William Cecil: David Starkey Lectures

[@jhb1493]

Wow - Calling out third wave feminism and other garbage from a historical perspective. Dr. Starkey being "cancelled" has done him some good. He's free to call things as he sees them, and that is absolutely essential for a historian - AND for an honest man. Good for you, sir!

[@sunnyjim1355]

How do you know he's an honest man? Oh, because he confirmed your cognitive bias, of course, silly me.

[@charlesjmouse]

​@@sunnyjim1355 Might I suggest you re-read the above comment more carefully, and maybe without the 'aid' of your own biases..? The OP does not state that Dr. Starkey is an honest man, JH B merely points out features "absolutely essential for a historian - AND for an honest man" noted in the words of Dr. Starkey's lecture. Any presumption as tho what JH B's "cognitive bias" may be is just that, presumption. One may choose to presume Dr. Starkey is an "honest man" simply because there is no evidence for his "dishonesty" in this lecture. What might your seeming presumption that others are by default "dishonest", and your willingness to publicly pass judgement on scant evidence incorrectly interpreted say about about you? ...a quick google: 1“Do not judge, or you will be judged. 2For with the same judgment you pronounce, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3Why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but fail to notice the beam in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ while there is still a beam in your own eye? 5You hypocrite! First take the beam out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. 6Do not give dogs what is holy; do not throw your pearls before swine. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces. Wise words, I would suggest.

[@withonelook1985]

@@charlesjmouse Well that wasn't at all pretentious or long winded. "What might your seeming presumption that others are by default "dishonest", and your willingness to publicly pass judgement on scant evidence incorrectly interpreted say about about you?" Is possibly the best Sir Humphrey line Ive ever read...

[@odinsraven116]

@@charlesjmouse Bravo 👏🏻

[@Morsificator]

@@withonelook1985 Long live Sir Humphrey!

[@TylerDeneuve]

Fun bit of trivia: His descendants now own the Biltmore Estate in Asheville, North Carolina - the largest private home in America.

[@HawkqOjOp]

This fascinates me! While I loved David's stories behind the stories, the why's and the big pictures, I was more hunting Cecil's family details as a Cecil was my immigrant's attorney and later married his client's wife after his client passed - so I'm related to a Cecil. These were not 'regular' folk but huge gentry landholders and members of early colonial government! According to "The Cecil Family of Maryland" (which I've downloaded), there's no proof (as of the time that book was written) that these Cecil's are related to Lord Burghley, but it also leaves about 8 doors open that they are!!! I want to make this connection to fill in a mystery in my 7 year long project of my gentry English family genealogy (done from America). 2024 Update: Not only do they now believe that our family Cecil attorney in Colonial Maryland IS a distant ancestor of William Cecil (aka Lord Burghley) who was also a family attorney of my Selby ancestors, found out our tree also crosses over into Lady Jane Grey's noble family on our maternal side. So not only was our Selby family arch rivals of they Greys, we WERE the Greys!! There are Cecil attorneys in London today also!

[@herzkine]

...sounds right , as Starkey said he was an extremist protestant bigot and zealot, must make you rich and successful in murica.

[@robertkelleyroth409]

Actually it's his sister's descendants.

[@jackie4286]

It would be good to see the objects David Starkey is talking about. Some visuals would help.

[@johnhaynes9910]

Excellent, I don't always agree with Starkey but he is always interesting and well worth listening to unlike so many others who lack his intellectual capacity and grasp of their subject.

[@Eris123451]

I think that's both glib and arrogant.

[@Eris123451]

The Tudors and The English Reformation are a complex and still endlessly fascinating topic and one to which Starkey brings much clarity and erudition. I particularly enjoyed the manner in which he stitches as it were, the end of the medieval period and it's culture and traditions almost seamlessly into the Tudor Reformation.

[@carolabohm2439]

Huzza for David Starkey! His aside about welby gladdened my heart. Best Christmas present I could have. Many thanks.

[@mb3503-o4e]

I do not know what these leading church figures stand for any more

[@carolabohm2439]

@@mb3503-o4e I doubt if they know themselves!

