Willing Participants in the Culture War | Sacred Symbols+ Episode 182

[@TrAckStAr21231]

I feel like people who want to get rid of gendered sports have never played or watched sports.

[@nickking9568]

They are very few real women if any that would be good enough to play in the NBA.there is a huge gap in talent between men and women.non gender sports make zero sense.it is not fair for real women to have to play against men and I have no problem with transpeople

[@calebbonny8848]

@@nickking9568 there are no women who would be good enough to play small college basketball even. I myself was a small college player, and we had a WNBA player from the town I played in and during the summer age would come workout with our college at times. Every time she was in the gym with us, she was the worst player. Yet she was a solid WNBA player

[@nickking9568]

@@calebbonny8848 I believe it but I didn't want to say no women because they're may be one at some point.i don't think jaffe knows anything about sports

[@CurtisDillon92]

Yeah, Jaffe's comments about men and women fighting was super uneducated and a dangerous road to go down. Men and women the same weight class does not mean they should be fighting, there's still a massive disparity in muscle mass etc

[@BrandonHeat243]

@@calebbonny8848 Yup. The WNBA and the NBA are actually perfect comparisons. The GOAT WNBA player would be the worst player in the NBA and a mediocre NBA player would be the GOAT in the WNBA. And someone that is actually exceptional like LeBron? He'd probably score 100 points a game every game in the WNBA. I think the reason why the T issue is so controversial is that so much of the talk around it is outright gaslighting. There's the sports issue and then there's stuff like "Men can get pregnant", "There's no danger in letting T women into women's locker rooms", "Giving young teens puberty blockers is no big deal", etc. And all of that is basically people trying to ignore reality to win arguments.

[@keithfarrell1321]

Unfortunately Jaffa is not informed on the trans athlete debate. We currently do not have the science, or at least it has not been tested, for us to combine genders and separate by other variables. For example, the testing that has been done, shows that trans athlete hold a distinct physical advantage over female athletes. This does not mean trans athletes should be banned from sports, of course not. But by letting them compete against females, it is literally undoing the benefits and fairness gained from separating male and females in sports. DO NOT TAKE MY WORD FOR IT. Please look at Ross Tucker’s research. He is one of the most studied professors on this topic

[@VariantAEC]

It is self evident that trans women have an overwhelming advantage in sports. I agree that there is no science that calculates the changes that time on T gives men over women and unfortunately for trans men they cannot reap the same advantages biological males get from a lifetime of internally manufactured testosterone secretions. The sum of those changes is immense from the phenotypic appearance to the morphological distinctions to even the way men sound is all driven primarily by that one hormone and even more importantly the individuals genetics. Biological women on male levels of T can end tragically with heart wall thickening or enlargement (which is not good for anyone), can seemingly damage other organs and causes changes to the brains of transmen (and likely transwomen too) that are not well understood. There are all kinds of things that Jaffe doesn't appear to know. Makes me wonder about what the doctors told him and his son?

[@elandys84]

Loved the convo, but David Jaffe is WAAAAAAAAAAY off when it comes to sports. A high level 100 pound man would beat a high level 100 pound woman in every single sport (physical) in existence. This isn't even debatable.

[@courtneywilliams6376]

I would agree with that with very few exceptions - perhaps certain gymnastics events/dance figure skating etc. However what he said about boxing made absolutely no sense - if you put the same weight boxers from mens and womens divisions the sport would become sanctioned murder. I boxed for 5 years and not once had a hard round of sparring when paired with a female we were training with.

[@LimJorino]

He seems like he's gone way further left on some of these issues since last year.

[@liammcnulty1987]

He's such a nice guy, but soooo far left, to the point of being against biological facts. But he seems like a chill dude, even though he's demonstrably wrong.

[@joshua0209]

But then there’s the one where he wouldn’t and imagine what a great match that would be. This always happens with soccer. The ones getting the millions of dollars always win and are in the finals. But every now and then the local team gets a shot at the final.

[@Alex_Logan22]

Then make it in a way that makes it fair, that was his only point, that you can make it fair.

[@rarodrig6]

I respect Jaffe immensely. But I think he underestimates how extreme the trans activists are. I've seen them say they don't want sports categories to change, "trans women are women" to them so they don't think there is anything wrong with treading into female sports. But Colin is right, the trans movement is unique in that their issues affect non trans ppl.

[@mercurymachines4311]

I also respect Jaffe a lot but he's very wrong and biased when it comes to Trans issues. I know a few Trans people that happen to be more right leaning/conservative and they would very much disagree with Jaffe on many of his points. There is no single "trans community", it really annoys me how much he used that term.

