Winston Maxey: The Snedden Creek Mystery

[@Khanjikai]

She did her father proud. May he rest in peace with his name remembered now.

[@NatureLover-62]

@Khanjikai, well said!! I am so impressed by Lori’s tenacity to not let his whereabouts go unanswered and here she has found him and has established a FB page in hopes of finding who and why someone caused her biological father’s death. Lori grew up to be a wonderful woman that yes, her father would be proud of.

[@daynasafranek7807]

I’m so glad that she never gave up her quest to find her father and I’m so sorry to hear that he passed away. Rest in peace, Winston ❤️🕊️

[@scotlandshistory]

Poor Winston. He never really lived a life. Well presented as always DC.

[@Dr.Gunsmith]

What a good looking handsome young man, i feel really sorry for Winston he never got the chance for a life and to meet his daughter. Heartbreaking.

[@shanthicleckler7060]

❤ The lead actor in Saltburn looks just like him!!!!

[@shanthicleckler7060]

😬 I do!

[@fredalwatkins4506]

He was small, young and good looking. His good looks probably got him into trouble. Probably hitch hiking and picked up by a pervert. That would be why his pants weren't on

[@naomisgram1]

My daughter was adopted at 3 days old in 1981, she was also born in Idaho and her mother also stayed at the same home for unwed mothers as this lady did. Her Mom was 16, her father 18. She knew that a marriage with him, especially at their age would never work out, so she made the tough decision for adoption. Luckily, the agency through which we adopted kept in touch with us and also her birth mom, and when my daughter was 17, they met. This answered a lot of questions for my daughter, she found out that her birth mom married someone else later and she has 3 younger half siblings to her delight. She also has met her birth father although she hasn’t kept in touch with him. We enjoy a nice relationship with her birth family.

[@Bee-ly4gx]

Beautiful story.

[@aluvrianne]

Nice!

[@jameshoopingarner]

God bless you

[@DanStar87]

How bittersweet 😢 his daughter came looking for her dad, and after all the searching, a deceased young man gets his identity back and his daughter (in a way ) it's incredibly sad but it's got a silver lining, hopefully he wasn't murdered and it was some tragic incident, I hope his daughter finds the answers! Btw her father was incredibly handsome 😮

[@MonicaPage-j2u]

Wasn't he so sad so young 😢

[@jamiemohan2049]

It's ironic that he was called 'frog' boy as he was classically very handsome. He could have been an actor or model.

[@IdahoRanchGirl]

Kind of like the frog that is actually a prince in fairy tales

[@marjayasmr]

Well they didn’t know that when naming him. He was so badly decomposed.

[@shannonmcneely9034]

Very handsome young man. R.I.P Winstin. You are not forgotten. Y I u have a daughter tat lives you because blood screams out to blood .

[@jamiemohan2049]

@@marjayasmr yep, I'm aware of that. Poor boy.

[@akiraasmr3002]

Chill out though he was underaged

[@saml8967]

That was a very sad case. Thankfully Winston was finally identified and his biological daughter knows who he was.

[@DamianMaisano]

I really appreciate cases like this being brought to light. It’s likely it’ll never be solved but we’ll never know if they are buried

[@morrighaninspain7258]

Thank you DC for sharing this sad story ❤

[@sandeesimons6045]

I'm sorry that I cannot afford to join. I'm an old woman on a fixed income and can't even afford to fix my only vehicle. I would LOVE to donate lots of money to you and my other subscribed channels. I'm lucky if I still have food in my kitchen the last few days of each month. I'm so sorry.😢

[@bkitteh6295]

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[@FortheLoveofMonsters]

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[@LisaMattie-rn4bw]

I feel for you , I don't have either!

[@jodygrulich8695]

Do you live in the US? I could send some resources to you online.

[@thomasmcloney1437]

Keep enjoying your shows guilt free. You are not on your own. Good luck and God bless. ❤

[@kskssxoxskskss2189]

So amazing how this science can bring families together. But the hearts still have to be open. Simple genetics will never be enough.

[@sallykohorst8803]

Wow what a great story and thanks for sharing.