[@mb3503-o4e]

@@carolabohm2439 I roared with laughter when Dr. Starkey made that aside. Such wonderful humor.

[@carolabohm2439]

@@mb3503-o4e yes indeed!

[@odinsraven116]

@@mb3503-o4e They stand for the negativity and weakness that has put the Christian church in the sad place it finds itself today.

[@louise-yo7kz]

Sir William Cecil, Lord Burghley is so fascinating. Appears to be loyal, ruthless and competent

[@karenharding566]

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[@gm2407]

A rare combination.

[@English_Dawn]

Absolute jewel as usual. Love the comprehensive information. Possibly a talk on Lady Margaret Beaufort in the future?

[@marinaknife4595]

Some perfectly delivered brain food - thank you David Starkey - your talks always feel, to me, so luxuriant! Hope your Christmas was peaceful & happy and All Best Wishes for the New Year!

[@bonusgolden12]

I always want to thank you for making your talks available. What a privilege to hear this brilliant presentation.

[@sjfiet]

I greatly enjoyed your series about the history of England many years ago, so watched with interest this particular talk. Though I live in America, I know how intertwined the history of my country is with yours and am ever grateful that it is so. We would not be who we are without the cultural and political foundation that England provided. One can look around the world and see the benefits, however flawed, that former colonies of Great Britain have reaped. Of all the countries in the New World, those founded, occupied or taken by England have prospered and those of Spain and Portugal have not. The contrast is quite stark. I was not very interested in history as a child in school, but as I have grown older and experienced so much more of life, I now realize it may be the most important subject to study and know aside from language and mathematical skills. Someone once said that a wise man learns from the mistakes of others, a good man learns from his own and the fool learns from none. Knowing and understanding history, unrevised, true history can allow us to be wise and avoid the pitfalls of those before. it is no wonder it is on the frontline of attack from the regressive Progressives and it threatens to make fools of succeeding generations. Thank you for being brave enough to do what you can to share the truth and add a little wisdom to the world.

[@DCND06]

I simply adore David Starkey. Enough said. .

[@garethwigglesworth8187]

Binge watching all of your works Mr Starkey dear boy

[@evelynzak8454]

As always superb! Really expands my knowledge and interest! Thank you!

[@elyjane8316]

It is good to listen to an educated man, who knows his subject and is not afraid to draw the parrallels. Pity more people speak out like Dr Starkey.

[@mickymantle3233]

WoW ! It really is Christmas. Thank you David ! I live near the old house of Theobalds (or what remains of it). Would love to hear you lecture on the reign of King James 1st.

[@robintaylorbrown]

With the other one that was your fault I didn’t understand why I am not sure what you are saying to you lol 😆 I just

[@jopope7610]

Such a treat, thank you.

[@rogerblakely7453]

Podcast idea: Message to the residents of the Five Eyes (UK, US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand). With people all over the world clicking on these videos, Americans, Canadians, Australians, and New Zealanders might think that a discussion about Henry VIII is irrelevant entertainment. However, a discussion about Henry VIII is no less a discussion of American history than it is a discussion of British history.

[@elvenkind6072]

I deeply admired David Starkey before he became cancelled, and it seems like because of it, he will now become a household name for even more people, and I highly recommend documentaries like the 8 part series of "Monarchy", the 3 part series of the "Churchills", and his - I presume - specialized knowledge where he share for the layman, as myself, both Henry the 8th, Mary I and Elizbeth I.

[@perperson199]

Agreed. My favourite series of his is on "Music and Monarchy"

[@elvenkind6072]

@@perperson199 Thanks for the tips! I haven't watched that one! :)

[@cherrytraveller5915]

Please forgive my ignorance here but why was he cancelled. I live in New Zealand so I seem to have missed the memo on that one.

[@elvenkind6072]

@@cherrytraveller5915 I think it was because he said "too many damned blacks" in a sarcastic/humorous tone, and then everyone assumed he was KKK, Neo-Nazi, pro-Hitler racist, or similar. His university kicked him out and his publisher literally cancelled him from publishing more works. I think there were also an uproar over in Britain among celebs about it, but don't know much, other then It's a damn shame, because he's the finest medievalist (I think that's the learned phrase for it) in England and I never get tired of listen to him teaching about history. Also he's not a racist.

