UNKNOWN Facts For EVERY Vanilla Class | World of Warcraft

[@WillEmmo]

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[@Lillie-f8e]

Keep quest on class mounts feel unique

[@oyoystein]

The discarded melee priest is supposedly the reason why Vanilla has a high amount of (seemingly pointless) agility cloth gear items from quests.

[@lorenmixwell787]

whoa... that makes so much sense. Literally never investigated that but always wondered! cheers

[@Kultyras]

Not really, think about warriors using leather or druids using cloth, you just trade some armor for the stats you want

[@Omgbbqhaxlolol]

I've also learned that ag affects wand dmg so it is still usable in that regard, don't know if it's at all viable, but I do wonder if there's a warlock build out there that's all about applying dots and using your wand, stacking like SP + AG. I have no doubt it's not a great way to play, but I do wonder if there's a setup around that which would still meet minimum reqs for raid dps. Undoubtedly this falls off after you start getting dungeon gear, as it's mostly greens you'll find with that stat combo, but it has me curious as to what could have been. Warlocks already feel weird, it feels like you're supposed to summon a fire orb and melee while your dots are ticking, because they have some really strange effects, like your imp's fire shield, you get demon armor for extra hp5 armor and shadow resist, the fire orb which encourages the use of daggers which would benefit from that and an enchantment. There's so many odd abilities and talents for all the classes that makes you wonder what they could have been if they managed to flesh those out a bit more and make them work. A warlock chasing you with a demon in tow while he curses, stabs, and burns you sounds like it'd be pretty scary and cool haha.

[@jesperkovacs7013]

And dodge for warlock tanks.

[@ogolthorp]

Agility actually does improve wand damage. So it’s not worthless for priests.

[@NachozMan]

Infernals sucking is Warlocks biggest L IMO, I mean cmon I get to see an Undead Warlock with one in the first cinematics for the game and I can barely use him? Lame.

[@resonance01]

And Paladins had Crusader Strike, though IIRC it was more like Heroic Strike for Warriors. Kinda wish we got to keep that, we need one more button to press while levelling lol.

[@Hwarming]

There was Holy Strike and Crusader Strike, Crusader would've given a debuff increasing amount of Holy Damage taken, Holy Strike would've done Holy Damage, you'll see some NPCs that still have Crusader Strike sometimes

[@ugoboom]

the pserver turtle wow did this a few years ago, mostly 1.12 but they put in these 2 spells, despite kevin jordan revealing they never ever intended for these abilities to be alongside the vanilla seal system. This crusader strike ended being used like Hamstring spam on a warrior, serving to proc stuff. GCD locking paladin caused a lot of issues. Holy strike inherently has a double dipping problem as it benefited from both physical and spell modifiers, that caused it to be wildly unbalanced in weird conditions. Sure 1.12 paladin can be improved by anything really. But uncutting these 2 abilities as is, turns out is foolish. Turtle wow has now settled on Crusader strike being like TBC, and Holy strike turning into a cool unique weapon indepedent support+tanking strike. It's a far better system.

[@Notpoop906]

@@ugoboom From what I heard that is why they took it out (the GCD locking). They wanted DPS Paladins to be more of a hybrid / utility spec and giving them on use melee attacks meant people would just spam those and never want to throw out a heal or seal/judgement or whatever.

[@kohlerk30]

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[@vosthex_1875]

Gracias

[@keldor8302]

I thought for sure that you'd talk about shaman's having real tanking functionality in the alpha. And how it was removed just before launch. With a few aspects being missed by the devs. Such as Rockbiter Weapon and Earthshock generating extra threat. The reason why they scrapped it was due to not getting the coding to work to link totem aggro with the shaman. It was too late in development to revamp them. So, they stripped them instead and left uf with an awkward and broken spec.

[@Skrotes]

Why wouldn’t they just fix it in an update? Classic has such a shortage of tanks, especially on horde. Maybe they just thought people would be upset about such a big change?

[@Mygamingantics]

Yet even so shamans were able to tank in Classic. Some did it even in raids. Although yes, awkwardly, but it worked. @WillEmmo should definitely do a vid about that.

