Wilton 3 axis vise, smashed and repair using "Cold method" Part-2

[@brucewilliams6292]

Very nicely done. The thing with mastering PAD is that it allows more of your brain to be engaged to the problem as compared CAD where your mind is keeping up with operating the program. CAD is great for some problems. I like the reference. Also, I really appreciate learning how to use the measurement tools properly.

[@pierresgarage2687]

Going to trade school has lots of advantages, it doesn't an accomplished machinist, but, gives you great basis to build on later on... Math, trig, handling, metrology, etc are all the basis you need build your experience... And the best of it all, it's never too late to learn something new... ;) Cheers, Pierre

[@EverettsWorkshop]

That 2-part adhesive looks like good stuff - reminds me of J-B Weld, but it's probably much stronger, being a commercial-grade product. I like how you made a "mortise and tenon" type joint in it, that will be plenty strong for its purpose.

[@pierresgarage2687]

I've used this stuff for a long time on general repairs, never failed me, so far... Naturally not fixing broken car or truck tabs with this, though... The joint should really be a big deal in making a better link... Cheers, Pierre

[@ScottandTera]

Don't forget to flip the steps over and season both sides lolol.. Great video

[@pierresgarage2687]

Wasn't on the video but pepper added a nice touch... ;)

[@ScottandTera]

@@pierresgarage2687 lololol

[@KravchenkoAudioPerth]

Hello Pierre! Looking at your chips they remind me of a loudspeaker motor I made 22 years ago. It was with a silicon iron alloy used to make transformer laminations. It's available in continuous cast bar form. Exactly the same type of chip. Really easy to machine a nice surface finish. Nice for cast iron anyway. Looking forward to the next video. Thanks for taking the time to make this one. Mark

[@pierresgarage2687]

Now that the epoxy is just about cured, I'm working at it, coming along good so far, still some evolution in the process... Hope to be able to make the editing quickly aflter all that foootage... ;)

[@baccus61]

I love it.... "PAD". Paper Aided Design. Nice video.

[@meboyd7796]

I wish you an early warm spring.

[@pierresgarage2687]

Like tomorrow...???? lol

[@jeffryblackmon4846]

Nice work on the vise. I can say the same about the ice breaking. I'm ready for spring here in Ohio.

[@pierresgarage2687]

Getting older doesn't make me like Winter, there is one compromise about Winter I'd go for: Nice white snow covering looks great, so, nice white Xmass with some lite flaky snow, then, January 4th they pick up the snow for good and get rid of it until the nest Xmass... lol

[@ChrisB257]

That piece you milled showed very well its quality judging by chips - nice. Wish that was always the case. Love that height gauge - yummy :) The block turned out very nice. I wonder how the MS 907 epoxy compares with JB weld - the long curing type. Thinking of your weather up there - wonder how you are keeping shop warm enough - 62 is luxury! My shop is beyond ridiculous cold and worse to come... including snow - which I think will be around for weeks yet.

[@pierresgarage2687]

Never used JB Weld, but used this Miller Stephenson for over 40 years, always got excellent results... The shop is heated by the same system as the house, it's a geothermal system, the cost is also very reasonable... Couldn't imagine a shop unusable all Winter... ;)

[@dalegriggs5392]

