WINNERS & LOSERS - New Subclasses in Patch 8 for Baldur's Gate 3

[@remortisgaming]

That Remortis guy sounds like a dork.

[@Gnipify]

You dare insult the great Remortis? Who the hell do you think you are?!

[@JB-xl2jc]

Yeah, get 'im! Show 'im what-for!

[@autodidacticpoly]

as a fellow 5e knowledge bro. Yes, yes he does.

[@Jasper_Hill]

Straight up poindexter

[@kuystalheim5427]

What do you think you sound like

[@remortisgaming]

Also think of the Starry forms for the Druid to be like the Spore Druid form. You just cast it and you’ll get an extra ability or two depending on the form.

[@dualwieldroxas358]

I remember running a Stars Druid, and my party and the DM misunderstood the class and had the stars change thier formation based on the form i took, and we ended up inadvertantly creating a star cult over the course of the campaign, and after two years they suddenly enacted a full scale coup at Waterdeep. XD

[@fallingupwards7974]

I'm a little surprised we didn't get Oath of Conquest paladins or Undead warlocks. both of them are already in the game as enemies

[@greenchilistudioz4537]

I was expecting Celestial Warlock and maybe ice domain? (Does it exist?)

[@MarkD5678]

@@greenchilistudioz4537 Ice domain does not exist, even though it really should

[@casteanpreswyn7528]

I was really hoping for UA content like the Raven Queen Warlock or the Chronologist Wizard.

[@bearandthebull2372]

Tbf we already got a super extensive mod of it that goes all the way to 20. It's pretty much already IN the game better than they could generally do it,so they probably just didn't bother.

[@Zee3po]

Glamour Bard Condition: Mantle of Majesty Duration: 10 turns Concentrating on Mantle of Majesty. Can still cast any of the spell's variants on any target each turn. Halt, Approach, Drop, Flee, Grovel. That seems pretty powerful actually.

[@galantemoon]

Originally Mantle of Inspiration grants allies more movement speed too. This subclass is an amazing enabler/control one, but it's such a lackluster compared to the other colleges we have right now.

[@SkyNinja759]

Unless the target is charmed, you have to pass the check (assuming wisdom) for the ability to do anything and it has a recharge of long rest. Not really worth it, the cooldown is too long and it's just one charge of command without them having failed another check to begin with if they're already charmed. I hope it's better than I lead on but I don't see glamour competing with the other bard subclasses, especially college of swords.

[@dkeane6152]

Does it? Looks really underwhelming tbh

[@gangstersnow]

sleeping on the sorc darkness spell is absolutely crazy. regular darkness is one of the strongest spells in the game already, but giving you free sight in darkness takes away its only downside making it arguably the best spell in the game. while you can call it cheesy, it doesnt make it any less strong.

[@mordeciao2200]

I've done something similar with a warlock that has devil sight. It's absolutely disgusting the AI can't compete. Gg ez mode

[@Beautifulconversation]

It's actually so nice to have front loaded content. Makes me actually not skip through the video

[@alexfoster3507]

I swear I remember this guy from Kahn Academy.... You got me through university calculus.

[@italianspartacus]

Hahahahahaha I've gotten that before!

[@afroapache]

*bladeschlong climax???* im sold

[@icyfresh0077]

I'll have what he's having

[@djnorth2020]

Yup climax on your enemy and you're friend at the same time Owo 😂

[@Chewie571]

Dammit beat me to it.

[@Kaiser0hmega]

Let me guess, your favorite movie was Se7en?

[@afroapache]

@@Kaiser0hmega WILD 😭

[@MichaelCampbell01]

Missed you, man! Loving to see some new BG3 content from you!

[@italianspartacus]

Thanks for sticking around! Love that you're enjoying the new content! :D More to come brother

[@dwimors]

Your format for content and fun-first approach is always welcome. Thanks man!

[@italianspartacus]

Thanks bro, I'm glad you enjoy the content!

