Winchester Lever Action Development: Model 1895

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We have reached the final iteration of the Winchester lever action rifle development story today, the Model 1895. This was another John Browning design, although the locking system is basically the same as the 1894 but with the bolt extending over the top of the locking block and hiding it from sight.
The new feature of the Model 1895 was the replacement of the traditional tube magazine with a single stack box magazine located under the action. By this time, spitzer (pointed) bullets were becoming commonplace, to exploit the new high velocities made possible by the new smokeless powders. In a tubular magazine, these pointed bullets would rest on the primer of the next cartridge in the magazine, and ran the risk of causing rounds to detonate in the magazine tube under recoil. The box magazine, of course, negated this danger completely.
The Model 1895 was built around the .30-40 military cartridge, although was initially released in two black powder chamberings. It would eventually be offered in a wide variety of chamberings, including .30-03, .30-06, .303 British, and the .405 Winchester - Theodore Roosevelt's "Big Medicine". In addition, more than half of the total production (nearly 300,000 rifles) would be for the Russian military, with the rifles chambered for 7.62x54R and fitted with stripper clip guides.
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@ganymedeaerospace4580
@ganymedeaerospace4580 7 жыл бұрын
This, a magazine-fed lever-action rifle, is the mathematical inverse to the Marlin Model 60, a semi-auto fed from a tube magazine.
@rubiconnn
@rubiconnn Жыл бұрын
Tube magazines>box magazines
@issintf925
@issintf925 Жыл бұрын
Or even a nylon 66 much later
@heavilyarmedhippie75
@heavilyarmedhippie75 Жыл бұрын
@@rubiconnn they both have their place
@East_Coast_Toasty_Boy
@East_Coast_Toasty_Boy Жыл бұрын
Didn't even know that existed.
@datkhornedog899
@datkhornedog899 Жыл бұрын
​@@heavilyarmedhippie75 Like shotguns to rifles, basically.
@ristoalanko9281
@ristoalanko9281 7 жыл бұрын
The "Russian Winchesters" have been popular hunting rifles here in Finland. Unfortunately, many have been sporterized and changed to 8,2x54R or 9.3x54R wildcats because of the old moose hunting laws. After WW I most were sold as surplus, the Finnish Army concentrated on Mosins, they discarded the 1895 with same reasons as US Army.
@stefanmolnapor910
@stefanmolnapor910 3 жыл бұрын
What did the old moose hunting laws prohibit? Thank you
@ristoalanko9281
@ristoalanko9281 3 жыл бұрын
@@stefanmolnapor910 The minimum caliber was 8 mm, to prevent using "military rifles and ammo", i.e to prevent Civil Guard members hunting with their issue rifles.
@stefanmolnapor910
@stefanmolnapor910 3 жыл бұрын
@@ristoalanko9281 Thank you! Interesting!
@runninggames771
@runninggames771 Жыл бұрын
@@ristoalanko9281 god damn thats so lame. Wish they wouldn’t make stupid laws like that
@asdasd-ty9se
@asdasd-ty9se Жыл бұрын
@@ristoalanko9281 why would that be a bad thing, just charge them for the damage to the rifle and a little more for the labor to replace whatever broke
@danieltubbs5422
@danieltubbs5422 7 жыл бұрын
Browning was a genius, there is no other way to describe him.
@taomasterwaka6287
@taomasterwaka6287 4 жыл бұрын
mormon
@kylebradley3
@kylebradley3 4 жыл бұрын
Smarty shooty man
@danieltubbs5422
@danieltubbs5422 4 жыл бұрын
Kyle Bradley you got me there
@Nyx_2142
@Nyx_2142 4 жыл бұрын
@@taomasterwaka6287 One of the few bad marks on his character.
@daviddavis584
@daviddavis584 4 жыл бұрын
You are wrong, any positive agative will work.
@glenbutler7901
@glenbutler7901 7 жыл бұрын
"It is a far better combat rifle than a mosin nagant rifle" Them fightin' words Ian.
@Kellanium
@Kellanium 5 жыл бұрын
I love mosins, but a lever-action is always gonna outstrip a bolt in terms of speed and flexibility
@GuntalsCloaca
@GuntalsCloaca 5 жыл бұрын
They hated Gun Jesus because He told them the truth.
@adamgardner4722
@adamgardner4722 5 жыл бұрын
You don't need to beat it with a stick to cycle the action ,win for Winchester . End of
@docp6325
@docp6325 4 жыл бұрын
@@GuntalsCloaca Some things just never change, haha.
@montycrain5783
@montycrain5783 4 жыл бұрын
Never heard of a a Scoped 95 Sniper Rifle like a Mosin.
@eyygurke6081
@eyygurke6081 Жыл бұрын
The rifle arrived today and I dialed in the scope just a couple hours ago kzbin.infoUgkxQt2uORDRfFOVSrO4idv4B90ThT6EOnEL . I haven’t shot with a scope in probably 25 years. The X on the left was my target. (the shot almost in the bullseye on the right X was my father in laws first shot after I made adjustments) The two shots circled are my first 2 shots. Then I brought it down - shot once. Then brought it over to the left. From there zeroed it in to dead center. This all was from 25 yards out. Follow instructions carefully when mounting the scope. So far I'm very happy with the purchase.