[@Language_Guru]

Wow! That is a convoluted case. I hope it is possible to find out how Winston met his end.

[@akiraasmr3002]

Yes the pants being found near by but not on him makes me think he was either raped or sexually assaulted and then killed and left in the water to decompose or they moved his body 5 weeks after he died so nobody would find him and put his pants near by him.

[@SerenDipity64711]

Bless Lori on her continued search for answers. Beautiful and with so much life force, rest in peace Winston❤

[@fokkdritt]

Forever one of the best female voices in true crime 💪🏻

[@NannupTiger]

@@fokkdritt Agree. So many of my favourite true crime channels are British or Irish 😊

[@tevman69]

RIP, Winston.

[@magnus1001]

Very sad that Winston's life ended-possibly by homicide- at the age of 16 but to have law enforcement refer to him as 'frog boy' is both rude and insulting. Thanks to his daughter he isn't a John Doe anymore. RIP young wanderer.

[@VioletJoy]

The explanation was to give him a name that would get attention and not be forgotten. The detective that gave him the name said that he was hoping that if it didn't get solved during his career, the name would keep the attention of subsequent detectives. It wasn't chosen as an insult. It was chosen because they cared.

[@alpyhaWQFwef]

Seconding this comment.

[@magnus1001]

@@VioletJoy That makes me feel a little better. I was just imagining his daughter wondering who her birth Father was all those years, excited to meet him finally and then finding out he died as a child, barely 16 and for years was a John Doe known only as 'frog boy'. I would have called him 'The Snedden Creek Adventurer' or something. Anyway I am glad DC covered this case and that he has his actual name back. I had never heard of this case before this. Cheers.

[@maxb4074]

Whats wrong with frogs?

[@jamesmckuen]

When a body is left in the water it bloats. Not sensitive but likely accurate unfortunately.

[@jenniferlonnes7420]

I'm glad she found out identity of someone important affecting her life.

[@aluvrianne]

RE: Case Names-- I can tell you as a medicolegal death investigator (deputy coroner) that something beige like Sneddon Creek John Doe is long and indistinguishable and isn't going to stick in people's minds like a shorter more descriptive nickname. You don't have to like the practice, but there could be several Sneddon Creek John Does, however, there's only one Frog Boy. In all the official paperwork, he'd have gone by a case number, something like OR-CBSO4039-1971. Given his physical description, they could have nicknamed him Fabian or Hollywood, something that rolls off the tongue faster and is easier to remember than OR-CBSO4039-1971. Names like Frog Boy (unless the press get ahold of them or come up with the nickname on their own) generally aren't meant for pubic consumption either. It's a like doctors and nurses who refer to the Umbilical Hernia in room 319. An example of this in action is the teaching cases I remember the most from graduate school that were very distinctive (the guy who got eaten by a bear) or they'd been given names over the years. Here's a few I can recall right here, right now, off the top of my head: 1) Iman, F, Peoples of India, 24-36, slight enamel hypoplasia. Cause/Manner of death is unknown. She came into the teaching collection from Carolina Biological Supply or similar company. 2) Paco, M, Caucasian (Hispanic) 35-45, sharp force trauma to the right zygoma, blindingly white veneers on his teeth, probable victim of drug cartel violence. He was found in an empty boxcar by railroad security. 3) Chompers, M, Peoples of India, 20-28, is a traditional hanging skeleton. His bones didn't tell us anything about his cause of death, but, he's got a spring-wired mandible that if you're not careful when examining his mouth, he will bite. He's also from a Carolina Biological Supply or similar company. 4) I named Biohazard Bob. M, 20s, white man buried near Helena, Montana, pre-1900 and was waterlogged for some of the time he was underground. Bob and his grave goods are overrun with mold, which is a biohazard. Cause/Manner of death unknown. All of these individuals have case numbers and I'd have to get into my records to look those up, but 20 yrs later, I remember their nicknames and the details come to me almost instantaneously. I can't do that if I was going off the case roster. It would take time to go through the collection and I'd have to be in the lab to clap eyes on said cases and briefly reassess them before I'd remember details like those above. I have a proposition for the pearl clutchers outraged that those investigators didn't run things in line with your delicate sensibilities. Go to school, get the training, spend time in the trenches, then we can talk about the temporary monikers given to the nameless.