Pierre, Nice work. The first thought I had when I saw the cutter and the chips was cast iron, though not as dusty so must be pretty high quality. Epoxy is really amazing stuff if you get the right product. A little research gets you where you need to be on it. I NEVER use the stuff from the retail stores. For one all that is available is quick set and that is definitely weaker. Epoxy cures by chemical process from the inside out and needs adequate time to do so. The quick set has added chemicals to speed up the process but what is gain in time is lost in the strength of the bond. Your right that it takes seven to ten days to completely cure. About ten years ago before I got a metal lathe I had a woodworking vice with an acme screw. Half of the threads in the nut had been broken out. I ordered some epoxy putty to attempt the repair. I clean the nut out very good with acetone which I think works best as there is no oil in it. I ran the screw into existing threads on the nut, coated well with white lithium grease, then just packed the putty in as tight as I could to insure a good fill around the threads and in the casing. A week later I put it in my big machinist vice hoping the grease on the threads was adequate to break it loose. It took considerable effort but it did come apart. It was pretty tight so I mixed some valve grinding paste with oil to create some relief. That vice has seen a lot of use in the last ten years and the epoxy threads are still working well with almost no wear. I didn’t know if my experiment would work at al but I didn’t have much to lose. The product I used was similar to the PC7 that can be purchased in hardware stores. I’ve used PC7 on a lot of things over the years and it works very well but for the vice I wanted a higher grade epoxy. Temperature affects curing time on epoxy as well. Cool temps slow down the process and that’s fine to a point. Too cool is not good. Looking forward to seeing the milling process and finished product.

[@pierresgarage2687]

Right about the quality of the product, I've used some PC-7 in the past, still have some in stock, but I trusted more the MS-907, though, it's finished curing and hope to be able to miil the part this week end. From what I remember this is supposed to be cast iron, feels and works like it, if it's not it's still ok but would be a second choice. The better epoxies are used in avaition and aerospace for permanent bonds, so, it should be good for this, there is provision for adding some fasteners in some aeras to help keeping everything together under stress. Surprising use for your ACME screw, also surprising results... ;)

[@dalegriggs5392]

Pierre, PC 7 has its uses but for your application the liquid or semi paste was the right call and getting the superior grade was necessary as well. It doesn’t appear there will be a lot of stress there and wonder if your mechanical fasteners are even necessary. My dad always said if one nail is good, two will be better. As a result of that influence I use up way more screws, bolts, nails and staples than are needed. Lol

[@pierresgarage2687]

Belt and suspenders...!!! lol

[@metalworksmachineshop]

The fix is looking good. We have the same ice and snow here in Ohio,

[@pierresgarage2687]

Just watching the weather reports, looks like it's sweeping all the area from where you are and going to the Maritimes, passing right over here, axious for Spring, though... Seen some news videos from the different cities like Montreal and others, some 1 or 2 feet deep water puddles they needed to clear with heavy loaders, trying to open some frozen manholes to evacuate all that water mixed with snow, all that to freeze soon and catch parked cars... Yark...!!!

[@AmateurRedneckWorkshop]

We are about to see how good epoxy can be. Did the steps taste any better after adding the seasoning?

[@pierresgarage2687]

I've used this epoxy for many years, it's very resistant over a long period of time, I'm confident that the repair will last... Doesn't change the taste but will avoid my butt from landing hard on those same stairs, could also be my head... ;)

[@howder1951]

It's missing the "poivre"! you guys can have that eastern weather, I have no problem with my minus 27( except starting the truck).

[@HotDamnHarry]

@@pierresgarage2687 -- I don't know why you abused a pry bar like that to get the ice loose, when you had a perfectly good Wilton 3-axis vise (with previous experience) available to chip away at it... :)

[@pierresgarage2687]

Here we call thar " Rubbing it in " .......!!!! lol

[@excavateboy]

My car is getting nicely seasoned here near Toronto this year

[@woodscreekworkshop9939]

It will be just as new!

[@pierresgarage2687]

Still a few details to fiddle with, just like you say, almost new in the end... ;)

[@welcometothemachineshop466]

I like your approach to the repair, looking forward to the next part. What version of PAD are you running?

[@pierresgarage2687]

It's the free trial version... So far it's going good... Worked more ont the milling part today and yesterday, so far the added part is still stuck to the vise... ;)

[@Xynudu]

Hey Pierre you want I should send you some of our hot weather ? We had it 47.7 C the other day. Now that is a tad warm. I read an article about an upcoming heatwave in New Zealand. It's going to be a whole 30 C. Apparently panic has set in. Imagine that ? LOL Poor Kiwis ;) Now where's the beer ? Cheers Rob

[@pierresgarage2687]

So you're in heat zone, in deed 45 to 50 C is an oven, got to stay out of that heat, nice cold beer is one way to live it through... Here, I'm surely missing the 30+C days from Summer... lol Hope you got air conditionning, or something to keep you cool, is it dry or humid heat...???

