Willys CJ5 Body Tub Front Floor Welding and Hat Channel

[@m38_depotharold12]

Thank you for showing what's to come when having to fit commonly available panels. Also, a great job of showing what tools will be needed and what they are used for. Your tips on what to look out for during the process is priceless!! I am really enjoying this series of videos!!!

[@geepcj2a]

You made that problem hat channel look real nice. That customer is going to have a great looking Jeep!

[@metalshaperJeep]

Yes, the body tub is coming along great, this is going to be a very nice CJ5.

[@dcopple]

Nice work, awesome instructional videos. Thank you for posting. I have an M38A1 restoration underway now, and always come to your videos when I am stuck. Wish I could afford some of the power hammers, but can only work with old hand tools.

[@wyattoneable]

I love the details. Once you stood back so we could see the whole project in the screen it became very impressive.

[@metalshaperJeep]

thanks for watching and taking time to comment. Great to have viewers like you watching my channel. Brian

[@infodawg]

Really nice share. Fascinating topic. I won't pretend that I could do this work.

[@joefleming8568]

Looking good Brian, thanks for all your hard work.

[@metalshaperJeep]

Hello Joe, the body tub is coming out great, will move on to the rest of the problem areas tomorrow.

[@sw1115ms]

It's gotta be great for Joe to see his project coming along. Your work is awesome Brian. Thanks for your time.

[@metalshaperJeep]

I hope he is enjoying it. Project is coming out great and I am trying to show others how to rebuild their body tubs correctly. Brian

[@fastdadgarage-northsouthch4418]

I had those problems with hat channel on my first 3b. Did just what you said, cut it all apart and put it where it needed to be.

[@metalshaperJeep]

Glad you were able to over come the problem. Seems like all the companies set up to make parts just can't get it right.

[@dluscombephantom86]

Hi Brian, I have been trying to determine if Floating Cage Nuts we're ever used to bolt the front fenders to CJ5 tubs. I swear that was how it was done on my '74, but so far polling the audience only shows the use of the welded on plate nut. Perhaps I just remember the Floating Cage Nuts from other attach points. You are my last hope Obiwan Kenobe.

[@metalshaperJeep]

Fender to body is done with a threaded plate welded to body. The floating cage nuts that you are thinking about are on the grille and the fender attaches at that point. Bolt goes thru the fender from the underside and into the cage nuts attached to the grille.

[@frankinpattaya]

Looking good mate, great job on the floors as normal

[@metalshaperJeep]

thanks for watching Frank. Rest of the body repair coming soon. Brian

[@frankinpattaya]

metalshaper Brain, myself and thousands of other are always keep an eye on what your up too..great channel mate

[@metalshaperJeep]

Thanks Frank, hopefully this spring will be full of different projects here around the farm.

[@davidmicheletti6292]

Wish I knew about you thirty years ago when I replaced the body of my CJ with a fiberglass body. My project came out OK but it really wasn’t like the steel body at all.

[@NigelsModellingBench]

Lovin your videos Man!! Here in the UK I use Aerosol furniture polish like Pledge to keep my nozzle clean. Just spray some in the nozzle and hey presto, it stays clean because the spatter can't stick.

[@metalshaperJeep]

good tip, thanks for sharing

[@seanmacnee3251]

Hello I’m looking at your videos and really thankful for them. Any ideas on where to get quality floor pans and hat channels ? I’ve got a 1970 renegade 1 Cj5 I’m looking to install them on.

[@jackcollins2344]

Another great video. Thanks again. Thumbs up

[@DerStrom]

The weldable primer is a great tip!

[@metalshaperJeep]

It really increases the life of sheet metal parts on a body tub build

[@DerStrom]

metalshaper I’m about to start my A1 tub soon. The timing on this is perfect.

[@colin8532]

Wow, that looks very good, nice job!

[@metalshaperJeep]

Thanks, this body tub is coming out great. Keep watching for more videos.

[@advertgroup6389]

Restoring a 1966 CJ5, need to know which hat channels I need to avoid. Thanks

[@defendermender4959]

Looking great! Still hoping for your video on how to fix oil canning in aluminium dents haha Keep up the good work.

[@louisnemick317]

Fantastic job looking good.

[@metalshaperJeep]

Thanks Louis.

[@williamledford5680]

Do you have the hat Chanel measurements for a 75 cj5 I'm working on one and all those braces were already gone

[@homerbackwards]

Toe boards, did you put boards in it? What kind? Should I aim to seal channels or leave drain/air holes?

[@Motoseaner]

Brian in terms of where the floor pan meets the rocker panel did you spot weld that area ? I didn't see you weld that or mention this. Really appreciate the videos

[@nomex1996]

Do you have a recommendation for the best place to purchase best quality and most accurate hat channel? I need to replace my front hat channel Drivers side and Passenger side on my 1949 CJ3A.

[@453421abcdefg12345]

This is really coming along well ! Did you weld in the short tubes that support the top hat at the body bolts, or was that already there ? That was the original function of the wood inserts of course, to prevent collapse of the floor when the bolts are tightened, it just collapses with rust when the water gets in, I find the tube is far better, especially when coated with lots of primer, in UK we have a product called Waxoil, which we spray up into these cavities, that really works well at keeping the rust at bay, you only need to look how good and rust free the metal is around the engine bay to see the effect of oil vapour, the rusty wrecks in the breakers yard are still perfect in the oil soaked areas. Chris B.