[@WorkAccount-v2o]

It doesn't seem to be on the wiki yet, but the Shadow mastiff's BEST ability is if its is attacked by a melee weapon that doesn't do radiant damage, as a reaction it splits off into a second dog that acts on it's own(similar to raised zombie's crawling gnaw) which I believe also has the same reaction. I was talking with a buddy, and while we don't endorse it the wording is "attacked" and doesn't specify by an enemy. So you can technically hit your own dog with a weapon you aren't proficient in then attack the clone with second attack and essentially generate 2 dog clones per turn. A Micheal Vick build if you will.

[@benkelly7182]

Lol

[@Shadow6OO]

Another great thing is that when the already split dogs split themselves, it doesn't cost a reaction at all. It only takes the 1 reaction on the main body for the avalanche of pups to begin. AND the split dogs can actually stick around for a while even if the main dog is finished. The one downside is that it seems like the split dogs only use entangle, they don't seem to want to bite at all.

[@Lyscian420]

Embrace durge with minthara run. Lmao

[@WorkAccount-v2o]

@ so worst comes to worst you send out a dog army to make sure no enemies move XD

[@ventrue7]

For College of Glamour you realize that it gives you a bonus action command that lasts for 10 turns and doesn't spend spell slots right. You need to click the actual ability to see it and from the leaks they do have that 10 turn as a condition.

[@toxtricity1984]

casting command once per day is not going to matter at all

[@Zee3po]

@ Wrong. Mantle of Majesty allows you to cast command actions, i.e. Halt, Approach, Drop, Flee, Grovel EACH turn for 10 turns.

[@falsetitle6940]

​@@toxtricity1984It's *every* turn for 10 turns once per long rest

[@nathanieljefferies5491]

@@Zee3pothe problem is that it is CONCENTRATION. And the charm from glamour tho does not trigger a save, the problem is that it only lasts a single turn which sucks cause it is applies on enemy turn so it becomes irrelevant

[@lenam317]

It is amazing if you restrain yourself so combat last more than 1 or 2 turns but I doubt most people like it.

[@northofself]

I usually don't comment on misspeaks, but "Bladeschlong Climax" is a hilarious colocation of words 🤣

[@italianspartacus]

Hahahahahah I like to keep the screw ups in

[@Zahri8Alang]

Circle of the Stars; Starry form is the closest thing to a Sailor Moon character i can get in this gameeeeee

[@misterfevillord1588]

Or saint seiya

[@SkyNinja759]

Sorcerer is going to be an absolute unit. Darkness spam with a small warlock dip is already broken for a sorcerer; now they get to summon a minion that synergizes extremely well with the playstyle. - The minion loves to be targeted/hit because it splits into more copies similar to the codexes from XCOM 2. - It get the ability to regenerate sorcery points for the caster half it allies a tag on it's bite attack on an enemy. The follow ups occur when _any_ ally hits the enemy with that damage type; stacking cold damage with HoH and the ice spells (ray of frost spam with the ice gear gets even better), or going the lightning route and nuking enemies. - The ability to entangle enemies inside your darkness clouds or HoH as a minion's attack action along with the splitting feature means it can get out of control very quickly to lockdown the entire battlefield. Sor-lock went from S tier to S+ with this subclass; two warlock levels for devil's sight then full sorcorer. To me it is a clear definitive winner for the strongest subclass addition to non-exploit abusive playthrough (ie. not abusing infinite sorcery points, full on stealth archer, or other 1 turning mechanics).

[@grimnar6725]

Yeah. He missed out entirely on how broken this build is going to be lol. Can't fucking wait. I hope they don't make any major changes before it drops and I get to enjoy it

[@shinkicker404]

It's been a while since i've played but isn't Darkness busted in the way it (doesn't) works? Like you can't cast through it?

[@SkyNinja759]

@@shinkicker404 If you have devil's sight, the warlock level 2 feature, it ignores the blinded effect while inside the darkness. You can cast and target enemies without penalty (even with advantage if the enemy doesn't have true sight as well). I don't know offhand if the cloud has an overlooked bug that you can't see through the cloud from the other side. I played a darkness themed playthrough a long time ago, and I think you can target all the way through it like normal with the feature. I know 100% that's how it works with HoH though, as my go to was darkness my party then HoH the enemies; my party was able to look past the HoH, even outside of their own darkness, and target anything as usual.