@Chevypotamus
@Chevypotamus 7 жыл бұрын
Cool gun. I would love to have one of these in 7.62x54r
@thegoldencaulk2742
@thegoldencaulk2742 7 жыл бұрын
I had one briefly before selling it to Othais and C&Rsenal. Was a really cool gun, super complicated disassembly, but fun to shoot especially with those stripper clips to help loading. It unfortunately had a lot of problems, so I sold it to them and now Mark is fixing it.
@BNRmatt
@BNRmatt 7 жыл бұрын
TheGoldenCaulk Good man, C&Rsenal is awesome.
@Snowman1510ify
@Snowman1510ify 7 жыл бұрын
TheGoldenCaulk spoiler alert dude!
@maverickpaladin4155
@maverickpaladin4155 7 жыл бұрын
Considering current prices on Russian contract 1895s, I'd be surprised to see them brought in. It'd be something akin to revoking thd Hughes Amendment.
@scottishconfederate
@scottishconfederate 7 жыл бұрын
The Russians don't likely have those any more. They sent most of them to Spain, the rest were likely destroyed.
@stevendeatley4878
@stevendeatley4878 6 жыл бұрын
last year one day a young man came to see me about buying his Grand Fathers old model 1895 Winchester .He told me his Grandpa had gave him the rifle and he was asking 300 dollars for it.I asked him how he thought his folks would feel about ,him selling it,I diddn't buy the rifle ,and I hope I talked him out of selling the Old gun,I am sure his Dad would give him 300 dollars if he needed it that bad and just keep the rifle.
@shawngilliland243
@shawngilliland243 5 жыл бұрын
@Steven DeAtley - You did a good thing in that.
@wirelessone2986
@wirelessone2986 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@bdrakePBDA
@bdrakePBDA 5 жыл бұрын
Good on you, sir! I inherited my grandfather's Model 1895 .30-06 forty years ago, and it has been my faithful companion and treasured heirloom ever since.
@ethanspaziani5269
@ethanspaziani5269 3 жыл бұрын
My uncle and or other relatives took all or most of his weapons for himself unfortunately for me
@LoremasterYnTaris
@LoremasterYnTaris 3 жыл бұрын
You're a better man than me, I would've taken that in a heartbeat. I've been wanting one of these for years.
@ZGryphon
@ZGryphon 7 жыл бұрын
As always, I love the wild optimism of the adjustable sight. 900 yards! Sure. No problem. I'll get right on that. :)
@kenmichener8439
@kenmichener8439 6 жыл бұрын
ZGryphon yeah those are pretty much for when the whole Battalion or regiment is going to fire at an area Target nobody's trying to pick anybody off with iron sights at a thousand yards it's more like we are all going to shoot at that formation of infantry over there ready aim Fire. reload!!!
@A-G-F-
@A-G-F- 5 жыл бұрын
Or the modern rifles, like AK pattern weapons, they go up to 500 meters, at that distance you cant even tell if that is someone or a rock
@ericzaiz8358
@ericzaiz8358 5 жыл бұрын
HOw about the 600 meters of the modern M4 with irons. You can't even see the guy around the front sight post...
@MAC702firearms
@MAC702firearms 4 жыл бұрын
Hmm, we routinely shoot these old rifles on 4' diameter targets at 900 - 1100 yards. Some guys and rifles routinely get 5/10 hits, on average. Even the lower tiers of guy/gun combo will almost always get a hit or two with a good spotter helping him make corrections. The guns can do this. But, yes, the 1400-2200 on some guns is optimistic morale-building indirect fire.
@8Maduce50
@8Maduce50 4 жыл бұрын
@@kenmichener8439 during ww1 us marines got a reputation of picking off germans with the 1903 springfield at a 1000yard. Pershing was even quoted saying the "deadliest weapon on earth is a U.S marine and his rifle."
@Hibernicus1968
@Hibernicus1968 7 жыл бұрын
That was an interesting aside about Browning's semi-auto shotgun that Winchester turned down. Browning also offered it to Remington for sales in the US (FN sold them in Europe). It sold so well that whoever made that decision at Winchester HAD to have ended up kicking himself for letting it get away. The gun Winchester came up with to try to compete, the Model 1911 shotgun, was not a good design, and has the nickname "the widowmaker." Winchester had to design around Browning's patents, and one of those patents was for a charging handle on the bolt. So Winchester checkered a space on the barrel, and (pointing the gun in a safe direction), you grabbed the barrel and pulled it back to charge the gun. Problems came when shooters had a stuck case (more common in the days of paper shotgun shells that would swell up), and place the butt on the ground and try to force the barrel downward, and inadvertently shoot themselves in the face. I read about one of these old guns claiming a victim this way just five or ten years ago. I have a Winchester Model 1911 that used to belong to my grandfather. but the stock and handguard are split, so I've never shot it. Split stocks are quite common with these, as the two fiber washers used as friction rings wear out and fail pretty quickly, and when they go, recoil becomes truly fierce, and often splits the stock -- yet another reason these guns lagged far behind the Auto 5 in sales.
@Hibernicus1968
@Hibernicus1968 7 жыл бұрын
No One Important, yes, they didn't pass on the design, they passed on Browning's revised terms for selling them the design. But as I said, they simply had to have regretted that decision after the Auto 5 became such a huge success for Remington and FN. They would have done better to agree to Browning's terms. As it was, they lost a huge segment of the market to a rival company.