[@blchamblisscscp8476]

A few years ago I listened to Robert Bucholtz's presentation on The History of England: Tudors Through the Stuarts via The Great Courses. Now, its wonderful to have Mr. Starkey discuss the backdrop of some of the major non-royal figures during that period from Henry VII through Anne.

[@no_namematrix8630]

History tea time!!! 🍵🍵🍵

[@RichMitch]

Totally agree about the reformation being the first brexit

[@marcokite]

the 'reformation' (actually a deformation) was an attack on the Body of Christ (albeit 'yes' things in the Church needed reforming) by heretics. i normally agree with Dr David S but the comparison is an absurdity.

[@RichMitch]

@@marcokite this is why I'm not religious

[@steveosullivan5262]

It amazes me how much history comes from Edward III. John of Gaunt would be one I wish I could go back into history to meet. The Black Prince deserved a kinder fate. John of Gaunt was his younger brother. John married int the Beaufort family. I would be keen to know why the Beauforts were disallowed from being on the throne? What a movie the Beauforts would make.

[@elainebutterworth8051]

The Beauforts were descended from Katheryn Swinford - a royal mistress - therefore bastards.

[@steveosullivan5262]

@@elainebutterworth8051 Thank you, it was a question that I could not find an answer to. I truly do love the story of Margret Beaufort. Now that was a woman of destiny and history.

[@alililley5697]

Gaunt, not Gault. His three wives and his life are very interesting.

[@steveosullivan5262]

@@alililley5697 wish I had an edit button Thank you

[@stevewatson6839]

@@steveosullivan5262 Hover your mouse to the right of your comment, three dots should appear. Click over them and you should see edit and delete functions.

[@bradwalton3977]

Unfortunate that this presentation, that had so many visual allusions, was not video-taped.

[@calendarpage]

I had to find images of the tomb. It truly is magnificent.

[@danielplantagenet8385]

David is a complete legend. This content is so important. 🙏👑⚔️🛡

[@charlesjmouse]

Very good, thank you. ...and dare I say, in the course of an excellent presentation being an exemplar of a good historian. Not only in remembering history, but learning from it, and then applying that learning to where we find ourselves in the hear-and-now.

[@bri5490]

Fantastic podcast! You have illuminated the character profile of Sir William Cecil, who (for me) was an obscure historical figure until now. Please, I would like to see a podcast on Edward the Confessor.

[@mearussell5829]

Riveting lecture - but where are the visuals - disappointing not to actually see him speak....

[@RichMitch]

Shame can't actually see the tomb

[@ivanvoronov3871]

Interesting as always

[@suzannetevlin8439]

Another terrific talk. Thank you.

[@RevRMBWest]

I think that Dr Starchey's comment that English only emerges as a literary language recently, in the 14th-15th centuries, with Chaucer (and presumably Wycliffe) needs some refinement: it was already a great literary language in the Old English period with Bede, Aelfred the Great, the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle and quite a few other literary pieces.

[@Guy-Lewis]

I think his point was that the Conquest ensured that Eald Engisc was no longer a literary language by Chaucer's time. It contributed everyday terms to Middle English, but the influx of French, Latin, and Greek ensured that the languages differed considerably.

[@RevRMBWest]

@@Guy-Lewis Yes but - over 70% of Modern English at the street level is Germanic (56% Old English and about 14% Old Norse). And if you listen to Modern English compared to, say Old English or Modern Dutch, the melody is the same; which is a very important part of language. But I take your point: we have a great deal of baggage from Latin, and French and some of it has even gone down to the soufflet base.

[@Guy-Lewis]

@@RevRMBWest True enough, but Middle English is fairly easy to comprehend, whereas Eald Englisc is not easily accessible. I agree, though that we have inherited much day-to-day vocabulary from Germanic ancestor-languages.

[@brucevilla]

Thanks for Uploading.

[@Vintagevanessa99]

what a wonderful speaker

[@radicalrodriguez5912]

This man is exceptional

[@robertfalcon6648]

I want to see him talking to the camera

[@thekajalflaneur]

Fascinating about Shakespeare and the fusion of English and new infusion with Latin and Greek. A time for genius, both creative and political it seemed.

