I was brought here by the aforementioned poster, was not disappointed. 30 is about the right age, to stop drinking the red balls, whatfore all of the extra heartbeats that occur.
@capnskiddies4 жыл бұрын
@@jman1121 it's not so bad as when it skips a beast or three.
@yeeturmcbeetur81974 жыл бұрын
Hi dad
@dennyn.94664 жыл бұрын
This really couldn’t be more accurate.
@LOSTTIMEBANDIT4 жыл бұрын
So that's what happened to McLovin
@johnnybravo-ir3ev4 жыл бұрын
@Mr. Pretty Penis something tells me you don't get laid.
@bikingfordays69514 жыл бұрын
Hahaahahaahahahha
@BigKeithDog4 жыл бұрын
@Mr. Pretty Penis I'm married too. Now I'm certain you don't get laid!🤣
@Shitbird32494 жыл бұрын
Nah he died in Rakiyat
@Chris-qf9qm Жыл бұрын
Lol, well done.
@ChuckBeefOG4 жыл бұрын
The best option is to wear warm gloves, then take them off to do everything anyway.
@RadDadisRad4 жыл бұрын
I wear the thin ones under the leather ones. Do all my parts gathering so I can wear them all. Then I take the leathers off while I work. If my hands get too cold I just go get more material or throw my trash away.
@ebabdbgbbbebbluesman61154 жыл бұрын
I do this alot, mostly have to remove left glove only for nails and screws. If you handle tools that are solid metal, like a nail gun, you need very warm gloves. I always keep a variety of gloves in the truck for 6 months out of the year. Handy andys, Chili grips, to medium leathers, up to thinsulate doeskins. Wells lamont is my friend.
@innesdundas64874 жыл бұрын
personally I prefer to put my gloves and climb up the ladder and by the time you are at the top your gloves are soaking wet so you cant use them again
@BigKeithDog4 жыл бұрын
I keep my gloves in my inside coat pocket. I work bare handed until I can't take it anymore and put my hands in the gloves just to warm them up.
@regular-joe4 жыл бұрын
"like holding a dead mouse"...I laughed - and cried.
@TheArcticSpartan4 жыл бұрын
"You just have an energy drink then figure stuff out" that pretty much sums up a lot my experience in carpentry so far
@punk1054 жыл бұрын
Or smoke a joint and get to work!
@Eric-ut5ld3 жыл бұрын
Drink a giant cup of hot coffee first thing and you can be a decent electrician till about 10:15...
@vaporiiz2 жыл бұрын
Lol
@williamdavis7613 Жыл бұрын
@@punk105 that's not what you want to do or you may loose a finger, I gave up smoking to do carpentry
@5h0rgunn454 жыл бұрын
That first day in spring when you plunge your hand into the box of nails without a care in the world before remembering you can't do that anymore... Great humour but still extremely accurate as always :D
@davidcompanion8144 жыл бұрын
Or that first sheet of crap plywood that lays 50 splinters in your baby skin.. by november you could sink an 8 penny and bend it on your palm.
@pauldharmer4 жыл бұрын
Damn I think I've been in construction for 40 years now......it was supposed to be a summer job
@butre.4 жыл бұрын
bullshit, lifetime construction workers only live to 50. summer jobs start at 12, not 10.
@pauldharmer4 жыл бұрын
@@butre. yes this is true,so I had my heart valves rebuilt a couple years ago I'm on borrowed time
@CurmudgeonExtraordinaire4 жыл бұрын
Well, if you work in Houston, that *is* a summer job... Our summers tend to be a bit long... 40 years long sounds about right... :)
@bearrun39694 жыл бұрын
How many Muslims do you have working out doors with you, I bet not many.
@WilliamWonka4 жыл бұрын
I really love how he threw his hammer down into the basement as if to say: “Oops, dropped it again”
@butre.4 жыл бұрын
pro tip thin cotton gloves as the first layer, latex gloves as the second, and normal work gloves as the third. the outer layer is mostly to protect the latex, the latex keeps your hands warm, and the cotton gloves wick away the sweat and keeps the sweat from freezing the latex to your body
@zacharycocker36023 жыл бұрын
@bu tre I always layer with latex in the winter and just smile when others complain about cold hands lol 😆 the cotton underneath is a great idea I never considered tho. Thank you
@myblacklab72 жыл бұрын
I'm a layerer, but I still think you are almost certainly clinically insane. (This is a joke)
@mongoose094 жыл бұрын
Winter starts when youre buying a coffee.. Too hot to drink driving to work.. When you get out of the truck and do something for 5 minutes on site, its already ice cold..
