Windows XP graphics card benchmarks - 950/960/970/980/980Ti/HD7970

[@bco1981]

Nice, i was planning on a high end XP build, i have a i5 4690k, and was thinking of getting a gtx 780-ti for it. Since that's the fastest officially supported gaming card. But i found the moddified drivers, and see the 970 is a very nice performance. And i happen to have one on hand which is just collecting dust right now. Thanks for the driver, and the review :)

[@RetroKomodo]

Sounds like a perfect build for overpowered XP gaming! If you have trouble with chip drivers etc try the snappy driver installer on sdi-tool.org/

[@hayaschu626]

Ur narration is so good

[@RetroKomodo]

Thanks!

[@evenleven]

Just want to say thanks for the very informative vidoes. You seem to do much of the same tinkering used to do :p Especially liked the 4670vs3850 agp videos. Awesome work on that driver investigation. I did not know the difference was that big.

[@RetroKomodo]

Thanks! I found it a bit of an eye opener as well! I should really have included more driver versions to test, but not all would work on the cards..

[@KWXVDIA]

very well done video!!

[@abijeetrs6522]

Amazing channel you earned a sub!

[@RetroKomodo]

Welcome aboard!

[@r4z4m4t4z]

well spoken , nice vid. you cant beat 980ti powa but the 960 can be so cute.

[@TheVanillatech]

960 was a disgrace. I waited for it, because I didn't want to spend £315 on a GTX970, but after the delayed release the card was so gimped and so over priced, I ended up buying the 970 anyway! Even an R9 270X beat the GTX 960! And the R9 280X, which cost 30% less than the GTX960, absolutely destroyed it! Despite it being a rebranded 7970Ghz on ancient GCN architecture. The 980Ti was a brilliant card, but it cost £560. Sure it was super powerful, but just 11 months after releasing it, Nvidia dropped all but critical fixing support for it in their drivers. One of the most anti-customer moves they ever made. Imagine spending almost £600 ($800) on a brand new card, only to find a few months later, in the eyes of Nvidia your card was no longer relevant or worth supporting... My friend was a lifelong Nvidia fan, one of those stupid people who bought Nvidia NO MATTER WHAT! Until that happened to him.

[@RetroKomodo]

Ouch!

[@Fahrenheit38]

Love the video, I’m also in the middle of a XP build. Where did you find drivers for that mobo for XP? Also, I’d love to see a cpu shoot out. I have a 2500 and I’m not sure if it’s worth going to the 3600 for XP

[@RetroKomodo]

Thanks! Drivers were put on using the 'snappy driver installer' which you just run and it installs everything! It's a hefty download for the whole thing though - something like 20gb, but it has all the drivers you'll need. The 2500 & 3600 - CPU?

[@Fahrenheit38]

@@RetroKomodo might have had my part numbers wrong lol, I mean second gen vs third gen Intel core cpus.

[@RetroKomodo]

@@Fahrenheit38 Ah! I think the last generation you can get away with a proper XP install might be Haswell? Not tried with 1151 chips, but an i3-4170 for example being 3.7ghz dual core would cost peanuts on eBay, and fly though XP. I can't remember anything much using 4 cores, but I'll be doing an example gameplay footage video on my improved 'ultimate XP PC' and we should see all the core usage on afterburner!

[@beyshadow]

@@RetroKomodo Would an i7 5775c work?

[@RetroKomodo]

@@beyshadow it's 1150 from the looks of things, so it should do - yeah,

[@JimProfit357]

The AMD card is worth keeping if you ever plan to use an XP build on an (U)HDTV, as the Geforce drivers only allow limited range colors via HDMI under Windows XP for some reason whereas you can get Full RGB at 12bit per channel with Radeon drivers. You might not get ultimate performance at super-high res (or MFAA), but you'll get better picture quality and I can't think of any XP-era game that wouldn't reach 4K60 anyway.

[@RetroKomodo]

How bizarre! Thanks for the info - not something I'd thought to investigate!

[@JimProfit357]

@@RetroKomodo Credit goes to Philscomputerlab's video on Geforce VS Radeon for retro gaming. AMD has a handful of strengths when it comes to that actually.

[@RetroKomodo]

@@JimProfit357 his is one of my frequently visited channels!

[@mordecaiepsilon]

The HD 7970 came out in 2011 and the GTX 980 came out it 2014, so a decent showing from the HD 7970, minus the power demand

[@mordecaiepsilon]

It was definitely more of a 600 and 700 series competitor

[@mordecaiepsilon]

Great video

[@RetroKomodo]

@@mordecaiepsilon yup - now I have a Titan Black (essentially a 780 Ti) so I may revisit! Although I sold my 980..

