Windows 11 24H2 TPM 2.0 Bypass removed is in my opinion a dumb decision

[@Dude_99981]

im not some kind of rude dude or some haters of Windows 11, no im not, i just saw a pattern, i also has bad experiences with 11 both on High end and Mid end RIG, and i think its a true, that the words "SUCKS" is in 11...

[@hughluttrell6350]

What you are not mentioning is all of the CNC machines that run off of Windows.Medical equiptment mills press brakes Lazer metal cutting machines wood working machines.Some of these can be updated and others can`t.CT scanners MRI and X-ray machines.All of the costs of these world wide will be passed down to us the consumers.

[@JeanPierreWhite]

Extended support for WIn10 is the logical option for mission critical systems. Its expensive but better than getting hacked.

[@mikesun9009]

Now that you mention it. My grandfathers Auto repair shop will have to replace the PC on the diagnostic cart. It’s a Win 10 machine that is an old off the shelf Dell. It does not support TPM 2.0

[@davewmck]

GE MRIs and CTs run on Linux

[@Dude_99981]

never heard of massive change of requirement of windows 10 even when it first came out and till now it just remain the same and TBH it's friendly with low to mid end RIG, yet Windows 11 wants to ended up the whole loyal user, a loyal user

[@Dude_99981]

I buy a gaming laptop that came from 2021, and now I should sell this laptop due too of predatory requirements of windows 11 in the middle of their development?, a huge change in the same version of windows 11?.... is it me or they indeed became absolutely doesn't care with their own customers who bought and gave them those money?

[@davidmalaky]

Holy why are people crybabies about Win 11 having HW requirements... Yes, MS is finally focusing on security I am glad, they didnt také anything from you so stop acting butthurt. Also staying on unsupported OS is a not very smart decision for majority of people...

[@infernal-toad]

No, your 2021 laptop will be fine as they do officially support Windows 11. If you got one from 2018 or earlier then it’s gonna be an issue.

[@cookieboy5300]

lots of used computers on Ebay that are not Windows 11 compatible for sale, with! windows 11 installed. Been waiting for microsoft to kill off the option to install on unsupported hardware. I don't agree with or disagree with the decision but can say I was expecting this to happen sooner or later.

[@Afurai_]

It makes even less sense when W10 support ends next year and there's only 31% market share for W11 currently. W10 was my last version of windows, and should be many other's last version of windows as well..

[@Mario583a]

ok; nothing is supposed to be supported forever with technical debt.

[@simonb6048]

Don't you worry there are a lot of smart people out there, there inevitably will be unofficial release of 24h2 without the TPM 2.0 requirement.

[@JeanPierreWhite]

And Microsoft will block that as well.

[@msromike123]

No, not happening man. And these smart people are going to do zero day and zero click security updates as well? Microsoft doesn't have 10,000 ish employees on the Windows team because they are not as smart as a group a few guys that MIGHT be able to get the OS to boot and bypass the hardware requirements.

[@userminer2280]

@@JeanPierreWhite they can try but explorer patcher for example bypasses the 24H2 block and that came out in a few days.

[@Dude_99981]

well I know that majority of user may not really concern or may not care with all of these changes that currently has been evolved, but me as not really tech savy user but indeed I feel the impact of this era of AI Windows OS that even for my daily basis, TBH Windows 11 is still irritating to used compared to 10.

[@davidmalaky]

Why tho, only change for daily driver is simplified context menu a taskbar in the middle

[@mamdouh-Tawadros]

I installed it in an unsupported hardware, but it refused to update, having bypassed requirements.

[@VA3JPX]

I'm looking forward to Gilles Linux videos. Quite a few alternatives to Windows out there. The problem is, most people who use Windows are doing so out of necessity as their daily applications only run on windows.

[@WAI36]

I'm on WiN11 23H2 (ASUS P5Q-EM Xeon E5450 3.0 OC3.6GHZ) but I'd bet someone out there will remove stuff so we can still be Happy

[@JeanPierreWhite]

And Microsoft will block that bypass as well.

[@oneeyedphotographer]

Windows 10 is end of life in circa 14 months, and several of my computers are well able to march on past then. So it's landfill. So good for the environment.

[@jamesburke2759]

More of my customers lose their data from bitlocker than it saves.

[@D.von.N]

You can lock your system to stay on 23H2, not upgrading to 24 version. Get your iso file while you can.

