Classic WoW: Mage Leveling Guide (Talents, AOE Grinding, Wand Progression, Tips & Tricks)

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Kargoz

Kargoz

Күн бұрын

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@cardboardempire
@cardboardempire 2 жыл бұрын
Man classic vanilla (2019) was an amazing experience. So many good memories. Almost as good as O-G Vanilla. Now it's 2022 and I'm using this guide for Darrowshire.
@rasgrul8778
@rasgrul8778 Жыл бұрын
Still 2022 and im using this guide for everlook
@honestfan420
@honestfan420 Жыл бұрын
2023 and I’m using these guides on Classic Era!
@cain5483
@cain5483 4 ай бұрын
Hello 2024 I will using the guide wow classic)
@wesleyd2752
@wesleyd2752 Ай бұрын
Using this guide for Turtle WoW
@viktorlarsson7080
@viktorlarsson7080 5 жыл бұрын
Crazy how much time you put down on these, appreciate it dude
@THEARMYSAINT2
@THEARMYSAINT2 5 жыл бұрын
Game: 3 lvls ahead of you = 16% to miss When actually casting 3 lvls ahead: 99% miss 🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️
@misanthropy6690
@misanthropy6690 5 жыл бұрын
*99% resist. That's the base hit chance. That's not accounting for resistances. Vanilla mob resistances were retarded. It's part of the reason grinding at certain spots is totally pointless for certain specs, like frost when you're in silverpine. Things also tend to have much higher frost resistance than fire resistance for whatever reason.
@Ithrial420
@Ithrial420 5 жыл бұрын
@@misanthropy6690 that's why I went fire to AOE lvl
@swishsplash
@swishsplash 5 жыл бұрын
@@Ithrial420 then you better farm gold with portals and food because fire spec is useless for many raid bosses in molten core and blackwing lair
@Ithrial420
@Ithrial420 5 жыл бұрын
@@swishsplash you misunderstood what I meant I went fire from level 1 to 22 then I swaped the frost so that I could AOE
@swishsplash
@swishsplash 5 жыл бұрын
@@Ithrial420 No i didnt misunderstand. My point was that respecing in vanilla costs alot
@SlvlZero
@SlvlZero 5 жыл бұрын
Anyone else watch these even though they have no interest in playing mage? lol These videos and just filled with such knowledge. TY KARGOZ!
@krymzon28
@krymzon28 5 жыл бұрын
Lol for this one no, because since I’ve started playing mage i can’t go back. But I watched his guide for hunter and warlock even tho I know I won’t be playing either. The videos were just that good.
@Livingvapour
@Livingvapour 5 жыл бұрын
Now we know where to go to gank all the mages before they get to powerful :P
@RodMyGod
@RodMyGod 5 жыл бұрын
Once you go mage, you never go back
@raishini9896
@raishini9896 5 жыл бұрын
everyone knows that hunter will be an overused class
@kev1734
@kev1734 5 жыл бұрын
yeah I'm watching all the classic and vanilla vids. At the end of Kargoz guides I'm like...aw yeah I may play that class...Still can't decide >_< @Rashini nah man rouges
@gognub
@gognub 5 жыл бұрын
Really appreciate the effort that goes into these longer form videos you make. Your love for this fantastic game is evident.
@abeurakadabeura
@abeurakadabeura 5 жыл бұрын
Just started a mage, I have been playing wow since its release but there are a lot of informations I had never heard about and your presentation is really clean and you aren't wasting time on over-explaining things. I usually never say that but this is by far the best information video about WoW I have seen on KZbin.
@TribuneMusicChannel
@TribuneMusicChannel 5 жыл бұрын
nice, i'm getting hyped so much watching all your high-quality content. can't wait. damn
@bryananderson3772
@bryananderson3772 4 жыл бұрын
The wait is over!