[@klitzkop]

I'm going to use a 980 ti, for my windows 7 build.

[@brandonupchurch7628]

I think the Titan X would be the fastest possible card to stick in an XP system, although the Titan X only has a small amount more CUDA cores than the 980TI and the Titan was treated more like a professional card and every one I've ever seen is the reference design with the blower cooler, I think EVGA shipped a factory OC'd version but I think they were mostly stock with a stock cooler, a stock 980 TI and Titan X were pretty much always neck and neck in benchmarks, so a factory OC'd 980TI like the one you have compared to the Titan X would probably come out on top.

[@RetroKomodo]

One day I'll find a Titan X I can afford and do a comparison!

[@semihgursu]

How can i install XP to my system? I tried before and i Got error. I have Asus Rog strix impact z87 with i5 4590k and bought gtx 980 rog. Could you help me for installation ?

[@RetroKomodo]

Are you trying to install to an SSD? Doing a Google search for 'install ssd windows xp' will come up with lots of results which should help!

[@semihgursu]

@@RetroKomodo Yeah im trying to install SSD

[@RetroKomodo]

@@semihgursu I suggest looking at Phil's computer lab videos like this one kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y5-9cpt7ZbiYqq8 which is what I did!

[@semihgursu]

@@RetroKomodo i follow also this guide. You just follow only this? Did you do anything different i mean setting, maybe special XP ISO?

[@RetroKomodo]

@@semihgursu also this kzbin.info/www/bejne/iZWxeGqPftKFh7M

[@toe21510]

Спасибо, товарищ!

[@RetroKomodo]

Пожалуйста!

[@vinhtq115]

What is the software used at 0:40? The room resembles the one in 3DMark 2000 but I don't remember this scene.

[@RetroKomodo]

Can't remember and i've been trying to find out - I must have recorded it from something though!

[@RetroKomodo]

Found it! It's from the Madonion XL-R8R, and you can see that bit at kzbin.info/www/bejne/gnbZhmZuZamAaJI

[@GUCFan]

Wonder what those numbers would be with the Titan X. Got lucky and found one for cheap, i just have to rebuild my XP rig because the friggin motherboard died after i tested the card.

[@RetroKomodo]

I have one now too! That PC config no longer exists though, but in the future I could do a 'Testing Maxwell cards on modern games' video or something?

[@GUCFan]

@RetroKomodo That would be a pretty good idea!

[@diegotor5643]

Nice vid, i have a gtx 960 gpu for my windows xp extreme personal build 😅, i have a question tho, i know that these benchmarks are high for XP OS and that all that GPUs are just overkill for XP gaming😂 but back in those days what was a "normal" high 3DMark06 score? I read on some old forums that back in those days with decent parts they got scores around 8000

[@RetroKomodo]

For that, I'll need to build a completely different PC ;)

[@diegotor5643]

@@RetroKomodo😅 I know sounds crazy right? But i guess back in those days the got around 8000 or 10000 the benchmark score with decent parts, but anyway this benchmarks of yours are crazy good!!😂

[@MDFGamingVideo]

Wish there was a driver mod for the R9 290.

[@RetroKomodo]

Not a card I have.. maybe some enterprising modder might have done something though?

[@dsfsdfsdf4925]

I'm going to try and get a 980 ti drivers working on XP SP2 not SP3. might be a challenge lol.

[@RetroKomodo]

Might not be ;) kzbin.info/www/bejne/bGTSnnmehZJjn5o

[@j7ndominica051]

That GTX 960 is big. I have a more compact WindForce variant. It's not that powerful to need to be this big. I'm surprised that the adapters came this close. The older 3DMark 2000 maxes out the CPU usually. 99 and 2001 might refuse to run at all. 03 is what starts to show the difference. The outlier FurMark was OpenGL. Maybe that could be investigated further with GL games like Half-Life, Quake or Euro Truck Simulator 2. I don't think ATI were as good with old software compatibility. They also had the bloated control panel.

[@RetroKomodo]

The old ATI drivers were always an issue for performance. I tested a bunch on my 3850 and they were all over the place

[@jimmyf2618]

Omg I have been searching for years about something with the 980 on windows XP, all I could find it random stuff on forums , here it is in the flesh , a 980 running on windows XP. Can you post a video how to actually get it running on windows XP

[@RetroKomodo]

I think this is what you need! Driver download link in the description 😃 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bGTSnnmehZJjn5o

[@7MBoosted]

I would be interested in adding the gtx 780 and gtx 780 ti to this list.

