Wind Waker Randomizer Allsanity 100% Speedrun Race vs. Linkus7

This was a 100% Wind Waker Randomizer Allsanity race that Linkus and I did a few days ago. Linkus' perspective will probably be on his VOD channel if you want to watch it.
Live speedruns at / gymnast86
Twitter: / mrgymnast86
#windwakerrandomizer #randomizerspeedrun #zeldawindwaker

[@TenshizakiN008]

Best part of this entire seed is Grandma just holding out on Link owning an island and hiding the deed in her basement.

[@awryguy1967]

Grandma was planning to fake her death and leave the island and all her worries behind.

[@brandonpotter4641]

1:43:14. Aaaaall my time watching randomizers and speed runs of this game, and all I ever wanted to see was a player land in the boat from one of those platforms. Thank you, sir! Very satisfying

[@fenneko3116]

Couldn't agree more. Something I didn't know I needed until it happened, lol.

[@bdellovibrioo5242]

I love the idea of the bow being at auction. Like, what happens in the lore if one of the townspeople win? Does she have to go on to defeat Ganondorf?

[@dankpoppa9751]

Cant wait for the day we will see Master sword in auction

[@devinnn39]

The auctioneer explains the next day that the townsperson returned the item and that’s why it’s for sale again

[@dannylieberwirth1784]

yoooooo back to the classics! so happy to see you two racing again

[@calibornenglish9851]

Cannot believe Linkus thought the second beetle check was 50 and lost SO much time because of it haha! ggs

[@carmen9610]

Run starts 8:45 - there's some commentary from Gym beforehand, though.

[@GiveLamp]

thank you!

[@tom4465]

"Who's ready for the next 8 hours of checking things". That is really accurate lol

[@ztyphoon8982]

Dark link and a skull necklace? Spooky start for October!

[@somniad]

Wonderful run! The item placements were very silly and you did a good job sating my curiosity along the way. And Linkus' run - oh christ the ending was so tragic, you were so close for so long but so many silly things happened all at once.

[@Complex_Milk]

Super cool! Was just rewatching the last WW 100% randomized video you did a while back.

[@raynorzeraph953]

"See you guys in hopefully less than 8 hours" *Checks video length* Well I guess we'll see how long before the end you finish up. ;)

[@adnauseam1432]

Just felt like putting a link to Linkus7's race video since his was only somewhat recently uploaded. kzbin.info/www/bejne/n3OtoqiGgNabq6c

[@amethonys2798]

3:40:18 I always like small things like this in games where if you go to a dungeon later with more tools it is significantly "easier" without being outright broken. This is a really minute one that saves such a small amount of time, but other examples are like doing DC in OoT as Adult and being able to simply climb ledges and such or outright having Light Arrows for the start of Stone Tower and not needing to do the mirror shield puzzles (or in this game and Earth Temple for some checks I believe).

[@dukesofrock0920]

fell asleep at some point into the run, wake up as soon as Gym finally gets the hero's sword

[@JayDayX116]

oh nice. im definitely binging this at work tomorrow

[@ext93]

hell yes. perfect vid for this rainy first day of october while i play OoT rando. cheers Gym

[@ext93]

2:01:37 "triforce chart 5... treasure chart 34... i want another cookie ..."

[@BlackSanta12]

Gym you have a talent to just hold a conversation with yourself like we are responding. That’s why you are one of the 🐐. Appreciate you my boy

[@HGShurtugal]

Goat?

[@BlackSanta12]

@@HGShurtugal oh you can’t read it’s okay. It says one of the goat. As in one of many. Words matter

[@LinkaleeLewis]

It stands for "greatest of all time."

[@celestialkitsune]

@@BlackSanta12 Wow. Are you always this condescending? Maybe they just didn't know what it meant? No reason to assume they can't read.

[@BlackSanta12]

@@celestialkitsune you really went on a week ago post just to be seen? Kick rocks

[@SuperSpike47]

Fantastic video 😺

[@fernando98322]

I will enjoy this

[@thuperkris]

19hours late but going to watch it all

[@bobbyblueholliday]

Same lol

[@damiankirishima]

"See you guys in under 8 hours... Hopefully." Just the slightest bit off

[@AerynBella]

I'm only about 45 mins in but I appreciate that you don't cuss much, if at all. It makes for a pleasant stream. 😊

[@BatmanHaze]

I watched this after watching Linkus and I thought it was so funny how you two found a sword at almost the same time in the run

[@KaneYork]

That long combat cave at 1:45 was certainly long!

