This New Mass Battlecruiser Strategy Is Overpowered! StarCraft 2

[@JumptroopC5]

When Winter does the Queen RP, i would think they would be happy with the extra cost. I can see them saying "of course we are worth the extra minerals, we do everything around here..."

[@CommanderSixx]

I'm rolling as I read this in the queen voice. I'm broken lol

[@TheHalogen131]

7:30 that reminds me of an old game, where Nerchio pulled out his zerglings from the opponents base, because it was clearly a lag, that prevented the opponent from closing the wall. I don't remember who Nerchio played against, it was at least 7 years ago.

[@Muizemullard414]

Gumiho is the only terran i genuinely enjoy watching play.

[@bt920]

💯 agree!!!!

[@forsterjurgen]

100% he's lik the only one that's isnt just mmmtg

[@danielhearndon1908]

if they ever nerf the stupidity of MMM, Gumiho might rise to the top of the Terrans since none of the others can play any other style.

[@DashBlue]

No matter how hard the balance council tries to turn the game into steaming garbage, I'll always instaclick Winter vids, thank you for always making my day just a little bit better!

[@luketrottier6677]

Has it always been this bad, or did they frig things up, and it was once balanced? It absolutely baffles my mind that they are still trying to balance this game. WTF. Broodwar's last balance patch was 2001, and I talked to progamers (korean) and/or top level foriegn players (non-korean - I don't know if it is still phrased this way, I was surprised to see that it seems like foriegners are more prominent than koreans in SC2, or at worst about equal) from 2002-2007. Played from 98-02, as well, but I didn't interact with anyone high level during those days. I also daily frequented Team Liquid forums broodwar discussion from 02-07. I literally have zero memory ever of balance complaints during that time span. Garmito, Reach, Nal_RA, ForU -- Xellos, Boxer, Nada, iloveoov - Yellow, Chojja, July, H.O.T-Forever and more from each class all had significant success, too. I remembered Rainbow being a protoss, but saw him being called a terran just now. Perhaps he switched races sometimes, or after a while, and I didn't realize.

[@wackaflacka548]

Tell me you play Protoss without actually telling me lol.

[@joshuakim5240]

Idk about you, a but a LOT of the balance council decisions have been really good and things that the playerbase begged Blizzard for years to implement, such as Ultralisk push priority and a Mothership that actually has decent offensive prowess. And the jank nonsense stuff that were bad got reverted (looking at you, Cyclone), and they take feedback whenever they show what's planned to either keep, remove, adjust, or add to things they're thinking about.

[@Telhias]

@@joshuakim5240 But then you had ideas like salvage on missile turrets. In the patch they said they wanted to go after the turtling strats. I feel like the ridiculous ideas are coming into playtesting, then the overwhelming feedback tells them that it was, in fact, a bad idea and then we have a somewhat decent patch released in the end.

[@karolkalinowski4678]

man chill, it's alright

[@ElysaraCh]

"i think he has something like an oven mitt now" I'm suddenly picturing Strong Bad playing StarCraft 2 in his boxing gloves.

[@vulcan7138]

Something that I love that Gumiho does that very few terrans do is repair the mech army so many red hp mechs sent back to battle after 2 minutes next to a SCV 😢

[@lincolnreinert1205]

You cut down on unit producing macro/time and its also 50% cheaper than building a New one If iirc

[@zathrasyes1287]

12:13 "The Fusion Core..." Hillarious 🙂

[@TUZO383]

33:52 "We have to ask ourselves the eternal question: have you liked and subscribed?" [Yes] "And at what cost?" [None]

[@xakannax]

I feel like everyone called that terran is getting the best deal out of these balance patches with both zerg and protoss taking hits to early game defenses so terran can more easily do whatever they want

[@hivetech4903]

The bunker got nerfed both defensively and offensively. Although its nowhere near as much of a nerf as overcharge removal was :/

[@soleo2783]

@@hivetech4903 Not that you see that many bunkers anyway, id rather see a nerf to medivacs

[@rankmayor4076]

The game is suppose to be called TerranCraft so what do you expect?

[@jimmyha1898]

Gumiho games are always a treat 🎉 The only entertaining Terran. I also feel like Gumiho is one of the few top Terrans that actively repairs his units. Good to see. Lastly, pretty sure nothing can really beat max supply of 3-3 BCs unless you have a bunch of Infestors or Ravens....I've seen too many Supernova games where 200 supply 3-3 BCs smashed through max upgraded mass Skytoss, Corruptor, Thor, Viking and etc. You really need spellcasters to beat them when they reach critical supply because combat units just get blasted by Yamato.