[@nickjung7394]

Really interesting, well worth listening to!

[@rogerblakely7453]

Audio sans video is just fine. I'm never looking at the screen anyway.

[@eugeniasyro5774]

William Cecil was a genuis. Loyal to Elizabeth and England. Yes, he was her servant, but Elizabeth loved him.

[@marksutton5540]

Thank you for giving me too much to think about. I will (l must) listen again and again.

[@elyjane8316]

For me the other two are: Disraeli and Winston Churchill.

[@cargumdeu]

the 'inner circle' of parliament by which we are governed is, of course, the Cabinet Office, as anyone cognizant of British political affairs, will be aware.

[@anthonyfmoss]

I’d be interested to hear what David means when he calls England having an inductive society and France having a deductive one. Anyone?

[@anthonyfmoss]

@king offa Thanks. An excellent answer! I get it now.

[@smythharris2635]

There is another conflict here. Empiricism versus Rationalism. That is to say testing ideas in nature as opposed to relying on a priori reasoning. There is a joke in which the French President has an eminently sensible and provable practical plan. The head of the civil service challenges him, "that's all very well, sir. But will it work in theory?"

[@annak29]

As an historian, this man has a most poetic, expressive, and story-telling style. A calm but intense bed of red coals throbbing in his heart of passion for country and its infinite layers of people, values, and meaning.

[@gerryjamesedwards1227]

If my name was Wallop, I would most definitely rejoice in it.

[@TonyAlexander2024]

These would be great as a podcast for automatic download purposes and for the listening to when I’m out.

[@clintgreggory2549]

Hello sir. I am also a "slept" (opposite of woke) young homosexual man . I am vehemently opposed to "cancel culture" and am very happy to watch you on this ( perhaps new to you ) platform . I am interested in , and eould like to have your insight into the private lives of : Robert Dudley, E of L. The four Mary's who were with the queen of scots , and what are your thoughts on her. Was she stupid, I'll advised or a bit crazy. Her actions seem so daft.

[@mikemetcalfe1903]

David goes a very good history of British Democracy.

[@Msheatherwhatever]

Love anything Starkey and I second wholeheartedly for Lady Margaret Beaufort

[@mb3503-o4e]

Wonderful

[@borderbioscope1180]

excellent

[@k4949]

This was interesting but I would have liked to have heard more personal specifics about Cecil and his life and his role in Elizabeth's court.

[@OLD2NEWCREW]

this is so important to me and my C of E family

[@hughiepearce]

I think, that while the talk is very interesting about the background of English politics in the middle ages, we (my partner and myself) came here to find out more about Cecil, and there wasn't enough about him in particular...maybe going off on various tangents about other people/subjects is the flaw

[@phildurling7185]

Walsingham is one of 3 greatest Englishmen in my book. The other two being William Marshall and King George VI.

[@GeorgeJewitt]

Listening to this again, I can't help but think that Henry VIII repudiating the "selfish" monarchy of his father, which Starkey says to be the correct approach, is just a shifting of self-interested strategy to fit the new paradigm. Henry VII would not have been able to lay the ground for consolidating the power of the tudor monarchy without his financial control of the nobility, nor would Henry VIII have been able to curry favour with the nobility in his own reign by relaxing it without have a status quo to overturn. Both were necessary and neither seems more correct in an absolute sense, but only in the context of the times.

[@janeaustenist]

Where’s the video?

[@bobbynicole10]

your talks are cool 👍

[@frazer3191]

Forgive my ignorance. In the Tv series The Crown, ERII in dressing down the Marquis of Salisbury, says to him “history teaches never trust a Cecil” - is the gentleman who was in Churchill’s cabinet during this period the direct descendant of Sir William Cecil - ERI’s chief advisor for most of her reign? And one of the best ‘prime minister’ this island ever had ? Not to mention spy master extraordinaire. If so it was his son that organised the ending of the hereditary system in the lords as a conservative peer.? He who Went over the head of Tory leader at the time William Hague dealt direct with Blair and was fired from the shadow cabinet. He to was a Cecil from the same family and direct line ? If So this family have been active at the highest echelon of rule of the state since Henry VIII’s daughter was in charge. 5 centuries. That’s insane.