[@seandelap8587]

I don't know how you could be so at ease about a family member suddenly leaving home and losing contact i mean regardless of how close you are to them you would surely show concern about their wellbeing at least but Winston's family seemed to remain casual about it all maybe that's just the way they dealt with things but it seems a strange attitude to take imo

[@magnus1001]

I know, he was a child. My 2 oldest sons (twins) are just now 14 and they couldn't survive on their own in our backyard much less roaming the country.

[@JayJay32186]

I think we shouldn’t be too hard on them because it was a totally different culture/society back then. We’d consider him a baby now, but at that time he would have been considered grown, and he had run away many times before. He may have even said he was leaving and not coming back. He did stop by to say goodbye to his sister, so everyone knew he was leaving.

[@magnus1001]

@@JayJay32186 I thought about what you said and it could be the case because the Vietnam War was still going and young men lied about their age to join sometimes. We have 6 young boys 7-14. To me my 14 year old twins are still little kids.

[@H1ST0RYWriter]

​@magnus1001 happened before the information age. Losing track of someone, even a family memeber, was probably easier to accept when you didn't have cell phones for quick contact or social media to check in.

[@ValleyoftheRogue]

@@JayJay32186 No. I was alive back then. Sixteen-year-olds were NOT considered adults. He was a minor then. He was in NO way an adult. I don't believe one word of the cover story by the family. He was kicked out and left to fend for himself.

[@moomyung9231]

He may not have been murdered. A disproportionate number of young men die by drowning. (All over and throughout time this is true). Young men take more risks and don't tend to think of water as dangerous. Regardless, I hope she gets answers. Someone had to have known him back then.

[@MidnightMessagesandMusings]

You are right. He wasn't murdered. It was a tragic accident where he tripped, fell, hit his head, was knocked unconscious, and then fell into the water. This fall resulted in his death because he basically drowned. It's a shame because he was young and he did want to change his life around. #winstonmaxey

[@ViolentRainbow]

Yeah he totally went swimming in leather pants and a turtleneck sweater o_o

[@ValleyoftheRogue]

He wasn't murdered. It was either drowning or exposure. It can get very cold in that part of the country with the wind and so forth.

[@WonderWhatHappened]

@@ViolentRainbow Or crossing a log over a stream, or standing on a rock in the river and fell in. Not all who drown are swimming.

[@ViolentRainbow]

@@WonderWhatHappened Just wandering around in the woods in leather pants and a turtleneck 👍🏻 Total hiking clothes.

[@aubreyleonae4108]

I lived there many years ago. A lot of strange things happened in the forests around there. Bad things that folks get away with too frequently. Places you knew you didn't go.

[@iamsherlocked345]

I always wonder about those areas …. Way sketchy.

[@aluvrianne]

My guess is that he stumbled into a pot grow or biker meth lab and was murdered so he wouldn't go to the cops.

[@annfreels3071]

@@aluvriannedid they know about meth in 1971?

[@aluvrianne]

@@annfreels3071 Oh, yeah. It was invented by the Nazis to keep their tankers and pilots awake for days on end. After WWII, it got a foothold with outlaw motorcycle gangs that started in the San Bernardino/Riverside, CA, area. Biker Crank is what made the Hell's Angels and it spread with them as gangs expanded into the rest of the US.

[@fabergeegg1722]

I have read so many true crime cases happening in Washington and Oregan happing in the 1960s-1970s.There were a lot of serial killers and murderers living around there back then. Somone who grew up in Washington told me there were weirdos in those two states big time. She said most likely those two states attracted killers because you could live very obscurely. There were a lot of serial killers and murderers living around there back then. This victim was good looking, young and alone. I think a lunatic would have observed him as an opportunity. However, maybe the kid just had a freak accident because the forest can be dangerous if you are not careful.