@ZGryphon
@ZGryphon 7 жыл бұрын
I would guess the gentleman in charge of Remington at the time wouldn't have regarded his own sudden death as all that fortunate.
@ZGryphon
@ZGryphon 7 жыл бұрын
+No One Important It's not a question of my wanting to admit anything; the sudden disarray at the top of Remington was obviously the cause of Browning's trip to shop his long recoil patents in Europe. I just think it's generally a bit tacky to regard a man's untimely death as "fortunate".
@ZGryphon
@ZGryphon 7 жыл бұрын
"Try to get over your self-righteousness" may be the most self-righteous thing a person can say to another. You realize this. :)
@ZGryphon
@ZGryphon 7 жыл бұрын
Ah, the Internet.
@Arthurzeiro
@Arthurzeiro 7 жыл бұрын
Daaaamn John Browning, back at it again with the fresh designs.
@Maverick-zi8tu
@Maverick-zi8tu 3 жыл бұрын
Legend has it among my people he’s still coming up with designs to this day.
@alexsoklakov7454
@alexsoklakov7454 2 жыл бұрын
95th Winchesters are surprisingly common in old Soviet films about Siberia. Maybe there really were a lot of them, or maybe they were specially collected for filming because of their western look.
@dancroyle1453
@dancroyle1453 5 жыл бұрын
First and foremost . This is a great site. But.... How about the mod 88. I believe it was the last new lever action for Winchester. Very quick to the shoulder, reasonable accuracy and detachable mag. A 308 goes to the woods with me every season and does it's part. Thanks and keep your great channel ,reviews coming
@CynicalHistorian
@CynicalHistorian 7 жыл бұрын
I've read before that Teddy Roosevelt bought a bunch of these to arm the rough riders with during the Spanish War. Dunno if that's true
@RedXlV
@RedXlV 7 жыл бұрын
He bought them for himself and the rest of the officers of the Rough Riders, while the enlisted men used standard Krags.
@PSquared-oo7vq
@PSquared-oo7vq 7 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed your series on the lever actions, from the Henry to this one. I learned a lot from watching them. Thanks!
@wheresmyirishwhiskeytullam4326
@wheresmyirishwhiskeytullam4326 7 жыл бұрын
Out fishing and I get a Forgotten Weapons notification. Do I fish or watch the video? I watched the video :D
@SgtKOnyx
@SgtKOnyx 7 жыл бұрын
Where's my Irish whiskey? Tullamore. Why not both?
@timharper3390
@timharper3390 5 жыл бұрын
If your fishing is like my fishing, both simultaneously is easily doable! Just difficult to juggle my rod, my beer, and my phone.
@sniperdoug1969
@sniperdoug1969 5 жыл бұрын
If your in my area. You will have to wait till you get home. Our cell phone reception sucks on voice. Or cell phone reception out here sucks no matter whether it’s AT&T, Verizon, cricket, mom and pop shop. You’re lucky if you can make a voice call on a clear day.
@allenjenkins7947
@allenjenkins7947 4 жыл бұрын
Are they biting?
@fdmackey3666
@fdmackey3666 7 жыл бұрын
As much as I admire John M. Browning's earlier designs I have always felt that the 1895 Winchester was the sleekest. Maybe, if I'm very, very lucky, I'll find one and add it to my little collection of lever action hunting rifles. I do have a couple of questions that arise from conflicting historical references to the 1895. One: Did Winchester ever actually get paid for the many 1895s shipped to Russia? Or did they get "stiffed" like Smith & Wesson did? and Two: since we know that many 1895s were shipped to Russia where are they now? I feel certain that many were damaged or destroyed in combat like many other types of firearms were but surely SOME survived WWI and the Russian Revolution. Every time I've seen any reference to the 1895 and Russia, much like similar references to the numerous S&W revolvers that were shipped to Russia, there is always a footnote of sorts that infers that the rifles and/or handguns simply vanished so to speak. I'm sure I'm not the only one out here that would like to know what happened to the Winchesters and S&Ws that were shipped/sold to Russia. Any clues or ideas about the subject?
@turkeyhamman4111
@turkeyhamman4111 4 жыл бұрын
I think winchester still makes reproductions, not russian contract style though
@LoremasterYnTaris
@LoremasterYnTaris 3 жыл бұрын
@@turkeyhamman4111 They do, and they're actually selling them on their website right now. You can also find a handful of the Russian Contract ones out there, but they mostly got sent to the Republican side during the Spanish Civil War, where they largely got destroyed by the Nationalists after the war. Or at least that's what I've heard.
@turkeyhamman4111
@turkeyhamman4111 3 жыл бұрын
@@LoremasterYnTaris last time i checked there wasnt. BLR or 1895?
@LoremasterYnTaris
@LoremasterYnTaris 3 жыл бұрын
I was actually on their website an hour ago, and they were selling 1895s for $1,600. It would honestly be so tempting to get one if not for the tang safety.
@turkeyhamman4111
@turkeyhamman4111 3 жыл бұрын
@@LoremasterYnTaris its gone wym
@kunicross
@kunicross 7 жыл бұрын
Seeing the loading procedure I can understand why the Russians wanted stripper clips - seems loading is much more complicated and slower then kings gate or even the original Henry. (now you really have to bring a 2 gun : Mosin Nagant against 1895 Winchester)
@TaurusSI
@TaurusSI 7 жыл бұрын
Well, someone has to use the Winchester.