[@BlueSparkzVideos]

These release updates also have EOL expiration dates. Unfortunately, 23h2 expires around the same time Windows 10 expires. This basically means there's no point in using the current bypass method now.

[@msromike123]

No, it is critical for security going forward with the push towards client-side small language model and AI inferencing on user machine. Thats is why. And on another note, nothing inherently wrong with BitLocker on by default in my book. Most people are backing up data in cloud already, either with OneDrive or Google. Technology is changing and there is nothing wrong with staying on Windows 10 until your next hardware upgrade. Don't hamstring others that are on a more paid hardware upgrade cycle. Most of us want the features that are only available on Windows 11 running on Microsoft's minimum equipment specs.

[@MadMal2024]

AI is NOT the way forward. It started with teh Gaming community and their demands for higher; and frankly, ludicrous wants in tech improvements to fit thgeir needs. That brought about higher prices; more requirements and the need to drain more power from the Energy provision system. Now AI' with its need for massive server banks running 24/7 365 generating vast amounts of heat to be dissipated; a larger drain on the Power grid..> See how Environmentally unfriendly that is... No Microsoft have again shot themselves in the foot with this one; and have made total rubbish of their "Green Credentials". All these Technology companies need to stop and give back power and control to their users. They have no right to control what you can and cannot do with YOUR equipment; you bought it it's yours. Apple have gotten away with this since they began. And people are willing to let them. It may not even be from the low end side of the Consumer market that the fight back comes. it could be from the Business sector. All the upgrades to equipment; changed need to support said etc all cost. So we may well see the first Class action suits coming from that direction.

[@bobcollard11]

Currently TPM 2.0 is not in use. Other than Bit Locker what is it used for? I do not use Bit Locker. Never will.

[@davidmalaky]

SSO should also utilize it, at the very least clearing TPM logs off majority of MS software

[@msromike123]

UEFI secure boot enhancements.

[@userminer2280]

Honestly I bought a laptop in 2020 it came with a 6th gen i5 and it was bought brand new so if a pc this recent doesn't pass this is something that should never be done.

[@sideshowbilly3755]

Bro, I totally disagree. There's an awful lot of us gamers who built our own $4k-6k machines from the ground up, who have non-TPM procs, but screamers, that would run circles around any SGI machine (exaggeration of course for those of you who know what a Silicon Graphics machine is) within the last 3-4 years. I dont want to spend a pretty penny on a Win11-TPM-supported chipset and all supported hardware for simply being compatible with Win11. I'll run Win10 for another 5 years if I need to. Just sayin'

[@Anim4000]

it's not possible to create emulated TPM? like anyone did on hackintosh and some DXE file

[@msromike123]

No, it has to be hardware TPM in the BIOS boot sequence.

[@gamingtechandbeyond]

They will find a way. If not, then stay on Windows 11 23h2, or Windows 10. And there is always Linux as an option.

[@robertcard8200]

you can do it in the registrey editor and tell it to by pass it

That's funny because M$ was thinking about removing the TPM requirement in the future. Perhaps Win12 won't have it.

[@JeanPierreWhite]

Where did you read that? Seems unlikely they are planning that now.

[@smada36]

A lot of motherboards have a TPM header. Can't a module be plugged in to give 2.0 support? It's not the solution for everyone, but for some.

[@davidmalaky]

Dont you dare bring up solutions in front of the crybabies 😡

[@msromike123]

That certainly can work, but I think they can be hard to source, and BIOS support can be an issue.

[@animeOfDarkness405]

I'm still happy with windows 10

[@ping1xx]

are you talking about the bypass that can be done on 23h2?

[@Dude_99981]

i tell u what, the real reason why they makes Win 11 and STOP supporting the Windows 10 "security" updates is simply they just want to make a new source of income & revenue, well, i mean, if they care with 10, they absolutely still able and can do thw security update even until 2030, but they decided to stop it and move on to supporting the new OS, thats why the made 11 and will discontinuing the old source of their profit whic is Windows 10, and now since 11 has been aired, it means new income from OS sales and may from preinstalled OS that came with Manufacturer PC's

[@myronachtman4304]

I'm happy to stay with Windows 10 for as long as I can.

[@msromike123]

October next year, start making plans now.

[@mikeross880]

It’s just been one thing after another with Windows 11 this past week.

[@trainmaster0217]

If you are not happy with Microsoft then move on to something else. I, like you got a bit irritated with MS making us jump through hoops and making things tougher not easier so I moved to Linux where there are no "hoops" just smooth computing. Started with Puppy Linux then after I became accustomed to it I graduated to Linux Mint. It has a windows feel to it.

