Dark is going to get Swarm Hosts nerfed AGAIN! StarCraft 2

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[@Kuehta]

30:37 "a metric fuck-ton of immortals" xd

[@AHersheyHere]

Americans will use anything but, the actual metric system.

[@rand1313]

yeah that one got me too lol

[@amadeusczernymolinareyes932]

dark fan here

[@variabl3]

Are you... are you Dark?

[@MJShorts34]

Who isn't? The guy is arguably the most fun to watch. You cant love this game and not be a fan of dark lol.

[@klirsnichy]

Dark man here

[@MagicianVideos]

"Number 1 ranked in the world by Dark, it's Dark"

[@pyenapple]

Where

[@marinav3905]

Dark and swarm hosts??? I am so here for this.

[@LucianDevine]

Whether it's Ricky or Sir Richard, the first of his name, I'm here all the same!

[@marinav3905]

@@LucianDevine here here 🎉

[@MrWxar]

I like your positivity and vibe while casting. I used to follow french casters but randomly was suggested your contact and i've been eating your contant for 2 weeks now. I can feel how much you like this game. Thank you for the games you show us !

[@edbrooke75]

I don’t know what it is about swarm hosts but every time I see it a video recommendation with them I click it. It’s like the ultimate gamble for Zerg

[@khultarratluhk1849]

43:57 When a dropship unloads marines, they disembark one by one. However, when they need to escape, they can board simultaneously. This inconsistency should be fixed. nerf terran

[@francoblu9498]

It should actually be the other way around logistically. Boarding a plane is harder than jumping out of it. They should all jump out simultaneously but have to board one by one.

[@wbrscott]

Maybe 2 at a time both in and out.

[@xIcarus227]

@@Aluzky.Irezumi yeah cuz Terran drops definitely need another boost, it's not like they almost always go unpunished due to Medivac boosters.

[@Dudecifer]

Watching a winter video is my favorite part of my daily routing. Thank you brother!!!

[@suzumes6738]

As a zerg main, watching a pack of zerglings just absolutely eat dinner on a mid game protoss army makes my soul flutter.

[@MichaelP833]

1:50 - "and we're walking" was that a stargate sg1 reference? 2010 was the episode that got me hooked on stargate, which eventually led me to having all of it on dvd

[@MtGuyful]

-How many immortals do you need? -Yes

[@VictorF0326]

I just had a thought but isn't just stealing much more impactful? If the probe keeps stealing a mineral, then gas, then mineral again he could do that forever, so theoretically as long as the probe is alive it can probably delay ling speed for maybe 6-8 seconds? That's kind of huge

[@AgentLoki86]

Despite poor robo placement, still managed the metric fuck-ton of immortals...

[@andrewhill3969]

At this point this channel should be rebranded to "The Dark Channel"

[@TheBigHitBandit]

Dark is so fun to watch.

[@IIlvllI]

Dark thinks so too 😂

[@advswede]

When you have plenty to do and you see that a game has come out. Just sit down and watch :)

[@fallenone0315]

every game I watch i still can't help but think that Ghosts should not be able to snipe Ultra. Ultra's in a large number should be a pure counter to bio; Ghosts are too good vs zerg imo.

[@hivetech4903]

Ultras are not purpose built to counter Bio, Mauraduers are designed to counter them and Zerg would insta-win in the late game if they couldn't. I agree Ghosts are a bit strong, but out-right removing their ability to target Ultras is too much. Nerfing Ghosts by 10HP would be a good place to start, or weakening snipe from 130 to 120 damage, meaning it takes an extra snipe to kill an Ultra. These small changes have a big impact at pro level.

[@fallenone0315]

@@hivetech4903 I can get onboard with a damage nerf. it'd frustrating that 1 unit counters all of Zerg's high tier units.

[@baconerrol236]

also ghosts can be dealt with, its just only one zerg who can: serral every buff and nerf you apply in the game, you have to consider that goes for serral too. burrow infestors are pretty much the only way to do it but it can be done

[@joeperry2288]

I did not expect the dark knight reference LMAO

[@demianmollering]

Made me laugh hahaha, so random but fitting

[@SrMissileMonkey]

31:15 i always like watching range units with Melee attacks use those melee attacks. Is part of the reason Warhounds remain my favorite unit in the game.

