Are you good for your osu! rank?

[@ajj5735]

"rank in this game is not a measure of skill but a measure of what you have achieved" - thelewa

[@120-cell]

true, but what you have achieved correlates strongly with your skill

[@trulyvvlx]

@@120-cellonly if you engage with the system. Case in point: farm maps and derankers.

[@gug4a]

R.I.P goat

[@poosch]

R.I.P thelewa

[@tvojan4779]

R.I.P.

[@yyoshman]

"your rank in the world, is entirely based on your pp, if its big, you are higher, if its small you are lower"

[@sven3413]

"your rank in the world, is entirely based on your pp, if its big, you are higher, if its small you are lower"

[@yyoshman]

@@sven3413 yep thats what i said

[@sandwich-plays]

So true, my pp is small and im not high

[@cyberhg2943]

"your rank in the world, is entirely based on your pp, if its big, you are higher, if its small you are lower"

[@yyoshman]

@@cyberhg2943 yep, indeed that is the comment

[@underfrag_]

0:55-0:59 "your ranking in the world is dependant on how high your pp is" -Willy

[@yyoshman]

kinda stole my comment but whatev probably just thought of the same thing im not the first person to make a pp penis joke

[@DeadFrozeKorro]

In the world 😂

[@fishyforyou]

The game taught me that my position never mattered, I learned to enjoy everything for myself rather than for my image so long as it didn't affect others

[@waveybooo]

fishii !!!!

[@nekoman_k]

what r u doing here

[@saultyops8612]

Omg ur the guy that I was talking to when I was farming padoru

[@GadoGD]

rank is just how good you are at gaining pp, not necessarily skill, although there is a strong correlation between skill and pp

[@4_qu]

the feeling of being stuck at a certain rank range was soul crushing for me back in 2019 and 2020, genuinely felt like i was never gonna make it out of 5 digit and now i've gone from 10k to 3.5k in 3 months, just shows that if u stop caring and just play game, you actually start getting better without even realising lol

[@Minstra]

Ranks are good till derankers are in

[@spandout]

I mean farmers are the opposite of derankers, but they also are a part of this problem

[@anoszymekk7760]

@@spandout everyone is a farmer

[@spandout]

@@anoszymekk7760 🧑‍🌾👩‍🌾👨‍🌾

[@daniel1RM]

@@anoszymekk7760i know you just commented that without using a single neuron to think, but we know that can’t be true just by the fact that some are way more talented than others in aim and speed, not everyone can play 270 streams

[@aiae]

willy this is very good video format I enjoyed it so much

[@snowldier2200]

same

[@Kimizuky]

Being a HR player and seeing my friends all play DT and get insane ranks for shit 30 seconds maps made me realize this, It made me not care about ranks cause really there's not much I can do, but it still is a bit disappointing

[@Bgamer__]

Ez main here, even when getting like no pp from plays it's still really motivating to see yourself set a low miss count on a map that most of the people around your rank hell even far away from your rank can't play with Ez.If you care only about rank and pp then quit playing as you will hit a wall when you try to play other skills due to the gap in pp difference.

[@tmhamoty]

I always feel bad for ez players, fl players and the like. Feel like those still sets are underweighted, but they’re so cool.

[@T1G_ap]

The reason I love this game is that YOU decide what improvement is. It can be rank, accuracy, passes, weird skillsets, or just dedication - Anything you want can be "improvement" if you look at it that way. I am proud of a decent chunk of my top plays, but infinitely more proud of many plays not on there. My personal metric is "Would this, or future improvements of this, look cool AF if I showed it to a friend, or someone else that plays the game". Find your groove, and pls enjoy game

[@riceuu]

Tbh i always wish there was another way to reward plays in this game bc i feel like a lot of people just fall into the trap that the PP system is the only metric of how good they are only to be bummed out(sometimes depressed???) just cause they aren't going up in rank, even tho the game is ultimately a solo player game

[@WillyOsu]

Luckily peppy has seemed open to adding "dedication points" or something to reward players for the more prolific their play repertoire, so look forward to that in the future!