[@Cackman]

He's also wrong about the Florida bill. It's not a ban on transpeople or trans discussion. It's a bill that prevents the discussion of sex of any kind to young children. If you want to claim that disproportionaly or unfairly affect trans people, then you're making some pretty major insinuations of the trans community.

[@mercurymachines4311]

@@Cackman indeed. He's wrong about a lot but that's mostly down to him being stuck in his Leftists bubble.

[@vintageoriginallegit]

@@mercurymachines4311 just because you know a few trans people doesn’t mean you speak for all trans people. It just opens the gates for bad men who use it for personal gain rather than expression whether it be to gain medals in sports and money or to lurk on females.

[@somedude1324]

@@mercurymachines4311 Catalan Jenner lays it out perfectly. And she would know better then anyone.

[@MisterK-YT]

Great show as always. But I do mildly wish Colin would’ve pushed back a bit more on the trans athletes thing. Specifically Jaffe’s claim (which he‘s always made about social issues such as these) that most people “don’t actually have a problem with fairness, they’re just transphobes” in disguise. THAT rhetoric is _one of the things_ that I feel really divides us as a society. It’s those ultra-dismissive, reductive, and [perhaps unintentionally] misleading comments that completely misrepresent and thus alienate an entire side of this debate. He says it about people who don’t like the Disney “gay-quota” (“they’re just phobic”), he’s said it about the majority of Trump supporters (“they’re overwhelmingly white Christian racists”), the people who support the Florida bill (“they’re _mostly_ Christian Karens who think gayness is a sickness”) etc etc. What about the GIANT swath of people (like me, and I think like Colin) who have NO issues with gay people, NO issue with people transitioning to wtvr they want, NO religious affiliation, NO feelings of racial superiority, NO desire to stifle or alienate anyone based on race, etc etc.... but that have an issue with the trans athletes? Or think giving a young, developing child hormones is probably ill-advised. Or that don’t want their kids (just between kindergarten - 3rd grade) in public school to be spoken to about sexual identity.

[@quaternio]

Why does Colin need to “push back” though? Colin said what he thought of it, and David spoke his disagreement. We need to aspire to be able to listen to people with whom we disagree. I get and am in the same position that people accuse me of being bad when I don’t think I am. It’s frustrating. But everyone on all sides would benefit from thicker skin, and a willingness to listen. That’s the solution.

[@Hotsauceonmy]

Why shouldn't a kid know about their sexual identity at a young age? Your sexuality is inherently tied to your identity. I get not wanting to talk about sex acts but that isn't what sex education is about

[@mikebarnes7441]

@@Hotsauceonmy it literally is that..

[@somedude1324]

Jaffee is waaaaaay off on trans in sports. He is saying get rid of womens sports. That’s exactly what would happen. And Colin was VERY soft on Jaffee’s take on sports.

[@d8l835]

Jaffe specifically said as long as its fair its ok with him. What your confusing was his comment about no one giving a fuck about womens sport, which hes not wrong about. It has an audience, but not a noteworthy one

[@ShonuffDaMasta]

I love this. This is how adults talk. These guys can always disagree with each other in the most respectful manner. Not only that but they’re learning from each other’s insight. No hate, all love. Wish these guys did a regular podcast together.

[@indo2383]

I like it. I’m not very similar with Colin but his willingness to have conversations make me a fan even if some things he says to me are wild

[@D71219ONE]

I would encourage any human that think they disagree with the Florida Parental Rights in Education Bill to actually read it to understand what it’s even about. Most of it is in regards to transparency of curriculum and medical care. It restricts classroom curriculum and group discussion on sex and gender identity for kindergarten to 3rd grade. It does not even restrict natural conversations about life that may include any kind of family dynamics. Even the Florida legislators said that it would not restrict normal conversation at all, and it would only restrict curriculum and classroom discussion, so a teacher can’t say “Let’s all talk about our gender identity.” or “Let’s all talk about sex.” If you’re still against that type of legislation for 5 and 8 year old children, then I don’t really know what to say. While I didn’t usually enjoy his games, I appreciate some of what Jaffe did for the industry; however, he tends to mischaracterize anyone that is even slightly to the right, and he lands on many inconsistent positions.

[@epicgeezr]

I completely agree he obviously didn't read the bill

[@echos9396]

My favorite episodes are when Colin invites David Jaffe for an interview on sacred symbols, gives me Joe Rogan/Alex Jones vibe without all the conspiracy theories lol

[@dtanobo]

Joe Rogan/Alex Jones but without the stupidity

[@cthulhu888]

The frogs are getting their own remake/remaster 🐸😆

[@elidasilva5558]

@@teddyholiday8038 I would hahaha

[@TheosG7]

Right just two great minds...