[@LucianDevine]

Sir Richard, the first of his name, answered the call to battle, and bravely led his merry brethren into battle, inspiring the Zerg to victory!

[@rumar4u]

Dark has been playing very good lately - Maybe he can put up a good fight vs. Serrall

[@neojack333]

ZvZ is something else

[@luishurtado2170]

quite strong cheese I smell here

[@at0micsheep]

Yeh, but dark fought against the cheese well

[@christopherscott6383]

Let's freaking Go!! Jimmy, there is no greater way to start your day then watching Winter casting SC2.

[@TritonTv69420]

thanks for always giving us good games, we the fans appreciate it.

[@brianjorgensen937]

Omg new StarCraft memes between games! The content update we needed

[@natecw4164]

TIL: If you take out a Robo, you limit their ability to produce Immortals. 🤔Truly amazing insight Winter🤯

[@jeffreyrook8073]

It's always interesting to see the offense/defense dynamic play out in SC2. Pros, Cons, and the tradeoffs between the two. Not to take away from his other skills, but Classic just has such a mind for the defensive action. It's honestly absurd, but if that was all it took, I'd see him more often in Winter's grand final show match videos.

[@Warmolt48]

Protoss is also in a weak state at the highest lvl, So its not strange that even classic has difficulty with the offencive. (Check out the finals of sc2 the last year or 2 and you'll see its mainly zerg and terran)

[@xIcarus227]

@@Warmolt48 what the hell are you even talking about? 2024 had 7 majors so far, and in 4 of them P were finalists. 2023 had 20, P was in 10 finals. 2022 had 19, P was in 13 finals, even Reynor played P as offrace because Zerg was terrible at that time. 2021 had 24, P was in 15 finals. P has been more than adequately represented in major finals. And even if they weren't, how can you possibly draw the conclusion that the race is weak just from finals winrates without taking secondary data points into account, such as the representation the race has in these tournaments? You're making the same mistake as those 'zerg op' complainers from last year. Just because the same 2 players are destroying the competition doesn't mean the race is too strong, look at the rest of the players in the tournament. They were not only few, but they were getting destroyed very early into the tournament too. Stop looking at winrates and take the bigger picture into account. The first indication that a race is too weak is if it's underrepresented in majors, not if they don't win the finals.

[@loafbreed7246]

I never understood how corsairs broke in the concept in sc2 with a reasonable mineral cost for the fighters but zerg was gifted two and a half freebie spawners between WOTL and HOTS. infested terrans are the only ones that even have an energy requirement.

[@xIcarus227]

It's just Blizzard making subpar balance design decisions, don't question it cuz it doesn't make any sense. They are known for having pretty bad game balance teams, look at WoW too.

[@blgdinger3]

lol wow that game 2 ending was a total wombo combo for the win 😂👌

[@arankoka]

eclipse build are so cool to see applications of swarm hosts in later game as an additional raid option (not main army). eclipse not so cool, seems to be NO efficient counter to it. blink+1 and eclipse, and chargelots have the same building needs-.- . wouldnt be a wall at the natural, with all units at the 3rd be a good counter? shades cant go through walls, and cant fight armies. u "just" have to be quick with a walling drone or a moveable spine

[@catbert7]

13:40: How the turns table! 35:30: That was a BRUTAL finish

[@coratoraYT]

The 15:15 game is amazing. Must watch!

[@JollyGreenWizard]

I love that in Game 2 Dark basically just predicted that Classic would transition to a different composition - if Classic had just built more of the same instead of transitioning, the mid-game fights might have gone better. Oops...

[@Leonhart_93]

That's why you don't build mass stalker vs mass zerglings. Sure, you can make it look close with forcefields and stasis wards, but it only takes one mistake vs a A-moving zerg

[@binkibonko69]

I wonder how good dark is at krrping those core units alive, sure hope winter mentions it

[@shnma5]

Subscribed for the content, stayed for the awkward ending.

[@Compulsive_LARPer]

Noob here. Why do Protoss pro players prioritize attack upgrades so much? They sometimes get to 3-0-0 very quickly, before starting armour or shields upgrades. What's the math?