[@sundanser]

@@SkyNinja759 yeah hoh doesnt block projectiles, but still blinds inside of it.

[@uttrik]

Swashbuckler with a hexblade dip for SAD with charisma, booming blade, and medium armor and shield. Grab the martial adept feat for the riposte manoeuvre, equip a good shield and Phalar Aluve, and you have a pretty good frontline "dualist" type character that can efficiently trigger sneak attack on off turns and act as the party's face.

[@waterenchantress7619]

Maybe is wortg to try Warlock 2 for invocations

[@Zagarth12]

The tough part is the bonus action throw from Berserker is so potent. Thrown Balduran Giantslayer maybe?

[@nyanko2077]

Shadowheart Death Cleric Solo Honor run incoming

[@bautistavazquez6295]

Literally gonna respec her

[@mightythor-9286]

Yup I’m ready

[@NateWalley]

That bard subclass is crazy, 100% chance to charm on hit, without wasting an action or reaction means you can chain it with hellish rebuke and shield bash and other reactions ontop of the charm that does not MISS. its going to make solo runs way easier.

[@dude99ful]

“Oath me down daddy” had me choking on my food

[@Duckman1616]

In regards to the swarmkeeper, if that blind is a guarantee and not a saving roll, that sounds amazing. On demand, 100% blinds, at range, is crazy. That alone makes me excited the the class.

[@W1Robur]

It's constitution save with spell save dc

[@theclassypsychopath1448]

Hey, for anyone who doesn't know.. if you make another character a warlock and bind a weapon as a pact weapon then respec them the weapon will stay a pact weapon and can be used for dual wielding with a different warlock

[@Rockin501s]

you got me at "Oath me down Daddy". Altho, I look at the crown being an ultimate tank and party support option

[@catztail]

I’m that guy the three I’m most stoked about are the losers, lol. Love your videos!

[@dualwieldroxas358]

I am so excited for the mods. Rumor has it that part of the stress test is the alphas of the first ever campaign mods~

[@tobak952]

awesome video. I very much share your excitement for the Hexblade and Bladesinger.... but you did the College of glamour bard so so dirty... Mantle of Majesty isnt "just command", its ten free bonus action casts of command... in many cases without a saving throw... winner winner chicken dinner, theres a new control monarch in the game!

[@bbbk123]

its once per day, isnt it?

[@tobak952]

@@bbbk123yes but lasts for 10 turns. and long rests are unlimited as even partial rests will reset the abilty, so thats a bit of a non-limitation except in no rest areas

[@kfiraltberger552]

Idk I'm super excited for oath of the crown. I can use warding bond, spiritual weapon, spirit guardians, the oath charge for a cooler compelled duel, polearm master and sentinel. But I love the tank in all games, so maybe it's less exciting for other people

[@grimnar6725]

That shadow sorc sounds great... It seemed to me from the way you glossed over everything it does and just focused on the hound that you're missing how incredible that sub class is going to be. S tier imo. Have fun exploring it and let me know if I was right when you catch on to why 😉

[@christopherpenner831]

College of Swords and Swashbuckler for my pirate character

[@Inastewpopotogo]

Thank you "some guy on the internet" really been enjoying all ya content. Def gonna have to try the barbarian as soon as its out, hands down the best caster:) PS Had to look up this Remortis guy, and yeah...def a dork😁 Edit: 24:32 Dammit! now I have to play sorc as well

[@remortisgaming]

Ah. Shadowblade is psychic dmg. The real reason death cleric is nuts is from Bursting Sinew a new spell added that’s a corpse explosion cantrip. It deals 1d10 piercing dmg and scales like other cantrips. It’s aoe. Can be cast twice on same corpse at the moment. So that’s a 2d10 AoE cantrip. Can use bhaalist armor to double that further.

[@DarthAssViolater]

i became stricken with cancer trying to read that sentence

[@trentonthomas3127]

That sounds intentionally unbalanced and wack... tf we doin here no way they need this early play test to figure out if that's out of scale or not

[@TinMan445]

@@trentonthomas3127lol😂

[@remortisgaming]

@ well it’s a save or suck spell. If they save they take no damage.