[@henrycepeda1844]

David jaffe talking about how he's happy where he's at spoke a lot to me I want to thank you for those words and thanks to you Colin for getting this man together and speaking your opinions recently I've just gotten to work in the air conditioning field and I've moved from a large company to a smaller one I'm not making the amount of money I was before but I'm not suffering and slaving screwing people over like I was before I'm much happier now and so I really do understand where David jaffe is coming from and it gives me insight into how to continue going forward in my life nothing beats happiness

[@HerbieChuckNorris]

While I thing Jaffe's right that some with only the intention to hate will jump on conversations like the trans athlete one to onboard their intolerance I think he overgeneralises that type of person to the broader conversation and his briefly mentioned arguments in regards to breaking down he categorisations in sports are quite shallow. Just because colloquially people down give af about women's sports doesn't mean that institutionally it should be taken apart. The suggestion that sports should take up the boxing model is a snake that eats it's own tale because to find equivalent opponents that share the same lean muscle mass, bone structures, height (etc, etc) the most discerning factor as to find that equivalence would could around to being sex again. Basically for two people to be the same height and have the same generic muscle structure's etc they'd 9/10 be the same sex - therefore you'd basically get to a point where you've re-invented the sex category anyway but without women having a protected class, so it's the the gain of an *idea* of inclusion, with all the loss of the dissolution of women's categories. That's not to mention that this set up would basically just end up being male dominated anyway - it's literally a non-solution that sounds good on paper but is either cyclical in reasoning (recreates Sex categories), or causes more issues (No protected class for Cis-Women). All that goes without mentioning the fact that a lot of sport technically operate in open categorisation, but because of the higher competitive advantage that men, they end up dominating the roster of teams/play-offs (see: Tennis). This would be a natural spot were trans-athletes can compete, that's right under our noses but isn't really discussed. And finally Jaffe bringing up E-Sports as an example of gender openness in sports without the OBVIOUS caveat that E-Sports isn't a physical sport - the argument for that being disanalogous writes itself. I'll allow myself this long internet comment paragraph, lol, because I actually love Moriarty and Jaffe together, I think these two are a great example of conversations needed more within the industry and also a really good balance between progressive and conservative ideas where the middle ground seems to be opening up the more this continues. This is why I support Last Stand, good chats and I hope and look forward to/for more to come:)

[@kjer2540]

Well said, good sir/mam. Well said.

[@headgoomba1984]

I feel Jaffe wasn’t pushed back on the sport issue and I would have liked Colin to press him on why he thought JK Rowlings position is “stupid”, I feel her actual position is ignored over the one activists have ascribed to her, which isn’t in reality close to what her actual position is. (Edit- I appreciate these conversations but the argument that “when did anyone give a fuck about woman’s sport” shows just how far the thinking is, it’s not phobic at all to not want to see biological females marginalised by biological males in their sport. I feel that the nuance is put aside to just label those asking questions as bigots). Also, who here wouldn’t want to be Chris Rock? Funny as hell and rich. Americans all to quickly say it’s a race thing when it’s actually a class issue .

[@BDreGaming]

I'm glad Colin mentioned the whole Leah Thomas debacle. It is absolutely grotesque that he is able to completely Destroy all those records, that all those young women worked so hard to achieve. Truly gross.

[@ViciousRead]

These types of conversations do nothing but enrich the medium we love. Great job, guys!

[@headgoomba1984]

This conversation would have been so much better if Sophia Narwitz had been involved, I love her content and her perspective as a trans women and a trans woman involved in the game industry and culture war, would have been so welcome here.

[@Johnnygrafx]

"a hole's a hole" Colin Moriarty 2022

[@Mikey_mau5]

The conversations between these two are always fantastic. Could listen to a 10hr episode. Both very smart humans with great respect for each other and it shows.

[@Mako2401]

David "I get my news from kotaku " Jaffe

[@scotty-lokay]

Sweet baby Jesus.. Jaffe looks 20 years younger.

[@skygoing82]

He went from Captain Ahab to a seasoned skater.

[@slappydoodle]

I always think he does himself a disservice by not rockin that magnificent beard

[@Snoy_Fly]

Every time he shaves😅

[@snakepond2716]

Sorry, but Jaffe is wrong with the trans sport stuff. Live your best life the way you want to is my motto but 200lbs dudes competing against women is wrong on any level.

