Winspace SLC 3.0 Full Cost Breakdown |

[@VeloViking]

I have built all my bikes the last 10 years and I value the feeling of “knowing” my bikes in and out🙂 Of course this means that I also have had to invest in some proper tools during these years, but as I also do all services on my bikes this pays off as well. I swap out bottom brackets, change brake pads, bleed the brakes and so on! Tinkering is a big part of my cycling hobby 🙂

[@thewattlife]

I love this side of cycling- only problem is it makes you very attached to each bike and you never want to get rid of them!!!!!

[@VeloViking]

@@thewattlife I know, but I sometimes you have to to get “room” for new projects 🙂

[@paulwebster4499]

Ive been build bike for over forty years, I can build an old school mech std frme in two hours tops. not sure how great it is building these modern super expensive bikes?

[@crossrich]

Great video, i saw your binge in your latest video about the OSPW and almost asked for a video on this. low and behold you've already delivered. Cheers

[@shankeong6753]

I own the SLC 2.0. That frame was good for the money. However, Chinese brands are starting to price themselves out with their latest models and pricings. Why will I buy a Winspace when a Canyon or Giant is about the same price? One thing also about these Chinese brands is that their resale value is horrible. Much better to buy some other brand and get more money back when you need to upgrade in a couple of years.

[@jrasero23]

I agree but I just got a T1550 1st gen with free bars and upgraded shipping for $1602. I looked back when I bought my T1500 disc with bars and I paid $1500, so $102 increase IMO isn't bad. Secondly, yeah the resale can be bad but I got $900 for my T1500 frame, granted I sold it in 2022 when the used bike market was still garnering top dollar

[@FliskerX]

Yea for 6000 pounds I think you can get the latest Aeroad w/ Ultegra

[@jrasero23]

@@FliskerX the “New” Aeroad is $6600 USD with Force before the $100 shipping so really it’s $6700. Granted that’s still a great deal and most people would forgo building a Winspace for $700 more however the key thing is even with Canyon getting drastically better on cockpit fit, some people still might want to change the cranks, chainrings, saddle, and want even narrower bars so all those adjustments can really add up. For me personally I am a 2XS for Canyon and while the new quil system is brilliant when dealing with integrated cockpits I would need a larger stem and I would prefer the aero drops which is like $430 more not including install. Meaning that $6700 SLX is really like $7100+

[@bugabutu]

SLC 2.0 rim brake is their best climbing frame

[@jrasero23]

@@bugabutu I could see this because weight wise for rim brake it would be right up their with an Aethos while being greatly more stiff at a fraction of the price. My issue is that for me is sourcing rim break electronic groupset parts are pretty hard

[@AlbertBuckinghamEllison]

I said that I would feedback on my T1550 build (105 di2, Hunt50's) - Absolutely awesome. Carbon layup looked good, bearings snapped in perfectly, great feeling frame. She's heavy compared to my lighter SL4 but once up to speed she's more comfortable on UK roads and faster (I usually average 18.5-21mph on rides) I had a couple very minor defects with the paint finish I'm waiting to hear back about but I'll still be keeping the frame. The headset arrangement is simple and clean, not too hard to work on. The cable routing also pretty straightforward with a routing tool. The open thu-axles I prefer on this frame as there's less risk should you cross-thread or wear the threads out over time. This SLC really takes my interest and I would love to see a comprehensive review of the C2 'all-rounder' which is outstandingly priced as it is a road and gravel frame. If you could take it on road as well as off for the reviews I'd love to know your opinions. Comments section too!

[@jrasero23]

What defects do you have on your T1550? My fork has some areas where they sub hazardely painted and have slightly jagged edges. They refunded me $50

[@AlbertBuckinghamEllison]

@@jrasero23 1) Front logo slightly offset 2) Paint scuff under cross-tube close to down tube. I have the white and black one and it's where the graphics are.

[@FoobsTon]

This explains why Max was a bit on edge when he visited that trendy bike shop in London the other week. It wasn't so much the trendy hipster bike types, but more he fact he had left a 6 grand bike on a London street for more than a milisecond unattended! Enough to bring anyone out in a cold sweat. 😂

[@thewattlife]

I FEEL SEEN!!!!!!!!