[@Icortherainwing]

Paired that with a Beserker (or Throw Barbarian) and start chucking corpses. Actually, Mage Hand plus Goblin Corpses.

[@BorgWolf359]

I am going to try them all out! BG3 is great for replays of different builds! Star Druid is the 1st one I'm going to try out! I love the idea of Patch 9 & Patch 10, hope we get those!

[@TheMythriel]

Been missing ya Spartan!

[@panzer00]

I'm super excited for Swashbuckler

[@Tyberes]

worth mentioning that Arcane Archer isn't *quite* true to form in terms of coming from 5e to BG3. mechanically yes, but the numbers are WAAAY better for Arcane Archer in Bg3. In 5e you only get 2 shots per short rest full stop. There's a bonus feature LATE in the class where you can regain 1 shot for free when you roll init if you're empty, but generally Arcane Archer is consider pretty bad just on how limited it is. I'm absolutely *thrilled* that they're upping the amount of shots you get.

[@italianspartacus]

Yeah i love the scaling of this!

[@SenseiJeager]

missed u brooo, lovely to check out a new video from u

[@1wing1]

swordbard6, arcane archer3, swarmkeeper3 looks like a nice build with titanstringbow, good sustain, lots of targetselection and options shadowsorc + oath of crown paladin looks like a fun beyblade build, concentration saving throw proficiency and spirit guardians make him pretty spellslot efficient, together with sorc charges etc

[@lapushka9388]

Circle of the stars chalice and a dip of life cleric makes for a really powerful support healer.

[@ilkid9373]

So regarding the hound, I think it can be pretty potent and especially earlier on, but I believe the enemy gets a con save to resist the omen. I can see using something like scorching ray to get a ton of sorcery points but I really wish we had the 5E hound. That one gives disadvantage on saving throws for enemies within 5 or 10 ft of it I can’t remember. We already have ways to accumulate a lot of sorcery points, and I know we have heightened spell but the ability to have this on potentially every spell is better imo. Con saves are also the worst save to target, especially on honor mode when you factor in bad hit chance and favorable saving throw.

[@johnbarry3869]

"Going hard in the paint" is A classic Sparty phrase!

[@italianspartacus]

STOLE IT FROM TURIN!

[@NFordham]

I just play the start druid it's really good you just highlight yourself basically and get ranged arrow attacks as a bonus action you can still talk to people everything it's not like a animal shape... lvl 3 rouge for thief I think it's going to be super interesting

[@ahrenstarr6273]

The Star Druid mod was solid. Starry Form from the mod was basically like Spore Druid, where it applies an aura. It doesn't transform you into a wild shape where you lost your equipment. Will be curious to see if it is the same. Was a nice alternative to running Cleric.

[@onetruehaldir9059]

I actually like the idea of 8 levels oath of the crown alongside 2 levels of bladesinger, oath of the crown is a good tank option, then you can use the last 2 levels for warrior (action surge) or maybe hexblade warlock

[@Pogchimpin]

Any news on cross play being able to stress test? I’d love to play with friends and give feedback

[@Cal12517]

Blade singer with the phalar aluve sword is gonna be my go to lol

[@Mirrorfanboy1912]

14:46 it was :).Can't wait for it in this one!

[@AgunziLFC]

Really looking forward to the Way of the Drunken Master, the monk is so strong and lots of fun to play. It was my first and fav play through ( 8 monk, 4 rogue ). High hopes that this sub class adds to the enjoyment.

[@dylanv3208]

Ah man I downloaded it again to try the new classes. Damnit I didn't know they were out.

[@DyzziMusic]

The stars druid sounds like the best healer in the game now imo

[@WilliamTheByrd]

Starry form is busted in tabletop. The arrow ability is particularly good, since you get to fire it upon activating as well. So you can go into combat, hit a guiding bolt and an archer bolt and melt single targets. Bonus action attack roll spell without concentration is nuts.