[@Man-in-da-shed]

That was interesting, Well explained, I admit it was a random watch, so now I’m hooked and have to watch more

[@pierresgarage2687]

Thanks for viewing and for comment, I'm presently working on the completion of this project, so far so good, the epoxy is holding on... ;)

[@zephyrold2478]

Hi Pierre, Nice job, I can see that you get to much oil in your food you sweat it out on the mill vise :-), I would use screws.

[@pierresgarage2687]

Funny oil drop, this is from the oil I add to the quill, sometimes a drop is coming on the work, this is one of those moments... lol There is a provision for screws to complete the repair, the epoxy resin will reach it's maximum strength in about 7 to 10 days, about the moment where I'll do the final milling work.

[@houseofbrokendobbsthings5537]

Great repair Pierre. Don't go cheap in the salt buddy. I own stock in Compass Minerals in Ontario. Lay it on thick. LOL. You know you are scaring the Aussies. LOL they have never seen this stuff. _Dan_

[@pierresgarage2687]

The salt is to keep my head and butt from meeting the pavement the hard way, no reason to cheap out on it, keep on investing, it's only getting worse with more rain int the Winter.... Aussies are cookikng lately they get 45 to 50 deg C in some areas, this is HOT...!!!

[@mikenewman4078]

@@pierresgarage2687 Not too bad around here Pierre. 9.15am 28 deg C and 75% humidity light drizzle. It has been bad further South. When we travelled to WA last March much of Western NSW was in severe drought and they have had no rain since. Temperature records have been broken again. What is troubling is just how many records from different years are broken on the same day in widely dispersed locations. The Darling River is drying out, millions of fish have died. Anyway, I really like the repair you are doing. The mortice and tenon joint will be nice and stable and you have left yourself options like a screw and 2 taper pins etc. Someone in the future will wonder who did this repair. Might have to engrave your logo.

[@docpedersen7582]

Like the "PAD". That Miller 907 epoxy looks identical to "Biggs A+B" that I got back in the 70s. Mixes up light gray but sets white. Really tough stuff. Used the last I had ~95 to repair an old "Burke Bomber" #3 wood golf club that shattered one day. (Head parts went farther than ball.) Found all parts but a small wedge right on club face. Used up last of my Biggs glueing head together and filling missing wedge. Believe it or not the repaired club worked better than original. Maybe a real golfer could tell difference, but I couldn't. (But then a real golfer would not be using reshafted Burke bomber clubs.)

[@pierresgarage2687]

Not heard about Biggs A+B, in the seventies, MS 907 was lite Blue and white, giving an even liter blue colored finish result, still got some little bit in an end of a tube. Wonder how good that left over produck would perform... Those Epoxies are used in the aerospace industry, guess the head of a golf clud could qualify as it may fly a hundred yards or even more.... lol Seriously those specialized adhesives are surprizingly solid when used in the proper maner... I'm zero at golf, but the REAL golfers are to me, sounding a little in the class by themselves type... lol Way different when you play just for the pleasure of being on the court with some friends... ;) One of those days, I may repair that monitor, in the mean time I found a DRO controler at a real good price to install on the surface grinder, since I already have the scales it make the repair not that urgent for now... But, one of those days..............

[@docpedersen7582]

@@pierresgarage2687 Only monitor I have that small is in use on my HP9826 desk top computer. All my 14 inch monitors are in use holding tarps down (work great!) Otherwise I have a brand new Hitachi 21 inch CRT monitor that I keep because it only has about 50 hours on it and another 21 inch that has separate BNC inputs for RGB & H,V sync that matches the RGB output of another old HP computer (both under tarp held down by 14 inch monitors).