[@RetroKomodo]

Ah. Would that I could, but I don't have either! I maaaaay go look on eBay though - see what I can find.. ;)

[@TheVanillatech]

Yeah, even MORE Nvidia cards! XD The 7970 wasn't even the R9 280X, that was the Ghz version. Just a plain old R9 280, which cost the same as the GTX 950. The R9 280X cost less than the GTX 960 too, until tech reviewers noticed the 280X absolutely destroyed the GTX960, and Nvidia had to quickly knock 35% off the price of their new card. I'd like to see an equal spread of ATI + Nvidia cards. We already know Nvidia are going to spread their tiers.

[@RetroKomodo]

@@TheVanillatech I'd like to have more cards to add!

[@agdgdgwngo]

I found a GTX 760 2gb was more than sufficient for XP gaming. Even a GTX 260 can deliver playable experience in crysis.

[@EdwardLedger]

What is better for VR gaming? GTX 960 or XFX 7970?

[@RetroKomodo]

Unfortunately I don't have any VR gear so can't really comment! I'd assume the 960? I'm sure there must be some web articles or videos floating around that would give a proper answer though!

[@EdwardLedger]

@@RetroKomodo because im waiting the INTEL ARC A770 (peoples think im doing a bad move picking that Arc instead of a Nvidia Rtx 3060ti) anyway, i tested xfx 7970 3GB and MSI GTX 960 4G.. i can say, that xfx is really underrated and it works really good even with VR (RaceRoom 70fps on fullhd all ultra, MSI GTX 960 its almost the same) haha but on heaven benchmark it does respectively 1198score vs 1274 (on full hd all ultra/extreme tassellation) but.. lower fps 8(gtx 960) 12(xfx) - maximum fps 106(gtx 960), 132(xfx) - avg 45(gtx 960) - 44(xfx) .. so its like that i dont know what to sell and what to keep 😵‍💫

[@RetroKomodo]

@@EdwardLedger hmmm.. it might come down to which will be supported for longer with drivers then? I was looking at the Arc cards too, but not much use for XP :)

[@greatwavefan397]

The GTX 970 is the least powerful GPU that supports VR.

[@arnislacis9064]

I have LGA1366 system for high end Windows XP gaming. Currently I own MSI GeForce GTX 960 Gaming 4GB and MSI GeForce GTX 980Ti 6GB gaming. I want to what performance difference would be between 960 and 980Ti.

[@RetroKomodo]

Well this would be the right video to watch then! There are others on other channels of course 😜

[@mariastevens6406]

I have the non-ssc version of your gtx 960. Plenty strong enough to max literally everything on XP out

[@RetroKomodo]

Absolutely, but if given the chance to go massively over the top - I'll take it ;)

[@mariastevens6406]

@@RetroKomodo overkill certainly is underrated ☺️

[@michalm3848]

Hello!! Can U tell me how u install driver HD series 7XXX on XP? I will be obliged.

[@michalm3848]

I have 7790 Asus 1Gb. I dont have any idea how make to install this drivers on XP Pro 32

[@RetroKomodo]

It looks like the last drivers were the 14.4's and they're on the AMD website - here is the direct link www2.ati.com/drivers/14-4-xp32-64-dd-ccc-pack2.exe

[@michalm3848]

or i makeing mistake but where??🤔@@RetroKomodo

[@michalm3848]

my last GPU on this PC is a hd4850 and I dont have problem with drivers for XP 32. Mabe I should mast to uninstall all mother board drivers? Its weird. @@RetroKomodo

[@michalm3848]

It dosent work @@RetroKomodo

[@georosculet6505]

Something is fishy with your Radeon card because it's 3DMark scores are quite low. I'm running a Radeon HD7950 on a similar system (CPU I7 4790 with 2 cores disabled in BIOS, Mobo MSI H87-G43, RAM 4GB Kingston@1600MHz CL9, OS Win XP 32bit) with Catalyst 14.4 version and in 3DMarks I have the following scores@default settings: - 2001: 85602 - 03: 116913 - 05: 40990 - 06: 26933 Bonus: Doom3@1280*1024 Ultra Quality: 403 FPS

[@RetroKomodo]

I think it was behaving strangely, so I flashed the BIOS on the hopes it made it stable. It's entirely possible the one I put on that 'fixed' it might have partially nerfed it as well.. I may have to revisit it - not touched it since this video!

[@jackjones6936]

No support for Nvidia Titan X 12gb Maxwell with modded drivers?