[@ninjabreadman22]

Hard to get good value splitting between armor and shield upgrades, and you have some of the best damage mitigation spells between forcefield, guardian shield, and blink

[@harrymaxwell8489]

Attack upgrades are 10%, whereas the armour is +1. There are breakpoints, for example, +1 attack zealots 2 shot zerglings.

[@sneediumminer]

toss weapons generally get 2 or more damage per attack upgrade while armor only mitigates 1 per level

[@CGDW2]

In addition to what the people above said, there is another consideration: armor only helps when your units are taking damage, and a large part of the game is about dealing damage one-sidedly. For stuff like attacking undefended outposts, or base trade scenarios, armor is (almost) irrelevant. And in straight up fights 2/0/0 vs 1/1/0 doesn't make a huge difference.

[@Compulsive_LARPer]

thxs m8s

[@Sorenzo]

I'm SUCH a sucker for any game featuring successful Swarm Hosts.

[@stalwart56k]

I don't know a lot of things, but one thing I do know: Probes do not have noses. Maybe you skipped this cut scene in Legacy of the Void, but I watched Phase Smith Karax lovingly pick up and repair a probe after Mobius Core attacked the Spear of Adun. The probe did not have a nose. Check your unit roster in the solar core ;) ^_^

[@chir0pter]

33:40 Dark IS the swarm

[@chesswarlock9384]

Random question but ... could you herd an enemy's units into a cage with terran buildings, then surround them with cloaked ghosts and banshees?

[@tedkim7347]

42:03 is gold 😂

[@LucianDevine]

That's why we don't let Lucile out much. She doesn't work well with others.

[@user-sl7wl9yv2f]

Как мне нравиться то, что ты делаешь! Продолжай, не останавливайся! Смотреть с переводом на русский особенно веселит! Ройный шланг, обмен(размен юнитами) переводит как торговать :)))))) Ну и как обычно лайк за актерскую игру brenda, jim, jessica :)

[@mimcmo]

Nice and entertaining. Never played Starcraft...

[@stevenrogers2900]

hard to listen when your eyes are pingponging left and right

[@gonzie3915]

at 26 minutes, looks like a bug?? the non-statis'd locus times out, and then the statis'd locusts despite being over 50% timer, time out as well

[@asdfasdf-mn8iu]

Their lifetime does tick down normally, it just doesn't show because of the stasis.

[@josedaniel1791]

The reasons why infested terrans feeled too powerful or too weak are the same reasons swarm hosts have the same problems, require too much conditions to be useful in a normal game that not always can be. I think it's needed a rework of the swarmhosts, maybe making them like a long range carrier, making the locusts cost minerals or even making the locusts unable to move away from a certain range of the swarm host

[@xIcarus227]

And it's not even close to being the only dumbly designed unit out there. Swarm Hosts, Widow Mines, Banelings, Disruptors, Ghosts, hell even the Medivac boost are all units and abilities that make absolutely no sense. They're too easy to use vs how hard they are to counter which makes gameplay feel dumb.

[@jay429429]

great cast winter!

[@famouscharactersplay4298]

Day 14, you know what time it is. Where is my Brenda T-Shirt: "Get off my CREEP!"

[@AZ3rgling]

Master Dark 🎉

[@PerfidiousPuffin]

What did Jimmy do at the end there? You blacked out for real this time.

[@Lightwait321]

Classic Dark! 🫠

[@thomasbachmeier8055]

NASTY thumbnail this time Jimmy!

[@marlonchosky]

Epic ending 😅

[@paulbarteltii9998]

Added my like

[@SaltMinerChad]

I miss Zest. 😢

[@andoresu1]

Classic throwing an unlosable position via attacking stupidly again. Just as vs Cure before. So hard to be a fan of his

[@kathorsees]

I think you're being a bit too harsh. Classic doesn't have the same amount of info that we have. I'm guessing he underestimated the amount of workers he killed and thus didn't know he had the option to stay back and outgrow Dark. Also, Classic has been playing very well lately - he clearly diversified his strategy from the days of "rush tier 3 every game". And I'm not even a fan of his, or a Protoss player myself :)

[@cellardoor70]

🛡️SPOILER SHIELD🛡️

[@barte196]

Is it really sir richard if he wasn't accidental?

[@cathulionetharn5139]

Thank You Om nom nom

[@brothersofthebackrow]

bro what is this fucking image giving me nightmares

[@addamere]

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[@Gustavo-ui2bi]

Classic is the Protoss king!