@ryanguyer69514 жыл бұрын
This is 100% spot on
@ethanpetefish16404 жыл бұрын
Facts
@MillionFoul4 жыл бұрын
I don't work construction but I do work outside all winter at an airport. The engineer that invents gloves that are both warm and flexible enough to actually perform tasks while wearing them will be the eternal god-emperor of the human race as we advance into the stars.
@fidelgonzalez5218 Жыл бұрын
I use latex gloves and then then thin gloves
@genedameier87464 жыл бұрын
In every northern state in the nation, there are 2 seasons: Shovel and Swat. (Snow in winter, Insects in summer)
@EliteFlight4 жыл бұрын
Gene Dameier Come down to the south
@murdockhancock16604 жыл бұрын
@@EliteFlight I've heard a copple southern guys say that the bugs are worse here then they are in Mississippi and Alabama don't know if I believe them tho
@leavemealone.21504 жыл бұрын
A.K.A. Winter and Winter's Coming in the frozen Northland... Can't wait for Winter's Coming, thats 'bout the time we start getting ready for Winter....
@watsisbuttndo8294 жыл бұрын
As an Australian i know not of these issues you have mentioned, we have the issue of the house you are currently building spontaneously combusting from the heat and taking your radio and sandwiches with it.
@Resonantfate4 жыл бұрын
Busted out laughing. Thanks man. Proper Australian humor.
@Midlife-Adventures4 жыл бұрын
Or you get soggy sandwiches as the fire is put out by the flood.
@keenanvaughn84534 жыл бұрын
I thought Aussies called sandwiches "cunts". Or is that everything besides a sandwich?
@jimandy94724 жыл бұрын
Cunts , darts and sandwiches
@bigdogbob8454 жыл бұрын
watsis, and Where the Hell does that leave your Cold Beer ?
@cholulahotsauce61664 жыл бұрын
I thought the moustache was a frozen snot rocket at first and I was gonna give points for accuracy. But no.
@BenMarvin4 жыл бұрын
It's a throwback to their other video when the boss goes undercover as the new hire
@basails454 жыл бұрын
I thought it was snot too
@bradjohnson96714 жыл бұрын
Unless you live up here in the frozen tundra, most don't know what a frozen snot rocket is!
@UberAlphaSirus4 жыл бұрын
Why is it that all your body parts are numb from the cold yet when you hit them with a hammer they ain't so numb no more?
@bradapperson39914 жыл бұрын
Sirus 😂😂😂
@deanlester55543 жыл бұрын
I owe it to God and his weird sense of humor!
@Reality6974 жыл бұрын
I work commercial and industrial Concrete and this is legit my life right now. It's so damn cold out you just want to jump in the fresh warm concrete!!!
@thomasbacon4 жыл бұрын
I was really hoping to see a bit about frozen glue in a glue gun, glue over the car defroster in the morning, and a plywood glue shack around the generator exhaust.
@BigKeithDog4 жыл бұрын
LOL!
@leavemealone.21504 жыл бұрын
People residing under the top row states likely have no idea what you are talking about..
@thomasbacon4 жыл бұрын
@@leavemealone.2150 They also probably don't realize how important it is for the nailgunner to use his hammer when a head doesn't counter sink on the deck. Shovel, shovel, shovel, dink, shovel shovel, dink, shovel dink...#$!#?!&# nail gunner!
@jasonunger27763 жыл бұрын
@@thomasbacon 😂too true!
@joewat59053 жыл бұрын
Blowtorch to the top plate for frost to set trusses
@thehouseofcrumblingidols26944 жыл бұрын
After five years of building concrete foundations in North Dakota, I found God. Then I moved to North Carolina!
@gavinmay77104 жыл бұрын
Almost pissed my pants once I had forgotten my "tuck in" sequence. With all of my layers
@BigKeithDog4 жыл бұрын
LOL! Been there.