[@jrasero23]

Built up a T1550 w/ SL 0 Bars a month back and with SRAM Force D2 Groupset w/ left sided power meter and Red chain/cassette, Winspace Hyper 23 D45, BBInfinite Ceramic BB and Jockey Wheels, SWORKS Power Mirror Saddle, and with all the bits and pieces came to $6K USD and that's with shipping and taxes and even a LBS building up my bike, which is kind of like you are quoting more or less. Maybe the SLC 3.0 is more akin to an all arounder or a Specialized Tarmac, but either way to save $2K-$3K going Winspace if you are okay building a bike and not having a big name Western brand, IMO is a massive savings, granted Canyon, Giant, and whatever more value oriented brands really start to brush up against builds like yours and mine and make you question if building a bike with a Chinese frame is worth it. My one argument for that is at least with Winspace you have to pick ever part best suited for your wallet, geo, and performance level, while with complete bikes you just get what you get

[@TBat0431]

Great idea to break it down ❤ thanks for your consistency ❤

[@rgpeters]

Great breakdown, I just built my Winspace Agile a few weeks back and it comes out at £5098 which I think is pretty good value for a 7.1kg bike, with a 45/50mm carbon wheel and Ultegra group sett. I did buy the Zero SL bars, BBinfinte T47 + pulley wheels which was about £397, Hope RX4+ disks & brake calibers for another £350 and Dura Ace rear sprocket at half price £165, so I could have save myself £500--800 on the build

[@muratmustafa4532]

Thanks for the informative video. It is not much cheaper than value brands such as Canyon. Also frame price from the UK dealer is more expensive. Probably wheels are more expensive too. The bike might be good but for that money I will want a big brand built for the support and research going into the frame development.

[@muratmustafa4532]

Also Decathlon Van Rysel with Zipp 404 is now £5k with Force group set which is a pretty similar bike.

[@thewattlife]

Ultimately once there are full distributors set up who can sell whole bikes it probably isn’t 100% fair to compare the costs. But this is at least a good breakdown for ppl to see

[@muratmustafa4532]

@@thewattlife Yes it was a helpful video. I was wondering if I could buy a reputable Chinese frame bike for much cheaper price compared to the big brands. But it seems this is not the case currently. Of course things might change in the future. By the way, yes it is cheap compared to Specialised but Specialized (and sometimes Trek) is overpriced in my opinion.

[@Nehpets1701G]

Sounds like a great price. I do love the top end Specialized bikes, my brother had a Venge and SL7 and they were beautiful. But If I was given £8k play money, I'd get a Winspace and build it up, probably in an Ultegra spec, and spend the rest on a nice indoor trainer like a Wattbike so I always had a compelling option on a miserable day 🌧. Great video 👍

[@jrasero23]

Something being vastly overlooked in building any frame is fit. If you know your SOH, reach, stack and know what works best for you spacer wise and overall than building a bike is perfect because in theory you can get a bike that fits like a custom suit vs an off the rack suit. I can’t contest to the current gen geometry of Winspace since it has changed a lot but the last gen T1500/T1550 in a size 44cm Small with 85mm X 380mm bars and 30mm of spacers fits me spot on. Winspaces half sizing in terms of their bars is odd but for me the 85mm fits like a 90mm traditional two piece stem and bar combo due to how it’s measured. People will bring up just buy a Canyon or Giant but for the Canyon after switching the stem and drops the bike is really $7100 and a Giant I would need to change the crank length, stem length, and preferably the handlebar width so that again dramatically changes the price. Listen if an off the rack bike fits you that’s great, but a smaller rider like me building up a frame makes more sense the issue is that most modern carbon race frames bare min start at $2700-$2800 not $1600-$1900 like Winspace

[@thewattlife]

Ah man this is such a great point. Crank length- stems, there’s a lot of stuff that might end up throwing up extra costs after buying a bike

[@andrewmurgatroyd9214]

It is a nice bike for the price. Yet I built a bike from aliexpress a hygge s integrated carbon bars 38/110 with force upgrade set a pair of tubular wheels with sapim xray spokes tufos a gxp crankset at 580gr with 39/53 a riro 12 speed cassette 11-30 160gr. All together with pedals and bottle cages 7.2kg and it's an aero bike. Routing was done in 30 mins even though first time for me. Cost 3500 euros.