[@quad-a-log4513]

Are they living their best life though by mutilating their bodies? Adults can do what they want but this is a child and she does not know what she wants from life yet

[@Coldplay88Metallica]

One of my favorite interviews and favorite interviewees. A pure classic. Thank you David and Colin! Amazing chemistry.

[@user-dj9iu2et3r]

Fucking love when these two intelligent, open minded men have a conversation.

[@synysterpain]

My two favorites together once again

[@AM-ec9qv]

I like how Jaffe pushes Colin. Feels like it’s needed a lot of the time

[@zackarybain]

Also love how easy going the friendship is between them! At the end when Jaffe asked if Colin was planning on marrying, he answered without missing a beat. Didn't even think twice. That kind of openness and friendship will always make for a captivating conversation

[@jonkuch8726]

I kinda get what you mean. I got that feeling more last time. This time i felt Colin was listening. I didnt really feel any pushing too much. But what do i know

[@fizzie202]

Great discussions in this episode especially at the end.

[@justlewis2226]

Collin is a fantastic interviewer, understandably with his background, his views are very clear and thought out, always open to discuss important issues and be honest about it. Fantastic show guys! ❤️

[@Uzielsquibb]

Weirded out that the first thing I do this morning is clog my toilet.

[@PeterBParker2398]

12:20 😂

[@Luun89]

Bruh

[@GameRiot]

where did that come from LOL

[@silverlabguy9670]

This is a real connection between those 2

[@emilioDCG]

Colin definitely passed the vibe check 😂

[@scoopskitheband]

Another great discussion. Never seem to get tired of you two together

[@DeAngryDan]

My daughter has started to box I'm coaching her a bit, if a trans kid ever gets into the ring with her I'm grabbing my daughter straight away and throwing her out of that ring. This is the problem, not what a person wishes to be and I really feel for them I wish them the best until my daughter faces a transitioned male to female. Your cracked and crazy if you think it's OK.

[@D71219ONE]

I don’t currently have any daughters, and I don’t have family that compete in women’s sports, so I don’t care about women’s sports. I do care about the general well fare of women though. I’m not okay with biological men dominating females in sport and keeping them from getting scholarships that could change their entire future. I’m also not okay with biological men fighting and seriously injuring females, because this has happened many times with trans “athletes”. Just because you don’t care about women’s sports, that doesn’t mean you should be fine when someone who identified as a man 95% of their life knocks out a female. Biology and science exists. His idea of joining everyone and separating by weight class won’t work. I weighed barely more than my wife when we got married. I could pick her up no problem. She couldn’t make me roll over in the bed. We started working out together. I gained over 30 lbs of muscle in no time. She gained 7 lbs. Men and women are different. Science isn’t a play thing, and just because you want something to be so doesn’t make it true.

[@jdcreative3095]

It was a jaw dropping view by David. Extreme and stupid. Perhaps his paternal instincts towards protecting his son have blinded his common sense. It’s honourable but you have to draw a line at madness.

[@EastCoastKody]

did this man just suggest that sports now be based on strictly weight classes and body type? Does he understand what would happen if Dustin Poirier fought Amanda Nunes at 155lbs

[@apg6745]

Jaffe is a socially cool guy with a do what thou will attitude. You know, the cool guy you hangout with sometimes, but he'll never be your best friend because he's a little suss morality wise.

[@alecblue5244]

Greatly appreciate what LSM is doing and putting out there in the interviewer and interviewee space. Thanks for that.

[@kevinkomaki7392]

One of the best sacred symbols+ episodes

[@steelcurtain187]

Great discussion guys. Always a pleasure hearing you two shoot the breeze

[@cgriffith0728]

These two need to have a podcast together.

[@jimcarrey2866]

I clearly remember the last time I saw Jaffe was in an interview where he was comparing DMC and GOW, time flies I wouldn't mind having more conversations between those 2 about games and life in general in the future

[@mk-qm3qk]

No fuckin way Collin . You really should of challenged jaffe more on trans sports . Number one and most important . No amount of muscle mass can help a woman beat a man . Men are bigger faster and stronger in every way . We have longer limbs thicker bones a larger skeletal frame and have over double the avarage of quick twitch muscle . There are plenty of women the same size as men but not one of them hold a record in anything to do with athletics.... Because biology. Second of all jaffe said all people who bring up trans sports are homophobic transphobes ... And you just nodded even though you definitely don't believe that . Very disappointed

[@jeffsmith3818]

He said a percentage are transphobes. And went on to say the rest are mostly uneducated about it. And then when explaining things he said some stuff about how to solve the sports problem that I don’t think are true because genderless weight classes won’t make things fair. Maybe there is a ratio or something science could figure out (100 lb males v 130 lb females in badminton or something, I dunno) that would make it fair though. I’ll give jaffe the benefit of the doubt that he knew he was oversimplifying.