@alexlandy8073
@alexlandy8073 3 жыл бұрын
Just started the game for the first time 2 days ago. Playing as a mage, and your video is a lot of help. Thanks for the video
@TheSadsax
@TheSadsax 3 жыл бұрын
You will not have a problem with money, just raid gear competition
@Ellthom
@Ellthom 5 жыл бұрын
Mage is what I leveled in vanilla and still play to this day, and I am super aware I made many mistakes in vanilla about how I played, which is why I am thankful for this in depth guide. Just to compare and understand :D
@exorcie
@exorcie 5 жыл бұрын
The eternal struggle between shaving off seconds and pulling the needle...
@connorbarnes3661
@connorbarnes3661 5 жыл бұрын
Also im glad Tmugs and North were so hyped to be a part of this : )
@bodazaphfa
@bodazaphfa 4 жыл бұрын
14-year WoW vet here and I must say, phenomenal guide my friend. Well done! Subbed for life.
@quieteyes881
@quieteyes881 4 жыл бұрын
Been going through and watching all of your leveling guides. I'm an alt-oholic and cant stick with one character. These have been a great help in easing the some of the pains of leveling multiple alts.
@rystanley4624
@rystanley4624 5 жыл бұрын
These videos are a great watch! Thanks for taking the time to break down the info which I think is very appropriate for the up coming classic wow! - Looking forward to the shaman!
@kargozgaming
@kargozgaming 5 жыл бұрын
thanks man i appreciate your continued support
@Adam-zb5kk
@Adam-zb5kk 5 жыл бұрын
Minor piece of feedback: I'd love to see the tooltip as you're speaking about each talent. The windowed mode with backdrop cuts everything off
@Agrippa91
@Agrippa91 5 жыл бұрын
HANDS DOWN The best leveling guides Ive ever seen on KZbin. Looking forward to see more guides from you. Perhaps some pvp tactics, farming guides, BG guides (which rolls certain classes have etc)
@MisterAzizo
@MisterAzizo 5 жыл бұрын
severely underrated content and overall creator, deserves a lot more praise and respect !!! you single-handedly convinced me to roll mage in classic!
@biddyscrilla7587
@biddyscrilla7587 5 жыл бұрын
The quality of these vids are insane keep it up man! Cant wait til you finish the series!
@freshairkaboom8171
@freshairkaboom8171 5 жыл бұрын
Holy crap, I literally only heard about vanilla servers this week, rolled a mage, and here you are. :D
@yxada1998
@yxada1998 5 жыл бұрын
Thumbs up man. Having a great time watching these.
@mu551988
@mu551988 5 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this FOR AGES YOU SIR ARE A LEGEND!
@Sebdes23
@Sebdes23 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks bro! I’m a bit of a warrior addict from vanilla, but mage was always my second favorite. I’ll probably be maiming mage in classic.
@NanomachineExE
@NanomachineExE 5 жыл бұрын
I've been so excited and waiting for this.
@Zoocsgo
@Zoocsgo 5 жыл бұрын
You're a babe!! I searched for this video a couple of hours ago and couldn't find a mage guide on your channel. Then you upload one , You're truly a master of the arcane. Thanks!!
@LionMartell
@LionMartell 5 жыл бұрын
I’m really enjoying your content for the last few weeks before the classic demo. Thanks brotha!
@kargozgaming
@kargozgaming 5 жыл бұрын
thank u bro it means a lot knowing some ppl can enjoy this type of content
@demobay8561
@demobay8561 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome video man, loving your guides. Just my two cents on some aoe grinding, frost/ice armour is pretty helpful before you have a mount, when your running through packs, face pulling to gather a group it means that each mob will hit you only once and it doesn't split the pack up too much if each mob gets the chill effect. Enchant boots with run speed is also amazing to have before 40. Oh and there's a nifty spot for horde in ashenvale for levels 24-26 ish, theres a furblog cave north east of zoram strand. It has a couple quest objectives related to it however there is an upper level with 2 large groups of lvl 23-24 mobs that has virtually no traffic. I say it's good for horde as there will be a lot of horde doing the quests keeping you safe from ally ganking while they don't have any reason to mess with your packs. Have yet to see it on any aoe grind area guide so maybe it only works on northdale. Curious if anyone else has utilized it as I did for a solid 6 levels in what felt like no time
@styxzero1675
@styxzero1675 5 жыл бұрын
These guides are so professional. Love it. Really can tell you put alot of effort in and it is paying of judging from viewers and subs. Good job my dude keep it up! I have bookmarked all your guides for the upcoming classic server lmao.