[@brycemattson4913]

Grapple being so late in the logic meant that nothing very important to progression was in the chest. Oddly nice

[@thuperkris]

8:47 start time

[@TheShadowprince]

Yes! Quality content.

[@jasonandrews1770]

Early wallet may be the most important early find. Otherwise so many rupees go to waste

[@CadaverCo]

Gymnast ily your vid’s are awesomr

[@lilpoetat]

Thanks 👍

[@sakasil2]

I wish i had caught this live. Cause when gym grabbed his second pearl i had mused "watch as the third pearl is in the other chest" and when it was i was like "oh my god, i was right?"

[@LG22475]

Wait, what just happened at 4:29:17? I thought that the moblin only do that animation if they accidentally hit one of their allies. From what I can tell, only link got damaged from the moblin's punch attack. Must have something to do with a weird interaction with the ice arrow or something.

[@davidneitzel6315]

I wonder how to do a randomizer for this game and do a 100% of it

[@archmagemc3561]

So the whole sword thing with this seed. None of the swords were in logic until you got at least the grappling hook which is nuts. And to get that you needed 15 blue chu jellies for bombs.

[@SilentVinyl]

Neat

[@uTubeNoITube]

Is the Randomizer something new to the Wind Waker scene? Either way, I am sooo happy to see so many people giving love to one of my favorite favorite games and franchises. :)

[@XenoWars]

Wind Waker rando has been a thing for a long time. I dont know how many but its been years

[@necrobinicalastercourte3483]

More than 4, as the oldest randos on Gym's vod channel (here, lol) are over 4 years old.

[@AmaroqStarwind]

6:49:21 I think the only reason they don't mind when Link breaks the cups and vases is because of some insurance quirk, wherein by breaking them, Link is actually getting them a net profit.

[@uTubeNoITube]

1:43:14 What a boss.

[@graceholbert2126]

So... was Blue Chu Jelly not in logic before? Because neither of them did in either of their previous runs.

[@AmaroqStarwind]

Imagine if you could pick and choose different elements from the three versions of Wind Waker to create the perfect version of the game.

[@matthewbrooks5470]

Thanks for the fantastic content! After watching a couple of these and doing some digging for the right files, I'm going to try a rando run for myself. Any setting recommendations for someone who knows the game, but is just trying out the randomizer? EDIT: I suppose I should be specific. I've played through the story and know some of the side quests through watching these videos

[@ninteney9777]

You could start without keysanity just to get used to the rando and to make dungeons faster. They keys will still be randomized but only in their respective dungeons. Also when there are minigames that you hate, just set that as a junk location so you don't have to do them. WW is pretty easy so I don't have that many suggestions, just look at the settings in the rando. Everything should have an explanation note if i remember correctly. Have fun playing!

[@matthewbrooks5470]

@@ninteney9777 thanks! I started a run and quickly realized that I barely remember where things are in their normal locations, so I’ll probably do a normal run to jog my memory then do rando runs

[@ninteney9777]

@@matthewbrooks5470 you don't have to do a normal run, use a tracker, it will show you all locations, even those you normally never visit during a casual playthrough. It will also show you new checks whenever you get a new item.

[@somniad]

To answer a question from the last couple minutes: The fastest route between any number of nodes (e. g. points, e.g. checks) is called the traveling salesman problem, and it's already a problem which computer scientists formally call "non-polynomial" which means that when the number of points to consider grows very big at all, it can informally be called "non-unfuckable." The problem of speedrun routing is much harder than this, because there are complex dependencies between the points. Computers CAN solve computationally intractable problems. If a perfect algorithmic solution is too slow to finish before the heat death of the universe, bring out a bigger hammer, namely heuristics. The above-mentioned traveling salesman problem can use this to get fast, good solutions. However, it is also a problem which is pretty tedious but straightforward to state formally. The routing software would have to know about every possible option at every possible point - it's like if you had to program logic for a rando with every skip enabled. Doable. Hollow Knight's randomizer does it. But obscenely difficult, and HK's has holes, even with its extremely complicated boolean expressions, and stuff is added to those boolean expressions all the time because of creative new finds with obscure item combinations, and sometimes stuff that seems obscure in one context is much less obscure after a total reroute. So basically, no. It's just like you said. Way too hard.