[@reith_3346]

Another problem with farm map is that pretty much everyone is farming like you said and the ones that don't want to farm the same map over and over again to gain pp is quickly considered a deranker because "you are too good for your rank" when in reality they are just playing the game and having fun

[@a-o-s]

If someone asks "am I good for my rank?" first we need to ask what exactly they're looking to be "good" at. If its how well they have demonstrated they can perform in exactly the way that the pp system rewards, then their rank is exactly how good they are. but as you said, tldr the pp system is bummy. I and most of the community think that it's a metric that is simply inaccurate at accessing what people would naturally consider "good".

[@heyo9309]

I like osu!Skills, it tracks your plays by 7 categories: Stamina, Tenacity, Agility, Accuracy, Precision, Reaction, Memory. It gives scores points based on how much it fits in these categories. i like it because i can see really quickly on what i have to improve. Ofc it isn't perfect but it's better than just focusing on your rank imo.

[@tn_t1m]

feels like its similar to schoolgrades. they mean nothing and say nothing about your iq or smth. its just a matter of learning

[@playakatsukirelax]

iq also isn't really a good measure of intelligence which just goes to show that any data that isn't alreadt numerical will be hard to represent accurately in numbers

[@txthys]

@@playakatsukirelax i think you are a bit confused on terminology intelligence is somebodies aptitude to learn knowledge is how much somebody has learnt they go hand-in-hand, but aren't the same. iq test are a decent (ignoring stuff like performance anxiety etc) measure of intelligence, but don't touch knowledge.

[@qwe-y5h]

@@playakatsukirelax gyat

[@Bl.ackCat]

At the end of the day skill Is skill. So just look at that, and for people that derank (I've always thought this) playing against someone that is worse than you in almost every way just so you can win is an L mentality. If you want to be competitive then play against people that will actually be competition and help you improve and not demotivate other players from going in the tourney scene. There is a lot more I would like to say about that but I'll just leave it be.

[@rxmiosu1190]

thanks man it really has been demotivationf seeing my friend pass me by so much and me feeling stuck, like i remember 2 years ago we were both 6 digit and now im 65000 and hes 2900 and yeah ive been beating myself up over this saying why cant i get better, why is he just better, i tried so hard and i cant make any progress, and watching ur vid has actually made me less worried about that

[@stdtankoonwin98osu]

I'm really proud of my plays and idgaf about what other people talk about the ranks because it's just numbers and be proud of your own plays

[@ArbitraryUsername12]

When people ask if they’re good for their rank, I think what they mean to say is “am I capable of doing everything that I should be capable of doing at my rank, or have I farmed easy maps too much/become a one trick?” In that sense I think the question isn’t trivially misguided; there are definitely people that are lower rank than me but who I think are better than me because they’re more well rounded or are capable of playing maps I can’t.

[@mathis3145]

i totally agree with the conclusion of the video, thank you for making it, gotta say getting pp requires some consistency so its a good way to make the players evolve better

[@fyve2806]

maliszewski won against mrekk last year on cc edit: mrekk won last year, but this year… yeah, he slept

[@SoNotFun]

u mean this year?

[@fyve2806]

@@SoNotFun well, yeah, both 👍

[@SoNotFun]

@@fyve2806 mrekk won last year's corsace closed

[@fyve2806]

@@SoNotFun oh yeah i forgot 💀

[@SEANKlM]

I get destroyed by 600k russians on multi (im 40k)

[@KickingPebbles99]

tournaments seem so fun, need to make it to 5 digit first

[@DarkHalis9]

Just be prepared for derankers to sweep the tournament. But if you dont care about winning or losing, then its pretty fun

[@playakatsukirelax]

if you wanna play tournaments i heavily recommend avoiding farm maps like the plague because if you can reach 5 digit without farming then you can likely make it past qualifiers and not get instantly destroyed by the deranker fest that is rank-ranged tournaments

[@LordiuSB]

There are a good number of 6-digit tourneys tho

[@KickingPebbles99]

@@playakatsukirelax Ty for the advice! So tech, aim control, finger control, hr hd and I assume basic DT right?