[@BuckysKnifeFlip]

I think you could do something good with a Gith Swarmkeeper using the moths. Use Braindrain Gloves and invest heavily into the tadpoles for even more psychic damage options. Plus Braindrain gloves set up other party members CC spells. Resonance Stone perhaps for the vulnerability to psychic damage. I was going to use this idea for Conquest Pally, but ill need to wait for that mod to be updated.

[@AntonyMBenedict]

It's amazing that this is FREE and not a DLC. Lot of companies would release a DLC with half of the contest

[@nicmana6637]

i am looking to firaxis and civ 7

[@rmcbean5699]

I'm so excited for Bladesinger man. I am going to play it as that annoying mosquito in the enemy backline. Also a really good thing about it is that I don't think it will compete for the most OP items that other classes really like. For example, it will be amazing with that ring that stacks arcane aquity on melee hit and the classic combo of the ring that lets you cast an enchantment spell as a bonus action off melee hit. So excited to play it.

[@gregoryshinn9805]

Thanks for the video

[@allenfox7186]

Definitely going to do a shadow sorcerer and rogue multiclass. The darkness spell that doesn’t make the user blind is super powerful for sneak attacks. Though before I do that I’m going to do a pure shadow sorcerer build to get the mechanics down.

[@thebigyes8482]

There’s a ring you can wear that makes you 100% immune to blindness, you can probably be a bit more ambitious with a dozen new subclasses lol…

[@allenfox7186]

@ true, that’s just the first thing that came to mind att. Also didn’t know about the ring. I can find other ways to multiclass it once I figure out how the class works once the patch is officially released.

[@SkylerWallaceUS]

3:51 "Bladeshlong climax" Totally calling it that when I play through again with my buddies.

[@matt.coburn]

So excited for the idea of a Death cleric/Necromancer wizard

[@zerofoxgiven9859]

The Monk's built in disengage was amazing in 5e, and should be good in this if you know how to use them as a skirmisher.

[@keenanmcwhorter7803]

When you said you were just some guy on the internet, go have fun, that’s when i knew you deserved my like

[@Vitrolin2408]

Wildshape, Giant's Rage, Enlarge, 20ft tall Owlbear from the top rope

[@joeking3057]

Drunken monk with the wand from act one that summons a zombie can solo the dragon in act 3 I think. Since he only has one attack per turn you can force him to attack the zombie instead

[@Narklas_unavailable]

obviously death domain cleric wizard mix is going to go places. its basically a necro wizard, but with a working early game. ofcourse you need to focus on int to pop off late, which you can either get by respeccing, or by lowering you wisdom and early power in exchange for the juicy 17 int start. Access to all cleric spells and all wizard spells up to 6th tier, combined with the new execute necro cantrip (casting twice) and lifesteal on spell kill or tribpled on necro spell kills sounds like the most powerful build possible in bg3 after patch 8 release. 2 necro 10 cleric for grim harvest and divine intervention or necro 6 cleric 6 for more and improved summons (heavy wizard spell emphasis) sound both amazing in my head Also very excited for Starform Druid, tho i believe the original forms are still superior. With that star druid will not be able to beat circle of lands in spellpower and wont beat circle of the moon in melee/flexibility, makes this more of a RP choice. Yes im aware the chalice is very good for healing, but we all know, healing in bg3 is bad, as it doesnt deal damage. Bladesinger sounds like the hybrids i like to play, but only having access to some 1 handers and no real power for your meleeswings, makes this class just a better wizard. Still its an upgrade. Hexblade... i dont know.. sounds like its the same as picking up pact of the blade... do we get 3 attacks combined? will it be 2 attacks in honor mode? who knows... anyways... great class, great subclass, greatness all over the place, but warlocks are sick no matter what you do. Arcane Archer sounds cool (by name), but dissapoints HARD... i dont see the part where this is arcane.... anyways.. it is a decent class, but it is basically a Battlemaster using Bows. Im still WAY more interested in Eldritch Knight class combos (maybe with the new bladesinger?) Those are the subclasses im personally most excited for... it doesnt mean the others are bad... i personally believe swashbuckler and drunken master are going to break the game, but i just would prefer to play any of the above. Swarm hunter... i hate hunters so i cannot be bothered Shadowsorc... well if you like assasin mages... there you go.. i hate stealth so this is a big nono... sounds very cool tho would play this in skyrim any day XD Path of the Giants doesnt impress me.. its on the class i absolutely dont like to play and frenzy is clearly the better version of it. being big doesnt give many advantages, but makes your character look stupid for the most part. (also Karlach surely doesnt need to be any bigger) College of Glamour... i dont know.. sounds pretty shit.. will never be as fun as Swords college Oath of the crown... well.... not a big paladin player, but if i want to play paladin it better be an oathbreaker

