Raiding In World of Warcraft - 17 Years Later (Race to World First)

[@Invhytas]

Well made and extremely well researched. Summing up 17 years of history for anything without major mistakes is hard, yet this video does that flawlessly.

[@sonyabladesbooty3890]

Actually he forgot lich king?

[@abbiejo6822]

@@sonyabladesbooty3890no he talked about that raid and the accidental saronite bomb hack

[@Scorch5830]

That intro was a BANGER

[@720zone]

THANK YOU for this excellent recap! I was there at the beginning. First run into UBRS in Dec-04 on Suramar, first server run into MC. I had T0.5 chest and it was solid orange because the graphics weren't added until a later patch. I don't play anymore, but still have the account with that first mage. He has 'Old School Ride' - the very first WoW achievement, bought an epic mount prior to the April-05 implementation of the model, so it was just plain white.

[@Voojitsu]

27:20 Wille is speaking about Treckie here. Fun fact (at least for me): during BFA I joined a group lead by Treckie for Ghuun heroic during his stream and it ended similarly, he was the only person alive for

[@SpartanLink]

At the gym for two hours and this week take up most of that time. Thank you

[@Krzych66665]

Dude I am not even playing the game anymore, still watching your videos, such a great insight of the game and it's design. Very well done friend!

[@Kevkoss]

I'd say packing 17 years of raiding into 44 minute video is an achievement. And the length is relatevely short. So I think you achieved your goal ;) Two 1 hour long videos wouldn't be something unexpected for this topic :)

[@PharaohofAtlantis]

That intro was sick.

[@macintire5104]

such an awesome video. I remember most of it as i played WoW since 2004 myself. This was such a nostalgic trip for me. Thank you for the video

[@TheScabbyRat]

Intro is epic

[@aic20]

This video was not only informational, funny, and entertaining but the second that WotLK login screen hit I went deep into the nostalgia and the feels hit harder. Good fucking times... we really had such a good childhood if you played this game back then you know what im talking about. Hope to see more great content!

[@lotropug2320]

I don't have any nostalgia for vanillia,tbc or wotlk sinc I didn't play them back then. But I have still been playing classic since release.. Best raiding MMOs even to this day. Yes it's not the most challenging, and yes its not the most balanced experience.. But that is what makes it fun O.o Played Shadowlands for like 2 months at release, then back to classic.

[@0mn0mable]

Yo, im on your vibe BIG TIME with that WOTLK login screen. Syndragosa let it rip so hard and i caught the feels so hard. Literally could feel the feeling of my body getting blasted back into memory lane from that login screen. I'm hyped just for the login screen. Actual, wotlk hype-levels? Astronomical. CLEGANE-BOWL levels of hype. (ref: clegane bowl kzbin.info/www/bejne/pqS2Y3yDe9CrgdE )

[@asmrtpop2676]

@@lotropug2320 I have so much nostalgia and current love for WoW but Shadowlands just isn’t it. I have played since TBC and only recently realized you can still play vanilla Classic, thought I had to do TBC (and now Wrath). I’m having so much fun going through a character on vanilla and finally getting to experience that part of the story organically ❤

[@ReckqWow]

For me that feeling comes with cataclysm. My best friend and I did recruit a friend and leveled as many characters as we could before the xp boost ran out.

[@SolheimGaming]

a 44 minute WillE video, the perfect way to spend my Friday Night

[@tylerm6080]

literally

[@ds7822]

Agreed followed by your videos of course.

[@pustensalanca95]

You are god damn right sir!

[@Toyhouze]

And Saturday night watching it again.

[@bobbykotick1163]

Get your tongue out of his arse

[@TheSuperTrickey]

I have followed the race to world first since early TBC and was even fortunate enough to take part during the Cataclysm and MOP expansions. Some of my best memories in life are from these experiences. I am no longer able to play but still watch it. To date this is my favourite video you've produced. Thank you.

[@BvictoryforChrist]

Why can you no longer play? Watching a 45 min video about it leads me to think you could afford 45 mins inside wow. Lol mostly teasing and slightly curious. Come join us on Kronos private server, it’s free - classic wow. AQ will be opened soon. ZG was just opened 2 months ago. Raiding guilds on both factions. Mostly EU but there is some NA raiding guilds.

[@daniellook7165]

Yeah i Want to know too

[@TheSytak]

Yeah, maybe he or she can play casually... but maybe dont want to? Like if they'd do, they would only consider going all in and just can't no more? Life continues.