[@RetroKomodo]

For that I believe you would need this! kzbin.info/www/bejne/bGTSnnmehZJjn5o

[@johncollins5552]

Did you use xp with or without all the servicepacks installed, minimum installation is what I prefer.

[@RetroKomodo]

My disk installs with SP3. Maybe some day I should do some testing with no service pack, then SP1 - SP2 etc 🤔

[@j7ndominica051]

New drivers as well as other new software requires SP2 or SP3. No need to have a minimalist install if you're using a powerful display adapter.

[@RetroKomodo]

Fair point!

[@antonelrotaru20]

How do you manage to run 3DMark 2000? It doesn't work for me with any tested video card. All other 3DMarks work but version 2000 does not. It doesn't start. I have Windows XP SP3. Thank you in advance.

[@RetroKomodo]

There are patches you can use to make it work. Try looking on the Vogons forums - I think that's where I got it!

[@antonelrotaru20]

@@RetroKomodo I tried with all the patches. It doesn't work with any.

[@RetroKomodo]

@antonelrotaru20 hmmm 🤔 unfortunately I decommissioned that PC ages ago and reused the drive so I can't go back in and test to see! In all honesty I haven't been able to get it to work since either..

[@antonelrotaru20]

@@RetroKomodo No problem. Thanks for the quick reply and for trying to help me!

[@antonelrotaru20]

I managed to make it work. I reinstalled 3DMark 2000, copied SystemInfomfc.dll from 3DMK2000patch (patch no. 1) and set the Windows 98 compatibility mode. So yes, it's worth trying again and again until it works.😊

[@juhani6307]

TITAN X works in XP too

[@RetroKomodo]

After the same driver modification as needed for the 980 etc - yes it does. But I don't have one ;)

[@ViperBenchmarks]

What's the most demanding game on WinXP ? Witcher 2 ?

[@RetroKomodo]

I always assumed Crysis because, well it's Crysis.. but yeah - someone suggested Witcher 2. I should really get that one of these days!

[@ethanwasme4307]

do these plug into windows xp era motherboard?

[@ethanwasme4307]

lol yes i also have that exact same strix 980 GPU since 7 or 8 years ago when i built my current win10 rig... i still get 60+ fps on ever game thrown at it!!

[@ethanwasme4307]

actually to be honest... i didn't realize windows xp run on such modern hardware...

[@RetroKomodo]

I'm a bit hazy on the dates everything came out and was then discontinued, but browsing Wikipedia it looks like PCI-E was introduced in 2004, and main support ended for Win XP in 2009? so there was a good overlap. Intel Core 2 Duo CPU's for example came out around 2006 so you could have easily had a Core 2 system with full XP support from the manufacturers. Digging around online it seems Ivy Bridge chips from 2012 are apparently the last cpu's with Win XP support? So I guess the most modern officially supported hardware would by an Ivy Bridge system with a GTX 960?

[@ethanwasme4307]

@@RetroKomodo this information is more helpful than you realize... i found one of maybe a handful of people selling old computer components in my country, this makes my possible next hobby project easier to digest!

[@JamesSmith-sw3nk]

Architecture can be a funny thing. Far Cry 3 plays a LOT better on my i7 4790 & gtx 1060 6gb, sata drive than on my rx 5600 and rtx 3080 pc , nvme drive. Both with windows 10 and 4k. For whatever reason, I have to fps cap the ryzen system at 30fps or else it's unplayable, massive texture problems, sometimes they won't even load, all I get is sound.

[@RetroKomodo]

That is just plain weird.. Blood Dragon as well?

[@FLMKane]

Possibly driver issues. Does Nvidia have new drivers for that game on the rtx 3080?

[@Z2KRetroGaming]

Agree the 960 and 970 are the most "sensible." If someone has a PSU with two 6-pin connectors the 970 is logical, but it's pretty easy to take a Haswell workstation, slap in a 960, and have a XP gaming monster for $100 total.

[@RetroKomodo]

Plus 960/970 cards are often fairly easy to get hold of

[@DanielCardei]

correct it 890ti ;) i do want a 890 ti. Sounds rare

[@RetroKomodo]

Oooops!!

[@RetroKomodo]

Changed!! :)

[@crazygramaffects9793]

Titan black or 980ti the best for retro PC Win XP?

[@RetroKomodo]

The Titan Black is a Kepler based card and the 980 ti is Maxwell based so newer to start with. Think of the Titan Black as a slightly faster 780 ti, because that's what it is! www.guru3d.com/review/nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-black-review/ essentially says there is little to no difference with the 780 ti - if you have both I'd say 980 ti for the win ;)

[@bojinglebells]

Yeah, Titan Black is Kepler, the Maxwell Titan X (not the Pascal Titan X) or Quadro M6000 are going to be the most powerful, uncompromising GPUs for XP, but I'd wager the 980Ti is going to be negligibly slower, the most glaring difference being 6GB of RAM vs 12GB (or up to 24GB on the M6000) which should be thoroughly irrelevant for XP.