[@giant-adephage]

@@KickingPebbles99i think if you like 1 or 2 of those you should become a specialist in that before trying to become an all rounder. helps you put your foot in the door and makes you useful to your team. pretty much be able to compete with derankers on a few maps and your team can fill the rest

[@Dragon20942]

Personally, I think it’s fine to a large extent to buy into the pp system as the main metric to rate your skill. There will always be popular maps and popular skillsets, and a continuous conversation between devs, mappers, and players to help things get better for everyone. That being said, I think after a while, players should explore a bit and personalize their preferences for what metrics they find fulfilling. For many, pp is just a convenient way for players to find improvement and compare themselves to other people (and to reassure themselves that they haven’t peaked yet). Over time, this will evolve into other metrics like recognizing accuracy, misscount, passes, mod combinations, etc. on specific maps, or tourney performance. For me, pp takes on different meanings depending on the context - if I feel like caring about pp, then a 200pp score for me is excellent with EZ, but if I’m playing speed, I’m gunning for 400-500pp scores instead. Pp is just one of the many reasons that supports why I could be proud of a play, but it is nice that there is a number that is designed to meaningfully reflect skillful performance. In the end, pp is just a number, and rank is derived from weighed pp. How someone uses those for comparison is up to them

[@wesk612]

"seeing all your friends pass you in rank" Well jokes on you, I don't HAVE friends! hahaha...

[@whitebeartigtig]

I stopped really caring about rank a long time ago. I'm still a 6 digit, but I fc 6 star maps, and have a top play of 278pp. The most important thing for me though is having fun with this game, sure pp is cool and all, but I think I'll stick to my 3 min+ nomod maps, those are what I find fun. I post some of my plays in a discord server I'm in, the majority there are 5 digits who have been playing for a good while. I honestly wish I could have seen the look on their faces when I got my fc on Ranbu no Melody (6.38 stars) 97.71% acc. So of course I play some shorter farm maps, because why the heck not, I don't retry spam or anything like that though. I'm honestly super proud of what I have achieved in the past year of playing this game, it's honestly crazy to think about how fast I've improved. So glad I found this game.

[@hammoru]

Great video! Honestly a really good video for new players/people that are stuck or demotivated with not climbing. You should take the game slow at your own pace and just enjoy what you play and you’ll improve overtime! No need to rush things in this game!!!

[@popkornhd1428]

I am a person who never really played for rank. I pushed for as high of a rank as I can get once and never farmed since. (59.158 rn and 39.910 3 years ago) "rank in this game is not a measure of skill but a measure of what you have achieved" - thelewa is a quote, but I don't think it's still very accurate. My favorite scores and scores I'm most proud of are passes on classic maps, or really hard maps. For me ranking is a reason to play the game, but not what makes you. Just like passing maps is my reason to play the game. I am good for my rank because I try to push my limit as much as I can and try to get better and learn from my mistakes. I'd personally rather say "rank in this game is a measure of how consistently perfect you are at your main skillset." open for discussion btw

[@blotas1904]

4:31 DERIVATIVES MENTIONNED !! WHAT THE FUCK IS A CONSTANT??

[@retardedindividual2050]

WHAT THE FUCK IS A CONSTANT!!???

[@moofurg]

I’m going to integrate your derivative

[@retardedindividual2050]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO@@moofurg

[@blotas1904]

@@moofurg oh my god, we will end up with a loss of information

[@moofurg]

​@@blotas1904 quick someone find the initial value

[@agegarret]

There really should be separate tournament rankings

[@Halftroller]

Very good discussion video, talking to and listening to you has definitely changed the way I'm viewing skill in this game.

[@thomas.samaroo]

As I was told... Jack of all trades master of none is better than a jack of all trades master of one.