[@CycleXplorer]

Prices are getting much closer. Put the Specialized through a cycle to works screen like Green Commute Initiative and it could be cheaper!

[@cornelhughes6763]

Considering the cost of a SL8 Pro, that's really about a 500 pound difference. The pros though are that you have a fully customized bike while with the SL8 you will probably have to change some of the supplied components (eg handlebar, crank, pedals, seat).These changes may run you well over 1K. If a tarmac you are better off buying their frameset and then customizing. There will also be a cost to having the fork cut in order to fit the rider.. I have also noticed that its very difficult these days to find a tarmac sl8 in stock

[@thewattlife]

The SL8 PRO is £8k

[@thewattlife]

So for a SL8 Tarmac PRO you save £2.6k

[@cornelhughes6763]

@@thewattlife you are correct but if you buy the sl8 frameset, we are essentially talking about 1100 pound difference for a better bike which will better maintain its cost. Note this is coming from someone who has decided to go the Seka route (waiting list) vs the sl8 pro

[@thewattlife]

Yeah you’ll be able to resell a SL8 and there’s a market for them. Maybe not with the Winspace. Which SEKA have you gone for? I like the look of the Exceed but the Spear looks insane

[@cornelhughes6763]

@@thewattlife Spear RDC. Could not resist. While i await its arrival, i am getting some components in place for it

[@Richard-qe7st]

Depends which country you’re in - here in Oz you get the latest Giant Propel Advanced Pro or TCR with Ultegra di2 for under AUD8k (say £4.2k). So … get a free flight to Australia and take a (likely better) bike back to the UK with you for less than than Winspace …..

[@highfived]

Excellent video

[@FliskerX]

Like the video, but in terms of price of the bike, Windspace is nuts. The NEW Aeroad CF SLX 8 Di2 Speed, is 5,999 pounds. With ZERO hassle/time investment. No bulding it up, no asking in shops where they just get annoyed because you're not buying the bike from them etc. Just getting TDF winning bike, ready to ride bike for 5999. I did understand chinese frames before when it was like half the cost of Canyon or Giant, but now, this is ridiculous, it is only for people who like building it up, I guess.

[@thewattlife]

I think you are missing a few things here- firstly the Force version is £6,499. This also comes without pedals so another cost, albeit small. Plus sealant. Comparatively, this bike is 18% more expensive which is £1000. That’s no small chunk of change. Canyon is direct to consumer, and some bike shops don’t like that, much in the same way they might not want to work on a foreign brand. I see your point, but good quality and saving £1k… not to be sniffed at

[@FliskerX]

@@thewattlife The Force version is 500 more because of the 404 Zipps not not because of the Force itself (I bet). And who wants the hookless wheels anyway?! As for Ultegra vs Force, it's probably the same level. I have Ultegra and it's like race car shifting, I can't imagine how Force would be better. It's just that Canyon has weird setups. But there's always the SL version with 105 for 4.5 or Rival for 4. It's just I don't know. As others pointed out, this is a hassle, it's a "chinese" frame with painfull support and bad resale value. There is so many very significant negatives and only positive is "it's little cheaper for this one particular setup". I'm curious how this unfolds in future years but it seems to be heading to more and more expensive chinese frames which is going to hit a wall quick I would imagine. Like the 2k Tavelos.

[@thewattlife]

As the quality comes up the difference in cost is going down. I think you are right, in many cases. Buy a bike from somewhere local because lots of things can happen and you might need help. Customer service counts for a lot. The Winspace SLC and a few other brands are in many ways more interested in being seen as a serious bike frame manufacturer more so than actually selling bikes. They send me frames and wheels which I make public, but not once have they actually asked me to share a link or tag something or push for sales. Just sharing my thoughts but it seems like they want a good reputation

[@FliskerX]

@@thewattlife All good, I enjoy the videos :)

[@davidcarino6500]

Great video, i build all my bikes.