[@jessyjulie5506]

Must be weird to tell people your dad died when he was 16.

[@dante6985]

Doesn't really make a difference tbh, whether 16 or 30 he's just as non-existent.

[@daleesutherland7223]

Good job,well presented case

[@lialok2674]

I feel bad for Lori, not having the chance to get to know her biological father and only to find out later that he has passed away, possibly due to homicide, Winston was so young at the time of his death, l hope that he is at peace, RIP Winston.🙁🙏

[@ValleyoftheRogue]

I seriously doubt he was murdered. He likely died from exposure. I doubt he knew one thing about trying to live on his own.

[@sandeesimons6045]

Now- where in the world is MY father? James Erwin Callahan, born August 1944 and lived in East Des Moines, Iowa. I had my heritage done through DNA and found 2 sisters, unknown. They are looking for our father too. None of us have ever met him.😢

[@naomisgram1]

😢 I hope you can find some information, frustrating I’m sure 😢

[@aluvrianne]

Most people aren't in more than one commercial database. So if you've done the Ancestry test, do 23&Me as well b/c your DNA relatives can be very different on each service. Good luck!

[@EugeneKennedy-xv1tq]

Contact long lost family.

[@hannahpricekarlsson]

@@aluvriannealso GEDmatch, the service they mentioned in the video. You can upload your DNA from any of the major companies, making it possible to find people who tested with other companies and you can also choose to share with law enforcement, which would help in cases like this one.

[@aluvrianne]

@@hannahpricekarlsson I've had my profile uploaded over there for years. I love, love, love that this dataset is open to investigators. It's one of those things that even 20 years ago seemed like it was out of a scifi novel.

[@judygarretson3255]

Been to Coos Bay many times. Never heard about this tragedy. Than you.

[@MsAdventure531]

Home of Steve “Pre” Prefontaine

[@ValleyoftheRogue]

@@MsAdventure531 It is where he is buried also, at Sunset Memorial Park.

[@mchrome3366]

Great job of the narrator in keeping my interest to this story. Thanks

[@Dr.Gunsmith]

So pleased this case is getting more traction now, as not much about it out in the world.

[@patriciapadilla2022]

I understand what she went through I never knew who my father was I started asking questions when I was 12 years old about who my father was only to find out 12 years later that he had died a couple years prior. But I did go to south side of Chicago from Washington DC and I was able to meet his mother and his younger brother, my uncle and my grandmother. I was 24 years old and she treated me like a little girl and tuck me in and she was such a sweet lady mom when I had a great time. And he was a nice guy told me he said I look just like my father and I was his only child and we never knew each other. It's sad when you don't know someone and you want so desperately to meet them only to find out you missed them by a few years . People need to know where they come from it helps you determine where you're going

[@WadeRaney-vv5oi]

A Good Presentation as usual 👋,R.I.P Winston🙏

[@Tracy-tm9ew]

Made me tear up. Wow!

[@SunShine-qk4rb]

I’m very happy to see this case was solved

[@belligerentcuisine]

I wish your uploads were longer! They’re really good

[@crystalball82]

Poor Winston, his parents didn’t care. And his daughter lost her biological father and also the adoptive one…so tragic

[@ivia_ol8356]

Keep in mind folks, children don't run away from happy homes.

[@henkdegroot5872]

De laatste conclusie in deze aangrijpende video luidt in het Nederlands: je moet aan de boom blijven schudden dan kan zelfs na vijftig jaar speuren en nooit opgeven de zaak toch worden opgelost.....

[@annettejones7777]

Frog Boy seems like such a disrespectful thing to call the deceased.

[@CenturyHomeProject]

He was a very handsome young man. He should have been able to have his whole life ahead of him.

[@ValleyoftheRogue]

He was literally a kid-not a "young man."

[@sc3pt1c4L]

@@ValleyoftheRogue a kid is 'literally' a young goat.

[@ValleyoftheRogue]

@@sc3pt1c4L He was not an adult. The word "kid" has more than one meaning. Your post is an epic fail.