[@X3m.Gaming]

pp system is the best ranking system in any game i have ever seen and seeing it being hated this much feels weird. i dont agree with the statement that if you pp farm you are not as good as your pp says because if you have a lot of plays that are all high pp that at least means you are consistant. even if there is that +-30% inbalance in the number

[@Chromey]

love these discussion commentary videos they are greay

[@b0b3r5]

the truth is just play for fun and get better with next days

[@xenai.]

I think that the PP system should be mostly acc dependent. I like how taiko and Mania work. They work differently, but they both eem to be heavy on the acc. It's annoying to get a 99%, but lose a lot of pp because I got a single miss, thats not the case in those 2 modes. Now, lets not talk about getting a miss in catch💀

[@xenai.]

Okay, so I was a bit off from what you were talking about I see

[@peanutbutterbean1738]

my focus on the ranking system is what has kept me away from maps/skillsets that dont reward much pp, and when i managed to finally get to 5 digit (my primary goal since i started the game) my motivation plummeted and for the last few months have barely touched the game. Now its just a matter of finding maps to play to practice these other skillsets, like i really want to get good at EZ but i always beat myself up about not being able to fc a 3* map not seeing it for how difficult it is for me but how little pp it would give if i did fc it, only looking for higher pp values and star ratings just kept me wanting to only play the farm maps because of the higher numbers attached to them and not how impressive i find them.

[@sR_Pengu1n]

The only "hard maps" I can play are 5-6 star maps with HT so that they're 4-5 star 😂

[@Aya_zee]

Hello, I recently started playing Osu! I was demotivated on how much worse my tapping skills than my aim. Thank you for this.

[@sfisher923]

Not osu! but I am indeed proud of FCing Uprising by Muse on Easy All Taps in Clone Hero back in 2023 Had so many chokes on the Long Notes right before the final chorus

[@rezan3524]

Due to school work I haven't really had the chance to farm ranks in 2 years now and at this point I just don't really care about it now

[@snowio2592]

been choking my first 500 for 5 years at this point

[@pacifistonly]

love it when derankers with the skills of a 3 digits enters 5 digits tournaments !!!

[@PinaEverlue]

im a sightread only player thats rank 189k i could easily get to 140k or above in like a day or 2 if i farmed. my rank means nothing to me because i dont farm and dont care to. plus i spend all my time getting 1 stars

[@chery0]

If the osu ranking was like etterna it would be so fun

[@mangoee_]

correlation does not imply causation

[@osku388]

Idk pp feels pretty reliable. Farming can be seen as a booster of say 20% or something similar so you can pretty definitively say that a low 5 digit is always better than a 6 digit for example.

[@Jayden.827]

I got the short end of the stick, I’m pretty bad at farm maps but pretty decent with ez and old uncomfortable maps

[@argonry]

im very proud of my rog-unlimitation fc (first 200), save me(drummer mapset) 2miss choke, and brazil 8bit ver. app's diff hr fc as a 6 digit (200k) c:

[@argonry]

Tho I dont play much anymore, and also all 6 digit maps are farm maps :v

[@DeadFrozeKorro]

I agree that the well rounded player is better. It is a shame we have to play farm maps to increase our rank :/. I mean the pp system really is better than it ever was but its just not as good as to determine your rank anywhere accurately. It really is like you said: you rank means how much you have farmed

[@shatterdpixel]

thank you willy, but i know im both overranked and good for my rank

[@120-cell]

pp is a pretty good measurement of mechanical skill, so "rank has nothing to do with your skill in the game" (0:15) is just wrong. I agree with the rest of what you said, tho.