[@TheSaival]

I remember how much I cried when in early Pandaria they made shamans/warlock tanks viable again just to make them unviable in the last moment (by taking back the -6% chance to be crit)

[@sergeanttentacles1359]

They just decided the make paladin terrible after the alpha

[@Tzhz]

Because they didn't put enough time into Shaman, they had to dumb down the counterpart.

[@garretthunter2916]

I mean kind of, paladins are the objectively best healer to stack in raid for alliance tho. Paladin buffs and auras are obscenely good.

[@michaelbowman6684]

@@garretthunter2916 Paladins being "objectively the best healers" is entirely due to numbers, as shown by Illumination being nerfed in following expansions to give back less mana on crits. They otherwise had incredibly barebones healing capabilities, no AoE healing or HoTs unless you want to count Judgement of Light somehow, Blessing of Protection has a long 5 minute cooldown between uses and requires coordination becuase it stops the target from being able to attack for the short 6 second duration, they have two instant heals in the form of Holy Shock which needed to be talented into as a capstone ability on a 30 second cooldown, and Lay on Hands which drained all of your mana on a hour long cooldown. They mostly just spammed Flash of Light and Holy Light on the Tank and put 5/15 minute duration Blessings on people while using the Aura that is good for the situation, that was their entire purpose.

[@garretthunter2916]

@@michaelbowman6684 Yes, this is all correct. This doesn't change that they are the best healers for alliance, which was the point I made against the sentiment that they're terrible.

[@OatsMealz]

@@garretthunter2916 You clearly don't raid. Paladins are taken for their buffs and their most viable raid spec is healing. They are practically priests that heal 30% less while never ooming.

[@Aei934]

I could have sworn that Moonkin form didn’t ship with the game. I feel like it came out months later. At least that’s what my memory is. I remember a bunch of Druids respeccing to Balance and hanging out in Goldshire after the patch released.

[@kaneen03]

You are correct. There’s a few thing he said “imagine if it shipped like this” when it did ship that way.

[@jgw928]

Moonkin was patch 1.8, almost a year after release.

[@malloott]

There is tons of things I remember from the first months that I can hardly find in for from. I can swear there was an addon that walked you from point a to b via a Pre programmed path. It wasn't a bot. Can't find a single note on it tho.

[@luukthijssen4917]

Feral 30 point talent: 25% mana cost reduction on shape-shifting. Yeey...

[@taskgglol]

I think it means Felblade is a temporary weapon enchant for your character, it's not the imp attacking but rather buffing a friendly.

[@taskgglol]

A 3min fiery enchant

[@michaelbowman6684]

Makes sense considering Firestone also gave you Fire Damage on your weapon swings, "Melee Warlock" was probably something planned at least to some degree.

[@mariosoadfan]

@@michaelbowman6684 i heard that WL was intented to be melee...idk the source anymore

[@Dukenukem]

Vanilla shipped with BoK as final retribution talent in 2004.... the paladin would be a normal holy paladin, but with ret talents for this buff, with no greater blessings present you did not do any healing, you just spammed 40 targets with BoK on 5 minute duration... that takes 60s alone, than you rest your mana for a minute (because water is weak in vanilla) and than spend about 2 minutes running to catch the raid group.... and start buffing the dead people first and the rest later. With occasional ressurection, buffing in 2004 is a fulltime job.

[@thefinalskarm1754]

0:14 my warriors 5 point damage increase on hamstring, WOW INCREDIBLE

[@Nerobyrne]

hilarious thing to do is drop the Doomguard portal in the prep phase of a Battleground. People will just click any old portal, and you can't really see what it is unless you pay attention. Which WoW players are very famous for doing ^^

[@slendergollum]

People still call me crazy when I tell them I used bucklers in off-hand as a rogue. "Rogues can use only 2 weapons gtfo". Yes, can/could, see the difference? "rogues never could use anything else than 2 weapons" Sure....

[@rmpgdemon1871]

The thing about blocking, is with a top tier shield that would be pre raid, and the right talents you can still block a lot of damage. Upwards of 200 damage just doesnt exist per hit on my paladin

[@ryans1632]

I like how you add "maybe one day we'll see..." as if the game hadnt had the opportunity to add this stuff after 20 years.