@vadopa9855
@vadopa9855 5 жыл бұрын
honestly im not even a mage player but i still watched the whole thing bcs its such a great art piece. well done kargoz pls dont stop making content
@Anebriate
@Anebriate 5 жыл бұрын
Really helpful guide, having a lot of fun trying it out. I'd probably remove the Syndicate humans from the AoE grinding spots, though. There are like 10 of them total, they're on a long respawn timer, and they apply crippling poison, which makes it hard to pull them without getting slowed.
@james90902
@james90902 4 жыл бұрын
For anyone attempting to use the macro's in classic WoW, you won't be able to call SpellStopCasting() as it's now marked as protected. Instead, just replace the /script SpellStopCasting() line with /stopcasting, which works
@Xylos144
@Xylos144 5 жыл бұрын
Finally! Be waiting a while for this one, thanks.
@Sanoskesagara
@Sanoskesagara 5 жыл бұрын
EASILY my favorite class guide you've put out! There's some seriously killer details in here, and it provides a lot of insight. The vanilla mage is clearly a great example of blizzard's borrowed idea of "easy to learn, difficult to master".
@CondemnedInformer
@CondemnedInformer 5 жыл бұрын
For all those asking for Paladin. Here you go: Heal.
@danbill9165
@danbill9165 5 жыл бұрын
These videos are amazing - honestly thank you for the tile you’re putting in. Buzzing for classic. Used to play Mage and had him at. Lvl 39 twink. Want to play it to 60. Keep up the top work.
@danbill9165
@danbill9165 5 жыл бұрын
The detail is rare on vanilla and highly commendable. What you playing in vanilla?
@cheezet100fyi
@cheezet100fyi 4 жыл бұрын
Never ever played a caster(mained warrior vanilla to WoD) after a hard struggle I think you helped me pick my main and thats being a mage. Thank you :D
@topshelfbullys7889
@topshelfbullys7889 4 жыл бұрын
370z lemus so you chose the most broken class in the game. Congrats for your hard decision. Not lol
@kevinm6392
@kevinm6392 4 жыл бұрын
Killa Beatz I can taste the salt from here. Let me guess, warrior that has to tank to make gold? Lol
@Eaglebrace
@Eaglebrace 5 жыл бұрын
This will be my full time guide in use wen classic comes out. Thank you for sharing!
@ExPaNxIoN97
@ExPaNxIoN97 4 жыл бұрын
Watching this before classic launches later today! thanks for the great info
@kbg-
@kbg- 4 жыл бұрын
Same, Undead Frost Mage here we go.
@bengalblake11
@bengalblake11 4 жыл бұрын
same! human mage named "DocStrange"
@iAidanugget
@iAidanugget 4 жыл бұрын
I must recreate my Gnome Frost Mage! "Fumblemore"
@Asylummm
@Asylummm 5 жыл бұрын
YES! Thanks kargoz :) Currently leveling my mage on Elysium, before I get my hands on classic wow on blizzcon. Great job. I suggest you make guides on topics like: Proffesion leveling and moneymaking Best leveling spots(AOE for example) Level 60 rare mobs that drop cool items for upgrade Raid/pvp class guides
@lukashanna8349
@lukashanna8349 4 жыл бұрын
nice vid am starting to lvl now first time classic ever
@hollystringer7639
@hollystringer7639 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this.. I was in original Wow and no idea what I was doing as to talent trees . Gave up on mage. This time in Classic understand need to quest on my level with a friend. Live longer lol. The charts and explanations are outstanding. Need this for classes ...the best places to be for level.
@krymzon28
@krymzon28 5 жыл бұрын
Sweet. Been waiting for this. Rolled paladin and warrior back in the day. Switched to mage during wrath. Going to roll mage when blizzard releases wow classic. You’re videos are awesome.
@FGazi-qf1hp
@FGazi-qf1hp 5 жыл бұрын
Will be playing a mage. Tyvm for this guide. Maybe I will for once try AOE leveling. Since I always specced everything in ST damage.
