WIN MORE by COMPETING LESS in Civ 6!

[@TheFoxClaws]

5:39 Watching this after the cheating video is like going back to an earlier episode and seeing the villain hanging out in the background

[@너무멍청한사람]

^this

[@ParasocialCatgirl]

I was laughing my ass off ngl

[@d15c0rd7]

"Victorious players win first and then play the game, while defeated players play the game first and then seek to win." -Herson, The Art of Meta

[@bigbackman3609]

it makes sense tbh

[@Chaddyp100]

I love how Andrew has the skill and experience in CIv to know to move on to that 22 jungle with the coffee beside it. so much skill

[@genericusername_v69]

He has been banned! The king is dead!

[@musictomyshears]

Has it been public knowledge that he's a cheater for a while? You posted your comment before the investigation was started according to Herson's vid (and my only knowledge is from that)

[@Chaddyp100]

@@musictomyshears 🤐

[@Grimmmmy-boy]

@musictomyshears herson himself said in his video it’s been a rumor/meme about Andrew for a good while, the investigation only started a few weeks ago though.

[@jagorjurekovic1697]

casually mentioning you were challenger in league of legends, bro what is your secret

[@matsiv5707]

I don't doubt that considering the hand eye coordination and information processing speed required to play well with a timer even in civ6

[@spcsandbag6517]

He was a flex q challenger still high but not the same prestige as solo q challenger.

[@FlyingThunder]

best to keep it secret i dont want to play league

[@larfee5191]

​@@spcsandbag6517 He was flex top 1 NA and still played ranked with diamonds, that's flex queue for you

[@HersonCiv]

I hit challenger in Solo Queue in multiple seasons, even if I never actually ended a season in challenger. The first time I reached challenger in Solo Queue was abusing the Katarina rework in 2017, and I would go on to hit challenger in solo queue at least once in seasons 8, 9, 10, and 11 as well. I definitely spent far more time bouncing between masters and grandmaster, though.

[@bobphilishen]

I would like to say, your long 4 hour videos are nice because I get to see how you actually play. But, I enjoy your shorter videos like this one a lot more because of the way you explain the intricacies of the game in the form of a lesson. I'm trying to get better at the game and your videos really help cheers m8

[@minmax38]

This is insanely helpful for someone playing TFT before -- scouting and early pivoting to avoid getting 2, 3-way contested for a fast 8 tempo or reroll comp is so important for high elo in TFT and I can see how it could translate to civ6 too

[@matsiv5707]

it translates to a lot of FFA games. There's a concept of a negative sum game where by competing two players irrel themselves in so many games

[@josephdouglas5242]

You can sometimes get salty at things, but now that I know you come from LoL, I know you're actually a saint.

[@JamminTrev]

Herson pushing a player with more science and Higher Elo then him by having Fascism several turns earlier than the other player on f**king Elizabeth is a true God-Gamer moment.

[@berrymanalow]

I was wondering how herson managed to perfect the tone of voice that indicates your soul is dead and you are truly empty inside... Then I found out he played cometitive league. Mystery solved.

[@crescent_asuna]

I had the exact same thought process. 😂

[@BredouilleduCloudeNefle]

A TF2 phase *and* a League phase? He's literally me!

[@kandaimai9944]

He's literally me too!(except for the rank)

[@manuelvo1798]

me2 even though i only reached plat in LoL (before emerald was there) and dia1 in tft while corona was on its peak

[@tamalexpert9212]

Not really phases because we all go back from time to time. I have been playing TF2 lately since there is no more bots.

[@manuelvo1798]

@@tamalexpert9212 Bug didnt he say TFT and not TF2?

[@lunasap]

​@@manuelvo1798i'm a bit late but he said both

[@eBilVastard1]

its very interesting that you transitioned from a shooter to a moba to a strategy game, ive been intimidated by multiplayer civ but i used to play CS at a very high level

[@mcnamwhe681]

Didn't know Cities: Skylines had a competitive multiplayer scene.

[@loopuleasa]

that was a brilliant gameplan executed just well enough it's all about planning for the CURRENT game auto-battler games like teamfight tactics, dota auto chess and hearthstone battlegrounds teach you this concept of "avoid competition" REALLY well I played all 3 and always secured wins by simply avoiding competition and establishing monopolies

[@SadL1337]

Industrial era ends in 2 turns.. meanwhile Herson is reaching the stars 😂😂😂

[@matsiv5707]

eras are tuned around sloppy gameplay. a typical victory timer for peak efficiency is turn 100-110.

[@antoniolum1506]

@@matsiv5707 Did the T103 ver.BBG-6.0 appease you then? Still hilarious to imagine someone akin to Elon* manage to 'send it' just before the end of the industrial revolution.