[@metalshaperJeep]

The tubes came on the hat channel from the supplier. Some in the wrong place but I got them finally correct and in the right place. We use a product here called Fluid Film, it is a wool wax and creeps everywhere once you spray it. If you keep up with it you can make a jeep body and chassis last forever.

[@453421abcdefg12345]

Brian: Looking at the Fluid Film video it is the same as our Waxoyl, a Lanolin bases fluid, it is also available in black for road vehicles, where it is less obvious in use, great stuff, I wait until we have 45 C temperatures and coat the whole underside.

[@TheNoshun]

how much did this cost?

[@justtruckn]

Man you do great work!!! I need the same thing done on my 73 cj5. Do you know anyone on the left cost that does the same quality of work that you do? P.S Thanks for your videos. jt.

[@metalshaperJeep]

I don't know anybody else that does the kind of work I do, I guess that is why people ship stuff in from all over the world for me to restore.

[@retiredafce3373]

Please let us see the progress on this tub. Thank you.

[@metalshaperJeep]

I am keeping everyone up to date on this tub the best I can. Some actual working camera shots are too hard to get without someone helping me so some videos are better than others.

[@retiredafce3373]

metalshaper yes sir, I completely understand. Thanks for the reply.

[@rickdiefenderfer4583]

Hey Brian, I just started watching your videos. I am working on a 75 CJ5 and it's in rough shape and some parts are hard to get good patterns. Is there someplace to get dimensions for parts like the front and rear floor risers? Thanks

[@metalshaperJeep]

I always try to pattern from original parts no matter how bad they are . The floor riser should be the same as the earlier CJ5 and I have a pattern and sell that part. Let me know what else you are trying to make and I will check my patterns. Brian

[@ravenhhca]

Looking good.....Rub-a-Dub-Dub good man on the tub........ is the weldable primer not so weldable ?.....is that the Eastwood stuff??

[@metalshaperJeep]

Weldable primer welds a bit harder than plain steel. You have to set you heat hot enough to burn thru and keep dipping nozzle to keep it clean. Any welding problems are worth it to have protection on the inside of the parts.

[@estpst]

Looking Good!

[@metalshaperJeep]

thanks for watching and taking time to comment. appreciated.

[@oldnewfarmer3290]

Do you use flex core or gas ...What do you set your voltage and wire speed at..........

[@metalshaperJeep]

I don't ever use flux core on sheet metal body panel work. This is .023" solid wire used with 75/25 gas. I am welding this body tub together with my old HTP 140 mig welder. Voltage is just a number from one thru six and wire speed is also a number. For plug welding I am on voltage #5 and wire speed at 8.5. For welding in the floors I am on voltage #4 and wire speed is 8. Hope that helps. Brian

[@bartgoins1782]

Brian, what's the problem with flux core on body panel work? I'm assuming the flux gets between the two panels and creates a place for rust? Again, another great video. Thanks.

[@metalshaperJeep]

Flux core can be used buy I don't care to be removing flux from the welds all the time. Can also be a problem when plug welding, so I always use solid wire with gas.

[@bartgoins1782]

Thanks, I appreciate your reply.

[@greglewellen4510]

There’s guys who swear by that out fit and I’ve been in some real strong conversations arguing the fact. I’m never impressed with their parts.

[@metalshaperJeep]

Their parts will fit but they don't look anything like the original. I never understand why companies who have the tooling to make accurate parts, don't ever get it right. Best to make your own stuff if you want it to look right and function correctly.

[@philbox4566]

I know your aim is to replicate the original for authenticity but wouldn't it be better to improve on the original given the lessons learned from how the original has failed over the years. Of course then it wouldn't be brought back to original condition. Just thinking out loud that some of the rust problems could be solved with artisanal creativity given that we now have the luxury of hindsight.

[@metalshaperJeep]

This project is not going to see a hard life when it is done. Garaged and cared for. If you want to see better ways of keeping out rust and body improvements follow along on the snowblower CJ5 project where I am building a custom body that will hold up well when that jeep is out in the snow/sleet/rain. Brian

[@philbox4566]

Yep, agreed, context is everything eh.

[@KRAMPUS1933]

"Proudly Made in the USA" (By Denis Umkwimbe from Mozambique who stole the American guys job...)

[@metalshaperJeep]

I can't believe how bad the parts are from Classic and they always sign them and write made in the usa on them. I would be embarrassed to put out the parts they sell.

[@KRAMPUS1933]

Brian... YOU would be embarrassed to put your name on it, because YOU have total and very justifiable pride in your work, plus YOU care about the end user - and of course the machine and all the heritage and history that goes with it. Your entire ethos just glows with honesty. You keep the old school European principles alive and with it your American soul and the souls of our ancestors. This is way more than just an exercise in making parts. The people who make those shoddy things are mostly semi literate immigrants brought on board because of the bean counters - not the engineers. Same thing goes for companies like Snap On, who boast "Made In USA" on a lot of their stuff, but conveniently forget to tell you they are made by third world immigrants that have pushed the Americans out of work and onto the breadline. Just keep on banging out this stuff and wake people up to it. If we all show people that they are basically buying the poison that is collectively destroying us, maybe they will think twice and really research it before throwing their money at a system that is choking the life out of us and take up making and repairing rather than using and consuming...

[@landon4278]

@@metalshaperJeep have they ever improved these? It's been five years, I wonder if they ever got wind of these videos and ended up adjusting them.