[@tehjamerz]

I mained rogue in vanilla, doing warrior now on anniversary World of difference, yet it is clearly the same game Truly a whole new game

[@empire0]

I played in vanilla and came back last year, the game really is different. All the strats we used back then were total trash😂

[@HugeAckMan420]

6:52 they didn't have Moonkin form until 1.7 or 1.8

[@Ranadicus]

Yeah, I remember the oomkin form coming much later into vanilla

[@gentlemandog4985]

Got here, but not before the weird complementing bots

[@frederickkriesel2724]

You're pretty.

[@darkstar2205]

This video made me cream my pants

[@edmontonlivermoore4935]

Fr it’s so cringe when content creators hire this ai spew for better content metrics and algo help. Lame and cornball William

[@bohne8746]

You have an enormous dongle

[@RichardLangman]

Of course he hasn't hired them 🤣🤣🤣🤣​@@edmontonlivermoore4935

[@Laf-Adventures]

0:00 I bet I know them all I didn’t know mages had a pet. I didn’t know imps had a melee thing. I had the rest 😂

[@dbfblackbull]

Serpent totem is clearly taken from Warcraft 3 where the Witch Doctor hero had this exact ability. The Witch Doctor and the Shaman abilities were squished into the same class, so it is clearly from there. I assume it was changes into Searing Totem to make all totems look alike instead of having a unique model for it. I do think it is sad. That Serpent totem looks awesome, and the animation is quite cool. It would have definitely pulled some attention in PvP having that totem spit fire balls at your enemies!

[@jirimazanek5498]

Serpent totem is from Shadow Hunter - a hero. Btw lots of things were taken from W3, especially icons.

[@maapaa2010]

Kings at end of Ret tree with 5 minutes buffs till aq40 would have been brutal!

[@Sigismund]

It was rough in MC, let me tell you- but it got clueless me in the raid lol

[@Dark_Jaguar]

Blame Penny Arcade for that Doomguard ritual. It was their brilliant suggestion to make the ability a deep "roleplay" ability.

[@Scottyv12]

Cool! Been playing since vanilla and didn't know many of those. Mage's invisibility having a chance to fail is a neat idea, almost like engineering stuff backfiring, lol.

[@General12th]

Hi Will! Resurrection abilities were also made non-combat (I think in the very last patch of beta). Imagine how different the game would have been if every healing class could have rezzed in combat!

[@mcfarvo]

And I think this also made things like soulstone, ahnk, and druid battle res more impactful

[@Cashinn_Outt1754]

With the massive mana cost - I don’t think they would have been QUITE that effective unless your at the very end of a fight and rezzing one person seals the fight

[@RW77777777]

you could stand far back and rez people who died in MC; because doing it wouldn't have the rezzer join combat the raid would just shuffle 30 yards to the right and the boss would be far enough away the person sitting 60 yards away could reach the fallen

[@johnny6187]

Do you mean resurrection abilities were able to be used in combat?

[@Mufireael]

lovely video man cheers!

[@Jive33]

You could’ve added some things about races like Tauren having plains running, for example. Regardless, great video as usual!

[@wowRichtoad]

I remember reading through the manual that came with the box and it mentioned that Taurens couldn't use mounts and instead used plains running. I then looked at a Tauren riding a kodo and trusted nothing in that book afterwards lol.

[@zizthesin]

Phantasm is probably based on dungeons and dragons "phantasmal killer" spell. An iconic wizard spell, also notably inspiring WoW in many regards.

[@MCJAproductions]

I Love "uknown" facts

[@purepeter4737]

I love cheese

[@killval849]

@@purepeter4737 the cheese one can find fumunda?

[@Tuskor130]

i only knew about the mage lockpick spell, not everyone who plays classic has been here since 2004

[@MagusFlorren]

Lol! 😂

[@brandondavidson4085]

Good job guys, we successfully bullied WillE into changing the title

[@golfnutjeff5752]

The biggest thing that killed Warcraft was the “shortcut”. Taking the thousands of hours that we vanilla players took to learn our toons and then just giving it away in a few hours to new players was the beginning of the exodus. Sort of like graduating high school and demanding equal pay to the guy that has worked forty years at the same job. It’s just dumb the skill levels are NOT the same. Easier does not mean better.