@kunicross
@kunicross 7 жыл бұрын
TheRealColBosch that was TFB TV Ian hates the G3&Co an Carl used to hate the Gali.... I think combat practically is more on the Mosin side if you use a 1895 without stripper clips - for a hunting rifle that's no issue but the 1895 looks like it's better just for 5 shots and then you can start single feeding. (we could throw in a Nagant revolver and a 1911)
@kunicross
@kunicross 7 жыл бұрын
Pekka Rastas they where in dire need for arms and it would propably have been easier and cheaper to issue them without clips - I guess the munitions did not come from the factory with the clips - even the Swiss did reuse their really clearly single use clips after all.
@garyg.2414
@garyg.2414 4 жыл бұрын
Ian, I noticed you said this is the last lever action for Winchester. What about the Model 88, brought out in 1955? I have one in .308 and it's a beautiful example of Winchester manufacturing. Thanks for all your great videos, from a confirmed "gun nut" .
@Spiz103
@Spiz103 7 жыл бұрын
Slightly off topic but appropriate for the series - did anyone else ever attempt the Lebel solution to the spitzer-in-a-tube magazine problem [a guard ring around the primer]?
@yangcheng-jyun8542
@yangcheng-jyun8542 7 жыл бұрын
Because box magazine is so much superior than tube magazine,no military bothers to keep tube magazine on their rifle.
@AussieFanXCIV
@AussieFanXCIV 7 жыл бұрын
I'd doubt it, the Lebel with it's tube magazine always just seems to have been a stopgap measure, used out of convenience in order to get small bore smokeless ammunition into the hands of troops as quickly as possible; while trying to avoid copyright infringement or having to pay royalties to a foreign company or gunsmith.
@brucelee3388
@brucelee3388 7 жыл бұрын
I believe Remington tried a tube magazine with a spiral groove pressed into the tube which was supposed to force the cartridge off center, so the noses did not line up with the primers in their pump action rifles, but it did not catch on.
@-John-Doe-
@-John-Doe- 4 жыл бұрын
I suppose they could have returned to rim fire as well...
@leecline5759
@leecline5759 4 жыл бұрын
Ian has it wrong here. Go to C&Rsenals video on this gun, Spitzers came way after this gun was developed and chain detonation is somewhat overstated. Box mags are just superior to Tube Mags all the way around
@robstirling3173
@robstirling3173 5 жыл бұрын
What about the '88 as a newer development Ian. Crunchy/ Noisy action, but an accurate sporter.
@Leslie48
@Leslie48 7 жыл бұрын
Now the question, will we see any comparison-contrast with Winchester's chief competitor, the Marlin?
@yangcheng-jyun8542
@yangcheng-jyun8542 7 жыл бұрын
Or...Savage?
@SonOfAldabarran
@SonOfAldabarran 7 жыл бұрын
Why no 1887 shotgun in this series?
@GrexTheCrabasitor
@GrexTheCrabasitor 7 жыл бұрын
SonOfAldabarran because little tommy exploited the akimbo 1887 to get 10th prestige in 1 week before the update
@Zrod0964
@Zrod0964 7 жыл бұрын
SonOfAldabarran he said this series was exclusively for development of their rifle
@nickrollstuhlfahrerson8659
@nickrollstuhlfahrerson8659 4 жыл бұрын
@Little Victory Fab Co 40 Watts? That would be the weakest plasma rifle ever.
@silasisaspicyboi7458
@silasisaspicyboi7458 4 жыл бұрын
Nick Rollstuhlfahrerson it needs to be legal, stupid gun laws!
@daveybass655
@daveybass655 3 жыл бұрын
@Little Victory Fab Co uzi 9 millimeter....
@MichaelOZimmermannJCDECS
@MichaelOZimmermannJCDECS 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Ian, great tour through the lever-action rifles!
@Erikreaver
@Erikreaver 7 жыл бұрын
Incredible series, Ian, greatly appreciated to see all of the Winchester lever actions. I learned a lot!
@batickell
@batickell 7 жыл бұрын
This was an awesome series! Learned a LOT about the Winchester family of rifles. Thank you!
@warrenhapke2091
@warrenhapke2091 7 жыл бұрын
Ian, the 1895 isn't the last Winchester lever action. The introduced the Model 88 after WWII.
@fuzzydunlop7928
@fuzzydunlop7928 7 жыл бұрын
I really dig this focus on whole series of firearms rather than one-off videos when given the chance. It really gives a wider overview of a particular topic.
@oldbisciut84
@oldbisciut84 7 жыл бұрын
not exactly correct sir. The 40/72 and 38/72 were not existing cartridges but were developed for the model 1895 exclusively and were never chambered in any other Winchester rifle.
@edwhatshisname3562
@edwhatshisname3562 4 жыл бұрын
Winchester: We don't need to put up with this anymore... I mean it's not like this guys designs have been responsible for keeping us relevant and earning money for all of this time. Browning: Ok, see ya. I go to Belgium now. Ah, serves em right though. Winchester basically stole their original design from Henry anyway.
@SA-xf1eb
@SA-xf1eb 3 жыл бұрын
I find the progression of lever rifles to be interesting. Also, Taxation is theft.
@Face2theScr33n
@Face2theScr33n 4 жыл бұрын
Man, sometimes I miss the 90's...