[@GeoTheZodiac]

I don't really farm so yes. I'm good for my rank

[@Milenakos]

as a 7 digit who didnt play the game for multiple years i can confirm i fully deserve my placement

[@huh0123]

You are right, rank isn’t a measure of skill, which is why derankers piss me off so much, QUIT LETTING 4 DIGITS INTO OUR 5 DIGIT TOURNEYS BRUH I CAN’T

[@miguel_noob6668]

my top 5 plays goes from sidetracked day 98acc to random dt jump (i cant even dt i dont know how i set that score) and then some jump maps and a valley of the vale 94%acc 💀💀💀

[@miguel_noob6668]

and yes, i fell good about my top plays its really cool to be able to play both aim and streams, since i find both super fun i also find tech fun, so ill practice it so i have more maps option to play

[@randomname392]

I dont really care about my rank or skill level at anything specific anymore (though i will admit seeing that +pp does give me a slight hit of dopamine). I just find songs or maps I like and play them. If I'm not good at the style those maps are in, I play more of that style until im confident in it and then play. Plz enjoy game.

[@skadi5133]

PP is what drives new players to improve. Hard to have fun and be proud of plays when low star maps are mostly trash

[@WillyOsu]

guy who hasn't played enough low star maps

[@skadi5133]

​@@WillyOsu yeah man good for you lmao

[@synexiasaturnds727yearsago7]

​@@WillyOsuif by low stars you mean 2 stars and below then ehhh If you meant 3 and 4 stars I agree

[@Amachi]

Yes, yes I am. Thank you

[@r7ne]

Willy is here to spit some facts.

[@jym2r]

As per usual

[@aprilnya]

me when i’m in a missing the point competition and my opponent is willy

[@nyupenyu]

r/place 24 when

[@WillyOsu]

same but for everyone who asks if they're good for their rank

[@mezwial6530]

Now the question: Should I be proud of my plays and are they good? ;w;

[@Max35P]

i dont know if im good for my rank but im extremely good at enjoying the game for my rank :D

[@qrzone8167]

Depends, if you only ever touch janky tech maps then yes, your rank is probably accurate for what you do. However if you then go and play some DT jump stream map worth like 2x the pp of what you normally play, then your rank reflects how good you are at DT farming instead of tech. Rank is such a broken system and osu! can try and fix it until the heat death of the universe and probably still won't be close to having it completely balanced.

[@Aremder]

if you dont spesifically go out of your way to play only underweighted maps chances are you are as good as your rank, farm maps are common, available and they come in different skillsets. an average player will almost always stumble upon them.

[@edusam4133]

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[@TheDuckyGamer]

they should maybe make rank half pp and half top 10 hardest maps and top 10 hardest with harder gamemodes

[@Blysling2980]

W awnser he gave on a stream ❤

[@GOKpot]

I play mania, but sometimes i play a map that is almost 5 star but is more like a 4 star and, because of that, it gave more pp

[@KaelooZz]

I don't even care about rank since I was really close to 1k milestone and they decided to "award" me with about 300pp. Only thing I'm trying to farm rn is acc because I'm playing probably too hard for me maps that give me like 40pp for 300 combo with 90% acc lol

[@zAcroniX]

The community needed this one

[@xystumlol]

0:55 my pp reaches quite high but why is my rank low?!?!?!?!?

[@opensand8228]

yo u should do more of these vids fr

[@willnewell9242]

im like 160k and i play gimmicky alt focused maps with weird mods which leads to almost no plays and no pp but that does not = skill my friend whos 90k says im better than him because hes just good at farm maps pp really does not mean anything it just shows times where you pop off oh and god i wish theyd buff reading somehow

[@yugao2]

Play the maps you like and focus on those skillset reach above 98% is good enough for me.

[@mxxkyboi]

im bad for my rank

[@Pet_Hedgehog]

i think it does a bit, no way a 7 digit is better than a 5 digit in any playstyle, but yeah when it comes to lets say top 200k and top 100k the differences are narrow

[@AlexCnC1095]

Am i good for my rank?

[@De_rad]

send profile

[@ITotallyGetThat]

time to post this as a response to the relevant weekly reddit post

[@peterkovacs9951]

dude drop the bangs

[@99rangepuur]

it is not based on how much u farm cuz not everyone can play the same maps

[@Eiszahn]

Great video but now i hate myself more cause my plays kinda suck 😂 (Granted i dont really play anymore)

[@JacksonSattler]

RANK DON'T MEAN SHIT 🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣

[@mikkelcornelius6948]

Didn’t everyone stop using rank for tournament seeding five years ago?