@I3uzzzzzz
@I3uzzzzzz 4 жыл бұрын
fuck you
@joshuaroe1402
@joshuaroe1402 4 жыл бұрын
EradicationX | Today their is nothing more hilariously pathetic than a basement dwelling internet tough guy like you it must suck having to wake up everyday and knowing that you are pathetic and will always be pathetic
@andreasahman5596
@andreasahman5596 5 жыл бұрын
Love these vids, rolling a mage asap when Classic comes
@BrettyPOV
@BrettyPOV 5 жыл бұрын
This is exactly what ive been waiting for. Thank you, and great detail.
@morthgarrow641
@morthgarrow641 5 жыл бұрын
Same, this is pretty much all the information I was looking for and then some. Super appreciated for all the depth!
@InfraWoW
@InfraWoW 5 жыл бұрын
I'm very happy to contribute to your guide man! :D
@kargozgaming
@kargozgaming 5 жыл бұрын
^ this guy is a legend
@InfraWoW
@InfraWoW 5 жыл бұрын
^ this guy is also a legend
@kronniichiwa9909
@kronniichiwa9909 5 жыл бұрын
Gnome power ! +5% intellect baby
@TheIrishdude85
@TheIrishdude85 5 жыл бұрын
Oh hell yeah I've been waiting for this video going to watch it later and I'll drop another comment when I do
@myr0017
@myr0017 5 жыл бұрын
Dude gz on the work ethic, you're putting out a lot of good stuff
@TemujinKojiro
@TemujinKojiro 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Kargoz! Love your videos, I think videos on pre raid bis would be awesome for your channel, keep up the awesome work. :)
@BSeitenGaming
@BSeitenGaming Жыл бұрын
Best Guide on KZbin. Thank you and marry Christmas from Germany
@bobi97bg
@bobi97bg 5 жыл бұрын
Keep in mind that Lesser Magic Wand (as all other crafted wands) received a buff in a later vanilla patch and therefor are weaker on earlier patches (For example: lightshope server is on 1.5 and Lesser Magic Wand is a ~6dps wand)
@dorharp
@dorharp 5 жыл бұрын
Hi man do you know already what are you gonna play in classic? Will there be a closing video after all the classes, when you reveal your class choice? :D
@nickathanas1898
@nickathanas1898 5 жыл бұрын
Love the content my friend,looking forward to the next update(hoping for druid) :-)
@landonolson2068
@landonolson2068 5 жыл бұрын
These guides pack so much information. Nicely done
@vwlssnvwls3262
@vwlssnvwls3262 5 жыл бұрын
Dammit!! I will never be able to decide what class to play if I keep watching these!! :P Thanks for another great video. :)
@solmyr42
@solmyr42 5 жыл бұрын
So awesome that you are cranking these out dude! As an experienced mage, there's a lot of good stuff in there as well as new inspiration. Really looking forward to the updated druid video as well x-D
@DefcampMelderonTV
@DefcampMelderonTV 5 жыл бұрын
I learned a lot here. Great guide, as usual, Kargoz
@onima1753
@onima1753 5 жыл бұрын
I just want you to know that I appreciate all your effort for these guides. I can't wait for your rogue guide :)
@Nick-jb4xi
@Nick-jb4xi 5 жыл бұрын
Eh, I think he can skip that one. ;)
@logosofgame4273
@logosofgame4273 4 жыл бұрын
First day of Classic and the biggest cause of death for my Mage has been Dehydration!
@pedropierre9594
@pedropierre9594 4 жыл бұрын
Wand it up lol
@Pigdestroyer666
@Pigdestroyer666 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for some great content, personally waiting for the Priest video since I will be levelling a Priest in WoW Classic :)
@betterinsodapop
@betterinsodapop 4 жыл бұрын
Rolled up a mage a few weeks ago. Was having an awful time. Super squishy, getting killed left and right, constant downtime... Finally hit 20, re-specced to Frost. Soloing 3 mobs at a time, teleporting around to whatever capital I choose, getting TONS of green drops, vendor trash, and AH fodder. Just having a blast. Those first 20 levels do indeed SUCK and are slow-going, but when you hit 20, being a mage kinda rules. I used a LOT of the info here m specifically the talent trees and wand progression, and it's like night and day. Thanks for posting this!