@Claude-Eckel
@Claude-Eckel 2 жыл бұрын
2:58 He did not call it his 'big medicine' ! That's a misquote by several 'authors' who probably mixed up his 'big-stick-foreign-policy' and his 'medicine gun' quote. Roosevelt wrote in fact in his series _"African game trails : an account of the African wanderings of an American hunter-naturalist"_ , published in Scribner's Magazine, vol. XLVI-XLVIII, from Oct. 1909 to Sept. 1910: _'The Winchester .405 is, at least for me personally, the _*_medicine gun_*_ for lions.'_ There you go. Always check quotes before you re-quote them. Most quotes that circulate on the internet were either never said that way or not by the person to whom they are attributed, so rather come from ignorami (yah, that's the correct Latin plural).
@TheDreamer905
@TheDreamer905 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ian,i was so exited when i saw you doing the Winchester lever series,because i knew you would get to this. My dad owns a Carbine version that his dad had,All tho he keeps it in storage, and it has some rusting spots on the receiver. its just so exiting to see something on this channel that i have seen first hand, i don't know why, and i can't wait to show him this. Keep up the great work!
@oloflarsson1833
@oloflarsson1833 7 жыл бұрын
What about the Winchester model 88, with it's hammerless rotary bolt and exchangable box magazine? Or did Winchester buy that design from Sako (the Sako Finnwolf)?
@gabenplznerf1093
@gabenplznerf1093 7 жыл бұрын
I love these series type videos. I know you can only do them when a collector has them but these are the best.
@ericjohnson8482
@ericjohnson8482 7 жыл бұрын
Mines the 38-72 with a fast taper octagon barrel, made in 1898.
@denizen9998
@denizen9998 4 жыл бұрын
Years ago I had a Browning 1895 in 30/06. Wish I still had it. Yes in the 1980s Browning actually reintroduced this rifle.
@TheSlovenlyTactician
@TheSlovenlyTactician 7 жыл бұрын
Anyone who makes a reproduction of this rifle will literally drown in cash. Especially if they make a model that takes Russian stripper clips and is chambered in 7.62x54r.
@AndrewAMartin
@AndrewAMartin 6 жыл бұрын
Or if it took .308 Winchester in stripper clips...
@dominator146
@dominator146 5 жыл бұрын
Make a version that has an SKS fixed mag and chambered in 7.62x39
@Austin_w8
@Austin_w8 4 ай бұрын
I’m gonna be “that guy” all these years later BUT Teddy never called the 1895 “big medicine” the “Big Stick” was his H&H double rifle, his 1895 in .405 Winchester was his “medicine gun for lion” awesome vid and break down either way!
@Acmecycle
@Acmecycle 7 жыл бұрын
Please consider doing the forgotten Winchester model 88, the "bolt action rifle with a lever".
@BenthewildchildE750
@BenthewildchildE750 Жыл бұрын
Apparently a sport version of this rifle was used in white fang 1991 the Disney movie my profile picture is from that movie does anyone have any knowledge on this?
@Rumblestrip
@Rumblestrip 5 жыл бұрын
You forgot about the 1887 lever action shotgun. Not very popular I know, but it's still there. :)
@RalphReagan
@RalphReagan 5 жыл бұрын
It's the terminator shotgun
@lacaceriaestaraenmisangre5799
@lacaceriaestaraenmisangre5799 6 жыл бұрын
I have a rifle point 30 us what cartridge can I put the caliber 30-40 krag ???.
@lenheinz6646
@lenheinz6646 7 жыл бұрын
Excellent series! The multi-part format worked really well in highlighting the evolution of the rifle. The summing up at the end of this episode was also very well done.
@kdkerr2
@kdkerr2 3 жыл бұрын
What about the Winchester Model 88? I think it was the last lever action brought out by Winchester.
@RowdyFisk
@RowdyFisk 7 жыл бұрын
Ian, are you not going to do the Winchester 88?
@HILLBILLYJones1776
@HILLBILLYJones1776 Жыл бұрын
I have a 1895 winchester in 405 win from 1921 🤠 love it to the moon and back!
@eley500
@eley500 7 жыл бұрын
The 40-72 WCF and 38-72 WCF were introduced in 1895 with the rifle and never chambered in any other firearm.
@monkeyboy4746
@monkeyboy4746 7 жыл бұрын
Winchester traded Babe Ruth to the Belgians.
@daviddonnelly2700
@daviddonnelly2700 4 жыл бұрын
Appreciate your entire Winchester lever action rifle series. Highly informative, clearly presented and extremely enjoyable to watch. Gratitude!!
@Andrew-ql1cz
@Andrew-ql1cz 5 жыл бұрын
Would you go back and build on this series by talking about competitors to the Winchester guns? I would like to see a videos on what became of Henry, Sharps rifles, and most of all Marlin. Thanks for vids, I love them.
@josephrodgers3790
@josephrodgers3790 6 жыл бұрын
A Russian Winchester 1895 pretty much the Holy Grail of guns for me
@capnstewy55
@capnstewy55 3 жыл бұрын
Finished watching this whole series in one work day. Thank you gun Jesus.
@DavidJohnson-es2vv
@DavidJohnson-es2vv 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you, for an excellent series! Can you recommend a good book for further study?
@jaydee1532
@jaydee1532 5 жыл бұрын
Very nice .... gee I wish I have one in 30-06
@TroopperFoFo
@TroopperFoFo 7 жыл бұрын
You are not going to do the Winchester 88 from the 1950s?