[@LimJorino]

I'm surprised by Colin lately, he seems to be going further left on a lot of issues (he's even admitted such). It's totally fine, people can evolve and change their views however they wish.. but it's sad to see one of the only guys in the games media sphere who championed conservatives slowly get more progressive. (Colin if you read this I mean no disrespect and I am and always will be a huge fan)

[@jeffsmith3818]

@@LimJorino I think his views are just more nuanced than would fit in a “conservative” or “Republican” box. Like for me, I’m very liberal in all kinds of areas but I’m pro 2nd amendment and my all the way 100% liberal friends can’t understand it. Colin has become more pro worker. I think he can still be for smaller government and fewer entitlements while supporting policies designed to empower the working people of this country.

[@mk-qm3qk]

@@jeffsmith3818 I could say a percentage a peados or murderers I don't care ... Not acknowledging the fact that biological women are at a serious athletic disadvantage when compared to biological men is ludicrous and more importantly a lie . Jaffe rattled off about science that can make man Vs woman fair .. that doesn't exist !! Then shames people who questions it as transphobes and Colin just accepts it . This is the reason I stopped watching kinda funny .. I could t be involved in there clown works any more .I'm praying it doesn't happen with sacred symbols.. they're literally the last bastion of hope in logical thinking in the gaming sphere

[@LimJorino]

@@jeffsmith3818 very true!

[@Loopez2284]

LSM needs to get Jaffe permanently 😩 the chemistry and knowledge between Colin and Jaffe is just beautiful, so beautiful it shouldn't be restricted to a periodic SS+

[@headgoomba1984]

#SocialSymbols

[@owengarpblaine]

Great conversation guys. Thank you.

[@3xclusiv3sodak]

You 2 are fucking great together.

[@jessewilliams4922]

Great show guys. I don't always agree with both of you guys but I respect the hell out of you both. I love how honest and just down right genuine you guys are. Hope to see Jaffe back on soon.

[@cthulhu888]

12:20 - totally worth subbing to patreon for ss+ just for that line of dialogue lmao 😂🤣

[@IainWhoCantSleep]

jaffe is so off the mark when it comes to trans competing in womans sports. other than that great episode

[@jdcreative3095]

Absolutely agree

[@KumarJankins]

not he is not.

[@Tyzilla83Tyz]

@@KumarJankins yeah he is

[@josephmorales652]

He is off the mark by saying there should be more categories?

[@jdcreative3095]

@@josephmorales652 he sounds as mad as the round table guy.

[@jettxjordan]

damn why Jaffe look like Patton Oswalt

[@Lkjhgf5482]

About a year ago I first joined on Patreon because of Jaffe. It's great to see him again!

[@chaserseven2886]

I'm convinced the culture war is an immortal god from another dimension

[@reaper67309]

Shub-Niggurath has entered the chat

[@BDreGaming]

Colin, please never stop making the football references like you do. I know no one on your podcasts ever knows a thing about football, but I am a huge college and NFL football fan. I love hearing the references and I pretty much always know what you're talking about

[@puddlejumper8466]

This was so informative. I agree with Jaffe on some things, and disagree with him on others, but his insight into both gaming & non-gaming topics is invaluable. Grateful to both of you!

[@Marcus_K]

Try playing more games on other systems, if you'd like to be seen as less of a fanboy. Limiting yourself almost exclusively to one system and saying stuff like "I'm done with gaming, if Playstation ever goes under" is not helping the case. Also. everyone has blind spots in their gaming knowledge, so it's best not to get too cocky. Nobody knows it all. Colin knows a lot about old Nintendo games and Playstation games, but not much about Sega games, PC games, other computer games, VR games or old arcade games.

[@liammcnulty1987]

Jaffe seems like such a cool and chill dude. I disagree with him on everything to do with his politics, he's incredibly far left, and ignorant of biological facts. That being said, I don't care if someone has different views to me, I have a lot of admiration and respect for Jaffe, and would love to have a drink with him. I do wish Colin pushed back on some of the racist generalisations of "straight white male" insults, and some of the backwards and regressive ideas that children can be trans... but still.

[@Alex_Logan22]

That second paragraph makes no sense.

[@liammcnulty1987]

@@Alex_Logan22 because you probably think generalising straight white men is OK, and you probably think it's normal for trans children. Edit: ah, I came across all your other comments pretty much beating the woke talking points. We're not going to agree on anything, friend, let's just agree to disagree and leave it here. Take care.