[@sc3pt1c4L]

@@ValleyoftheRogue Oh no, I have been judged by you, how will I ever go on? The phrase 'young man' also has more than one meaning, in this case, referring to an adolescent male that has gone through puberty. Since this male had fathered a child of his own, I think we can safely assume he had reached that point. Perhaps you shouldn't take things so "literally" then you wouldn't find such mundane things "epic". Incidentally, you might notice that the original poster amassed 37 likes to your solitary 'like', which, given your 'character', I can well imagine you awarded to yourself. Congratulations.

[@karenk3458]

Thankfully, she went looking for her father as would likely still would've been unidentified😢😮! RIP!

[@alanleemaxwell831]

Such a sad story, I'm glad she found out who her father was, I wish the story had a happy ending for them both. God bless, Winston...🙏🇬🇧❤️

[@naomisgram1]

Yes! It gave her a sense closure I’m sure. I hope some day they find out if he was murdered or it was an accident 😢

[@alanleemaxwell831]

@@naomisgram1 yes, they deserve to know the truth....

[@pamelasimone5084]

Lori’s devotion to finding her father is inspiring. Her dedication not only helped her find him but also solved the mystery about his death and returned his identity. With the same resolve, I’m sure she will find his killer.

[@randyhebbebusche3644]

Sad story but at least the information gave some closure.

[@Bigohno0]

Juveniles "relocating" horses between properties sounds like a polite way of saying *_STEALING_* 😂😂😅😊

[@pamorama]

Such a sad story. He was a very handsome man man and I can understand why his parents didn't file a missing persons report! I hope the mystery is solved.

[@SpicyTexan64]

I notice it's always men getting these really great names like frog boy and septic tank Sam. Meanwhile, women are Princess Rose Doe and Angel Wings.

[@fafnyrslair]

Right? This is absolutely awful. We need to do better

[@jamiemohan2049]

'Great', I know u likely r being sarcastic but they are v rude.

[@thechaz83]

@jamie, he was merely relaying an observation, speaking what he believes to be the truth. How is that disrespectful?

[@MissSeaSea]

So sad and horrible

[@ladyseeker2927]

​@@thechaz83 imagine the havoc if they call a Jane Doe something like Shore twisted branch

[@wisjoh1]

Quite touching and Fascinating ! ❤

[@Laura-i2r9r]

A Handsome boy . A terrible shame someone had it in for him and did this to him . He didn’t get a chance to know his baby girl . Very tragic😢

[@Sanae95]

His parents didn't care about him being gone and that's so sad

[@Mrs.TJTaylor]

Some children are so difficult that they wear their parents down. I think he was that kind of child, according to the story. And they had other children to consider. I knew a kid like that when I was growing up.

[@alphooey]

They probably did but he’d left saying he was leaving. He just didn’t come back. Back the trying to find someone that didn’t want to be found was difficult. If they had gone to the police they wouldn’t have done much as he voluntarily left. Also you have no idea how much heartache they been through or if they’d tried to find him.

[@ValleyoftheRogue]

He was kicked out of the house after he got his girlfriend pregnant. Not unheard of back then. I do not believe the story he never knew, and, still a minor, decided to go to a nothing town called Coos Bay, Oregon, to make his way in the world. That is a cover story, and it is too bad his daughter believes it.

[@atlanticblue2665]

​@@ValleyoftheRogue Perhaps the girlfriends parents killed him...

[@valeriemarott1923]

Uhhhh, the digital reconstruction looks nothing like the pics of Winston!

[@peteraviation6867]

It does look similar. The most changeable thing is the nose. All they have would be “straight nose”. But not like he had IRL. So they ended with longer nose, that’s all.