[@owmu7821]

Just a note for circle of stars Druid - it’s pretty similar to the tabletop version, and from experience, it’s pretty strong. I would argue that if you want to play a blaster caster Druid, stars will be better than land due to the bonus action 1-2 d8 + wis attack. Plus, free castings of guiding bolt will be helpful early on. Less spells known, but the Druid list is pretty good later in the game. Also, if you are playing honor mode or using difficulty mods, concentration checks are a lot more important so the dragon form might be clutch. Agreed re: Hexblade though. Kind of a similar thing with the subclass in tabletop right now as the 2024 players handbook changed pact of the blade to work similarly to how it does in BG3 (CHA for weapon attack and damage rolls).

[@courier6960]

If arcane archer synergizes with sneak attack like I think it does, then assassin / arcane archer / gloomstalker multiclass is going to go absolutely crazy

[@maxb2244]

I never got sneak attack to stack with the battlemaster maneuvers. Here's hoping the arcane archer shots do.

[@SoundDarkness13]

I wonder if you can use shadow mastiff to put a fire omen on Karlach, set her on fire, and turn her into a metamagic engine

[@Mystra]

Appreciate you ❤

[@charlesboots6508]

I clicked on this video thinking "I wonder if he's as excited for the Genie Paladin as I am?" before I realized this wasn't about the tabletop Unearthed Arcana released earlier this week, but about upcoming Patch 8 in BG3! I'm just hoping to get my first level 20 modded playthrough done before Patch 8 drops & borks all my mods. Edit; I want someone in the know to explain why they chose Oath of the Crown to make official when Oath of Conquest is right there! That Level 6 Giant Barbarian feature is awesome! New Thrower meta? The Shadow Mastiff recharging your sorcery points is fantastic!

[@justino3991]

New paladin is definitely best not multi-classing. The later spells are the best part for sure. Spirit guardians with an aoe taunt sounds great. Also can stack lots of dice for crits with elemental weapon and improved divine smite plus regular smites.

[@stephonjones4734]

I wonder where we're going to find the circle stars robe.

[@travisrobertson4034]

Swarm Keeper/ Circle of Spores has potential with a lvl 20 cap.

[@derrickbonsell]

Bladesinger is flavorful but it's not really any better than just being a wizard, though I guess you could do some interesting things with multiclassing.

[@shl6367]

Bladesinger isn’t really for melee. The bladesong is mostly for the help with survivability and concentration

[@SuperFizzah]

Bladesingers having their buffs changed from scaling with intelligence to proficiency bonus is understandable but feels like a nerf.

[@SageOfLimitlessHands]

I have heard of bladesingers and they sound awesome

[@snakeman830]

Shadow Sorcerer's Darkness is special in two ways: One, the sorcerer themselves can see though it just fine. Two, you can also cast it for 2 sorcery points instead of a spell slot. Also, the mastiff makes clones of itself as a reaction when hit by a melee attack that doesn't deal radiant damage (so, everything besides paladins). The clones are weaker, but have the same reaction.

[@StormSeeker1337]

That sounds so cool.

[@ProbeAway]

Sorcerers can already cast darkness using 2 sorcery points though. Just convert them into a 2nd level spell slot lol

[@snakeman830]

@@ProbeAway This lets you skip that action, which can be handy in combat.