@teilwall8175
@teilwall8175 4 жыл бұрын
Incredibly well crafted guide Kargoz' amazing stuff. I'd hire you for any job in a snap
@nathanielflorence553
@nathanielflorence553 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for putting in this work man.
@Daniel-en9jo
@Daniel-en9jo 5 жыл бұрын
u are doing such an amazing job.. thank you so much for this guides it rly helps :)
@Hejsandk
@Hejsandk 5 жыл бұрын
well done ! You are leagues and miles ahead of every other guide. Going that extra mile really paid off. gj! i Still think you could learn something from your "general leveling guide". That was one epic video
@TAC0FACE
@TAC0FACE 4 жыл бұрын
7:10 I downloaded EnergyWatch Reborn for classic, it shows my mana but not an "Energy bar" yellow bar like in the picture here... can someone elaborate on how to drink while moving?
@cryp_pando
@cryp_pando 5 жыл бұрын
One of the best video guids,I love you!
@misterfrench894
@misterfrench894 4 жыл бұрын
Great guide, love your videos! Thanks for the hard work
@madisonperez6864
@madisonperez6864 2 жыл бұрын
I'm just getting in to wow and brand new to gaming in general and the loads of jargon is a bit of a hindrance to absolute beginners but I think this is good and concise and will be useful after some more time playing. I've actually naturally fallen in to some of these patterns so I'm confident that he knows what he's talking about, I can tell he's done his research and whatnot👍 we appreciate the effort and grind!
@birch3453
@birch3453 5 жыл бұрын
Great seeing these videos being pumped out! Excellent quality, keep it going man!
@kargozgaming
@kargozgaming 5 жыл бұрын
birch thank u bro..i appreciate ur kind words of support..if i can ever be of assistance lmk :)
@MrKutamoz
@MrKutamoz 4 жыл бұрын
Great guide. I keep returning to it while im grinding
@PumpernickelBread25
@PumpernickelBread25 4 жыл бұрын
Been playing a mage forever and found this review useful
@Fqke1992
@Fqke1992 4 жыл бұрын
Hey mate, thx for the amazing guide. Do you have a link for the Range Finder Addon ? I can't find it :/ Thx mate !
@MeldisMGO
@MeldisMGO 5 жыл бұрын
what, a really great guide video, keep it up man!
@ClausRow
@ClausRow 5 жыл бұрын
Sweet vid mate. I'll def be using this :D
@EDUoMINEIROloco
@EDUoMINEIROloco 5 жыл бұрын
great work man, keep it up. maybe we can see a shaman guide?
@renaudjuliani2707
@renaudjuliani2707 5 жыл бұрын
Hey, i was wondering what was wrong with my mage (grinding spec) and with your work i can finally improve my leveling with better spec and spot to grind thank a lot for your massive work !!
@leilaniftw
@leilaniftw 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great vid and concise presentation 💯
@KennethKnightBlustripe
@KennethKnightBlustripe 5 жыл бұрын
Liked! Subbed! Hit the bell! Love the content ! Could you make a top 10 things you personally love about vanilla? Like for me the arena in stranglethorn and every 3 hours you can fight over a chest! I would wake up at 3 am and try and steal it on my 19 rogue, best times of my wow experience!
@Matthew_mcmahon20
@Matthew_mcmahon20 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks dude bookmarking this!
@theelectricgamer5472
@theelectricgamer5472 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks from the RU community!\Спасибо от РУ комьюнити!))
@gund2281
@gund2281 5 жыл бұрын
The more I watch these, the more I realize why I was never very good at this game lol. I mean I was always the "serviceable" guy, but never top dps or anything. And I leveled SLOW. The thought and detail that these guys have done is mind-boggling. I'm glad videos like this exist this time around. Really excited for Classic and to try some of these strategies out.