[@poseysalsman]

Poor young man 😢. He'd be a senior citizen now, more kids and grandkids of his own. But he never made it that far 😢. Some evil thing befell him and took his life away. He should have been living, laughing, loving, learning and being happy. Not in some filthy water and named "frog boy". Gone far too soon, rest easy pal...😢

[@seandelap8587]

Why didn't Winston's parents report him missing and why would they just have assumed that he ran away from home and joined a circus or whatever i mean they were his parents why didn't they enquire further about his whereabouts and file a missing person's report

[@baxtersmom279]

Lots of kids ran away from home during that time. Counter culture. Also, parents did believe stranger danger was a thing. Not an excuse, just once possible explanation

[@Sanae95]

That's what kept bugging me about this case i mean thats their child even if he was a rebellious teenager he's still their child

[@baxtersmom279]

@@Sanae95 oh I agree with you. I don’t understand either, I just think things were a little different late 60s, early 70s.

[@jamiemohan2049]

My granddad had a cousin or uncle that vanished at 14, his whole family just assumed he moved fo England. I don't know his name and my granddads 90 odd year old cousin told me this in person. She acted like he did move but just didn't tell anyone ...I personally suspect something worse. People were really weird back then. Who knows how many people who 'moved away' or 'ran away', were simply murdered ...

[@ValleyoftheRogue]

@@baxtersmom279 He didn't run away. He was thrown out by his parents.

[@JoJoHOPPE-i7j]

There is something very wrong with a family that doesn't even care enough about a CHILD to file a missing person report. Then they didn't even want his ashes?! I don't think Lori will find very much love in THAT family!

[@eudaenomic]

Oddly the first thought when "he looked like a frog", I thought he would be nicknamed Frenchie". I'm glad the issue was resolved. Thank you for your post.

[@Prayandrepent]

I know the void of never knowing your biological parent ,my dad was murdered by the time I was old enough to go and meet him. My mother made the decision not to let me and my sister know him,she played God with our lives, I resent her to this day, so by the time I was old enough it was to late,he was murdered, she forbade us to see him even when we were of age,so the first time I saw him it was at his funeral, after that my mother didn't speak to me for quite sometime, I grew up in Oregon and now live in Idaho so this kind of hit home for me. So Lori, i feel your void. I'm so sorry for your loss. It's a hole that will never be filled 😊, God bless you, sweetheart .

[@IdahoRanchGirl]

Hi fellow Idahoan! I live off hwy 12 in a tiny town!

[@SeventhSwell]

So... where was her biological mother's father when Winston was killed? I could see him getting upset about his daughter getting knocked up at 15.

[@ValleyoftheRogue]

And of course he was kicked out of his own house by his parents upon the news. They all knew about it, including Winston. The story given doesn't pass the smell test. I was alive then and know how parents handled things like this.

[@maricelavancena9469]

No closure until she finds out who took away her father's life

[@ValleyoftheRogue]

The only one responsible is himself.

[@prima-luce]

i wonder if poor Winston was being abused at home? they call it “rebellion,” but it just seems unlikely a child would run away from home several times simply because they don’t like their parents’ rules. it’s just so bizarre the parents didn’t seem concerned about their missing underage child.

[@iamsherlocked345]

I was thinking the same …. Not every case is just a so called runaway.

[@ValleyoftheRogue]

They all deny it, but it is pretty clear he was kicked out of the house upon finding out his girlfriend was pregnant. He didn't just decide one day he was going to go to Coos Bay-who in the world would EVER want to go there unless he wanted to meet track great Steve Prefontaine-for "adventure." That is simply ridiculous especially given his age.

[@ValleyoftheRogue]

@@iamsherlocked345 He was kicked out after he got the girlfriend pregnant and he didn't want to marry her because of his age. Not unheard of, especially during that era.

[@fairydogmother2752]

Poor boy his life ended before he even got to live one. I feel like he felt very lost and alone in life, still just a boy but was ready and willing to become a man and father.

[@WoodlandT]

So much shady stuff happened and still happens in that part of the country. I’m from fairly near there and the area definitely has a reputation. That being said, it’s also an extremely rugged and potentially dangerous environment. People have disappeared in the Pacific Northwest for as long as anyone can remember, from both natural and unnatural causes. RIP Winston

[@gaylereid8264]

This is excellent ❣️

[@eddo1983]

He had a kid at age 16? Damn

[@fairydogmother2752]

When you got that many kids, i guarantee you're not tending to all their needs. So it's no surprise he felt no connection or love at home and searched for it elsewhere 😕

[@cherrycoke6253]

The name is memorable, but being labelled frogboy was disrespectful. So I'm glad that he regained his true identity. Plus, it's difficult to imagine how someone pictured him as a frog when he was discovered, but I'll take their word for it.