[@pierresgarage2687]

14 ", You got huge monitors...!!! lol The one on the controller is a 12incher. The day it's time for the repair, if this happens soon enough, (LOL) it would be worht it, cause the defective one seems like a pretty unused CRT, there is no burnt screen marks like the older one has, this suggest that some possible high voltage drive for the flyback transformer just crapped out early... Difficult to probe anything in there since it needs to start first in order to feed the loop that won't go cause the first impulse isn't there and, since the first impulse isn't there, there is no reading, and so on for ever... Wonder if it there would be some LCD replacements at a reasonnable cost, some years ago I seen something in the $1000 range, NOT AN OPTION, there it's better to get a new controler.

[@bcbloc02]

We have tractors with blades for snow and ice removeal, no falling. :-) How many weeks it take that epoxy to cure at those cold temps?

[@pierresgarage2687]

The better epoxies are quite surprising, MS company makes adhesives and coatings for the aerospace industry, so, if the glue planes and rockets with their products, it should be ok for a vise that hopefully won't fly and crash land again... They say 10 days for standard cure time, garage is 62 F, but I brought the vise in the house to make sure it was gonna be warm enough at 70 F, hope to be able to do the milling job this week end.

[@barrygerbracht5077]

Having ended up staring at the sky not knowing what just happened and wondering if my shoulder was broken, I don't take ice lightly. I only use kosher salt on my driveway though :P

[@pierresgarage2687]

Got a few bad experiences with ice, I wasn't gonna break my butt or my head in those stairs, now, the latest fashion is BIO salt... ;) If it doesn't work better it surely make you feel better... lo

[@outsidescrewball]

thought I heard seagulls at the end of the video...caw caw tweet tweet......translated...TOO COLD need to fly towards the west coast USA....lol.....hmmm, enjoyed....Pierre...Pierre Bond

[@pierresgarage2687]

The birds you hear, are in my opinion, blue jays, can't put a big bet on it but i'm pretty sure since seagulls are not staying here in Winter... No deliveries from here to California before Spring, all the good stuff for me.... lol

[@RRINTHESHOP]

Glueing?? Nice work so far.

[@pierresgarage2687]

Those types of epoxy are quite surprising, there is also provision for some fasteners being inserted to complete the assembly... ;) Still got to film the last segment, epoxy will be best if allowed to cure for at least 10 days.

[@davesage9190]

I'm interested to know what microphone you're using. It looks very secure the way it goes around your ear and around behind you head. I have no end of problems as sound guy at engineering meetings with many members that can't seem to get the hang of our over the head type. Is that one a - "one size fits all" or will the mic come up short of your mouth on someone with a big head?

[@pierresgarage2687]

I like those mics, it's lite and comfy to wear for long period of time, NOT the quality of Sennheiser or AKG but for this purpose it's great, make sure you get a cardioid patern if you're in a noisy environment, if it's cardioid be sure to talk in front of it or near it, just like I'm using it, it's far enough not to catch breathing sounds, but, close anough to stay in the max pick-up zone in front of it, it's adjustable forthe length of the mic branch. Be sure you have available voltage from 4 to 10 volts it's an electret microphone, you can order a few types of plugs, AKG Sennheiser not sure about the otrhe ones, as fat as price it's about +/- $20 USD on Chinese trading sites. If it doesn't seem like it works when you get it, just check that the voltage feed for the electret is connected, I had to do it for the ones with AKG microphones plugs. You also get a little foam ball to reduce wind effect, never tried those in outside windy conditions. When someone with a hairy head wears those they don't show very much... ;) You can use omniderectionnal pattern if in studio or quiet settings. Let me know how if this is what you want to know...