@sw2gify
@sw2gify 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this man! Really quality content! :)
@bellphorion
@bellphorion 5 жыл бұрын
I fall asleep listening to this 3 times now. Its very soothing. You have a peacefull voice. I love playing and AoE mage. I made a new champ on the new nighthaven realm.
@Lacokaferdl
@Lacokaferdl 5 жыл бұрын
Finaly a good guide btw which keybinds for mage are relevant? Hmm
@BubblewrapHighway
@BubblewrapHighway 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing class for an amazing class. Cheers Kargoz!
@sagansagan5395
@sagansagan5395 Жыл бұрын
As a newbie in WoW (not just classic but WoW itself) i cant appreciate this video enough. I will definitely be back to it numerous times. I guess i will go with the first talent configuration you show, since it seems the easiest and straightforward. Later on i may consider going for the AoE grind configuration. Idk if i will keep playing mage, so i think Im going to watch pretty much all your lvl guides xD (so hard for me to decide what class to play ngl). Anyways thanks, you've a new sub here 👌
@OSRSnChill
@OSRSnChill Жыл бұрын
You aren’t alone dude, I’m a Oldschool RuneScape player but I’ve watched so much KZbin recommended WoW content that I finally gave Classic a go. Idk what class to choose but I’ve seen so many videos that said Mage was good but I’m gonna check out other classes too. Good luck out there!
@BaaadJuju
@BaaadJuju 5 жыл бұрын
Hook me up with that priest guide!
@nightsage217
@nightsage217 3 жыл бұрын
omg.. i dont know there is so much nuances and builds for lvling. Mind blown.
@a1no1x
@a1no1x 3 жыл бұрын
Definitely the best guides man. Honestly too in depth for me, but the beauty of being too in depth is that it catches the noobs like me! I learned a lot in general about classic from your guides.
@nestamartin210
@nestamartin210 5 жыл бұрын
Great guide, so fruitful. You made me a subscriber
@BestElectronicMaker
@BestElectronicMaker 4 жыл бұрын
Hey, have you got links for the addons you mentioned in the video ? I havent seen them in the presentation, I may have missed them and also never really played WoW before so would be really glad for them as the Spawn Timer Tracker and Range Finder sound very nice.
@patreon4203
@patreon4203 5 жыл бұрын
been waiting bro ty ur a legend
@collision1988
@collision1988 4 жыл бұрын
where do you even get the rangefinder addon? couldnt find one for wow classic
@jeffl7387
@jeffl7387 3 жыл бұрын
Wow I remember when this first came out, now its got almost 1.3mil views! Congrats!
@wael.F
@wael.F 5 жыл бұрын
Yes was waiting for this
@timsummers7526
@timsummers7526 5 жыл бұрын
First off, I just want to thank you for this guide. It's been a long time since I played on a Vanilla server or played Retail Classic, so a refresher is welcome. But, as for your guide, if I may make one suggestion. At one point (14:05 - 17:25) you had all three trees open, but when you focused on some of the skills the tooltips were cut off and we were unable to read them. Maybe focus on one at a time initially so that the tooltips are not cut off? This would help some people who may not have played classic and never saw these before! Thanks!!
@hyperionZZ
@hyperionZZ 4 жыл бұрын
Great Vid lots of helpfull info and deff helped improve my aoe grinding thanks alot man
@imnotyourhat
@imnotyourhat 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video it's very helpful. I am having a problem finding the mods you're talking about even though it looks like you have some specific ones in mind. Links in the description would solve this.
@dandrews.89
@dandrews.89 5 жыл бұрын
Great video but there's a couple of corrections I'd like to see on your horde section. I tried the 31-35 Torn Fin murloc spot but I found way too many casters, I don't think it should be a suggested location. Which leads me to my next point; Dabyrie Farmstead is fantastic. You can do like 31-38 here easily. It's also not involved in any quests so you get very little through-traffic. Also, your list says Dabyrie Farmstead is in Hillsbrad but it is in fact in Arathi Highlands.
@hexo9258
@hexo9258 4 жыл бұрын
I had some trouble finding a range tracker addon, could anyone suggest one?
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