[@michaelbruyninckx3656]

It’s a SRAM Groupset, not a Shimano Groupset as you mention at 3:03 🙈 😊… good tip for the Strava QR code.

[@thewattlife]

Ha I didn’t even pick up on that!!! Yes Sram groupset, Shimano lock rings

[@1carusjohn32]

@@thewattlife Just lost your SRAM sponsorship deal!! Lol --- Rotor costs? Seatpost Costs. I recon you have missed a few hundred of the build cost. Ah! you remembered the pedals.

[@thewattlife]

Rotors were in the cost of the groupset. Seatpost comes stock with the frame with 2x clamps. I think other than a tub of grease I’ve done everything. 🤓 I don’t use a foam on the rear brake hose

[@paulwebster4499]

Getting towards canyon aeroad prices is it better?

[@DanTuber]

Winspace, Tavelo and other chinese brands has shot themselves in the foot with these higher prices. Unless you've already got wheels and groupset, then it makes no sense doing a full buy & build like this.

[@thewattlife]

True perhaps. But I think there are ppl who will want to upgrade frames from old bikes. We need a full straight to consumer bike though

[@jrasero23]

Yes they are higher but not insanely much. In 2022 I bought a T1500 Disc with bars for $1500. I just bought a T1550 1st gen with free bars for $1602, so just a $102 increase. A new SLC 3.0 with discount is $1602, granted there is no current promo offering free bars, but if history repeats itself I bet you anything Winspace will offer some kind of free bar promo, but even if you included the bars with discount the frame and bars are $1863. Name me one big name brand or Western brand frameset that starts at that price let alone provides a free cockpit. Yeah you have the Specialized Allez Sprint which is $1750 with shipping but that is a heavier frame and if you include a cockpit or a stem and aero bars the price is closer to $2200.

[@thewattlife]

I have a discount code somewhere too. Think I was meant to share it

[@neilfox9540]

You can get a Super Six Evo High Mod with Ultergra Di2 and Cannondale's best Hollowgram carbon wheels for £6,500. I'm left wondering why I would bother tryjng to build up a Chinese frame.

[@thewattlife]

Well, not to be facetious, but you get to not ride a Cannondale and have a £1,000 to go to Spain with

[@neilfox9540]

Not a Cannondale fan then I guess 😂 suppose I thought the £ difference would be greater compared to a stock high end bike from a premium Western brand

[@thewattlife]

Nah I do get it. But think finding an extra £1,000 isn’t always easy to spend on a bike or hobby. Ultimately I haven’t built a cheap bike, having the luxury of not having to pay for frame etc I could put money into the groupset. So performance wise I feel like I have a bike that’s up there with other bands, I love it, I love the way it looks, and it rides great. This is just me building a bike and now I get to ride it against an SL8 and see what the difference is

[@sAmiZZle82]

My only question is, how did that bike balance itself in the middle of the street for this whole video!?

[@thewattlife]

That cost extra

[@thewattlife]

🤣🤣🤣

[@Nauli82]

Che posto meraviglioso ..dove ti trovi?

[@thewattlife]

Eton. Near Windsor

[@Randombourg]

Shimano or sram ?

[@muratmustafa4532]

He mis said Shimano couple of times but the built looks like SRAM.

[@thewattlife]

Shimano lock rings for the disc rotors. But the group set is Sram Force with power meter

[@ozgurinsan]

Not cheap.

[@thewattlife]

Nope, but reducing cost wasn’t the goal. Could have gone 105 or Rival and power pedals, would have dropped a load off the cost. The question is- do they still provide good value? It seems like people forget that £1,000 is 1,000! It’s not small amount of money, so saving that is a good thing but only if the bike performs as well as bikes of a similar quality/price point

[@englishdecorator]

Second hand value about 2 grand 😂

[@thewattlife]

I know people with Madone Gen 7’s that can’t sell them. 2nd market is through the floor. But yes, lesser known brands will be harder to pass on for resale