[@dankars0stucieris]

Dark times

[@bothpinkysbroken]

Nice

[@Oban2006]

Swarm hosts are cooked. 😢

[@macallanswinney186]

Soup 21 dark fan

[@Boneyard250]

410th like! Let’s get it up to…Jimmy, what is it? 1,380 likes!! Let’s gooooo

[@umrete]

Stormgate is the one game I don't care about. Thanks

[@WastedTalent83]

man i usually put like but, this time i had .. My like was number 1500 i like even numbers XD

[@CasualGuidesRS3]

Me always wishing swarmhost were good

[@jennifer_dreamzzz]

[@ElysaraCh]

i sorta feel like Swarm Hosts might need to have their Supply cost bumped up by 1. The fact that you can have a functioning army and also a squad of pseudo-uncounterable swarm hosts at the same time feels unfair when it's executed right. The counter to Swarm Hosts should probably be just go knock on their front door and force them to use the Hosts to help defend because they cannot afford to just siege for free while you're attacking them.

[@bobby4tw]

I don't agree. They are such a gamble unit.

[@jashiko1813]

gg

[@ixirion]

swarms should be rebalanced a bit imo. a bit of dmg cso now they kill stuff too quickly, a bit of hp on the mosquitoes so a prepared deffence will be more viable.. Alternatively if intereceptors cost money then swarms also can cos like 5 minerals per volley we can then reduce a bit of the cost/supply

[@ddenozor]

You are right that swarms should be rebalanced. They move too slow and cost too much supply to be of any use. If anything, they deserve a buff.

[@asdfasdf-mn8iu]

Imo SH are not very strong atm, even though they can be very annoying in the right hands, but they do not contribute much to actual fights unless you trap the enemy army. SH are insanely obnoxious to play against though, because a single mistake will easily lose you a nexus or CC (potentially even more) and it's not like it's easy to prevent such mistakes from happening. Imo their current design is just not very good; weak unit all in all but hard to play against and obnoxious too. Then again, that can be said about a ton of terran cheeses too, that's just a starcraft thing.

[@ixirion]

@@ddenozor they dont care about speed cos you nydus them around. I also proposed change of supply? However the locust dmg should be nerffed or it shoould cost minerals. its too easy to snipe nexuses

[@xIcarus227]

They're quite weak and barely used, why would you nerf them again? I have a feeling you're actually complaining about the unit's actual design. When a unit is balanced or even slightly weak (like the SH is) yet it still feels bad to play against, then it's conceptually broken and needs a redesign. With that I agree, and I'd put lots more units in that category (Widow Mines, Banelings, Ghosts, etc).

[@ixirion]

@@xIcarus227 why do you consider nerf If you make a unit weaker but reduce the cost and supply? The SH are at the moment weak just cos the insane dmg and their free units generation can skyrocket out of control. Imo if we remove voidray and SH the game would be better.

[@rjawiygvozd]

Brenda and Susan carried the first game on their own pretty much

[@binkibonko69]

2 high templars and classic wins the second game

[@robertbarclay228]

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[@robertbarclay228]

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[@SpicyMayoVegas]

I mean Zerg IS OP. Tell me I’m wrong and why….

[@xIcarus227]

Because Zerg has the least amount of players qualifying in majors, which is the first indicator that a race might be weaker than normal. And because their winrates in GM is actually very bad right now (44% vs Terran, 45% vs Protoss). That's why you're wrong.

[@matthewclark7955]

First sc2 video ive watched in about a year. After the first game I remember why i stopped watching

[@ezequieltellez9082]

like

[@joe78man]

Come on, dare! Winter, ask for 2k likes

[@drews3980]

Winter I swear to god if you ask for likes and subscribes ONE MORE TIME!!! I'll probably do it anyways...

[@OldSpaghettifactory89]

90% of virgins: oh no on X, Y Z units are actually viable, you have to play the meta theres no room for banelings after the nerf, swarm hosts are garbage, ect Dark: Lol, Lmao.

[@szymonadamczuk5367]

Almost first

[@benlynch7577]

Fourth

[@jkkim6928]

Disturbing news

[@francopereyra6659]

If they nerf stuff just because of one person then this game is lost.

[@robertbarclay228]

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