[@Alex_Logan22]

@@liammcnulty1987 Fair enough, but I don't care about woke culture.

[@liammcnulty1987]

@@Alex_Logan22 I never meant it as an insult, just a description of politics, I hope it didn't come across as an insult. I meant I think our politics are quite different, and I don't want to argue with someone, there's enough arguing these days lol. Anyway I hope you look after yourself ☺

[@Alex_Logan22]

@@liammcnulty1987 None (insult) taken, I just don't engage with or identify with any box of politics. I have opinions sometimes, but I could care less where they fall on the political spectrum.

[@darkstriker00]

What a wonderfully Pleasant, interesting conversation between Colin and David Jaffe............ and then they f*****.

[@danbeaman1115]

What an episode.. this is one of the reasons i love my sacred symbols eps.

[@Acordim]

This is so good!! Please do more guys!!!

[@dp2791]

Loved the discussion however Jaffes opinions about trans are understandably very one sided. Much respect to him and his son, however there are plenty of reasons some would choose to be trans that are influenced by society’s flavour of the month, ie extrinsically.

[@Alex_Logan22]

It’s the minority more than the majority though.

[@VariantAEC]

Especially for biological women.

[@LokiTricksterG]

I like David Jaffe, but he makes the exact same mistake a lot of "woke" people do in assuming that every culture or race is a monolith with uniformed opinions. I'm a Latino guy, but I don't speak for the entire Latino "community", I can only speak for myself. When Jaffe says something like, "If I want to know about *insert group here*, I ask someone from *insert group here*", he makes it seem like that one person he asks is representative of the entire group of people when they are not. Also, my niece is going to college on a sports scholarship, so it's a bit dismissive to say no one cares about women's sports. For a lot of parents, a sports scholarship might be the only way they can afford to send their child to school. I'm not trying to badmouth Mr. Jaffe at all and respect his opinion, but these were just two things I disagreed with.

[@ronmexico7256]

I think it’s common sense that someone from a specific group will generally be more informed on issues specific to that group than someone outside that said group. What makes you think Jaffe believes everyone in a specific group would have an identical opinion he certainly doesn’t say that specifically, it seems like you’re just reading what you want to read into what he’s saying

[@rd_2113]

Great episode to listen to.

[@mje91]

It’s wild that Colin was able to get Patton Oswalt on the show

[@remylebaou1]

Sweet baby tooth Jaffee🤡🔥. A true playstation OG. It's always good to hear from him. 70dollars!!!!! Lmao. I can't get over that shit.

[@DanXcel]

More Jaffe x Colin please!!!

[@spillagevillage4030]

The right questions to Jaffe would have been, "What is a woman?"; "What is a man?"

[@dotty1774]

How about you define a chair

[@quad-a-log4513]

@@dotty1774 don’t give them any ideas, soon they will identify as a chair. I know I shouldn’t make light of the mentally disabled but they ask for it with the look at me mentality

[@guitarspud1723]

@@dotty1774 I bet you can identify a door matt. You are one.

[@MikeG82]

he makes games, he's not a biologist...

[@quad-a-log4513]

@@MikeG82 doesn’t mean he shouldn’t have common sense

[@Youngblaise2]

Loving it! Great talk ☺️

[@knleonhart]

I have this weird duality with gaming at present. The only way to get $200 million AAA releases is to have companies invest in their own ecosystems. However, the companies can no longer sustain the model without making business decisions that I hate. They’re all heavily guilty of it now and there’s no alternative haven to invest in besides PC.. which gets first class treatment when it comes to these business practices but hasn’t had priority with these kind of games. Also, it involves a much higher recurring investment in terms of time, patience, and capital. So you have to take the good with the bad wherever you go. It has been hard to see PlayStation change these last few years.

[@HEARD201]

These two are so fun to watch together.

[@NelsonMandela1million]

There is ZERO chance ANYONE offered Jaffe ANYWHERE near 100 million dollars to make a game.

[@muppetjoe870]

Two of the best boys in the biz. Love it :)

[@jeffsmith3818]

I didn’t even recognize Jaffe! These conversations are my favorite though. I’m stoked to listen

[@Mr8T1]

A weekly Jaffe X Colin podcast would be worth a patreon subscription... just saying.

[@quezcatol]

Jaffe thinks people hate trans people because they want boys and girls to play in their own leagues? Have you seen what boys do against grown up women in soccer and hockey? We literally have 13 year olds beating the adults with big scores. for ex the boys with 1 less player took out australias national womens team with 7-0. against boys. what the hell do you think would happend against adults? and disney grooming kids? no, I dont agree with that but the same people who calls that a crazy conspiracy says its indoctrination to take your kid to a church every sunday, as they put chemicals in their kids and says they are in their wrong body.