[@ProbeAway]

@@snakeman830 true, but if you're going into combat with no second level spell slots and planning to cast darkness, that's a user error. I'm not denying that it's nice to have, it's just pretty insignificant compared to the other class benefits (like being able to see in that version of darkness)

[@helios3217]

I’m excited for the fighter

[@1wing1]

the biggest problem with hexblade is that pact of the blade exists. Why make us choose? Why only benefit from one? I understand them stacking would be too OP but then hexblade was just not a good choice of additional subclass if you homebrewed bladepact. getting all the proficiencies and boni at level 1 together with the shieldspell is a huge frontload of power, however. Its cool, but pact of the blade is kind of useless then. giant barb is worse than zerker because he cant bonusaction throw, both are overtaken by fighter at lvl11 anyway drunk monk is worse than open hand and shadowsorc is just the best lvl1 dip in the game lol PS you missed that star druid cant transform into beasts and uses their charges for the starforms instead

[@mace7077]

Dude wow, I can't wait to hear more about "the bladeshlong climax" 🤣 omg good save but still heard it

[@OldManMoko]

Question, How long does the Champions challenge last? Couldnt you cast it then cast sanctuary, giving all enemies an ongoing disadvantage debuff?

[@chetmanley1885]

I want to do my first evil run with a total bastard party, death cleric with a giant barb carrying a bag full of -corpses- future explosives, Swashbuckler party face for pirate and pocket sand. I'd like a necromancer in there for the vibe but don't think there will be enough bodies to go around.

[@zawarudo3643]

I don't want to be wrong but isn't Inflict Wounds in theory a melee attack? Because in that case it would be strengthened by the Death Domain Cleric's Channel Divinity

[@owmu7821]

Yes, inflict wounds is a melee spell attack so it should definitely work! That’s how it works in tabletop - tbh, it kinda feels like inflict wounds is the intended default ‘vanilla’ application of the channel divinity.

[@vampireguy92]

Why are most of these stupid good?! Like they said how to make things more awesome and boom made most of these amazing. Cant wait to get back into it

[@kamikaze82]

Rakish Audacity is a game changer!

[@pinkyyyd23]

legion of bees + spike growth + grasping arrow 🤯

[@Tentacl]

Oath of the crown doesn't seem to ba a looser in my book. Spirit weapons + AoE taunt without having to multiclass alone sounds like a lot of fun... and control.

[@airekofvinlandslayerofthes7965]

6 Hexblade Warlock with 6 College of Glamour Bard sounds so freaking nasty. Controlling the

[@kylepennington-hirth9129]

I'm mostly interested in arcane archer a dexterity fighter but looking forward to it.

[@ZeoffArcaneOfficial]

The wording for bind hexed weapon. I don't think it inherits the weapon uses "charisma modifier" effect that it does in tabletop (since Bladepact has it now). It doesn't seem like it'll matter to warlock players since they'll just take both, but it's important to check before people start trying to 1 level dip for Charisma weapons like in tabletop.

[@jurandspychow3766]

1D6 DAMAGE, WOWAWIWA AMAZING meanwhile pierceadin hitting for 120 a swing and fire sorlock for 180 a spell

[@aknightofcamelot]

Will they imbed new gear into the game to combine with these new sub-classes?

[@CleopatraKing]

Sorcerer Wizard subclasses are my first thought. Ofc there's the flagship optimal Bladesinger10/fighter2 which will deffo be the most optimal. It is in 5e so it'll likely be in bg3. Sorzards tho have a lot of unique ideas. Storm/singer and draconic/singer are standouts, especially considering the enchanted items u "find" in creche y'llek. Being able to cast spells and then fly, and natural mage armor with elemental proficiency is hard to beat. Shadow sorcerer's pet in 5e is an undead creature so necromancer wizard and all the lovely items for ur depraved minions will obviously become very strong. The biggest issue in these are MAD characters(multiple attribute dependent for those uninitiated) but with the amulet of health from the house of hope, and the different charisma raising items I can deffo see it working out.