[@gordonp57]

My system i 6th gen but it has tpm 2.0 - this is just stupid, but then again it is MS

[@Dude_99981]

even now we almost have an separation of PC, one is regular PC and the other one there is Co-Pillow+ rainbow PC, and they even try to make a different build of Windows 11, what a sad era of Windows, devided, its too much, too diversity, its enough, why cant they just make basic, functional yet stable OS that every user has been talked since windows 10 bloat cames?, even now they dont listen to that, they just do the other side of those things

[@msromike123]

So, Copilot+ is "woke" windows. LOL, thanks. This made reading this far into the comments totally worth it!

[@65CJ5]

I'll just keep mine on 23H2 until it stops getting security updates.

[@msromike123]

You mean in 14 months? That is a solid strat. Makes sense. Start saving up for a shiny new Ryzen processor with an integrated NPU that will support Copilot+!

[@jennymontague851]

Microsoft is trying to force me to come over to their side and get me away from Google. It now tedious to try to get my message or even use my bank account or get my email. What is going on???? HELP! I have 23H2

[@JeanPierreWhite]

In order to get help you will need to describe your problem more clearly. I have re read your comment several times and don't understand what problems you are facing. Be specific.

[@mikesun9009]

Im also in a weird spot here. I have TPM 2.0 on my system. But Windows will not accept secure boot. This is a known flaw for 2nd gen AMD Ryzen processors, Microsoft doesn’t care…

[@msromike123]

They have to make decisions every day of when to drop support for edge cases (like an AMD market needs assessment mistake.) It's not just AMD, there are some fairly recent Intel processors that are not supported that are about 6 years old as well. I would say that Win 10 security updates stopping in Oct 2025 is kind of not cool, but I am going to predict that this date will be extended, depending of course on what the number of Win 10 systems are still in use in October next year. I'm not a big AMD guy, but can't you get a fairly cheap processor off of eBay or even a new that would make your system Win 11 compliant (without changing the motherboard?)

[@NGT_C7]

Linux starting to knock on doors even louder and harder. 😉😉😉

[@brianschumacher8956]

I new that unsupported 11 installs would not last forever. I think it is time to just upgrade your hardware. I used it to get more out of my old laptop, but I bought a new PC that supports Windows 11.

[@ethimself5064]

Not sure but if people have not yet bypassed 2.0 yet, very few left that want to. Is not Bitlocker prone to issues, perhaps only in the past?

[@RadioKid-e8x]

Lots of ewaste- all at once in October of 2025.. Darn. I hate throwing away hardware that still works. MS wouldn't guarantee Win 10 works on my 12 year old Lenovo. Its been working fine. I tried the Linux Mint thing before on a different computer. it didn't go so well. It wasn't particularly the computers issue , more the users issue.

[@tonymerasty]

whats the problem with these users get the hardware for a modern os quit livin in the past with seriously outdated hardware most enthusiasts have an income so upgrade instead of running workarounds that will eventually fail

[@edwood3033]

My 6850K on an x99 has no TPM at all. Yet, with a 3080 Ti it is still faster than 90% of the crap you can buy now. Enthusiasts? LMAO...

[@microsoftsarker]

nice the video

[@kebugcheck]

Tpm used for identification

[@datriaxsondor590]

This is about control. It's a long road to where Microsoft is leading this, but the destination, will be far worse than the journey. Bitlocker, will trap so many clueless users under Microsoft's control, should Microsoft decide to be as nefarious as they've always been. Your drive(s) will be lockable remotely, should they ever care to do so. As I said. The road is very long to get there, but this isn't going to end well, for people who stay onboard with Windows and TPM. TPM being mandatory, isn't for your security, or mine. It's for theirs.

[@silfrido1768]

If that’s the case then I’m not updating

[@exzld]

I have a theory. Originally I was going to suggest they are pushing more commercial users to upgrade hardware but what if it is really about the more and more compliance being placed on the consumers almost like a digital grooming for what is to come? Eee U and other orgs have been eager to push for more censorship and tracking. I think its all about pushing us closer to their vision of their new world. 🤷 more or less

[@msromike123]

It's absolutely about pushing you towards their vision. And it takes adequate hardware to keep people safe and secure while dragging them kicking and screaming into the future.