@josehenriquez32744 жыл бұрын
That energy drink line is gold. Monster’s have saved me countless layoff’s
@rollingacresfarmstead2064 жыл бұрын
But really somebody needs to design some space age glove shit "Sometimes i get chest pains and get dizzy, im 29 that happens" as bloods running out his nose Thanks for the laughs
@SirNilzey2 жыл бұрын
I bet some guy is always at the brink of inventing the scaffolder's dream but then spring comes around with warm weather and lovely flowers and they forget all that shit. Then the cycle repeats ad infinitum.
@Thalanox2 жыл бұрын
Well, it's going to be happening a lot more after all those injections giving people myocarditis.
@RamboReviver4 жыл бұрын
Seriously, thin wool gloves and uninsolated rubber gloves when put together are brilliant. The wool leads away the moisture from sweat and keeps warm and the rubber gloves protect against wind and water. Wool overall is a must for me in wintertime.
@drewchorlton3424 жыл бұрын
Erik wool socks are great too!
@news23834 жыл бұрын
I do one thin pair of work gloves and one thick and if it's really cooled hand warmers as well
@SirNilzey2 жыл бұрын
@@news2383 Ordinary leather gloves over thin work gloves. Because they don't have shit that really fits all that well and we work with fiddly fuckery most of the time so wearing over-sized thick gloves is just going to be annoying. I first thought that it would be a simple retard-solution that wouldn't do shit but keep the spirits up but it actually works surprisingly well.
@scottbrown6544 жыл бұрын
Would love to see a few more of these videos from you guys! Brings back a lot of memories from my time as a carpenter working in the Colorado Mountains.
@daniellindauer20404 жыл бұрын
You can learn more about construction from energy drinks then 3 years in trade school. I'm dying. 🤣
@oldschooljack34794 жыл бұрын
AvE sent me as well.
@xXelitegpXx2 жыл бұрын
“And your probably one of the coolest people you know” 😂😂😂 I’m a framer in Chicago, I’m right there with you… on all of it . Great video 😂
@myblacklab72 жыл бұрын
Spring in Chicago reminds you that you have a giant frozen lake next to you, huh?
@godbluffvdgg4 жыл бұрын
I was having a problem with multi pitch roof tie ins...Drank two energy drinks...Now I own Toll Brothers...
@michaelvargo79394 жыл бұрын
Great video! Lots of this stuff is absolutely true, especially the staring off into the distance part!
@saulmoreno32522 жыл бұрын
This sense of humor is what gets my crew and myself through the winter in the beautiful North West
@bustedrav4 жыл бұрын
Being a surveyor in New England, I can say that we definitely feel your pain, well we don't feel much of anything in the winter, thanks to the cold and Irish coffees.
@rossren96914 жыл бұрын
As a irish man I need to know what whiskey you put in them irish coffees
@bustedrav4 жыл бұрын
@@rossren9691 I'm a Jameson guy myself, but I'll take anything! Bushmills is probably 2nd choice. As far as single malt I'm a sucker for some Macallan 18.
@rossren96914 жыл бұрын
@@bustedrav bushmills gold label is amazing if you can find that over in America do pick it up highly recommend
@chuck29984 жыл бұрын
I love every part of this video, as a roofer from north dakota I really feel the free gloves
@myblacklab72 жыл бұрын
I feel that if I am not a very good person, then when I die I will come back as a roofer in North Dakota.
@juliogonzo27184 жыл бұрын
I'm North of Minnesota, I feel your pain! At least this year hasn't been too bad
@Resistculturaldecline4 жыл бұрын
We're the opposite here in the deep South. I do remember the summer of 2011, we had over seventy days of 100deg heat, and over forty of those were over 103, hit 110 multiple times. Lot of fun in sweltering humidity. I wired 75 swimming pools that summer, attics and trench digging. I left framing to be an electrician because I always heard it was easy. After 17 yrs of attic crawling, I wanted to step in front of a Mag-Lev train.
@paintball1302 жыл бұрын
those stretchy nitrile gloves with a pair of jersey gloves on top is my go to (mainly cause those are the 2 types that my company usually supplies). Only works if you don't need to use your fine motor skills though
@c319798394 жыл бұрын
That's great. Reminds me of construction up here in Ontario in the winter.
@manuelstupu42954 жыл бұрын
How is this funny???? This happen to me every year. It s like painful memories. Especially the part with the gloves. Tnx for sharing this.