[@CleopatraKing]

Upon reviewing my thoughts Wizard6/sorcerer4/fighter 2 will most definitely be the optimal build going forward. With a potion of speed, and action surge, u can cast 4 leveled spells in a single turn. With a gloam stalker or something, throw a water jug on an enemy. And on ur turn cast *4 lightning bolts, normally doing 32d6(1/2 on save) now does 64d6 lightning dmg.*

[@wesseagroves8567]

so we can get bind hexed weapon and then at lvl 3 take pact of the chain and get a familiar?

[@Monique-iz8lp]

The loser classes largely came off that way just from the description, Swarmkeeper is the guy who brings a jellyfish into a gunfight, and Oath of the Crown is the nerd who gets ostracized by other nerds for being too much of a nerd.

[@RamathRS]

Toll the Dead isn't great. It's in the same boat as Sacred Flame. Both are DC spells, rather than Ranged Spell Attack spells. Yes, Toll the Dead has a higher damage die, but it is also Necrotic damage; a type that is resisted (or negated) far more often than Radient damage. The real issue is the fact that it is a DC spell. DC effects are FAR easier to avoid than Attack rolls. 5e has a serious balance issue when it comes to DC vs Att. The "balance" allegedly comes in the form of still being able to do half damage if your spell is reaisted (as opposed to doing nothing if you miss an attack roll). Cantrips don't get this option. They get the worst of both worlds. THEN you toss in BG3's proven dice imbalance, and you're in for a miserable experience. Later, half way into Act 3, you can stack your DC, at which point Sacred Flame and Toll the Dead can become fun and reliable. Until then... have fun spending two and a half acts crossing your fingers and hoping the game rolls a 1-3 on their saving throws.

[@justasprapuolenis2432]

i really love hexblade but it's kinda awkward cause pact blade deepened pact and another martial class or even swords bard with extra attack is prolly more efficient for multiclass options

[@Saffreuge]

hexblade basically deprecates pact of the blade... it's a bittersweet moment if I say so myself

[@marcosfelipesolerfonseca3996]

Actually, it's the other way around! Larian improved the pact of the blade with some features that belongs to hexblade (and one eldritch invocation), like the charisma scale on the weapon and the extra attack, and now that the hexblade is here... yeah, hexblade kinda trivializes the pact of the blade, but it's not hexblade fault

[@MarkovChains223]

@37:17 I think you're *really* overlooking/undervaluing Champion Challenge's main advantage is over Compelled Duel: that it is an AoE ability. That is MASSIVE (especially as a bonus action)! You can get *a lot* of enemies within 30ft of you pretty easily, forcing them to either attack your high AC, high health, self-healing character, or attack with disadvantage against *anyone* else. Compelled Duel forcing only a single enemy to either attack you or attack with disadvantage is underwhelming because it only effects a single target. So, you'd probably want it to be a boss, in which case they're probably going to have high enough attack stats to hit you consistently and/or spells and AoE abilities that dont care about attack rolls. With Champ Challenge, though, you can effectively make an entire group of enemies' attacks practically pointless. As a tank that uses this ability, you should have high enough AC and survivability that most enemy attacks against you are basically meaningless. And, all of your allies, pretty much regardless of build, should have high enough AC that attacks at disadvantage against them will rarely hit. Like, you can easily hit 5+ enemies with that ability in quite a lot of fights with little, if any, set up. Hell, you could just use minor illusion before a fight to group up enemies, have a caster start the fight with an AoE spell, then send your paladin (presumably with the Alert feat) in to use CC on the rest of them to keep them from doing anything effectively for the rest of combat. You could even do things like hit the group of enemies with champ challenge, then have another party member cast sanctuary on your paladin, so now all of those enemies can ONLY attack with disadvantage. For a level 2 ability that only costs a bonus action and refreshes on short rests, thats pretty damn good! It is, at least, *substantially* better than Compelled Duel!

[@Evil-Never-Dies]

“You know what? Whose socks are these?”

[@johndaniel6443]

I heard bladesong climax and idk now i want Bayonetta to be the patron of this warlock 😅

[@nadirafurry]

great weapon master swash buckler. strongest melee character for level 4.

[@Hari-Harmonies]

I am so looking forward to this but so salty that they didn't add the fey wanderer ranger 🤣😅