[@rasmus4815]

24:36 that gives me goosebumps

[@victoriorgulescu1036]

Please continue to make this type of content. while playing WoW, I learn Wow history by listening to you.

[@Hanging_Brain]

Go check out preachgaming’s old wow videos and storytimes. Great stuff

[@dmitrynorth2506]

Also check out MadSeasonShow, his content is awesome

[@victoriorgulescu1036]

@@dmitrynorth2506 i’ve gone through all of it multple times :D

[@TG____]

I know I'm like 7 months late but platinum wow is also a good channel

[@gpwdirt8383]

@@TG____ glad to see I'm not the only creeper late to the party. I dig wow content ... there doesn't seem to be enough.

[@kallenxtv321]

We need more of this!!!! This was such an awesome video! Thank you for the quality content as always!

[@thomassleziak1222]

700 pulls during 9 days is just mad. Let’s say the average pull time is 8 minutes. It is 5600 minutes, 9 days have 12960 minutes. What the hell :D

[@jonathankarabowicz1901]

Absolutely amazing! The nostalgia and memories this brought back is unmatched. Cheers on another awesome video!

[@kingbloody9687]

One of the best videos I've ever seen in KZbin Thanks a lot for effort and keep going for amazing videos

[@TheRealCeeJai]

Ensidia being stripped of WF for the bombs is still such a load of crap. They didn't do it intentionally, they even came out and explained it afterwards. The Saronite Bombs were a part of everyone's rotation who was an engineer at the time and they even stated they were pretty sure the platform wasn't supposed to be rebuilding itself, but they didn't know why. Given how buggy the rest of the raids in WotLK were at launch and that this well before every ability and mechanic encounter was spelled out in the Dungeon Journal, it was really bad faith on Blizzard's part to punish them for this "exploit". If you release bugged and broken encounters, you should expect bugged and broken kills. End of story.

[@tompatompsson]

I mean it was just the normal 25m no one cared about it.

[@TheRealCeeJai]

@@tompatompsson Apparently Blizzard did, mate...a lot more than 25 N Ulduar.

[@tompatompsson]

@@TheRealCeeJai Yeah but it still doesn't matter. Even if it was fucking stupid to punish them being "stripped of the WF" for N25 doesn't matter.

[@TheRealCeeJai]

@@tompatompsson Yet you, me, and WillE are discussing it 12+ years later. Take the L, mate. Clearly it does matter.

[@tompatompsson]

@@TheRealCeeJai Why would a normal kill matter to a WF guild? 🤣

[@flaskoflife9044]

more of these type of vids, loved it man keep it up

[@KiboRex]

Nice vid WillE! I've played World of Warcraft for 16 years. I've been through a lot of ups and downs. I've been there as a supporter of Blizzard and the game. It hurts to see what happened to this game. But I am so happy I played it! This game is (was?) life

[@a.N.....]

What happened to the game?

[@a.N.....]

What happened to the game?

[@robertrijkers4923]

a full level 1 gnome raid on hogger..... missed that one

[@thijsdeckers2083]

Brilliant ,long time i've watched such an amusing WoW video

[@osgrov]

Oh, this was a lovely trip down memory lane. I enjoyed this greatly, thank you.

[@BaneGrievver]

Very fun video! Really brings back the memories! One minor thing though - @11:10 you say that Black Temple was the first time there was a PTR for raiding. That's not exactly true... I remember the Patch 1.11 PTR (Naxx 40) coming out and you were encouraged to try the new raid. That PTR was the first time you were able to get premade characters (not just your own character copied over), fully equippped with AQ40 gear, to allow people to test Naxx out. I wish I still had my screenshots from those days, but I do also recall a Naxx attunement NPC (it might have been Captain Placeholder) that let you skip the attunement quests. But you're right that BT was the first PTR where there were large scale efforts to learn the raid before release.

[@XentheTek]

The "I really hope the wait is worth it" and the screen changing to WoD got me 😂😂

[@TheOT94ever]

Man. I’ve never done so much busy work in my life. I had my AirPods in and my phone in my pocket. I was just lost in the lore. The way you make your videos is top tier in my book. Thank you! Please do more!! 🙏🏾

[@daketh4572]

Yeah kinda the same. Up at 3:45am listening to this while I do gym

[@TheSytak]

Haha same

[@IonFreeZe]

Such nostalgia. Thanks for this.