[@LasseRafnDk]

Also it makes it insanely overwhelming to newbies. You’re thrown in, level to max in a couple days and suddenly you have 100 abilities that you never had time to learn because leveling went by so fast.

[@nordfald3740]

hate to say it mate, but if it takes you thousands of hours to learn to use 4 buttons, you'd be in over your heard in even regular quest content nowadays. Knowledge of the game meant a lot back in vanilla, but mechanical skill was next to non-existant. Mage was reduced to spamming literally 1 button for the entirety of the first 2 tiers. Destro lock was not much different. Boomie was troll, Shadow priest was troll, Ele shaman was troll... And saying easier does not mean better? you mean to say that modern wow is easier? cause if that's your take, you're just delusional.

[@golfnutjeff5752]

@ it’s cute that you think that. Bless your heart.

[@nordfald3740]

@@golfnutjeff5752 i mean, i'm objectively correct and you're objectively wrong. Anybody who thinks vanilla is more difficult to play than retail is kidding themselves, simple as. It's not even an opinion.

[@Kayem237]

There was also a point where the prot capstone allowed you to regenerate health in combat.

[@Zenn3k]

Its funny to me how many of the old stuff for early builds was directly tied to EverQuest, WoW's father is ever there was one. Invis exists in EQ and worked the same way, randomly could drop. Even either summon food and water is directly from EQ's Magician.

[@CosmicDuskWolf]

Class quest and getting the class gear, a new spell or new ability in original WoW felt good. Mage is what I started with in WoW.

[@andreasjensen8277]

You could also increase damage on your wand in the talen tree, 2 points for mages (arcane) and 3 points for priests (can't remember the name, but not shadow and not holy ... or was it holy but not healing).

[@torralight4642]

so alot of the stuff here was in the original shipped version of wow and was changed during vanilla when blizzard did talent work word passes. ret really had consecrate and kings as a bottem talent. survival did in fact have a shitty bleed at the bottem of the tree.

[@DominicKennedy-j5g]

I’d rather have that shitty bleed than the even shittier sting you can’t use in combat with a 2 minute CD and that is a sleep effect which is interruptible and cleansable.

[@erejnion]

A few weeks ago I had just gotten Mind Control on my priest, and we went with a friend to duo run Blackfathom Deeps. Mind controlling one of the cultist mobs and buffing my friend made him feel ultra overpowered, was a great time.

[@enders1972]

Priest inner fire used to add attack power. And there was no auto attack to wands. We had to press them every time we wanted to shoot.

[@derrickwn18]

Paladins casting seals on party members sounds like a fun playstyle

[@oscarmichel9932]

The way they used almost all of this ideas on the next expansions is insane

[@DavidBrocekArt]

Bro has made hundreds of videos with basically the same topic, yet he manages to make them interesting every time. How do you do that Willie?

[@JS-sl8sn]

Imp Flameblade says target weapon, not the imp's weapon. This may have stacked with the existing Firestone for a melee pyromancer build.

[@wjking5219]

Nice video. Thanks!!

[@luniers4629]

Oh How I miss Hurricane on druid. There celestial theme never felt druid to me.

[@Mindgames91]

lmao at mage's having lockpicking. "OG Hero Class"

[@candlestyx8517]

Phantasm would of been a great addition to the shadow priests talent tree

[@Drjebus]

Warlock Death Coil used to have a 20 minute cooldown and did not have a Terror effect.

[@hansolowe19]

A few of those talents shipped with the game. Repentance and BoK for example, but the priest and druid too. The stuff you showed.

[@puppethound]

The whole game was relatively broken when it shipped. Paladins could proc their seals without a weapon. Remember "Rec-bomber" Paladins? Where Reckoning would proc an extra swing if you were crit, it could stack infinitely and last forever, so Paladin would duel a Rogue, stack Reckoning crits and the proceed to one shot world bosses. That made it to live. They eventually "fixed it" where it could stack like 20 times, then eventually to 5. For Pvp It was hilarious to watch hunters get destroyed because their pets non stop crits, producing extra swings, Plus SEAL OF COMMANDS extra swing. 😂 Hunters and their "dead zone", warlocks were the worst class by a country mile. Enhancement Shamans were completely op and broken and never changed. Warriors had one counter class and that was mages. Oh and I played a BM/Surv Hunter was pretty good with, so much so that when Bestial Wrath was added, it made him broken, due it lasting between 12-18 seconds of cc immunity.