[@kerravon2237]

hello again avon here david i hope you had a merry xmas and a happy new 2022 what a good upload of the great elizabeths william cecil i love the tudors i read so many books i am right now reading a good book called sacrilege about the best giordano bruno who wrked for the great spy master francis walsingham yours again avon leicestershire 2022

[@abbesieyesauralian7816]

1:01:59 does Starkey think that Shakespeares romans are Englishmen in togas?

[@ellencook1658]

Well, yes. Shakespeare was an Englishman after all.

[@Justshill]

My 11th great grand uncle. Wish I was as smart as he was

[@davidevans3227]

where to, is he? is there video to go with this?

[@susanstein6604]

The Magna Carta and the whole constitutional structure was patriarchal.

[@cherry-vz5kx]

The Norman/French nobility more like.

[@jmccallion2394]

Dr David Starkey gives you a master class in Tudor history and you come away with a double first everytime!

[@wstevenson4913]

He always reminds me of a posh Kenneth Williams

[@kerravon2237]

may be david your next upload could be sir philip sidney who was a great tudor poet and was giordano brunos great and who was the spy masters son in law david great upload as allways hope to hear from you soon yours avon leicestershire 2022

[@Happyheretic2308]

Still wrong about Richard III, and don't get me started on the ghastly More's hatchet-job "history". "Mafia" is about right.

[@MelEveritt]

I just googled the tomb. Easy 😊

[@SeanRCope]

Walter Cope was his usher I wish I knew more. But alas being adopted once grown I’ve become of no use to the Cope family. Blue bloods on the rocks through and through.

[@lukegriffin2467]

My 15th great grandfather

[@carmenfoster6912]

Hey what happened to the video?

[@barrylarking8986]

Dazzling!

[@patriciamcclelland7466]

David Starkey is a brilliant historian. I don't understand his anger at feminism and woke culture. Some things I think he does not need to dignify with a response.

[@RobinLynnGriffith]

YAY!

[@alexstrongforge]

41:50 :)

[@gvbrandolini]

Interessante.

[@thomasboyd1433]

Martin sellner Austrian what is he politically Habsburg Austrian. He Austrian Habsburg Monarchy that Austrian government Thomas did rule Europe yes. Why did England ban him Mrs May did that as Conservative party British Prime minister he threat to Conservative party in England yes. He put them in trouble Thomas. Scotland saved us politically that you and Art.

[@pglanville]

Was good until his anti-woke / BLM comments. How can a man of his intellect be MAGA 🗑?

[@margaretgaskin4928]

How disappointing. I clicked on this hoping to hear about Cecil. All I hear about here is Starkey. For a supposed "historian" to say the English Reformation was "absolutely identical" to Brexit is to see how low he has fallen. The past is misrepresented to pontificate about the present, not treated on its own terms. Very sad.

[@lemartin3827]

Come on Margaret, he does also say quite lot about William Cecil

[@smythharris2635]

Roman Empire Roman Church Holy Roman Empire Christendom EU. The late Shirley Williams even commented on it in respect of the fact that the EU would draw the UK back into the fold. She was using "Catholic social policy" as the fulcrum of her argument. Rubbish of course as most Christian socialism sprang from the non conformists. A case could even be made for the Diggers and The Levellers.

[@Lucyettalucy]

Margaret, it clearly went over your head…

[@WorldCitizen0000]

Too much rambling, gave up at 25 minutes!

[@vthompson947]

He mentions femmes couvertes in one breath and denies the existence of the patriarchy in the next 😅😅😅😅

[@BiffaTW]

Starkey just blathers on and draws airy and ephemeral conclusions. Can be nice to listen to, but he's not really saying much of substance.

[@martygahan]

Brilliant as my wife is a feminist.

[@JamesWalters007]

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[@marcokite]

Cecil had a great mind but pity he was a heretic.

[@nulix8237]

'Every member of the Richard III Society is certifiable'? Dislike!

[@carrie4696]

What a pity Dr Starkey has such repugnant views about everyone except his own kind.