@bruceinoz8002
@bruceinoz8002 5 жыл бұрын
Probably more "forgotten'" than the1895!
@m1garandlvr420
@m1garandlvr420 7 жыл бұрын
Absolutely loved seeing the progression of the lever action in such great detail. Thank you Ian. I would like to see more of these types of video series, just not sure if there's anything left that's quite as iconic as a Winchester.
@tristanmyers897
@tristanmyers897 7 жыл бұрын
I was under the impression that the R from 7.62X54R stood for rimmed
@CrusadingSamurai
@CrusadingSamurai 6 жыл бұрын
It does. Simple mistake.
@TRUELIVING
@TRUELIVING Жыл бұрын
Then why do some riffles still have a tube magazine's???? Please help
@theapplekingdom5493
@theapplekingdom5493 Жыл бұрын
People still like the lever action platform, so a lot of companies still make them. But otherwise no true modern rifle uses tube magazines, afaik.
@AsbestosMuffins
@AsbestosMuffins 7 жыл бұрын
its interesting how these guns get less and less locked up as they evolved. the common complaint about these for military use was that you could get junk in the action when you open the lever but the earlier guns were pretty sealed up, only the 1890s guns started to have lots of room open up when you cycled it
@idontwanttoputmyname403
@idontwanttoputmyname403 7 жыл бұрын
Was there any reason you didn't mention the various reproductions of the 1895, (like the ones by Miroku) when discussing the production numbers? Since they're repros made by another company do they not count? Or are they not really "Forgotten?" As always, love the videos.
@idontwanttoputmyname403
@idontwanttoputmyname403 7 жыл бұрын
Pekka Rastas Makes sense, I thought that it could be something like that. I've heard some people claim they're different dimension-wise (ignoring the rebounding hammer and tang safety) so I thought that could be it as well.
@waybackj
@waybackj 3 жыл бұрын
At 7:44 when showing the 30 U.S. marking what are the 2 marks bookending that? What do they mean?
@KPSquared2
@KPSquared2 3 жыл бұрын
Those are the Winchester proof marks. The barrel was proofed first unassembled and with a very high load and that’s when the barrel got the mark. After assembly the rifle was proofed with a higher than spec charge, but not as high as the barrel proof load. That’s when the receiver got the proof mark. When these were first imported to England they would proof them with a barrel proof load assembled and destroyed many rifles. Winchester found out and had to set it straight. The English proofhouse then actually came to a agreement with Winchester and accepted the Winchester proofing, and I think was the first firearm sold in England without English proofing.
@ThePerfectRed
@ThePerfectRed 7 жыл бұрын
They should have made these to accept stripper clips from begin with. In 1895 I doubt any army would have considered a rifle that requires loading individual bullets.
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 7 жыл бұрын
Well, the US military adopted a non-clip-fed rifle right at this time, the Krag.
@ThePerfectRed
@ThePerfectRed 7 жыл бұрын
Touché ; ) Lets make that "any modern army"..
@mfree80286
@mfree80286 7 жыл бұрын
That's a bit of a special case, isn't it? Definitely not a single-cartridge loader...
@GoredonTheDestroyer
@GoredonTheDestroyer 7 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised the 1887 wasn't covered during this whole little series.
@nathanphillips3251
@nathanphillips3251 5 жыл бұрын
Could you cover Marlin's guns from this time period? I've been doing some research about the leverguns Marlin was putting out to compete with the Winchester designs, and I'm having a hard time getting complete information about Marlin's lineup.
@rocksandoil2241
@rocksandoil2241 6 жыл бұрын
I love my .405...Teddy's lion gun but I sold my .30-40. Dumb me.
@LordRaa
@LordRaa 7 жыл бұрын
Apologies if you've already answered this question, but are there any benefits to having an octagonal barrel over a round barrel?
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 7 жыл бұрын
No, there really aren't.
@HadToChangeMyName_YoutubeSucks
@HadToChangeMyName_YoutubeSucks 7 жыл бұрын
You get more girls if you have an octagonal barrel
@dude93able
@dude93able 7 жыл бұрын
It was originally thought that the octagon barrel cooled faster so less effect on accuracy when firing lots of rounds, supposedly more surface area so faster coolling. I don't see too many octagon barrels on target rifles so I'm sure that's debunked.
@michaelw.6957
@michaelw.6957 7 жыл бұрын
The octagonal barrel was easier to manufacture using older, simpler technology (pre-1800-ish) When barrels were forge-welded around mandrels they were almost always shaped using nothing more than files. Machine tools such as lathes were not available to the gunsmith of old, so filing flats onto a rough-forged barrel was much easier than trying to file a barrel perfectly round. They were popular on later factory produced guns for aesthetic reasons, I believe. (they were also heavier and helped with accuracy).
@cordellpeters9617
@cordellpeters9617 7 жыл бұрын
LordRaa style points
@timfronimos459
@timfronimos459 Жыл бұрын
Kind of a beautiful looking rifle I think.
@clayzer11
@clayzer11 7 жыл бұрын
Very cool series Ian. I have an 1894 carbine in 30-30 and I love it. I always get comments on it when I bring it out to the range. It was nice to learn more about its development.
@TheBurg229
@TheBurg229 7 жыл бұрын
I know it's not a rifle, but what about the Winchester 1887/1901?