[@BlueSparkzVideos]

I think Microsoft has already run the numbers and decided to leave behind niche techie users. Windows 11 will draw the line between casuals who will accept anything without protest and enthusiasts who have expectations. Microsoft has already figured they'd be profitable enough without the latter.

[@gwgux]

While most computers have a TPM 2.0 chip nowadays, whether or not it's activated and working properly is another story. That aside, even if you assume most computers have it enabled and working correctly, I get the feeling that isn't the true issue that's ruffling feathers. It's the fact that Microsoft is making decisions for you that's not sitting well with folks. A power battle between the technical community and a company with a monopoly on the OS market for PCs and laptops. All I can say is, if you don't like it, do something about it. If your tech savvy enough to understand what is going on here and you don't like Microsoft's direction, then put your skills to use and do something about it. Microsoft is not going to stop. You're not going to see government step in either. If you are truly bothered by this decision (and there's many others to choose from that can be disturbing), then rise up and do something about it. I don't care if that means using Linux, MacOS, FreeBSD, and adopting it to take over, or building something new from scratch that can work where the others have failed. If you're in the know and have the skills to do something about it, then do it already.

[@jameswagster8329]

Why not make requirements optional?

[@JeanPierreWhite]

If a requirement is optional it isn't a requirement. If something is required, it is , well, required.

[@paulwarner5395]

Micro$loth once again trying to sell new PCs (new windows license) . Way to go and push people to Linux. I have a 4 year old laptop here but it's CPU doesn't support Win 11 everything else does so I converted it to a Plex server, goes really well with Ubuntu installed. My current desktop (12 years old) and play PCs don't support Win 11 but run it fine. Not junking perfectly good hardware until I have to .

[@msromike123]

I have a 486 DX with 8MB of memory that runs Win 95 perfectly. I can dust it off for you :) It can run certain versions of Linux also. You can even dual boot with GRUB and get the best of both worlds.

[@JeanPierreWhite]

Running unsupported is always a risk. Folks who bypass compatibility checks should know that they are taking a risk that their system may not work when they wake up one morning. Microsoft are taking a hard line because if they don't people will simply stay on WIndows 10 forever. It will be interesting to see if they backtrack when windows 10 systems become a huge botnet for hackers. Folks won't upgrade and we'll see how many that is come Oct 2025. I guess it will be over 50% of Windows PC's; which will be a disaster. I don't see how Microsoft will be able to continue to insist on TPM 2.0 much beyond Oct 2025. They are taking a hard line, but will fail IMHO.

[@msromike123]

Agreed they will push the support window, but they won't drop Win 11 core hardware minimum. IOW they will support Windows 10 for longer, but they won't let you run Win 11 without TPM 2.0. That would break their security model that they need to push client-side AI in the future. I get a kick out of the notion that Microsoft stumbled into their market dominant position by accident.

[@alexbalex7299]

OK, this is the double comment. I’ll try not to repeat anything. I said last night on a similar related video. First of all, I will share something that someone said on Facebook. Corporate read some of these corporations. It’s worse than Mr. Krabs. If you know who that is, secondly, I have several machines only one machine I have does not have TPM too, but that is a legacy machine. All the rest of my machines do you have a TP M chip in them now, it is true that my legacy machine is from 2009. So I don’t know how much longer that machine’s gonna last anyway. So we’ll just have to see. Now the rest of my machines do have TPM too, so does that mean that I’ll be able to run windows unsupported with TPM? That’s what we’re gonna see. Now as far as Blocker is concerned Well, if it doesn’t go hand-in-hand, what if I don’t want to use Blocker. So for Microsoft to be pushing this, again, makes me wonder, if writing to our congressman in the United States or taking similar actions in other countries, to try to stop Microsoft from being allowed to do what they want in entering that customers there needs to be some kind of legislation that will put a stop to this insanity. Maybe something like what we saw in the European union with the USB-C maybe we could have something in America and the European Union, which prevents Microsoft from being able to push things and shut people out for many different reasons I could see many laws that could be an effect that Microsoft would be breaking for this. Environmental laws, Other possible regulations, but I don’t know what those would be. But just saying. That this is what lawmakers need to do. Especially for the vulnerable population who would like to use computers. The other thing I would like to see is people a lot of people probably have machines that have TPM two on them, but they are not turned on by default for some reason on some older machines so maybe, it would be a good idea for a tutorial on how to do it. Yes, I recognize it bio slightly different but the general idea of how it would be done. Now somebody said that this would take affect in windows 25 H2. But here’s an idea here’s a hint or maybe a question that you might want to answer. What if this canary thing may be beginning to have Windows 12 features what if this is Windows 12 beginning to possibly be released in 2025. So maybe Windows 12 would require the TPM chips. So what about that? I’d be curious to know about that Windows 11 would be, probably released maybe in 2026 2025 alongside a new windows 11 I don’t know. But I wonder if something is brewing. Then windows 11 would be supported till probably 2030 or 2032 so that’s something to consider. Again this is all speculation. I understand that there’s gonna be more bit luck usage in windows 11 yes but we’re gonna find out aren’t we ha ha. And the final thing I just want to say is, by then, they’ll be more people using newer machines, cause a lot of these older machines might be gone by then. I mean, my legacy machine is still going, but I don’t know how much longer it’s gonna last it could last two more years. It could last 10 more years so by then it may not matter. But I still think Microsoft needs a bit of a talking to and some serious lectures from customers and lawmakers on how to be a better company. OK, thank you very much for this video and I appreciate all the work that you’ve done and look forward to hearing more updates on this in the future and I’m sure I’ll have comments on this when we see what happens later this year. Take care all.