[@margaridono]

Such a handsome boy labelled a frog.....so shame.

[@VioletJoy]

The detective explained that the name would get attention and not be forgotten. We'll probably never forget it.

[@NannupTiger]

Frogs are awesome animals. I don't see the disrespect..

[@jamiemohan2049]

Yep, very ironic as he was actually very handsome when alive.

[@jamiemohan2049]

​@VioletJoy oh please, that is just an excuse they make up.

[@bric9244]

Rest in peace Winston. You are missed ✌️

[@maddie8415]

Really sad that NCMEC refused to put him in their database because there was no missing person's report...because his parents never reported him missing! It would seem that would be even more reason to include him, he had obviously gone missing as a 16 year old. That said, I'm glad that Lori was able to make some headway through other avenues.

[@moragwilliamson1736]

"Frog Boy"--how disrespectful and callous.

[@CheriHammer-Sullivan]

Winston's parents look so very familiar that I'm sending this account to my sister and another friend who were in the Boise area at this time. I will comment again if we learn more.

[@Boo-dawg.]

Winston was a cutie. I understand the name frog boy because of the way humans get extremely bloated after being dead. It's gross but a fact. But I don't think frog boy was an appropriate way to describe him. People can be so insensitive and don't think twice about how the families feel.

[@eadweard.]

Was that the reason?

[@thehapagirl92]

He was short

[@badguitar5653]

Why would a 16 year old boy in 1971, while traveling, dye his hair a different color? Guys of that era didn't dye their hair unless they were trying to hide. Something odd there.

[@auntbarbara5576]

Thank you.

[@MissSeaSea]

She looked just like her Daddy, so terribly sad! I pray they find his killer

[@ValleyoftheRogue]

They never will because he wasn't murdered.

[@Chrissy-j6v]

Dark curiosities, I like your channel. You do a very good job with this. Yes, I agree with the other commenters here. It's very disrespectful to call this young missing boy frog boy. Call him young John Doe from Sneddon creek or something. Sounds nicer. Frog Boy makes him sound like an attraction at a vintage Coney Island Freak show. At 10:02 he was actually a very cute boy! Thanks for the upload.

[@albtckl]

She's reporting the story the way it was recorded. Geeze you guys need to get over yourselves 🙄

[@Chrissy-j6v]

@@albtckl Yes, I know. I am NOT blaming the narrator. But the person first calling the missing boy "Frog Boy!"

[@IdBertParks]

God bless you, Lori. Proud of you. Gene

[@LegendsofCrime84]

The psychology behind this is just mind-blowing. What are your thoughts on how they rationalized their actions?

[@Nyctophora]

I'm glad she found him. I'm sorry the two young parents couldn't be together.

[@xcel007]

Liking and commenting for the algorithm

[@ShirleeKnott]

replying for the algorithm oh liked video and your comment for it too!

[@char2win]

Friday night treat time. Thank you ❤

[@rhondamcewananderson3968]

DC always so good...🌹❤️

[@alienmoosestudios]

Hi new subscriber here 😁 Thanks for sharing this very interesting video 🤔🤔🤔

[@laurametheny1008]

Thank you DC🙏🏼💔🕊️

[@kathydavenport4422]

Thank our Father in Heaven for the love of our children. Rest In Peace. Blessings Be.

[@judyjudy51]

amazing story ~

[@thegatesofdawn...1386]

Winston met a tragic end. I think he was a handsome young boy. God knows what happened.

[@toddrickman]

Big hug from Rienzi Mississippi 🫂

[@ericbernardo9161]

Sad story

[@nicholeholland8703]

Im wondering if his father set out to handle his kid and things got physical and something happened... so sad we may never know what happened... glad she found her family.