[@robertolbert3585]

This comment made me remember how me and my classmates (boys) beat our high school girls handball team back in the nineties. Our teacher arranged that as a part of their training. There were only two boys among us who had played handball before. It was a bit funny at first, but quickly became sad. And actually dangerous, they were so fragile.

[@quezcatol]

@@robertolbert3585 one of the adults in the women soccer national team for australia was literally crying as they lost to the boys with 7-0. I dont mock her for that, I just think its wrong to do this to them.

[@VariantAEC]

@@robertolbert3585 Fragile? Mentally, physically or both? Frankly if what you said was true, I think what that teacher did to the girls team as part of "their training" was pretty messed up.

[@robertolbert3585]

@@VariantAEC If I remember correctly, they were dominating their national league (on their age level here in Slovakia) and were not facing challenging opponents regularly. So this match was arranged by our teacher and their coach. Fragile I mean physically, they simply could not stop us, and I had to be careful to not hurt anyone especially while breaking through their "defense". After some time, the teacher actually asked us to stop "showing off", because the goalkeeper started to avoiding stronger shots instead of catching. Literally: "Come on guys, not every shot has to be the strongest you can do!" I remember it all quite clearly, because it was my only handball match in my whole life. They had to explain the rules to me. I was chosen to participate because I was football (soccer) goalkeeper for our village team, which was considered good enough experience.

[@somosgamers2665]

Once again Collin with an amazing content.

[@mecharobots]

I would eat up a weekly podcast with these two as its such a great podcast

[@slappydoodle]

Fck yea that'd b awesome 👌

[@bikiminhas2315]

While I do like jaffe, I do find myself disagreeing with him a lot. His take on gamepass, triple A games, and all that is just.....eh.

[@Dhbdhjdbd]

I mean its ok to disagree with him. If you'd agree with him 100% then you'd be called David Jaffe 😂

[@Shinobifoxx]

I had to double-take at the "old gays" bit . Someone's been watching Tim Dillon lately 😁

[@prestonphillips473]

The answer is to ban pronouns and just use people's names. That would solve a ton of problems. Also the "nonsense" going on in Florida is absolutely fine. I want a school to teach math, English, science, geography and history, that's it. Leave all the other stuff to families. No religion, no sexuality (straight or whatever). The answer to all of it should be "ask your parents."

[@quad-a-log4513]

The answer is to grow a fucking backbone, especially if they decide they are attention whores.

[@HardstyleREVOLVER]

Christ we need more Colin and David. Phenomenal.

[@punpun-ya]

always a good time when Jaffe and Colin link up 🙏

[@leetopliff8085]

really enjoyed this episode guys who knew all it took for colin to take it in the ass was jaffe to buy his merch lol 😆 great content as always guys

[@Crashme222]

Love this duo!

[@Manny_Morales]

Always a fucking pleasure to hear you two talk about anything! Thank you!

[@EpicFurious]

What a fucking awesome, honest conversation. The gaming industry needs more of this.

[@partlycloudy1942]

Shame is always looked at like a pure negative but it is in fact something that helps keep society from going off the rails.

[@bigolpancake9136]

What a podcast. Well done.

[@devong5669]

My two favourite personalities collaborating, I love it!

[@doorshotel]

First class convo gents

[@legolasontheshelf3587]

The book Colin brought up is called Irreversible Damage by Abigail Shrier

[@jak-A127]

Last couple minutes warms my heart, I'm in a similar situation. Good advice Jaffe. ;) Awesome episode!

[@scottytooshotty1]

Man, I fuckin loved this!

[@Mojavekight17]

This conversation is amazing David jaffe is so fun

[@indo2383]

I disagree with Colin a lot and think he has soft spots but I appreciate some of his conversations and his willingness to have conversations.

[@caseyanders1601]

I’ve tried, as an adult, to have as many hardware platforms as I could. That way I’m not limiting my own gaming experiences. I can, however, call out a bad game, gaming experience, piece of hardware, etc. Fanboyism is tribalistic behavior for idiots and simpletons. There’s always those just looking to troll, but they’ll always be subhuman pieces of garbage. 🤷‍♂️

[@Donald_Allan]

Well said. I own a Xbox Series X, PS5 and Nintendo Switch and think it's great that I get to experience the best that all platforms have to offer. I think that fanboyism is just stupid and is just unnecessary. I just wish that we could go back to a time where people didn't have fights or arguments over which games they played or what systems they played their games on.