[@davesage9190]

Thanks for your reply. I'll look around on Banggood. Would you have a specific link for what you bought. Mine plugs into a Sure transmitter pack. The plugs are easy enough to change. The one I have now was a replacement for the standard lapel mic (which was no good because it doesn't follow your head). It works fine electrically. But it turns out It's just not stable on various heads. Thanks

[@pierresgarage2687]

It's been a while, I think mine came from AliExpress, doesn't look like Banggood has some. A lapel mike is better if omnidirectionnal, cause like you say the sound will change if the head direction changes. I wouldn't know what plug Shure uses, I think it's mini XLR3 but not "Shure" (pun) lol Pretty certain they give you the choice by naming the brands on what it works on... This is the one I ordered for Sennheiser plug, notice that this is a cardioid voice pattern, most are omnidirectionnal....!!! www.aliexpress.com/item/iiiMymic-i-CH1-Pro-Headset-Headworn-Condenser-Microphone-For-Sennheiser-Wireless-Body-Pack-Transmitter-3-5mm/32815789374.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.6cf14c4dqZdDwF

[@davesage9190]

Ok. Thanks. I'll check into one that wears like yours.

[@dimtt2]

So does this mean that the brand of salt you used is no good for food and only good for thawing ice?

[@pierresgarage2687]

This deicing salt is not a cleaned salt like the salt you buy for filling your salt shaker, same formula, though, NaCl plus a minute amount of other stuff,for one, and NaCl plus a generous amount of shits for the other one... lol

[@stephenwagar2663]

Hey Pierre , Great Project ! From The Numbers On The Box , Can You Project The Strength Of Holding ? I Know With Wood Glue , The Holding Power Is Greater Than The Wood Itself . 27.5 Thumbs Up

[@pierresgarage2687]

Epoxy with metal isn't as solid as the wood version, but, when well installed the strength is quite impressive, with the adding of a few screws the long term stability is assured... This is only valid when using very high quality epoxy resins........ ;)

[@ChirpysTinkerings]

hey pierre, that looks like it should hold pretty well but are you not worried about those holes that go through the cast iron part in the middle coming through when you machine the arc back?

[@pierresgarage2687]

Those holes are provision to add some fasteners to help with the stresss when ising the vise in that area later, I'm confident it will be all ok, mostly by using the highest grade of epoxy... ;)

[@ChirpysTinkerings]

yea, Im talking about the holes that go through it parallel to the pocket you milled in it, at 18:35, you can see the hole clearly. I thought that the hole there wouldnt get milled away fully due to the part being at a slight angle, and when you mill back out the arc, it would leave some of that hole there, which would leave a hole there or a groove in that area where it didnt clean it up all the way.

[@robertoswalt319]

Was that penguin food you were shaking out on the ground? I’m from Texas and don’t have to deal with that cold slick stuff much. 🤥

[@pierresgarage2687]

Cold is getting more and more hard to endure with age, remember younger having much pleasure playing in the snow, now, the pleasure is quite forgotten... lol The seasoning is simply salt, it's efficient down to about minus 10 deg C, lower, it's not doing much...

[@robertoswalt319]

@@pierresgarage2687 I felt that it was either salt or some sort of chemical ice melting mixture. I just wanted to make a joke ignoring the obvious thing that you were trying to melt the ice. I understand the discomfort of dealing with extreme cold. As I get older I become aware of new body parts that start to ache with the colder temps. Be safe and try to stay warm my friend.

[@BiddieTube]

Put some small dowel pins in the repair, 1/8" should work. Use slight interference fit on both sides. Then screw it. Keep it clamped when drilling the dowel pin holes. I do not trust the glue.

[@pierresgarage2687]

Just as a second precaution, some fasteners will be used, probably set screws lightly burried under the surface, threaded all the way and sunk in epoxy thread included, this should be like the belt and suspenders safety measure... You'd be surprized at how much stress those high grade industrial quality epoxies can be subjected... ;)

[@pierresgarage2687]

I'm still debating, there isn't much depth to cap screws and flat thead screws are very large, all ot this is in a slanted ares...

[@jusb1066]

adding support pins before machining? ive learned never to rely on epoxy alone if you can pin it

[@pierresgarage2687]

Not sure if the hardware is gonna be included before or after the machining, there are different kinds of epoxy resins, application is also important for final resistance...

[@70carlton]

PAD design,.....reminds me of what I say about P.eng,...what they call professional engineer I call paper engineer,....not many of them have ever repaired or built anything in real life,....only on the computer etc,.... so I call the builders practical engineer,...