[@leedunkin3338]

They really survive mass corrupters?

[@tfdeeropoooppgn]

Seeing games like these is such a relief - I'm just sick of seeing clem jumping into his medivac 69 times per second.

[@scarletspidernz]

They need to change the cool down timer to start when the boost ends. making the duration overall 14.3s rather than 10s

[@d204b207]

hes the only terran winning

[@bigtruck1838]

Medivacs need another buff they too weak

[@deucevault7850]

its like watching how an AI would play

[@jan7256]

I straight up skip Byun's sets lol

[@emorimiku]

If winter ever gets a sitcom I want the name to be "Everybody Hates Protoss"

[@TheTimelyTurtle]

44:04 I literaly went and over the course of 3 days watched the 6th and 7th season of Starcrafts. I hope that you are happy, Winter.

[@popkhorne5372]

(sees title and thumbnail) "yeah its gumiho. And i'm here for the fleet captain." edit : Admiral*

[@LucianDevine]

The people's Terran won't let us down! He knows what the people want!

[@popkhorne5372]

@@LucianDevine isn't Cure the people's terran ^^

[@kinglif8854]

I think CC Scan should not directly interfere the battles and units composition so much. The scan is like having the first hand in a 'Go' chess game. Before any encounter, you scan, you have the first hand to decide whether to engage or not. You yamato the infestor with a scan, your opponent is force to react. 22:30 is how terran should play with a raven, a unit to detect cloak and scout. There is still ways to counter a Raven, but Scan? Not a unit, no supply needed, a must have building with an upgrade that can fly, one of the hardest building to kill. If protoss death ball A move is the win button, scan is the terran A move. The terran early game is fun to watch, with all the guessing, the money scan, that limited defensive scan for surprise DTs. At that time, terran still need to scout, mirco scouting units, shaping the game. Towards mid and late, its starting to becomes 'boring' as the terran kind of know every engagement before hand. The Scans becomes the scout, but the opponent cannot defend being 'scout'. And that is not a good game mechanism, while other races is getting busier with so much controls, the scan is making things being easier, greatly reducing the "RISK" & "COST" factor.

[@ChokedByHalo1]

the scans radius is just too big imo

[@kinglif8854]

@ChokedByHalo1 true.. And scan is a skill that saves Terran money, no unit cost, no training time, no supply, no extra micro as 10 orbitals are equal as one. Imagine using an observer to scout, unit cost, unit supply, building cost, unit training time, individual marco. And every time the protoss is using chronoboost, they are spending it on something that need cost. But orbital spells are the opposite, everytime they use it, they are saving cost with a free service.

[@CharlieDrain-z1v]

“A right angle indeed”. Winter doesn’t miss

[@miza6]

So fast with stuff like that

[@shawnyewest]

I see GuMiho and battlecruisers, I click and watch. Simple.

[@miza6]

Couldn’t smash the like button fast enough

[@hrothgarvonmt]

29:30 it's so funny for Brenda to be arguing that she should be worth *less* than she is. Like "sure, we can all see I'm a 9, but like a Alcyone 9. I'm a Ley Lines 7, at best!"

[@fuffybear6865]

Ahhh gumibro. One of the few terrans I enjoy watching xD

[@TehGnomeh]

Battle cruisers? I'm there. OP BATTLE CRUISER?! HELL YEAH

[@theanti-hypemonitor9079]

i just recently started playing the game again after not touching it for 6 years. im playing pretty much exclusively zerg throughout the entire life span of the game since 2010. BUT i think, gumi's playstyle is something i wanna try.

[@Overi4096]

Queen costing 25 minerals more is "queenflation" in short

[@ChannelMiner]

For more information, Google "StarCraft Zerg Inflation"!

[@sage5296]

The fact that Gumiho was less than 200 resources mined behind a zerg at the 20m mark in game 1 is crazy, normally the zerg lsoes 10k more minerals and mines 12k more or smtn, but here it's just 10k more in loses for equal mining... wild

[@FluffyHarmlessKitten]

sure wish zerg had any sort of anti air that wasn't queens... oh, terran's base unit is anti air, and has more hp, and can move and shoot, and can get bonus hp, and can shoot faster, and can instantly dip into a medivac(that was already healing them) the second they get in any trouble at all? why is it that the marine has never been balanced in any way since the game came out again?