[@Dude_99981]

start with windows 11 ended up in the middle road of windows 11 same version of windows, but somehow in the middle of the journey they decided to revamp the whole requirement, it's nut, it's nut, not even windows 10 have done this since the OS first came out

[@Rabid-Pinocchio]

If Windows is going to force me to make a umbilical cord to the mothership so that they have access to my data, well it's been a long time coming but bye-bye Nadella and hello Torvalds. Microsoft is no longer creeping into our private lives, they are stomping in the door and screaming 'deal with it'. We''ll see if there are ways around this crap but if not, adios Microsoft I can categorically say that I will not be back.

[@brunojoseph-xl8fh]

aleady been bypassed

[@vitali1964]

Bypass removed will be on 25H2 not on 24H2.

[@simsforeverplay9999]

no not 25h2 it will be 24h2

[@daverayman8865]

I make you right

[@WilliamHollinger2019]

This will make Linux os the number #1 os of all time.

[@Key-Premise]

Lmao! Keep dreaming, buddy. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY uses Linux for work.

[@erickanter]

Your irrational exuberance is silly. Get real.

[@xgamesmfzb5838]

They've been saying this for decades. Most people at the office, the average joe, don't even know what it is, or that it even exists (and very true, at work, they want familiar stuff. They don't like change. They'll never touch LibreOffice with a 10 foot pole and relearn everything). However, they do know they can buy a Mac.

[@gwgux]

@@Key-Premise Except super computers, the vast majority of Internet servers, IOT devices, networking equipment, developers moving their applications from being a Windows app to something that run in a web browser, China, the German government, hackers, and millions of people in the tech community who are fed up with Microsoft's direction for Windows and have decided to go their own way. Linux IS used for work a LOT. It's just not as often seen on PCs and laptops, but just because it's rare to see a work PC or laptop running Linux, it does not mean it's not used for work. As the governments in Europe and Asia keep working towards removing their reliance on western companies (this includes Microsoft), they will keep pushing forward with developing their systems. Linux has proven itself in every area except for traditional PC and laptops. However, that is slowly changing and Microsoft is actually creating the need to keep trying to break out of Windows with their "less than popular" decisions. This one decision won't make Linux the number one OS of choice of all time, far from it, but it will still push at least some people with the will and technical skills to act.

[@JeanPierreWhite]

I wish that was true. Folks will simply stay on Win10 and get hacked.

[@Appalling68]

There is a non trivial way to get around all this nonsense, but requires a bit of skill. There is a piece of software called NTLite that will allow you to edit a Windows 11 iso and disable/remove all these restrictions plus whatever else you’d like to do, then save the newly edited iso for you to use as the installation media. However, NT Lite takes a bit of effort to learn how to use, plus you must pay a small amount of money for it. But I know from experience that it indeed does work.

[@zetectic7968]

Everyone knew this was going to happen! By definition unsupported hardware is not supported & MS was never going to drop the TPM 2.0 standard. Quit whining like children and accept that MS is no run for the benefit of its users. Sidenote I had a forced upgrade to Outlook(new) that is 💩& doesn't work properly. Took me 5 or so minutes to revert as toggle removed: either I jump to Thunderbird completely or pay to use Outlook classic.