[@thetallgrass]

God tier video. Thanks WillE

[@SymbianBlack]

Subbed and liked off the strength of this video! Method is the greatest raiding guild we ever seen

[@MSDGAMEZ]

I started playing WOW a month ago. I have been missing out all these years. Addictive

[@KalleLagerlof]

I stopped playing 13 years ago... Still makes me nostalgic thinking back

[@nickv3085]

Finally a new wille video I actually want to listen to. Feels like vintage wille

[@GAMERBERG420]

Thanks for the cool and long vid WillE

[@Capanel]

loved the length and work you did on this, i know its a lot but it doesnt go unappreciated

[@Zutang777]

I loved raiding so much in wrath. The idea behind raiding is the most difficult content in the game after you get pre raid gear from dungeons or maybe quests I didn’t get to raid in TBC because the MMO part of the game was doing BT and sunwell. I was stuck doing quests alone with no social experience Once I played in wrath I got into dungeons and met so many people while I was leveling I had an extreme social experience. It helped me get to the end of the game quickly as well where the mmo player base was. I then did the ICC heroics they were somewhat difficult but it made it easier when the group talked it out to learn the fight. My guild told me once I get the pre raid gear I could do ICC 10 man normal. I got raid gear and also did 25 man normal with pugs, later defeated the live king and did a few bosses on heroic. I was a really crappy dps ret pally btw I was in at least full T9 and I at most did 3k dps. My guild helped my get to 6k dps. I don’t think I would of had this amazing social experience if it wasn’t for the LFD queue system. Sadly BOA items and LFR pushed the game into the ground.

[@archiei40x]

Playing Vanilla, TBC and WotLK in vanilla days, and replaying them in well scripted server again was all I needed. Think TBC was still my favorite of all. The Raids theme contrasts(Karazhan still one of my favorite of all time), the raw and horrible class balancing plus a slightly refined (whatever they could have squeezed out and did nothing more) was just there for you to struggle, rack your brain to make things work and pray to the RNG to be on your side whilst minimizing human errors. Trading tokens for gear because you had bad roll streak vs your guildmates didn't stump you for weeks. Best part, no loot council anymore, was A+. The zones were different sights to behold(I remember I wowed when I first entered Nagrand) and the quests were just more lively and fun with your friends. Arena was new and PvP was starting to be more fun because you make friends with people who pvp with you all the time in arena so the synergy make things more of a blast. If I were to choose any of them to play for a third time, it would have to be TBC.

[@wtfsalommy3250]

Tbc was a great new adventure

[@jkoz4]

This was a meaty video, perfect for my Saturday. Thanks! Love this kind of content.

[@2tonetony319]

This is a PHENOMENAL video. THANK YOU!!!

[@ionicgaming492]

Awesome vid man, brought back some good memories, I forgot about some of these guilds back in the day and grats to Echo!

[@preds43]

"It takes something special for a boss to survive day 14" The Jailer during every wipe: *BEATS TF OUTTA AZEROTH ALMOST EVERY TIME!*

[@georgisaksson7500]

Brilliant video as always :) ty very much

[@thecry4]

Was a little sad not to have my guild mentioned during the MC stuff since we had 1st Golemagg and Domo, but at least we got a shout out during the C'Thun talk. Afterlife is/was such a great guild to be apart of. Thott, the guild leader, was well known in the EQ days for his write ups on boss strategies and the like. As you might have guessed from his name... he was the creator of Thottbot and a fun side note, he also is responsible for the creation for DKP. Though DKP got twisted and butchered a ton as different guilds adopted it over time and made their own changes.

[@Typhoonis88]

This takes me back to my newby self spending WAAAY too much dkp trying to complete my 8 piece T1 priest set instead of focusing on the newly released BWL T2 I later learnt that the other priests in guild new i was a bit of a completionist and intentional drove up the bids on the T1 to empty my reserves. Its a good system when everyones on a level playing field in terms of knowledge and not actively trying to manipulate the system but not long after (when one of the priests decided to share with me screenshots of the collusion) I left that guild and went on to join a guild that used LC and to this day I believe its the best system when its done with transparency and good officers PPS my og toon still has that complete T1 in the bank could never bring myself to de it

[@connorpint2920]

Holy shit that is awesome sounds like it was something truly special to be apart of that's crazy he is the creator of thottbot must have been an incredible dude.

[@thecry4]

@@connorpint2920 He is insanely nice. I had a period where I was really depressed and he offered me the option to stay in his vacation home but I turned it down because I was in school, plus it would have been all the way on the other side of the country! With how much memes there is around "50 DKP MINUS" and stuff, I never experienced that with him. I don't think I've even heard him raise his voice more than once or twice. Just a genuinely nice person.