[@judyminard4694]

So sad. I think he would have been a good dad, even if he didn't meet her until she was 50. 😢

[@bdpage2023]

Dave Paulides, Missing 411, said it's always suspicious when men found face-up in the water...

[@aluvrianne]

It's so creepy.

[@randallreid424]

It is amazing how many young men have been found in a body of water face up and a lot of them with no pants and no water in there lungs. It is very very suspicious to be found like this. I always think of the smiley face every time I hear about a case like this.

[@seandelap8587]

Ok can someone explain to me how in this universe the body of a human could be mistaken for a frog its headscratching to me about how this sort of confusion could have possibly occurred

[@idwtbkabbam]

Probably some form of wishful thinking. If you see something in a pond, it's more likely that your first instinct is frog, not man. Perhaps only parts of his face were sticking out.

[@katieh8186]

Maybe he was just positioned in a frog-like way? I would be very surprised if he had actually been mistaken for a frog

[@SamIAm10262]

That would be one, very large, frog

[@GoBlueGirl78]

It doesn’t say the body was mistaken for a frog, it says he looked like a frog.

[@elizabethmcglothlin5406]

Kind of demeaning for sure.

[@JillMorgan-b7y]

How disrespectful. Calling him "Frog Boy".

[@bryanfrombuffalo7685]

I bet the family liked hearing him called FROG BOY

[@bodyzoasispersonaltraining9186]

Rip Wild Winston. And god bless his daughter he is a 💎

[@Lylo-mj8ek]

I pray to see the conclusion to this case justice for Winston ❤

[@LifeisaHorrorMovie]

Just stating my opinion - I strongly suspect Winston's family. The attitude they exhibited was not that of typically 'exhausted' parents of a troubled child. It's more indicative of a set of emotionally detached parents who viewed their most opinionated child as an inconvenience and singled him out as the family scapegoat.. No wonder they didn't report him missing, they knew exactly where he was all those years. His sister may also know more than she's letting on. However, I don't blame the siblings as in an abusive household, the black sheep is often also emotionally abandoned by their siblings as a matter of self-preservation (and not actual/personal malice). That's because no child in a household like that feels truly 'safe'. The kids learn all too well that their continued existence and emotional safety is conditional and dependent on how much effort they put into actively remaining in the good graces of mommy and daddy at all times. Anybody associating too closely with the scapegoat child, therefore, also begins to receive abuse by the parents almost as an implicit punishment for their perceived 'betrayal', which is just another manipulative chess move dysfunctional parents play to keep the scapegoat child isolated. All this so that they may continue directing the majority of their rage on one specific member while simultaneously holding the affections and loyalty of the other children. The other children, in fact, are just glad that the focus of their parents' abuse is not on them. After all, all children can do is try and keep their head above water by any means necessary to survive until they become old enough to leave the toxic household.

[@donicaburley9163]

Looks like James Dean , so handsome

[@VioletJoy]

It's interesting to see so much outrage about the name given to Winston - Frog Boy. While it definitely doesn't sound like a nice name, it was chosen to get attention and not be forgotten. It's because they cared.

[@SpicyTexan64]

Sure, imagine a young unknown dead girl and naming her Lizard Girl. You know... for attention and stuff. 🙄

[@NannupTiger]

Frogs are great animals. I don't understand how people are finding this disrespectful? He was found in water & a body will bloat after a few days submerged in water.

[@TomasDahl-zr3pj]

Would monkey boy have been disrespectful?

[@VioletJoy]

@@NannupTiger Exactly!!

[@jamiemohan2049]

The name is also ironic as he was actually very handsome. Obviously not when found as he decayed in the water.

[@margaridono]

A teenager boy called a frog boy....what's wrong with that people? How about just Snedden Creek John Doe?

[@VioletJoy]

He explained that it was to get attention to the case.

[@margaridono]

@@VioletJoy Right....but didn't work

[@NannupTiger]

Have you ever seen a body that has been rotting in water? They blow up like a frog. There is nothing disrespectful about that name.

[@Viviane-h4r]

🙏🏻😢 blue jeans and a sweater.