[@matsiv5707]

@@antoniolum1506 I would really love to know if a sub 100 is still possible in the new patch in a competitive ranked game. Technically science costs 15% more but at some point you are more limited by the ability to break the 1 tech per turn wall and as soon as you start the space race you're gated by production.

[@matsiv5707]

@@antoniolum1506 the eras are even badly tuned for vanilla is what I mean. Especially the Era gate, which is supposed to mitigate snowballing, isn't nearly enough. I think it's the most jarring element and one they want to fix with capped progression in civ6 I see people complaining how the era progression is too fast, but I think the pace is allright, it's just weird you win two-three eras ahead if you play optimally and that's with eras almost always ending at the lower bound due to people beelining

[@sanzyboy3952]

This concept also works in evolution too, that's why there are so many diverse kinds of species in the wild because many species are specialists instead of competing they gain resources through a variety of different ways that allow them to survive and reproduce better than species that are competing for the same resources.

[@nuparuchi]

There's a concept in magic the gathering drafting that I imagine is the same as this and what you mentioned in tft. Basically it's very important that you "find your lane", usually meaning picking cards that are in a color (although it could even be a strategy within colors) that isn't congested by other players. It can be tempting to try and fight over the powerful colors or strategies, but ultimately it only makes the players who fight over those strategies weaker, so you want to try to distinguish yourself from the other drafters (or players in the case of civ) as much as possible

[@matsiv5707]

One thing about fighting for city states that is massive is that if you have antananarivo or kumasi in an already culture heavy civ, it's incredibly hard to contest because you can match all the envoys unless vs stuff like papal georgia

[@tobiasklingel9802]

5:39 Wait he is moving his settler in a direction that he hasn't discovered yet? And runs int othe perfect spot? that is werid...

[@froyocrew]

He's since been permabanned for cheating

[@693iq8]

I really enjoyed this video. I think you should make summaries/ highlights of your longer VODs.

[@nickthatonenerd7690]

Herson playing Highlander was the most wild curveball that’s been thrown at me ever

[@zertyuz]

Great video you've really made me want to play multiplayer despite not really finding Civ 6 single player that fun

[@sodamanjoey]

It's crazy that you mentioned you played comp tf2, because that's probably my main game before Civ and I always thought you had this similar vibe of all the tf2 players I know in all these discord pugs and discords, which is also similar to how people play comp civ that's crazy

[@sodamanjoey]

these 2 games are so unrelated except for that fact that there is a small niche community for competitive where you can easily size up, I think that has it's own appeal

[@Timby_]

Cursed Kog’maw jungle content when?!

[@valentinsolotych301]

Thanks for all your great content! Here is another video idea if you ever run out. A video that explains all the game setting, mods in competitive Multiplayer. And also how tips to avoid disconnects and game crashes.

[@yodawolfe6870]

Very good vid bro keep up the good work!

[@NitroOfficiel]

Hey Herson just wanted to say that I really like your short recap video and I don't really have time to watch the full vod when it comes out because of work and stuff. You were dropping these so I just giving my thought about it. Hope it make you want to do more of those if you can.

[@yetitobediscovered]

This is such a banger video

[@benismann]

Oh i rememeber coming up with that in civ5. While my friend used to always beat me to good wonders, like idk, the garden, or gate, i, at some point, came up with straight up not going for them and instead taking everything else. That allowed me to stay somewhat competitive while being kinda shittier player now when im looking back at it

[@Maxel53]

Woah I had no idea you were chally in League, props to you man.

[@loopuleasa]

herson here metagaming the metagame

[@paulbrown1525]

I noticed that Abraham Lincoln was in this game and I believe he is also an industrial zone spammer. Is there a reason that you didn't mention about contesting him for the engineers? Great video by the way

[@HersonCiv]

Lincoln was busy fighting an irrel war with Gorgo I think, so he never really would've been able to spare the time to actually run industrial zone projects. Eventually, Russia ended up cleaning up both America and Greece.

[@paulbrown1525]

@@HersonCiv Make sense thanks. Had they not been irrel warring, do you think you’d have changed strategy at all?

[@mdgraller]

@@paulbrown1525 I think it's pretty obvious the answer in short is "yes." It's kind of the point of this video: pivot out of the way of the contested strategies. Maybe Herson can answer differently or more specifically about *what* he would do, but the takeaway is to be adaptable to each game, identify the friction points between the most players, and avoid those friction points as much as possible

[@Katakon674]

Im not ready for that lore dropped 😮

[@gotMylky]

Fantastic video

[@mammaletto]

I get the point, but a) it's not unusual to pick naval on pangaea, it's fine actually - so usually you have 2-3 navals and you're not uncontested; and b) you can't just manifest an S-tier naval CS

[@ALittleMessi]

He also got kind of lucky that either nobody decided to ruin his day as they all seemed fairly peaceful. He also needed to directly compete for Da Vinci which ended up winning him the game in the long run

[@guren0x]

I'm new to Civ 6 so Elizabeth's "Drake's Legacy" caught me off guard

[@grahamturner2640]

It’s a reference to Francis Drike, a known privateer (government-sponsored pirate) during Elizabeth’s reign.