[@elia2649]

Not sure if anyone has acknowledged this, but this was honestly an excellent explanation! I've heard of this problem before but was never really able to understand it till now. Appreciate you typing all this out.

[@somniad]

​@@elia2649 Thanks! I'm glad my computer science degree managed to come in handy. Rereading my above message, one thing I failed to mention is that even though there are lots of wild obscure bits of information to keep in mind for something like this that would be practically impossible to program in exhaustively, it's not impossible that a combination of a heuristic approach and a huge pile of research (both on what skips are available with what items, and on how to make the algorithm faster in this specific case) could result in better results than a human would come up with. But the human is always needed just to understand what's even possible, and since skip discoveries are sometimes motivated by a route *almost* working, that's one element that will stay human for the forseeable future even in the most optimistic outlook for how the above-mentioned research would go.

[@benabati9963]

Does anyone know how to get a ww randomizer for yourself? Kinda wanna try it but have no idea how to go about it

[@maryse127]

if you go to Gym's twitch channel and type !discord in chat you can join his discord server. there is a channel with speedrun resources that should have info on the rando

[@travisporter5222]

Google will show you the way but Mariie's way is better.

[@evan5887]

4:05:21 sword aquired

[@03bgood]

Does storage chest make you miss out on the item that was in the chest?

[@gymnast86]

No, you get the item on the next stage load. The only way to miss the item is if you savewarp before the next load sequence.

[@LoganV3535]

He just posted it to his KZbin channel 2 days ago.

[@bookreaderman6715]

@@LoganV3535 wrong comment

[@tylerhackney1604]

Why does the wind move with him when he’s sailing?

[@crystalbellis]

The Randomizer has the swift sail from WWHD

[@grand_admiral_henrich4416]

Is this from the same race Linkus uploaded yesterday?

[@Camelflaa]

Yes

[@grand_admiral_henrich4416]

@@Camelflaa thank you 😃😃

[@rootbeerfan1234]

But how is this "Allsanity" if the entrances aint randomized?

[@user-fl4vr2fj8p]

entrances are separated from all the « thingsanity » bc these are only for item checks -> ex potsanity in OoT puts all pots with items into the check pool of « normal » stuff, entrances are more of a movement based randomization which is pretty much something extremely different from the sanity stuff

[@XenoWars]

Im an hour 40 and im curious why he thinks the Iron Boots arent in logic. The Lenzo chests are Sphere 0 cause you jump to the door from the windmill

[@asaprudeness560]

It's locked until he gives you a tour of his house, which is locked behind the camera

[@crystalbellis]

It's because he doesn't have picto box, the door isn't unlocked until you talk to Lenzo with picto

[@SuperTrolin]

!settings

[@davidshay4233]

So he won 1st place?

[@p00rstr94]

imagine going 5 and a half hours without the grappling hook also i really need to practice that skip at 5:27:30

[@LANBobYonson]

Time to find out who won lol seeing one side of this race just feels wrong Gym: See you in less than 8 hours hopefully. Me: Looks at timestamp 😂 Your sploosh kaboom went so much better than linkuses lol (cuz he misplayed) This seed was insane.

[@TheJaggedCarpet]

Why is his controller so freaking loud? It’s annoying.

[@Thermalfusi0n]

its just you

[@darken27]

Has linkus posted his side of the race anywhere? I like seeing both

[@sophiefilo16]

He hasted posted in on KZbin (yet?), but it's still on his Twitch for the time being. I'm trying to watch it before it gets auto-deleted...

[@Bakuham]

He just did a few days ago if youre still interested

[@darken27]

@@Bakuham I've been watching it

[@supremeanj1931]

2:21:00 is exactly why I love watching these like who knew you could hook shot up there lol I love doing these tricks when I play makes the game feel different thank you gymnast 🫶🏻