@jamessouth4776
@jamessouth4776 7 жыл бұрын
geez that forend looks like an m1 carbine!
@andrewmioduchowski
@andrewmioduchowski 5 жыл бұрын
Does anyone make reproductions of this awesome rifle?
@Lanttyrantis
@Lanttyrantis 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome series with a lot of educational value. I really appreciate you making a complete series on the Winchester lever action design and going into the real engineering reason why each model was created. I wish TV still had interesting programs like you provide.
@brass427
@brass427 3 жыл бұрын
A very interesting video. I had a 94 for many years (albeit post 1964) but have ever had a 1895 in my hands. The 94 had a 'striker transfer' button in the locking block so that a cartridge could not be fired without the block being in complete battery. I'm not able to see that in the 1895. Did it have one?
@KPSquared2
@KPSquared2 3 жыл бұрын
You cannot fire this rifle out of battery. On one of mine I have to slightly so slightly squeeze my grip around the lever to allow the hammer to drop. The firing pin is also blocked from firing until fully in battery.
@Capitan_JodePartidas
@Capitan_JodePartidas 7 жыл бұрын
Some of this guns were used by the Spanish Republican Army during the Spanish Civil War. They were sended by the Soviet Union For sure, but, I do not remember if the Mexican gobverment send Some of this
@ringowunderlich2241
@ringowunderlich2241 7 жыл бұрын
So let's sum it up: Volcanic pistol 1855 Henry 1860 Win. 1866 Win. 1873 Win. 1876 Win. 1886 Win. 1892 Win. 1894 Win. 1895 That makes a fine collection of a 40 year milestone in gun design. It can become quite huge too, if you get as much variants as possible ... and quite expensive.
@user-NKM-Nanno.KmentMan
@user-NKM-Nanno.KmentMan 2 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry to trouble you. I will be Japanese. Sorry for the poor English translated by Google ...! 😓 I have a question this time, so I made a comment. I know that the most famous gun you are using this time is the "7.62x54mmR bullet". However, in the introduction of this gun in my hometown of Japan (Wikipedia), it was stated that there is a model that can use "7.92x57mm Mauser" or "8mm Mauser". Do you know? I really want to know it as one of the materials used for the novel ...! So, I'm sorry to trouble you, but ... please reply ...!🙏
@kapiteinbier
@kapiteinbier 6 ай бұрын
What a super interesting series! Incredibly detailed without ever being boring. That's quality! By the way, the 1873 or the 1892 ai found the most interesting/beautiful.
@jamesyoung1547
@jamesyoung1547 6 жыл бұрын
Roosevelt also had one in .35 Winchester that he lent one of his men in the Rough Riders.
@Bobbycat115
@Bobbycat115 Жыл бұрын
I have a 1895 in 405 WCF 80 % condition 26" barrel Lyman rear site with the flip over front good wood no cracks gouges Winchester original widow peek recoil pad .Ser# says made in 1903 but the 405 came in 1904 ? must be a first one off the line I have no idea of the value but wont sell it anyway .The rifle came to me with 6 boxes of western new original amo too .
@andrewgable7273
@andrewgable7273 Жыл бұрын
I still love that rifle. I'm just not sure in which caliber to get one in. 375 Win or 405 Win. Tho I'm leaning towards the 375 Win. Thx!!!! What an elegant design. A true CLASSIC, right there.
@rexfrommn3316
@rexfrommn3316 4 жыл бұрын
This 1895 Winchester in .30-06 caliber chambering would have been a good rear area rifle for training troops, military police, artillery troops, guards, drivers and other service troops, especially in a carbine form. The U.S. War Department should have come up with a carbine form of the Winchester 1895, probably with a 24 inch or better yet a 20 inch barrel. A stripper clip arrangement could have been made to use the same .30-06, five round ammo clips as the 1903 Springfield. Say for instance, the US National Guard and Reserve troops could have had this carbine version of the Winchester1895 rifle along with many of the active duty rear area troops. The Guard and Reserve troops in the frontline infantry could have turned in their Winchester 1895 carbines for whatever frontline bolt action rifle the War Department could give them, if and only if supplies of new rifles were available. But at least the Guard and Reserve would have had the carbine Winchester 1895 rifle to serve with if called up. This factor could have freed up 1903 Springfields for the frontline active duty infantry. The Savage lever action could have filled a similar role. The lever action Winchester 1895 in carbine form would have worked for the Navy sailors who have a need for a rifle for boarding, guard duty, and for port security etc. The point is the Winchester 1895 rifle chambered in .30-06 in carbine form could have been purchased for Guard, Reserve, and rear area troops and for the entire Navy Department, minus the frontline Marines infantry. This carbine 1895 Winchestr rifle could have worked well in this role. The Signal Corps could have also bought this carbine Winchester 1895 for its troops in the newly created Air Service too. The Coast Artillery, Border Patrol, Cavalry Corps, Military Police, federal civilian law enforcement all would have loved a handy carbine version of the 1895 Winchester rifle. The fact that this rifle served well with the Russian Army in World War One, the Russian Civil War and in the Spanish Civil War speaks to the validity of these statements made here. Such a scheme for the United States would have freed industrial capacity for the War Department and the Marine Corps to equip their frontline infantry with the most desirable bolt action rifle design of their troops needs at the time. This carbine Winchester 1895 rifle would have been perfect for training, and rear area troops providing them with an adequate service rifle. So purchasing a a MILLION PLUS of these carbine Winchester 1895 rifles would have been extremely cost effective, especially if optimized for mass production. These rear area carbine service rifle would have been battle sight zeroed for 300 meters at the factory with a single peep or buckhorn type sight. The idea here is once a soldier zeroed his rifle, no further adjustments should have been necessary or even allowed. The more complex lever action system would have worked fine for these rear area troops who "need something to shoot just in case." These rear area troops wouldn't have had to shoot very often because their workday tasks don't include any regular need for shooting. The carbine version with a 20 inch barrel would have been ideal for getting into and out of railroad cars, ships, vehicles, aircraft or horses. We probably could have used this rifle into the 1930's or even longer for rear area security, training and 2nd echelon troops like Coast Artillery, industrial plant and railroad guards well into World War Two. Winchester had the machine tools ready for use BEFORE the First World War. The War and Navy Department were short sighted in not improving and ruthlessly standardizing this 1895 Winchester rifle design for mass production for rear area troops, security tasks, cavalry, training, Coast Artillery, the Navy Department, Guard and Reserve troops, and countless law enforcement or Border Patrol missions.