[@jampine8268]

​@@grahamturner2640 Also Francis Drake is the guy Nathan Drake claims to be a descendant of.

[@noodleesnorter]

I wondered why your pfp was Taliyah holding an ‘I eat ass’ mug. I guess now I know 🤷‍♂️

[@tomj0771]

i have a question is your advice from the vid multipayer civ 101 true even if i play the no dlc games without the BBG cus my friends dont have the DLC´s

[@elpabloblanco]

meanwhile I'm struggling on prince difficulty 😭 its fun tho and I never played any other strategy games like this ever, I hope civ 7 is gonna be this fun too

[@BurniOwnz]

Sorry, but what were Andrew's 'usual antics' supposed to be in that clip? Forward settling?

[@albertsign8575]

Godspawning

[@LKenjiF]

He was basically throwing shade at Andrew for moving to settle on turn 2. Andrew could have settled in place for a 3/1, but chose to move for a 2/2 on the jungle/hill.

[@BurniOwnz]

@@LKenjiF That wasn't his starting settler. His first city was already settled in the south.

[@darn1285]

Watch Herson's newest video. Andrew was cheating so he knows the best places to settle.

[@airbound1779]

This was good!

[@haleyk10198]

Host rule: Monkey draft

[@expiredyams]

You know so much about this game its so impressive. You just need to figure out a way to include storytelling in more of your videos and you would be an instant hit. Although, I personally like your current style of videos.

[@Daethern]

why is the iteru ability different on Cleo-p and Ramses? 4:59

[@HersonCiv]

Ramses' ability is from a screenshot I took recently and Cleopatra's ability is from a very old screenshot that I probably should've updated. In BBG 6.0, 20% is the correct number for Egypt's production bonus on districts and wonders placed along rivers.

[@matsiv5707]

The highlight of this game was Andrew and another dude yapping from start to end

[@theeggman3517]

herson tf2 content is peak

[@cuneytsevi3502]

Does Nan Madol still provide culture to wonders on/adjacent to coast in BBG like base game?

[@esquithearchi]

do you also use BBS? and BBM?

[@DaRealKakarroto]

What you should compete about, however, is being the main conductor of the hype train, when it comes around in Herson's twitch stream 🤑

[@mellowmike6263]

Yo Herson is an extf2 pro, kino taste. I'm sure you meant 6v6 and not highlander though right

[@HersonCiv]

I was an amateur competitive TF2 player, I'm not sure I'd ever say I was a "pro". I did actually play some 6v6 as soldier, in addition to playing Highlander. For a while, I was basically addicted to Soldier MGE, and I'm pretty sure I racked up hundreds of hours just MGEing with random players on public servers

[@bigbootymuncher226b9]

whats the mod to see total production at the top left

[@msl4797]

Bro really is the ultimate gaymer

[@Walpurgisnackt]

I've started playing the game again after discovering your vids. The balance mod is really interesting. But I'm still trash at the game and easily frustrated by not exploiting my civ bonuses enough. I don't know if I'll ever work up the nerve to poke around that pvp discord you play on.

[@85Funkadelic]

I want to get into this multiplayer but Im sure Id be terrible at it coming from low difficulty marathon speed solo games.

[@fluidityyy]

IS THAT A NEW YORKER MIA TAYLOR CITY I SEE

[@hystatic]

Really surprised you don't use the o hot key when you want to grab many great people at once.

[@PenguinJack]

TF2 Mentioned!

[@Quezell]

Is comp civ6 actually still in its infancy you think? I got the feeling that the community agreed upon linear approach to the early-mid game felt as such (even if there is a compelling argument for focusing on lower risk economic openers) due to prior experience also being good at games and how it ALWAYS feels like people think something is straightforward and solved even when the inevitably demonstrated reality is just a lack of proper format exploration but I've been getting the impression that comp civ6 has been around for a while now? is the game just complex enough and match time long enough that discovering and getting practice executing different strategies is slower than normal? or is there something else there maybe?

[@battlebots1]

Yeah like you said I think the reasoning is the number of matches are just so low that mathematically it's improbable that the meta is very advanced.

[@codetime01]

The difference is bbg balance updates. People at some point figured out a very strong style of play, and try to merge the balance changes of each patch with that style. This sometimes leaves certain builds undiscovered for quite a while. For example, going free inq on commercial civs wasn't "discovered" and meta till around 2 patches after it was viable as players still spammed pb&v according to the old meta. Pb&v is still really strong, but now it's more of a 50/50.