[@Twiixq]

Because if your name is not Clem/buyn/maru you just loose your 30 marines into 5 banelings, that's why.

[@FluffyHarmlessKitten]

@@Twiixq not at diamond and above, not regularly.

[@jonp3674]

I was shouting at the screen for BabyMarine to build some turrets against the early phoenix and prism, could have saved a bunch of trouble. And yeah I really liked Harstems 100 probe strategy. Sure you can only have 100 army soup-lie against the opponent 120 ... but you can also use all those gates to replace it super fast. You lose the first engagement narrowly and then win the second and third as you keep relentlessly spawning in more units, especially if you have prisms to do it near the battle or at their base.

[@mirastor1796]

This video took me 1.5 hours to watch, just because Winter waited for me to finish the carbot season

[@Uh_khakis]

Every day I hope for Brenda and Susan to one day be happy together. I fear we will never see that day 😞

[@cathulionetharn5139]

Thank You Something to watch while waiting for POE2 servers

[@BigGabe-hr3vk]

Great cast

[@hanky.9476]

That fully upgraded Mech Terran Army is very hard to beat

[@ArmstrongAlley]

Concussive shells slow down High Templar because a concussion causes them to be groggy while gliding.

[@solzenstein]

12:14 is the fusion core I'm here for!

[@ntecleo]

My guess as to why the old maps are back is, that they have a lot of data on these maps. So they can compare the new and old data sets to see how much the patches have changed the balance

[@rommels44]

Always looking forward to some GumiGo games, very entertaining!

[@catbert7]

Gumiho made so few Corrupters... I'd like to see Neural on the BCs and immediately condense them to one spot, followed by mass Bile.

[@gamingyoutubers451]

Winter vids, thank you for always making my day just a little bit better!

[@altonito777]

Can someone explain to me what is the joke with who called in the fleet and the music winter plays when fusion core and fleet beacon builds ? Thanks ^^'

[@stewpatterson1369]

terran better early game units and better late game units. balance.

[@dubnubgtd8538]

Spoiler shield 🛡

[@amirsalehabadi7243]

Gumi games are always a pleasure

[@SergeyShepelev]

Wouldn't viper bomb be a good counter to cruisers?

[@WarpKL]

This is why Zerg Veto Ban this map.

[@jaredrubin7843]

looks great

[@RoAF_Dev_Team]

I said it before and I'll say it again, man I just love Winter's style, like just how he is.

[@BlueTiberium5198]

Zerg needs Brutalisks...same cost as a Bc, problem solved.

[@daymandox2784]

There can only be too many drones if his strategy considered less drones at this point or do you know his strat? Very interested in this point

[@Jasonsoloka2024]

Mass BC vs Z always was unbeatable. If you build enough corruptors they go mwm

[@jayyp34]

Battlecruiser? Yes please

[@LucianDevine]

Gumiho is HAPPY to pay the Ghostbusters their due fee to keep those ghosts at bay! He ain't afraid of no Ghosts!

[@joshuakim5240]

Also the Queen union got a pay raise, only to find out too late that the Zerg don't actually have a customer economy to spend that pay on anyways and they accidentally hurt their own race. "I got more shiny blue rocks...but at what cost?!" -Brenda, upon introspection.

[@LucianDevine]

@@joshuakim5240 Yup, a classic one step forward two steps back situation there. Sadly they thought more about what they could do rather than what they should do. It's a rookie mistake that you just hate to see.

[@bothpinkysbroken]

nice! 👍

[@Kuro-cp8fg]

I see battlecruiser, I click 😂

[@miza6]

So different than a Clem game, like a whole different race. Lambo just raging

[@Deathgaming112]

19:46 wait you can kill your own suv when maxed out? Never knew that

[@spaceorbison]

Would like to have seen neural parasite on tanks at the bottom

[@LucianDevine]

Posting before watching. I'm a simple man. I see BC's in the title, I click!

[@bananarepublic5655]

Gumiho is the most entertaining Starcraft 2 player!

[@waltermilam22]

The age old question.. 😂

[@dabbs82]

Maybe it is time for Zerg to get a new air unit

[@scarletspidernz]

38:43 Coz they jealous and hate that Protoss are way too Cool with their energy and time devices .. :D

[@Wanderer1991]

Terran mechs are so fun to watch, way better than the MMA.