[@isturbo1984]

I try to own and play on all platforms as well. When you do that, the shortcomings of each of them become mighty apparent! And when you speak out against them, you ironically get called a fanboy by the troglodytes who can't criticize their favorite plastic box. Really, its the hypocritical element in there which is loathsome to me.

[@TerraWare]

It's ridiculous because we're talking about made to be affordable mass produced gaming consoles here. There's nothing special or privileged about owning a Playstation or Xbox or PC. Any adult with a job that wants to buy one of these things or all of them can, which is why it's so ridiculous to see some of these people who behave like God himself descended from the heavens to hand pick them to own the best console.

[@VariantAEC]

@@TerraWare When were PCs made to be powerful enough to play games well at with console like settings or better at 60hz and be affordable? Many of the games coming out now run like doo on a PC when trying to be competitive with consoles and according to the Steam Hardware Survey the GPU in my PC reigns supreme (the GTX 1070) which to many PC enthusiasts online (read "PC fanboys") is low-end. I just looked at the cost of building a new PC and even with the monumental help of my very healthy tax return I couldn't afford to make the PC capable of competing with a PS5 or Xbox Series X. Consoles are made to be cheap by way of mass production... PCs are not (save for Steam Deck which hopefully won't meet the same fate as Steam PCs).

[@TerraWare]

@@VariantAEC Consoles offer pretty good value especially their first couple of years and especially these consoles. That said it's all relative. For example most pc players don't have high end gear but also most console players are on PS4 and Xbox One/ Switch as well. It depends on what your needs are, the games you're into, where your friends are etc. In my opinion consoles aren't really directly comparable to pc's because a pc can do so much more functionality wise. Even a pc with equivalent gaming performance to todays consoles performance, you can customize your gaming experience to your liking. Maybe around a lower resolution high fps experience or higher resolution lower fps experience, something in between, multiple monitor setup etc. It's backwards compatible with everything, including emulating all older consoles, all older games are enhanced because of your hardware. You can run a KZbin channel, create content, stream etc etc. Of course that may mean nothing to a lot of people and that's fine. Consoles offer a streamlined experience where gaming is the focus and the user experience is made to be as simple as possible although that seems to be changing because consoles are getting quite complicated with their features which is a good thing imo.

[@Wayofthelao]

He looks like a heftier version of the actor who plays hawk eye, and yes I’m a heavy guy myself

[@josephmorales652]

I’m cancelling you…

[@josephmorales652]

Jk jk

[@slappydoodle]

Oh snap ur right

[@TerraWare]

I don't fault Microsoft or hold anything against them for enriching the leadership of Activision. I see it as the thousands of Activision employees being saved and work for a better company (hopefully). The leadership of Activision would remain plenty rich even if Activision crumbled down and all the employees were left jobless. I see it like Elon Musk buying Twitter in a way. A good thing.

[@slappydoodle]

This is a good combo. We need more of it. U make jaffe a member of sacred symbols n ill never miss an episode

[@Loopez2284]

Love Jaffe ❤️

[@Bavari90]

Colin Moriarty is doubling down that he is not a fanboy, sure dude...👏😂👏😂👏😂👏😂.

[@terogamer345]

What i fear is that Sony will do the bare minimum with the BC games on the new PS Plus service, it will fail because they did the bare minimum and then point at it as a justification that "noone wants to play old games". What i want them to do is two things, first they need to offer a way to buy those games, not just offer them as a sub thing and second they need to enhance them like you can on PC emulators. You can play PS1, PS2 and PSP games with texture filtering, 4K upscaling, fixing texture and polygon issues in PS1 games on PC and they look awesome, i REALLY hope Sony puts in the effort on their emulators.

[@RU46N2]

Love both of your takes on the console wars I have had debate with people on twitter and by the end of it we both heard each other's side. And by the end of the conversation we were recommending games to each other. I dont troll but I just really want to have conversations about games. Thanks for give both of your takes on this.

[@ToxMod]

Jaffe: Do you want to F@&$?? Me: Awkward

[@maxzavalaiii2866]

A great combination.

[@CowhandFudca]

Fantastic

[@king0fchickens696]

What a great episode!

[@Treeo77]

Great episode, great content. That last 30 minutes or so was rough though. At the end of the day, I cannot be told someone has gone from 400 something in mens to number 1 in women’s and come to the conclusion that there isn’t as distinct biological advantage. I implore everyone to live their life and identity as they see fit but sports are about the biology of the person, not their gender identity. That can be said without being a “-fobe” of some kind.