[@Nixcix_]

if pp is not a reliable thing what should I look at to measure my skill over time ? obviously if I manage to do harder maps it means that my skill is higher than before but there's nothing else to rely on ?

[@xdoza]

i love you bro

[@SoloOneMiss]

This video seems a bit misleading, as ranks in different rhythm games are scored differently. While OSU! is just a pp grind, not all rhythm games are.

[@know_how_games]

i got a 85% harumachi +dt [loli's insane] 113pp as my top play. this video helped me not be ashamed of it, but just not care

[@asaudrey]

Is it just me or has Willy osu lost weight? You look good bro

[@eevertp]

great video

[@heartreach5027]

I agree with parts of the video but i dont think its fair to sit there saying "whoever has farmed more will have more pp" and all that rank means is "who farmed more" cuz that is just completely false. PP is more representative of raw mechanical skill which has it own problems as certain skillsets are neglected. But i still dont see how this has anything to do with how much you farm. Top ranked players aren't top players because they farmed the most but because they worked on the skillsets that is rewarded in the pp system.

[@WillyOsu]

This is fair, but between two people with the same mechanics at that level, the one who has played more maps will always have more pp and a better rank. It's not that top players get there purely by farming, but the reality is that the top players that do farm will always be a higher rank than a counterpart of the same skill level that doesn't.

[@heartreach5027]

@@WillyOsu That is Fair, I agree

[@qwertzec]

the pp is so bad. i almost fc a map i never before could beat and get a godmode clip, but its still not even my highest pp play. instead its a 20 seconds farm map. im a six digit but i can pass 6 star maps pretty easily give me a few tries and if its not above 220 bpm, then i will pass it.

[@klonrymeryme5293]

back when Skystar make caramel heaven everyone happy how fun the man but it open the pandora box of 1-2 jump map exploit. sucks that the mapper just want make challanging and fun map it litteraly fell the same case of daidai gnome.

[@someheadpats]

Im not your avg player given I started osu at 22 not a kid and now im 26 my peak rank was 45k and my top play I did 1st try and quite literally sighed people need to understand ehh.. rank is basically subjective and we are following the subjective view of osu together. Its subjective because it quite literally doesn't matter and as you pointed out and can be "wrong"... or... can it? Something you didn't touch on is the very real possibility that certain individuals will excel in certain tasks than others so maybe someone has a gift and they're better at speed and they will always be better than speed than someone that has theoretical better aim etc etc... Memory is a very easy one to point a stick at because you don't even need to touch the genetic side of this argument some people literally have amazing memory and some people have terrible memory we all agree on that We aremt all the same some of us finding different things harder then each other is what makes us human The people that care about pp so much that farm 99% of the time they play I worry about their mental health because they're running a race that they're almost guaranteed to lose

[@UmCaraNormalnumPlanetanormal]

Im 50k and i legitimately play worse than 6 digits LMAO

[@br4in554]

Good thing you didn't get into what is considered farm nowadays

[@trustedatlantic]

the pp system 🅿️🅿️

[@theidentifiable1849]

only just reading the title, I wonder if you can actually stay at a certain rank range in your entire osu career and have like skills of another rank range (ex. your rank 600k+ and like your overall skill is like a 4 digit is that possible?) all because you grinded your skillsets first before farming

[@playakatsukirelax]

definitely, you just need to focus on playing underrepresented skillsets in the pp system (like tech or precision) or just straight up playing offline or unranked maps some examples of players like this are digitalhypno (played 4 digit tourneys for 3-4 years, farmed back in 2020 and ended up halving his rank and entering 3 digits) and A21 (won 4 digit world cup in october 2020 and reached 2 digits on february 2021)

[@theidentifiable1849]

aight amma do this for a matter of time, if I get accused for it, I hope someone finds this reply section, as a source of evidence xdddd anyway, thank you very much for the enlightment!!!❤️❤️

[@atollx522]

no im trash