[@Senzei7]

Very good Video as always!

[@Christian_Bagger]

Something I loved about the old ones where the trial by fire, and you wounded up with guilds finding their own unique way with dealing with the problems. There weren’t any mods that would explain anything to you or hint, nor nothing. Purely organic community drivin’ .. my Raidleader would contact others, do analysis and make an hour long speech about each single boss. It’s the community that drives me in a massively multiplayer online role playing game.

[@jonpoling909]

Keep up the great work WillE!

[@JMUricketts]

awesome video! so much nostalgia following the top guilds back in the day

[@joshbrown384]

Such a fun watch, thank you for making a video how you wanted; us long-standing players/fans appreciate it.

[@bexa9011]

The intro was sick.

[@AcidTripOk]

This video clarely shows how the game has changed. I miss so much the days when a group of friends / good players could band together, have to figure out tactics by themselves and compete with other guilds for glory. Now it's all about practicing on the PTR, knowing all the mechanics beforehand, e-sports, big organizations, streaming... the whole shebang. Raiding has become less of a game and more of a spectacle, while losing most of it's magic and fun in the process.

[@Label07]

People expect you to know exactly how everything works prior to ever fighting a boss. Applies to most games. Scares off a lot of people that could turn out to be assets because of the toxic "this isn't a prog run" people.

[@22Epic]

You have changed not the game. You can't still play like you think you want to but you don't. It's on you mate.

[@Xcitng1988]

" Raiding has become less of a game and more of a spectacle, while losing most of it's magic and fun in the process." If you want that, there are guilds out there for you. You just don't want it.

[@AcidTripOk]

​@@Xcitng1988 Duh.. Of course you can choose to do whatever you want to do. I can pick a regular guild and raid like I always did. That's not the point of my comment. I'm talking about the race for world first, when guilds went blind into dungeons and had to figure out tactics by themselves and competed vs other guilds like themselves and not multi million dollar organizations with sponsors, streamers and shit. That's not the case anymore. Next time try to understand what I'm talking about before replying.

[@romycta]

You nailed !!! Best comment here (regarding the game and not the video)

[@cracklingice]

Spine was where 3 different guilds that I raided heroic DS with got stuck on. I ran blood dk, holy pally and was a fill for a friends guild on my destro lock. The first boss was so much fun as destro with that split and being able to chaos bolt both of them the entire fight. Came in undergeared yet keeping up with the heroic geared group because of this one neat trick. I also forced the zon'ozz heroic achievement on the group after someone accidentally added an unintended bounce. I knew I had every healing cooldown available, boss was deep into execute range and holy pally was so strong on that boss. I simply couldn't pass it up. Man I really enjoyed that tier. Not sure if it's because of the raid or just because it was the peak of my raiding career. I also farmed normal on a priest that I desperately wanted to try healing heroic on but my guild wouldn't let me. They wanted EZ mode as much as the group I regularly did normal with that refused to do any bosses at all on heroic difficulty.

[@Sith_Trooper]

Apreciate the hard work on this video.

[@paradoxicalinsanity7613]

This is good stuff. Ty for documenting

[@hizzousekakashi8836]

Good shit as always.

[@rikoshay83]

Another great video, as always! Thank you WiLLE for the content you deliver!

[@fogmod666]

Didn't even notice I watched a 44min video, Was just so well made 👌👌

[@The0riginalname]

Hope this video does well because I really enjoyed it and I'd want to see more long videos in the future!

[@bromandatheblur1086]

Thanks WillE!

[@Kevbo46]

Great video. Thank you.

[@nikolajmadsen5921]

sick sick video. WP WillE

[@JaydeeDJ]

Glad you went through with making this long history video of WoW, would love to see some more like these :)

[@Almostskilled]

The amount of chills, from seeing and hearing the intro for Wrath, Mop, WoD etc, love it!

[@thomash2311]

Dude locks like you put a lot of work and time in this Video. Great Job

[@StonehengeHurricane]

This will be the definitive video to watch for the history of WoW raiding for a long time to come.

[@slidewineder3953]

WILLE WITH THE 40 minute VIDEO WHAT A GOD

[@Babaganoosh69]

Excellent video, I'd watch more of these mega videos in the future!