[@pierresgarage2687]

Sometimes, should I say, theory and practice don't agree on some important details... ;) Guess team work is one way to combine experience to make a better porduct... When we all want to work as a team and recognize the other members of the team as important... ;;

[@dalegriggs5392]

70carlton, I hear you on this one. When I was building industrial HVAC systems the architects were the bane of my existence. Not one of them had ever picked up anything heavier or bulkier than a drafting pencil. It would take hours trying to convince them why certain things just would not work and they had to sign off on any blueprint change. I realize not all designers and architects fall under the category of the educated idiots I had to contend with.

[@70carlton]

some people do not like being told of other ways to do a thing and behave as if they are offended etc,...I just hope someone will tell me how to do better,....I take it as a compliment if someone shares what they know with me and takes the time to tell me about it etc,....most people who really know what's going on are proud to share it but they do not share what they know because they end up insulted,.....advice is always wasted,...wise man doesn't need it and fools won't heed it! thanks Pierre for the positive attitude,...

[@dalegriggs5392]

70carlton, The architects our company worked with were intelligent and gifted people in their area of expertise, they just couldn’t see why some applications wouldn’t work. To their way of thinking if it worked on paper it should work in the application. Short of getting them on the job site and demonstrating it to them it was impossible to convince them otherwise.

[@CompEdgeX2013]

Next project an ice chipper? :)

[@pierresgarage2687]

Hope Winter leaves before there is a need for an ice breaker, PLEASE SPRING get here fast.... lol Do you get as much snow as you usually get...???

[@CompEdgeX2013]

@@pierresgarage2687 So far so good...we had a couple good ones but some milds to melt it. More tomorrow..Glad I got better snow removal gear this year..:)

[@stanwooddave9758]

From: miller-stephenson.com/product/ms-907-two-part-epoxy-adhesive/ MS-907 Two-Part Epoxy Adhesive system kit is a two-part, equal volume, room temperature curing system particularly useful for general purpose bonding. Fast setup time. Perfect for in-plant and field use. Develops bond strength to 3,000 psi. NSN 8040-00-144-9729. Perfect for in-plant and field use. Develops superior bond strength and provides adhesion to a variety of substrates. Application: Metals, Glass, Ceramics, Plastics, Wood, Rubber, Fabrics, Concrete Base: Epoxy Resin Color: Part A is blue. Part B is beige. When thoroughly mixed, the resultant color is pale gray Container Size: 3. 7 oz. Container Type: Tubes Cure Time: 24 hours at 77 F (25 C), or 2 hours at 140 F (60 C), or one hour at 180 F (82 C) Mixing Ratio: Equal parts by volume Special Features: Good adhesion to a wide variety of surfaces which have not been specially cleaned. **Proportioning of Parts A and B not critical.** Definite color change during mixing. Temperature Range: Up to 180 F (82 C) Viscosity: Approximately 120, 000 cps, thixotropic Work Life: 20 minutes at 77 F (25 C). You don't have to weight the different Part-A & Part-B, just eye-balling (equal amounts) is more than enough. Just like autobody bondo.

[@prafullarwade]

Specialist in pad 😂😂😂 great stuff though...

[@pierresgarage2687]

Yaaahhhhh...!!! I'm not so much a fan of sitting hours at a time to argue with a stupid computer, so, PAD it is....!!!!! 🌈😎👍🍺

[@robrobinson6706]

PAD.... I about fell off my chair. and you know I will steal it for my own use.

[@pierresgarage2687]

Be my guest to use it whenever you feel appropriate, sure someone else did even before me... lol A very usefull tool among seniors, can even use it in the pooh office.... To take notes, what were you gonna imagine...??? ;)

[@robrobinson6706]

@@pierresgarage2687 you crack me up man . love your humor. and your channel. keep it coming.

[@dudleycornman1624]

You could sideline as a dentist and fit crowns... :)

[@pierresgarage2687]

The vise never complained during the treatment and even when i presented the invoice... lol