[@Quezell]

@@codetime01 Sounds exactly like what my guess was IE that metas are simply underexplored and innovation takes a back seat to comfortably good styles. League suffers the exact same issue magnified many times over ESPECIALLY in the pro scene (league pro scene is basically a joke all things considered)

[@sirpale]

bro got suz of 5 cs

[@YuraNebov]

Where is ap Kog jungle video?

[@dbkpop]

I'm sure its been mentioned before, but what is the setting that allows you to see your score, combat strength, science, etc below each player portrait?

[@cujla_b_npabge5504]

Interface settings ,"show players performance "

[@Sam-kh5pb]

filthy ap kog player unbelievable

[@battlebots1]

Very cool

[@niemand203]

@Herson The Engineer Brunelleschi has an italien name and its pronounciation would therefore be Brunelleski with a hard k. Heard your mispronounce it twice now and I cringe everytime. Love you though, great video!

[@DeadDrunk2]

Algorithm go bum bum bum!

[@Harrison_IRL]

So competitive try irl sports too

[@alvinwestmanholm1858]

Woah, it's Herson!

[@jebsho]

Idk what you mean. The meta is to become French

[@lichh4054]

I have a question i find myself confused on in the mid-late game. Should I take more value in base yield tiles or spamming districts in every city. After i get down my main districts for my win condition do i go out of my way to keep placing more districs? Or do i keep tiles open for their base yeilds?

[@ezzeki1999]

For eurakes you should put down some more But it depends on your end game position and goal Make sure that you have 2 good IZ to boost city yields and a zoo so your cities are more efficient

[@lichh4054]

@@ezzeki1999 I guess that's where I was getting at. I tend to spam down industrial zones in as many cities as possible after getting my win condition districts.

[@x1x1x1x2]

​@@lichh4054normally you wanna build 5-6 IZs in your cities with the best production. You can go more if you have lots of good IZ spots(dams, strategics) but usually 5-6 will do. Those cities will also be your spaceport cities.

[@ezzeki1999]

@@lichh4054 also pewp can help what to do Pre builds for late game wars Eurekas gold, production - > science, culture Wonders Projects Also planning how to get golden Is quite important

[@paradoxdriver4094]

@@lichh4054 A good rule of thumb is to consider that *every* city needs to be tagged by districts that have regional zone effects, aka learning where to place your cities and districts so that every one can be tagged by your IZs and things like Colosseum if you were lucky enough to nab it. After that, consider your civ and what great people effects you've nabbed. Placing down IZs in every city is only good if you have a reason to do so - for example, you're playing Gaul or you're planning on being able to get GPs like Leonardo or you have Suzerain status of a strong CS. Figure out where you're going to be able to get the best adjacency IZs that will tag the most cities and then build your other districts that you need for boosts in the cities that aren't building your IZs. Building a +2 IZ on a hill tile that is going to be able to provide you 1 food 4 production isn't worth it on its own, especially since other cities power plants will be able to provide the power you need for your other cities to function. Your civ needs a general balance of districts (you can't fall too behind in science or culture or you'll get rolled over, you can't afford not to get encampments bc you need their boosts, you can't afford not to get either CHs or Harbors bc you need traders, etc), but you don't need to go "all in" on any districts that aren't actively pushing your victory condition *unless* you've got a reason to (like in this game, Herson nabbing Leonardo, which gave him the culture he needed to get to Fascism faster and rush another player contesting first place).

[@MaksNapieralski]

Is this just not abusing game mechanics because of bbg if bbg is balanced that means from just anlytics you can win a game by recognising the predictability of the game you just big brain a whole lobby everytime

[@sld1776]

In that game Peter wasn't banned. How is that balanced.

[@matthewsterling4071]

Why did you leave league? The player base is much bigger.

[@amazingkool]

The answer lies within the question. Edit: My original point was simply "League" but also consider the point of this video specifically. Why compete in an oversaturated market when there's niche unexplored territory ripe for the taking?

[@Gatzberry]

Hearing that you’re a TF2 player and league player makes all of your talk of Meta make a lot more sense. Have you ever considered playing Magic the Gathering?

[@azurite2926]

challenger at league and Tft.. I wish lmao

[@chaiyatatchawaldit6045]

Leonardo and nan madol carrying his fascism push

[@romulusnuma116]

The only way to win is to not play

[@anthonytyrell6785]

i didnt know you also play lol

[@karmotrine_addict]

throw another rock

[@mertle7114]

anyone else straight jorking it rn?

[@lichh4054]

Just finished cranking the hog and now watching herson....what a night

[@cat_soup]

Zero views Herson fell off so sad