[@robertsides3626]

Rogues were initially planned to wear mail at 40.

[@stealthshopper2092]

13 minutes?! I can't solo farm ZF to this!

[@kekeke6224]

Looking at early wow versions, one can really see its roots coming from DnD classes

[@KrisBruus]

I remember serpent totem for shamans being in the released version.

[@fridaynightpizza7158]

0:20 gah lee! them things are swingin is that vanilla? 😭😭😭

[@luniers4629]

I would actually love sleep as priest again.

[@janwitt5220]

A bit confused why you are talking about alpha here. I played the regular wow when it was in retail stores in germany and I had to specc innervate / hurricane. Also the german manual still shipped with taurens having "Planeswalk", bascially no mount but just faster running.

[@PrimordialNightmare]

instead of having a spell put fire damage on your weapon, warlocks got the firestone which would put fire damage on your weapon, lol

[@DJSLANKMAN]

make more alpha classic videos plz

[@503spyderdad]

I am sure RL and videos takes a bit of time, but I miss your Twitch streams.

[@tommieveazey7224]

Shout out who remembers whisper cast for pally blessing? 😂

[@the_hanged_clown]

I still wish we'd have ended up with a real Necromancer spec, whether through Warlock or Priest, idfc. but actual necromancers are everywhere in the story, it seems absurd that it should be so wholly locked away from player use.

[@bertvsrob]

Little known fact: up to 99% of horde players are pantywaists irl

[@TheBlackDeck]

2:14 seconds of ad before anything else. gross..

[@canbeast]

in earliy vanilla you did NOT have a problem finding a retribution paladin to bring to your raid lol

[@Perr0u]

Finally I play vanilla in 2005 andvI was sure hurracane was the end of the druid talent

[@MavByte]

You're kinda throwing Alpha and Post-Launch informations together. Like with the lightning storm of the shaman, that was during a State when there were no talent trees and the druid didnt had the Hurricane ability at all.

[@ThisIsntWhatYouExpected]

Why were they glazing mages so hard 😂

[@mats0o350]

Bring Sleep back for Priests!

[@DrPluton]

I agree. In D&D, it was a mage/wizard spell, but it really does fit the priest theme and would be more reliable than mind control and psychic scream.

[@joezar33]

Watching that part about Priest in the video was interesting, they pretty much were going to be a "Scarlet Monk"

[@TheBunnyb0y]

Just play one, all the wanding will make you fall asleep ez!

[@mojotmn]

I don't understand why did they remove molten blast? Is it for a shaman to cast nothing while being nature locked ?

[@DominicKennedy-j5g]

8:17 It was actually pretty good and way more fleshed out than paladin and shaman melee gameplay. I’m tired of people thinking the only hunter fantasy is an archer and conflating archery with being a ranger and not the historical infantry unit. Maybe stop hiding behind a pet and interact with the entire class and you’ll find there’s more fun to be had instead of an excuse to watch something on another screen…

[@Vanessa_exe]

i kinda hate "rogues once had bucklers" as a unkown fact because its so wildly known a this point- especiallly post SoD where it got circulated more in regards to rogue evasion tanking and all that trivia-- i actually think rogue evasion tanking is a more interesting piece of trivia than the buckler tidbit

[@alecnelson3000]

I played from 2004 to Cataclysm end game. I never knew this and I'm glad he included it.

[@prochuba]

How exactly is it "wildly known"? I've been playing for 17 years and heard about it just recently. None of my friends ever heard about it. Maybe you knew that for a long time. Big difference. You're not the center of the world, sorry to burst your bubble.