@timbaskett6299
@timbaskett6299 2 жыл бұрын
A Russian contract 1895 in 7.62x54mmR is one of my "unicorn" rifles I would love to own. I do like the diopter sights!! Brain storm, I wonder how a lever action operation would work with an AR style rotating bolt.
@AlexGore511
@AlexGore511 Жыл бұрын
>A far better combat weapon than a Mosin-Nagant Can you hear that? That's the sound of countless Bubba's who swear up and down that their Russian Shit-Stick is perfect for WW3/The Apocalypse crying out in agony.
@AmericanDayDreamer
@AmericanDayDreamer Ай бұрын
I own one myself chambered in 30-40 Kraig. Gorgeous piece. Serial stamp #469 I’d like to see a video explaining the deference of those first 5k models in comparison to these. Good video
@kerrypitt9789
@kerrypitt9789 Жыл бұрын
The actual caliber was .303 not 30/06 or 30/03. I had one in German Nickle Steel for many years. It was a good weapon, not my favorite lever action which was the Winchester 88 in .308
@stang3787
@stang3787 3 жыл бұрын
I HAVE A 95 SRC IN 30/40.IN THE BUTTSTOCK I FOUND A PULL THRU AND A KRAG OILER. Was there a special cleaning rod?
@harry9392
@harry9392 2 жыл бұрын
Never heard of this beautiful rifle before well I live in Carrickfergus Northern Ireland and a vetran due to our daft laws I can't even get an air rifle, even so I carried quite a few ppws over the years . Wee question for you Ian was there any Rifles that fired different calibres of 30 calibre ie one rifle firming 303 306 7.62x54 just a thought,
@chipsterb4946
@chipsterb4946 2 жыл бұрын
Query: on the 1894 the transfer bar for the firing pin is located on the locking block. On the 1895 it appears to be on the back of the bolt itself, so what serves as a disconnector on the 1895? love that ancient Lyman sight system.
@thompsonjerry3412
@thompsonjerry3412 7 жыл бұрын
Would like to see a comparison between the Marlin and Winchester actions.
@dennisgorse2833
@dennisgorse2833 3 жыл бұрын
Yes I remember seeing ads for 95s under 10 dollars in 762×54r I wanted one but had first no knowledge of the round and my allowance was only 25 cents per week for my part of life in the of an American family after WW2
@M3rcanSoldi3r856
@M3rcanSoldi3r856 5 жыл бұрын
Don't by a gun by a browning!!!
@aramondehasashi3324
@aramondehasashi3324 5 жыл бұрын
Why? And do you mean any gun designed by John Browning or the modern company?
@andyfields3248
@andyfields3248 7 ай бұрын
The 1895 isn't the last Winchester lever design, that would be the model 88. Model 88 is completely its own animal, it isn't a rehash or similar to anything before it.
@SnoopReddogg
@SnoopReddogg 3 жыл бұрын
"We've reached the conclusion to the saga of the Winchester Lever Action Rifle" Winchester 88 "nobody loves me..."
@ganlesat
@ganlesat 2 жыл бұрын
Used by the first International Brigades in spanish civil war 1936-1939.
@hstetser5376
@hstetser5376 3 жыл бұрын
It really is sad how ingenious designs from men like browning, ruger, etc don't really exist in the US any more. Now it's all polymer and black metal clones
@keithsimpson2685
@keithsimpson2685 3 жыл бұрын
Shot a 7.62x54 version a while back and after wondered how safe I really was as rifle was a bit old and loose feeling but buddy shot it all the time. Slight downloads though.
@JMARLOWE1972
@JMARLOWE1972 3 жыл бұрын
I had 4 of them. All .303 British. All very very accurate. But heavy for hunting in the Pennsylvania mountains.
@edwarddesoignie1396
@edwarddesoignie1396 3 жыл бұрын
The 30 US chamber marking can be confusing considering they also chambered it in the 30-06. Just sayin.
@danielleclare2938
@danielleclare2938 5 жыл бұрын
I have both Mosin and 1895 not better but more fun maybe faster not too bad for dirt mag can come out for service I think mine is in the closet I should shoot it... .303...
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