@swimmsstone4 жыл бұрын
I’m a bricklayer from Ontario and I approve this message 🧤
@williamsburgkavanagh17104 жыл бұрын
handling the cold is a martial art... how fricking true.
@simonhopkins38674 жыл бұрын
Everybody was kung-fu ⛄☃️ oh
@dantheruggedman54854 жыл бұрын
The Memphis gloves part was SPOT ON! They are warm but it’s like wearing oven mitts.... that don’t fit! Hahahahaha
@MrSurrealKarma4 жыл бұрын
Love working out when it's this cold. It's just cold, and you can add a layer if you're freezing a bit. You also don't get wet, cus it's too damn cold for the ice and snow to melt.
@CurmudgeonExtraordinaire4 жыл бұрын
When it's hot, you can only take so much off and even if you do, it is *still* hot... :(
@rustynailsish4 жыл бұрын
Throwing a bunch of layers on your back doesn't do shit when your hands don't work... just being outside is different than needing the dexterity of your fingers..
@MrSurrealKarma4 жыл бұрын
@@rustynailsish My fingers generally work fine until power tools are involved. Besides, we have plenty of good winter gloves.
@YCBL.7004 жыл бұрын
Please don’t make us wait so long for another one!!!
@dattepo75344 жыл бұрын
Here cuz of uncle bumblefuck
@mr.winters17334 жыл бұрын
In more ways than one!
@bunberrier4 жыл бұрын
Roger that
@treed59534 жыл бұрын
Yeah, copy that. Think I'll stay here in California, where everything causes cancer
@daviddroescher4 жыл бұрын
Negative.... Went to the state of cancer to cause California (for a visit/raise hell) dammit trees are already bloomingand the alpha is knee hi. it still February the bee boxes are in the fields it's still snowing at home I'm not sure I want to go back there yet , Montana is cold and white with strips of glaring white sometimes clear we've for some reason called highways.
@prophetanarchy23552 жыл бұрын
I work in the desert of Australia, the only time I wear gloves is to prevent 3rd degree burns from picking up steel left out in the sun, and also opening the lid to my tool box on the back of the ute.
@sosa46692 жыл бұрын
Good to see mclovin stepping out to the workforce now. Time sure does fly
@hillbert08614 жыл бұрын
Yes. The legends returns.
@randomfpv224 жыл бұрын
This guy didn’t say “doncha knooooow” once. Fake news
@RadDadisRad4 жыл бұрын
Holy buckets!
@Carpentrycontractors4 жыл бұрын
Uffda!
@bradjohnson96714 жыл бұрын
Another outstanding vid! Thanks for representing good ole MN!
@Carpentrycontractors4 жыл бұрын
You Betcha!
@derrickbruce25854 жыл бұрын
Thanks for reminding me why I quit construction to go to school to design the blueprints in controlled weather with fluorescent lights that you use in the cold or blistering sun.
@thewoodweldingfabricator93004 жыл бұрын
I live in mound, where I own a shop and do all my work while sipping coffee and remarking about how much it sucks outside.
@commonsense55504 жыл бұрын
Oh residential work, how i don't miss you. I also understand the winter weather or the heat waves that slap you in the face rather then a graceful wave to give a breeze. But I moved to Ga doing commerical. AC, Heat, office toilets, cafe's, near by restaurants you wanted to try out, explore the inner city for hidden gems. But boy oh boy, would I love to hit the millions.
@WintrBorn4 жыл бұрын
Ugh. I suffer when the loading dock hits 29F even with layers. Also AVE sent me🖤
@jessevaisanen38534 жыл бұрын
lol. hit the nail on the head with this one lads. I always love laughing at the battery powered glove guy. if those things make it past first break they are lucky
@ZomgLolPants4 жыл бұрын
The bloody nose was a hilarious touch
@JerryCurl344 жыл бұрын
Only appreciates in value with rewatches. Certified funny stuff.
@xionix410 ай бұрын
Drilling outside in harvested corn fields with unbelievable wind chill. I can relate.
@COdrummaCO4 жыл бұрын
What would have set this off is the old guy with the fake mustache saying “wait you get paid well”? Haha
@Resonantfate4 жыл бұрын
Right?!
@christophergruenwald50544 жыл бұрын
I sweat to death working construction in the SD winter. When I heat up the building to 80 degrees to apply the spray foam insulation!