[@christurner4873]

Balance Druid had hurricane as their 30 pt talent for quite a while into the game. I literally didn’t know there were other specs on my first character and was balance because that was the tab that auto opened. I was on an rp server, so as soon as I hit 40 I ran into goldshire and cast hurricane. People’s minds were blown, I think I might’ve been one of the only balance Druids on the server, so it was the first time most people had ever seen it.

[@luniers4629]

They should have kept paladin as the hero class.

[@Blackread]

Scarshield Warlocks soloable? They are in LBRS in packs of 4 elites lol.

[@justsomeguy4422]

if blizzard ever did a REAL classic+. combat rogue should get buckler specialization. thus becoming the REAL rogue tank. SoD rogue tank is fun, but its more retail rogue than it is classic rogue. in fact all classic+ needs is just everything vanilla didnt get. even the good and the bad. all the supposed potential content, missing items, quests etc. everything that couldve been potential at that time just in classic that just didnt make, just be given a new opprotunity. cause why not we already got 5 different version of wow, why not 1 more experimental one. even go further by introducing the High Elves even with the rogue character model or something to im tons of classic old heads have been wanting to make a character with the high elf models we see around the world for a long time.

[@otrikas]

We definitely have to wait 1-2 years after SoD ends to get anything like Classic+ again.

[@Ranadicus]

BuffAhoy FTW! IYKYK

[@Vath121]

Leveling a Paladin in vanilla classic was some of the most boring gaming I’ve done in a long time. Seal, judge, auto attack. Why in the world did they think playing a class that is 90% simple auto attacking would be fun. I last 13 levels and moved on.

[@luniers4629]

Never really understood why druids got innervate,, should have been a mage spell instead of food or something.

[@virgileusa]

Evocation ?

[@luniers4629]

I want survival hunter dual-wield again blizzard!!

[@Deathinacann]

Wish they kept the melee priest and hunter... survival for hunter sucks in vanilla as it is, at least if they kept the melee stuff then you could meme better

[@yamochanchan]

Ah yes the 40-people raid buffadin. They did nothing but buffing until AQ. Honestly... why else would you bring Paladin anyways. 😅

[@catchr7bluedevil]

I love these videos. Please continue!

[@dennisd4452]

Any time stamps? No, I'm gone.

[@GeoDeathDeathGeo]

I think a lot of issues the talent trees had probably could of been fixed if they had just taken the active abilities out and made them apart of the classes then just make the tree a passive tree instead of a combination of actives and passives. Especially when spells like consecration or sweeping strikes are in it and those abilities themselves already improve aoe threat generation for tanks and don't really change but improve the classes overall play style.

[@otrikas]

Even more snoring boring passives that change some percentages? Active abilities where THE banger to skill.

[@GeoDeathDeathGeo]

@@otrikas Most abilities are good but not important enough to build into their talent trees, players are mostly looking at the passive talents to improve their play style and build. But the abilities that are important hinder builds bv not being optional and instead will divert talent points into a tree that you may not have wanted to put points into but are forced to because the active in there is a requirement for your class to function well.

[@kerrytking]

Is this video removed features? Or unknown facts?

[@PhillerDiller]

"Unknown facts" more like "alpha design progression" almost everything here is just "this is how it was in alpha"

[@taarruz89]

Someone tell me warrior part again pls with basic english 😅😅

[@Moneymaker864]

Cool video!

[@inmysoul7]

Keep milking babe!!!!!!!!

[@wigdocter]

The game is 20 years old. There are no unknown anything...

[@Smaxedd]

I just watch your videos for you voice

[@Rayukamay-sama]

Comments bug?

[@gunzorzz]

These things allrdy got hundreds of vids of them and are Not unknown

[@R3ar3ntry]

finally more content! YES!!! LETS GO!!!

[@FurchtbaresGaming]

I remember shamans were able to use 2 handed axes back in vanilla. At least for a time.

[@rogreu]

Oh boy I'm early

[@EmiLo1337]

Hi

[@magictankz8181]

The charge in combat for warriors wouldf been so fun to play

[@braindamage7128]

Good video

[@ImMrShows]

More Clickbait regurgitated slop from WillE.

[@plurrr1752]

Hiii

[@Hamel1n]

[@MTBCRINGE]

how do you milk the same shit over and over for years