[@MaruBlanca-w2s]

Winter, is that an aquarium? Or are you just happy to see me?

[@dustincampbell6992]

Be a huge spoiler if Silver was Jimmy this whole time 😆

[@tylerholbrook8634]

Liked this video for all the reasons but especially for tactical skip

[@Dubafu]

winter, how do i spell your anime?

[@justuswurffel8395]

I think he is talking about Starcrafts from the CarbotAnimations channel www.youtube.com/@CarbotAnimations/search?query=starcrafts

[@Dubafu]

@@justuswurffel8395 o think you're right

[@artemirrlazaris7406]

One terran Strat I want to do, is.. you get a large battlefleet as Terran, and you make buildings and you sent them in teh grey space near your opponents when you come in, you basically levle the place and bring in your buildings for every bc destroyed you are producing marines and amruaders or some unit in the new place, this equals the position but you ahve the high ground and prioty location so technically your at an advantage. I think this advantage is so powerful makign tanks your opponents main... or more battle cruisers... while teh battle is going on... Since you oftne have a bank late game... the battlefleet having a standing order fleet of read made operational buidlings for deployment... The only reason I have never tried this is because buildings don't have a mass landing command -.-' so its pretty apm intensive in a different way, then building a building since it takes active means since thigns cna interupt the landing process -.-' That aside, aggressive flaying in. and each commadn center coming in loaded with ten scvs, to change into a fortress and be a repair and steal rss, just a forceful means incursion of your enemy... if you capped with a bank and your not planning on bulding and your enemy has resources I find htis could be really useful.. against terran and protoss.. Battefleet.. Clem could pull it off. lol... see 4 barracks flying in then bumping out marines, 3 starports coming, making medvacs or something else, factories making tanks, and it cna be used to make a wall and soak up mass ive damage.. Bc's have fairly good range against...

[@90dey]

The Goat

[@crazylegs1823]

Was Lambo always Zerg? I thought he was Protoss?

[@iCalabria]

Lambo has a youtube channel

[@altonito777]

yup always been to my knowledge ! He's the one who created the german taxi strat if i'm not wrong

[@Nova_Jan]

Broodlords need to be cheaper if theyre going to be that damn slow, there is literally no way to defend them.

[@Used_cloth]

Gumiho is the best!

[@Tickledmytootsy]

Been watching your videos for a while, if you get a portion I'll buy your voice in sc2

[@hexaquras9374]

GumiGod

[@MRsolidcolor]

2 bc in my base after they rush it.. me: what can i do. leaves game

[@artemirrlazaris7406]

Remember Robert Miles

[@Jasonsoloka2024]

I love any mech. So sick of MM

[@Disruptor1990]

so the go-to is just going air vs zerg, doesnt matter if T or P because zerg is so horseshit at anti air.

[@zzasdfwas]

was game 3 a "beating grandmasters with stupid stuff" game?

[@ThomasReaverThomasGil]

To balance the game, zerg needs 215-225 max supply. How is 200 v 200 a "swarm"? O.o SCAN NEEDS A GLOBAL SHARED COOLDOWN OF 1 second and 50 energy. Zealots need to gain 1 armor when under 25% life. BOOM BALANCED.

[@quarantinezone2844]

I've had a crap day today, please make it better.

[@LankyAssMofka]

I read this as "I've had a crap today, please make it better."

[@spudastic]

gumiho? battlecruisers? predictable in that im gonna watch it, like, and subscribe ofc

[@AGE-d3w]

The late Game for zerg vs mech Terran and vs Carrier death ball Protoss is so damn broken...

[@TheNerdForAllSeasons]

"We aren't winning every tournament for 2 years LATEGAME IS BROKEN WAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH" Zerg players are so fucking insufferable lmao

[@theanti-hypemonitor9079]

yep i feel we are coming full circle.

[@vietnamabc2290]

Unless you're Serral then sky Toss/ sky Terran is free win 😂

[@OlovMetal]

Zerg nerfed to hell. It sucks!