@arthurrotter6944 жыл бұрын
Greatest mike early come back in history!
@joebidennnnnn49942 жыл бұрын
Framing is nuts in winter when you are doing residential. As a Tinner it's real rough when you are in a 3' to subfloor crawlspace hanging duct in the snow. Yes snow in the crawlspace.
@blackfacePM4 жыл бұрын
AVE sent me!
@bcoit554 жыл бұрын
But oh yeah gloves and those soft spring hands let the splinters in so much easier
@raifsevrence4 жыл бұрын
Bah. If your hands went soft in a single season you didn't really use them hard enough during the other 3. Then again if your single season is more than half the year I guess you get a pass.
@Slightapex4 жыл бұрын
I have a small roofing business and in addition to that as a teenager and some of my early 20s I did a fair amount of framing. This video is actually my life😂😂
@Shane_anigans_4 жыл бұрын
So glad AvE showed me this channel. Top Notchery
@ZachsFishM574 жыл бұрын
You guys get my subscription just for being human. Kudos and stay frosty... I mean warm... stay warm.
@driveitlikeyastoleit554 жыл бұрын
I used to frame but then I wised up and started doing finish. Then the only danger is suffocation from the torpedo heater running in a closed up house.
@jeffshackleford31524 жыл бұрын
Build cabinets... it's even better than trim
@lcvt80234 жыл бұрын
Great video, keep em coming! Greetings from Vermont, not quite Minnesota but our 2x's are all one.
@powerwagon37314 жыл бұрын
Great video. But I can’t complain working outside in the Colorado mountains when it’s 10 degrees because my son works on Alaska’s north slope and it hit a new record low of minus 78 with wind chill during his last hitch of 2 weeks on.
@ollilehtonen67644 жыл бұрын
Your son is an absolute madlad. I hope he gets paid well for freezing his balls off:D
@powerwagon37314 жыл бұрын
Yeah they work in short shifts for 12 hours a day and 2 or 3 weeks straight and no daylight for a couple months a year. No thanks but the money’s great.
@akindianhammer9453 жыл бұрын
Nothing like winter work…. Working in remote Alaskan villages will really make you rethink ever becoming a tradesmen.. 🥶🤔 then every other Friday comes and reminds you 💰
@ThatDumbSchmuck4 жыл бұрын
Awesome work, I've been there! Trick is "long underwear" for your hands. one light pair of stretchy one-size-fits-none gloves covered by one pair of to-big yellow fuzzy gloves. then rotate in multiple pair of dry yellow fuzzy gloves thru the day. spend all night drying them and have a dry supply for tomorrow!
@jamesw63714 жыл бұрын
First time I went to MN for work they were calling for snow on the first day of June.
@johnkashka8034 жыл бұрын
Chest pains and dizzy at 29.....Best joke!!
@brent10414 жыл бұрын
Im in Minnesota and when it’s time for me to build a house I’m gona use you guys because these videos are great keep them coming
@nicke19034 жыл бұрын
AvE just showed a link to this on his Channel, fn awesome PR boys!!
@maximumbaka76514 жыл бұрын
Another great video, keep the uploads coming
@austinnipper64604 жыл бұрын
All i can say is don't come down south. It's brutal down here. I had to wear a long sleeve T-shirt today for the 50 degree cold front.
@KalRandom4 жыл бұрын
Bet ya got your fur panty's on today, since it's 27*.
@austinnipper64604 жыл бұрын
@@KalRandom dang right! I'm sitting by the fire today. Heck with outside! Lol
@BigKeithDog4 жыл бұрын
@@austinnipper6460 Fuck that summer heat. That's worse than the cold to me.
@andrewballard7804 жыл бұрын
Classic real life practical lessons. Nice one Dude.
@BobSmith1980.4 жыл бұрын
Been to long since you made one of these. F everyone else I love them
@kearnsey644 жыл бұрын
I work water main breaks in New England........he"s absolutley right!