[@0mn0mable]

Willie great vid! This makes you the official Lore-Master/Historian of WoW prog raiding. Congrats boy howdy i was durn tootin sick of hearing method's name by the end of BFA. Bye felicia!

[@The_Tentris]

I prefer the shorter vids but am liking because of how quality this was and to support the channel. Your vids your great!

[@Neckbeardacademy]

Great video. One of your best!!!!!!

[@MagusFlorren]

loved every second of this video WillE, thank you!

[@shaunybonny688]

It was a special video. Thank you.

[@BrettCahill]

Idk what it is about wow history but it's so satisfying. This was great!

[@DJalbzor]

really great video! gj !

[@josejuanandrade4439]

Great video!

[@corksterx1]

I love this video - thanks for the time and effort on this WillE!!

[@weirdodude1173]

Awesome video!!

[@TheVertamin]

My 7 hour bus trip went a lot faster thanks to this video!!

[@Fruxaq]

Better then 7 hours farming azerite

[@TommyBoyB]

Well done WillE! Thoroughly enjoyed this

[@grouperr]

What a great catch up video! 🙌

[@rozz1864]

A lot of effort clearly went into this and it was really entertaining. Thanks man great work!

[@gtawrecking7021]

great vid

[@Spellthief9]

Worth noting that BRF was so soon after Highmaul because they were supposed to be part of the same tier but staggered, and they delayed it more than originally intended to pad out the expansion due to all of the well known issues with WoD development.

[@andromidius]

So WoD almost had only two raid tiers - big ooof. BRF was the most recent raid I did before quitting retail raiding - it was fun, but the rest of the game sucked the joy out of the game. And guild drama didn't help - I had no reason to carry on.

[@teddy2glocks85]

An almost hour long video from Wille. My last hour at work is SOLVED

[@dietcokedude]

Good Video!

[@josephdickson8176]

wished there was more to this than "guild X killed boss Y after Z days with A pulls" cuz this could've just been a text list. Some more reflection/analysis especially in the second half would've been nice. though it was cool to see some of the super old TBC screenshots/drama/etc.

[@JoshSometimesJon]

Great video WillE, one of my favorites by you!

[@tobiasblack1749]

I enjoy this video it’s awesome, great work as always. I care about this but nobody I played with or trade chat ever talked about or cared about world first raiding. Maybe my old server Garosh was the reason or smaller other servers I played. Not until Cataclysm. That was when it was known about on a wider scale. People have tried arguing with me otherwise but the average player doesn’t care about world first races. Most players care about their own experiences and if something if fun. Something Blizzard slowly started to struggle with after Wrath (yes even Legion had dumb systems).

[@GrandAdmThrawn]

Willie, do not worry. 44 minutes is a moderate video length compared to The Salt Factory or Joseph Anderson's vids. So keep it up man ❤

[@erikwalton8376]

Reallly nice vid! Looking forward to the next one!

[@zyron93]

Incredible content as always, Will

[@CRANEREVIEWS]

Thank you for the hard work, it's 2 am, but I'm glad I got this pop up by accident, quit wow at the end of cataclysm, so reliving everything from vanilla and seeing what new stuff has been added since made the time fly, wish I could experience all of it, without the insane time investment requirements, but now I want to at least watch the raids walkthroughs, as some do indeed look very epic and interesting. Amazing video!

[@Number69]

@WillE Not sure if mentioned but paragon's lk hc had to be between 60 to 80 (i think) attempts. It was 20 per week and they got kill at 5% before it went to 10% (2 weeks at each 5% increment).

[@ccsrey14]

Amazing video. Thank you!

[@singularity371]

I'd watch a 10 hour video from you- the longer the better, so this was a real treat!

[@j_orpz]

Great video, it's pretty cool to see the history of WoW laid out like this!

[@TastyScotch]

Amazing video. I really enjoy your content, and this was this was no exception. Long or short your videos are always interesting and deserving of the watch and of that thumbs up. I didnt follow RWF back in the day, and i quit at the start of cata only coming back for classic. This was a great vid to recap the raids and their progress and difficulty at the time and put it all in persective for me. Thank you 👍

[@rubenboons9898]

Love your videos WillE thanks!

[@FilthyGreen]

You have the best videos WillE; I always look forward to your uploads. While I have stopped playing WoW, I still love the game and watching your stuff makes me happy. I look forward to more!

[@dananon259]

Have to stop after the lich king kill for obvious reasons. Nice video!

[@thomassleziak1222]

I loved cata and mop raiding more than every other expansions. I am sure that I am not the only one :D