaunfishman12443 ай бұрын
Still need mio reps covered!
@wigletron28463 ай бұрын
Myo reps are just rest pause with a marketable name
@shaunfishman12443 ай бұрын
@@wigletron2846 thanks....I am more interested in it's effectiveness compared to things like drop sets, pre fatigue sets, etc.
@AugmentedDictatorGames3 ай бұрын
Apparently, I have been doing pre-exhaustion without knowing it. 😂😂
@bingo12bingo3 ай бұрын
REPS
@titanmaximum2392 ай бұрын
4 D algo.
@SweatinSixty3 ай бұрын
You need to add “repeatable” to your little mantra
@gokukakarot18553 ай бұрын
For the algorithm
@mistermusic73 ай бұрын
But what about turkesterone, bro??
@sbsnate23123 ай бұрын
Harder than last time
@StrengthAndConditioning613 ай бұрын
I'm a creature of habit and will continue doing things the way I currently do them. Day in day out, week after week, month after month, year after year. Seems to be working for me
@peterfarr95913 ай бұрын
Something I'm a bit confused by is in regards to how we now classify volume as the number of hard sets performed. In this study, it sounds like the number of hard sets was equated for the drop set research, but considering the drop set to be a new "hard set". I would think that if you don't rest at all between your first set and your drop set (which is typical) that you are doing more work in the first set. If we consider those to be two sets, and find equal hypertrophy between drop set group and straight set group, it seems to imply that volume tonnage actually *does* matter. At what point does something become a new hard set or just more volume in a single set?
@HumbleDictator3 ай бұрын
Eric Helms was saying recently that analysis of the data tends to show that a dropset seemingly count as a third of straight set.
@peterfarr95913 ай бұрын
@@HumbleDictator thanks for that! I guess I'm still curious how we get to call it a different set though if there's no rest in between. To me it implies that there actually is some utility to using sets x reps x weight when computing volume. Or at the very least that simply # of hard sets isn't the full picture. If it were the full picture, I should be able to rest only 30 seconds between sets and get the same hypertrophy, even if that minimal rest means I did way fewer total reps. That just doesn't seem to align with the data though
@HumbleDictator3 ай бұрын
@peterfarr9591 yes there is definitely something to the absolute amount of tonnage too. It's just that volume load gets silly when doing higher rep ranges.
@peterfarr95913 ай бұрын
@@HumbleDictator right. Like different loads aren't directly comparable or else high rep work would always be favorable
@Jimmy29li2 ай бұрын
We actually don't like when you say it.
@justenhansen2 ай бұрын
😅
@K4R3N3 ай бұрын
FTA
@brucejensen30813 ай бұрын
When somebody calls a super set a drop set, you wonder how much they know. You pre exhaust to bring up a lagging body part. Super sets are good as a variation.
@rentaleper38163 ай бұрын
fta
@flexlikeag3 ай бұрын
Fta
@marktureaud40943 ай бұрын
I HAVE to do pre-exhaustion AND drop sets and rest-pause and full range of motion and baby partials and lengthened partials because I ONLY do compound body resistance exercises - And even though it is quick/ incredibly painful and only one superset per body part - It WORKS BALLS!!!
@utubebrowseupload3 ай бұрын
No layne, i seriously hate when you yell human randomized control trial, its annoying as hell. Thanks for the educational content though.
@jzdavis97993 ай бұрын
The forced exuberance to start the videos is cringe af
@VegetaPrinceOfSaiyans3 ай бұрын
First
@trycrlos3 ай бұрын
Congrats 🎉
@pwnagenuss3 ай бұрын
Reply to me for a quick answer plz
@F10833 ай бұрын
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@Spok-q8b3 ай бұрын
@@F1083 ☝
@jockwithajoystick3 ай бұрын
The reason all of yall are small and weak (including this Dr guy) is because yall over think training. Train to the limit, eat to the limit, and recover