@gavinmay77104 жыл бұрын
We have a burn barrel it makes a big difference with quick warmup
@sryana80152 жыл бұрын
It took me years to figure it out going through multiple pairs of gloves a day from getting wet but I switched to thick warm waterproof gloves. I never looked back. I could do almost anything without taking them off and if I needed more dexterity for something, I took them off for a couple seconds and then put them back on. My hands were the warmest part of my body most days. Thankfully now I'm in remodeling so I'm rarely outside in the cold :)
@hotpocket554 жыл бұрын
I feel you on the chest pain and dizziness
@somebody60482 жыл бұрын
Get a radiant heater. They have them as Dish and other forms on Amazon. And if you are staying in one place for awhile, then get one of those hanging dish radiant heater and hang it over your area to keep you warm like the sun over head. Having a radiant heater is like having the sun shining on you. It could be cold as hell but when the sun comes out, the heat from the sun keep you warm. Same as a fireplace where the radiant heat from the fire keep you warm. So it is the same with these radiant heater.
@jessedonaldson25364 жыл бұрын
Omg, it's like holding a dead mouse wft😂😂😂😂
@russcrawford33104 жыл бұрын
Here in the Pacific Northwet, it's rarely this cold ... but it rains constantly in winter ... so many times I've gotten home with a silver dollar sized dry spot in the middle of my chest ... everything else is dripping wet ... absolutely I take wet over cold ... every night in the living room I have my string lines and tape measures pulled out to dry ...
@eustaceb5474 жыл бұрын
Haha when you sniffed the gloves I felt that 🤣 they get a weird funk after a while
@matthewhegstrom84784 жыл бұрын
Love it, when I started my business I said, I’m not going to do any out door winter work, that worked out about a month into winter. Lol
@kabasaa14 жыл бұрын
If you are cold you are not working hard enough. Fuel and hard work to burn those calories will keep you warm and even sweating when it's 20 below zero. Good humor.
@absalomdraconis4 жыл бұрын
You sound like a foreman. Stop leaning on that damn shovel that we all know you stole from the foundation workers (no, seriously, Bob got you on video), and take your cigarettes and cold coffee back to your truck where you damn well belong.
@driveitlikeyastoleit554 жыл бұрын
When I first started framing 22 years ago if the boss heard you complaining about how cold it was he'd say "there's heat in them tools"!
@Zerpersande2 жыл бұрын
I remember getting a job as a carpenter’s assistant. Built an Arby’s in NC in the winter. But they lied. I just ended up helping whoever needed help and using a pick ax to dig holes in the frozen ground.
@captaincoffeecake35954 жыл бұрын
As someone who does remodeling in Minnesota .... please stop telling people anyone can do it ... 75% of the job here is bitching/fixing the winter “that’s good enough” work lol
@BlackBirdMax4 жыл бұрын
Sounds like more money for you.
@raifsevrence4 жыл бұрын
Isn't that called "Job Security" ?
@2d42day4 жыл бұрын
Haha fuck it. Let's call er. The soffit is up
@seeszm2 жыл бұрын
The gloves is so accurate!!
@almostsapien4 жыл бұрын
That hard hat touched the floor of the portapotty. You put it back on your head.
@user-oc6qs1po3j4 жыл бұрын
As a carpenter I moved south don't miss winter at all. Only miss the first day of snow it's pretty then on the 2nd day you don't want to get out of bed lol
@nathanfrazier85254 жыл бұрын
I love these! I hope y'all make more!
@zeusgamingpro62984 жыл бұрын
Yea we left North Dakota about a month ago. -35 degrees with wind chill. I’m from Texas, and never seen no shit like that. But the worst part is I’m a welder, so having to just sit there in one place for long periods of time was awful. I would have to stop welding and start doing jumping jacks to try and warm myself back up.
@bryanmartinez66004 жыл бұрын
*Cries as a Roofer* Hehe benefits are a dream to us.
@aaronchapa32482 жыл бұрын
🇺🇸Your doing a GREAT job young MAN 👍 keep up your videos👍🇺🇸 America hope life treats you well 👍🇺🇸
@brocmullin15554 жыл бұрын
Need to put the hand warmer on the back of your hand cause the blood comes through the back side the hand, and the warmers out of the way of working
@FlameNM4 жыл бұрын
Love being an electrician inside warm just bending lol
@painterken25424 жыл бұрын
When you gonna be done? I need to spray in here asap
@rw6644 жыл бұрын
Mud and wind is my favorite
@apoc5194 жыл бұрын
Really well done. Good marketing guys!
@mtube544 жыл бұрын
What about nursing the hangover until the first coffee break? Has anyone else had to revisit breakfast in a frozen portable?