[@Collin-h6l]

I'm sorry winter Im posting this until I get an answer. I DONT DO REDDIT! Physics is wrong and here is why. Objects moving at the speed of light have "superposition in time". Basically an object moving at the speed of light is in more times at one time since it doesn't move through time. If it experiences multiple events along it's trajectory, it experiences all those event as happening at the same time. So we see it interact with one and then interact with another while it experiences those interactions as happening at the same time. Since it experiences those interactions at the same time, I argue that it is in more than one time at one time since it interacted with both at the same time, according to it's perspective..... Because it's not moving through time, the photon experiences multiple events at the same time while we see it experience events happening one at a time. Which is why you can interact with a photons present as well as it's past because, the photon is. Still in the past. Also that means that sun that is some distance away from you can be equated to time. Because it takes light 8 seconds to reach you from the sun, the sun is 8 seconds in the past. Distance=time. So all that stuff they say is dead when you see it,.... It is not. If it takes you 8 seconds to get to the sun, you just went 8 seconds in the past. So you arrive there how you see it from earth. And I feel this si way more intuitive, because why else would you slow down int time if distance did not equal time. This way I don't have ridiculous time space dilemma's with space expanding and shrinking as I change velocity for an object. If I travel c * 3 Distance away from earth I am 3 seconds in the past. So If you are looking at earth from 3 seconds away and it takes you 3 seconds to get here it is as if you arrived here instantaneously to your perspective with no weird stupid time space Lorenze garbage. In fact I never understood Lorenz. Always thought it was funny. I dont think it is true.

[@andrewbailey7045]

You don't actually understand any of the concepts you're talking about. You are mathematically and philosophically wrong. It isn't even close; this is Terrance Howard levels of schizobabble. Stop smoking weed, get a shower and take your meds.

[@shnma5]

Finally BC content. Thanks Jimmy

[@didjunho]

Day 60 of thank you winter

[@Dark_Silver]

sometimes it looks like Harsten is better than Clem, in his spiking moments

[@amazingkool]

SC2 doesn't have lan support? According to google Wings of liberty came out in 2010 and the game seriously doesnt have lan support??

[@Azrael178]

im a simple men. BC=View

[@neruneri]

I love Mech. It's fun to watch the skill involved in marine drops especially in the early and midgame, but bio terran really isn't that fun to watch lategame. Mech is a hoot all the way through.

[@xnotz]

zerg protoss terran ... dislike terran

[@guibettio578]

most famous, and still efficient click bait: battlecruiser tittle!

[@macallanswinney186]

Soup 87

[@MaruBlanca-w2s]

at what cost. My new password

[@JCHuberson]

Did they really buff terran? OMG lol. As if they arent good enough.

[@hivetech4903]

No they did not lol, wtf are you talking about 😂

[@JCHuberson]

@@hivetech4903 What league are you in 1v1? It is relevant

[@hivetech4903]

@@JCHuberson 4.5K MMR. Your turn to answer the question?

[@JCHuberson]

@@hivetech4903 lets play 1v1. You can find out

[@JCHuberson]

@@hivetech4903 lets play 1v1 and you can find out.

[@michaeltimmermann4228]

My 3 generals would be gumiho as the fleet admiral, Maru for his ironclad defence & clem for his perfect offensive cabability

[@TudusElito]

New mass BC"s?? Still Catfishin here..

[@cole3062]

who farted at 23:40? ??

[@simonrada7182]

huh?

[@cole3062]

@@simonrada7182 it was me

[@MaruBlanca-w2s]

Us Terran players are getting better, cause we have to

[@JasonStobbe-p5f]

I found these matches extremely boring. Usually the matches are pretty intense. Of course I’m usually watching Clem.

[@SeraphRyan]

These games are taking too long. Terran needs more buffs, maybe 2 damage to marines and +10 hp from start of game, remove combat shield upgrade. Since they are in armor to begin with, should get +1 armor too. Games with terran shouldn't take this long.

[@altonito777]

I hope you are joking xD terran got buffed enough as it is

[@SeraphRyan]

@@altonito777 I was going to point out I was trying to be obvious sarcasm.. but I think there are actually people who would see my comment and be like "That sounds like a good idea" Its mostly cause the -Terran- balance council seems to favor a certain race.

[@altonito777]

​@SeraphRyan The fact that you were saying "those game takes too long" to me made it seem like it was not sarcasm even tho that was my initial thought haha but I don't think people will think this is a good idea at least I hope so 😅 maybe those who abused the bugged cyclone would like it, since balance is not a problem as long as it favors them

[@juanofreniko]

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