[@weelebaseknowles4410]

Hd7970 seems like a good xp deal if u find it for cheap

[@RetroKomodo]

Mine cost about £60 from eBay. Looks like there are some cheaper ones at the moment!

[@weelebaseknowles4410]

@@RetroKomodo ya I got a gt 730

[@nashcomp]

You must be love XP so much 🙂

[@RetroKomodo]

Well I guess most people have a Windows 10 PC for games these days, but when I was growing up, XP was the operating system that opened up PC gaming to me. I'm 44 now, and everything is so powerful it isn't too difficult to run games at decent settings any more. But back in the day, trying to build a PC build to play Crysis for example? That was a lot more fun than it is now. There were so many new technological breakthroughs in gaming hardware and so on that it was quite an exciting time to play around with different parts. These days everything seems to be evolutionary updates - 'same as last year - just a bit faster'. Back then it wasn't evolutionary - it was revolutionary.

[@bruhmandude555]

i hear that a 1030 isnot that bad of an xp card

[@RetroKomodo]

Interesting. I thought the most modern Nvidia card that can run on XP was a 980ti - with modded drivers of course. I don't have a 1030 to test, but I've never seen XP drivers that would work with it. If you could point me towards something I can potentially investigate? But everything I've seen says there is no driver support for that card in XP besides the generic driver used to get into the system.

[@bruhmandude555]

@@RetroKomodo i saw this guy use one obvious ly not the top end but it look like it works kzbin.info/www/bejne/qqmadX6nd6tqbtE

[@bruhmandude555]

I need to update my self i do want to say i watched the video a while ago but he is running in windos 7 you can play xp games in 7

[@RetroKomodo]

@@bruhmandude555 Oh absolutely. The 1030 has plenty of Windows 7 drivers!

[@bojinglebells]

@@bruhmandude555 big reason to use XP over 7 (or really anything Vista and newer) is for hardware sound support

[@prezeskodaty4637]

radeon x1900 xtx is the most efficient for windows xp but radeon hd7850 with catalyst 12.4 driver for newer computer games

[@RetroKomodo]

If I had either of those cards I could add them in to the list! But I don't :( If nothing else this just tells me I need to buy more stuff on eBay!

[@Z2KRetroGaming]

The X1900 XTX is an ancient card compared to any of these, and isn't in the same performance universe. The 7850 is a lower-tier card in the same generation as the 7970.

[@prezeskodaty4637]

@@Z2KRetroGaming radeon hd7850 radeon hd7970 do not have a backward compatibility microchip for directx 9 installed, therefore the gddr5 video ram memory on the graphics card will show errors if the manufacturer does not make drivers with a directx 9 emulator, therefore radeon x1900 xtx is the most efficient graphics card for windows xp

[@prezeskodaty4637]

@@Z2KRetroGaming intel core i7 980X intel core i7 3960X radeon x1900 xtx geforce 8800gtx geforce gtx 680 high end for windows xp

[@VikingDudee]

Making the AMD card sound like its garbage, considering how much older that card is compared to the nvidia cards you are putting it up against, its honestly doing quite good for its age, and would explain the power draw.

[@RetroKomodo]

Well benchmarks never tell the whole story do they? I should really have done some testing on it to find it's best performing drivers first to make sure it was represented better! I believe I added it as competition against the 960, and it did ok I think 🤔

[@janosordos7643]

hi there, nice video! i have similar setup (Gigabyte X79-UP4, i7 3820, Asus rog strix 980ti. but i got only 20000 in default 3dm06🥲 under WinXPsp3. with totally same config under win7 i got 30000🥲

[@RetroKomodo]

Thanks! Aaaah.. maybe I should install Windows 7 then 🤔 I'm working my way towards it, but at the moment 7 is still too new for me 😉

[@janosordos7643]

but there is something wrong with my setup. According to video, your setup is doing under WInXp over 30K points in 3DM06. @@RetroKomodo

[@RetroKomodo]

@@janosordos7643 I imagine it's because of my 4790k and different memory speeds?

[@janosordos7643]

@@RetroKomodo 13000 points difference? no. as i stated, under win7 i reach 30000. 33 and 30, thats difference explained by your better cpu.

[@RetroKomodo]

@@janosordos7643 just one of those computer difference things I guess! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