Winwing Orion 2 Review

[@magniankh]

Short and to the point for normal people, thank you!

[@DenialDan]

you're welcome! I personally hate when people ramble on and on about things that aren't related

[@vectieba]

When assembling the throttle, do not screw in the first screw completely, do it about half way then do the second screw. When both are in about half way you can start tightening both screws. This will prevent cross threading the screws.

[@faelwolf1177]

You're talking about leaving a big of play to help with alignment, not cross threading. Very good idea. When starting a screw, turn it backwards with slight pressure until you feel/hear a slight click. You have then found the thread lead, and lined up the screw thread with the threaded hole, and you won't cross thread. Old machinist's trick. And yeah, I'm an old machinist! lol

[@bretttrommler756]

Okay, I finally got the fourth piece of my system this morning (the stick grip) and got to try it out. The system isn't perfect, but I gotta say, this stick is absolutely amazing! The first plane I flew was the L-39ZA in DCS. I did this because since 2007 until my recent retirement, I was a maintenance tech specializing in avionics at a place that specializes in L-39 maintenance and refurbishment. I have flown in an L-39 many, many times and have some stick time in this aircraft. Even though the Winwing stick is not FFB which would be appropriate since the L-39 is all manual control surfaces (no hydraulics), it still felt spot on. There is absolutely no slop in the stick, once it is calibrated, the stick returns to the exact same position every time. And the resistance increases proportionally as you move away from center. It just feels right. Can't say enough good about it. I like the way all the hats and most of the buttons feel and it seems to be ergonomically sound. I got the F-16 grip cuz it has one more hat than the F-18 grip. I also ordered the add-on module for the rumble motor although I haven't received it yet. I got that because the stock F-16 stick doesn't have an X/Y axis which I use a lot for strafing in space sims. Anyway, if I had to say a negative about the stick and base, it would be the way the second stage of the trigger feels. Instead of a switch clicking, it feels more like a cam overcoming a spring or something. It just feels weird to me, but really not much of an issue. I also love the throttle and base. I will be adding the finger lift kit for afterburner and cut off, however I have a bit more dislikes on that. To me, the arrangement of the knobs and switches feels kind of haphazard. Like, we have a couple switches here but we need one more so lets stick it in here between these knobs. Also, and this is just personal preference, all of the knobs and switches are pre-labeled to mostly FA-18 nomenclature. Now, I love the DCS Hornet and I fly it frequently. But I fly many other aircraft and spacecraft as well. I would have preferred more generic labels on the thing. I have also noticed that the hat switches are a good deal stiffer on the throttle than they are on the stick. Again, not much of an issue. Overall so far I would probably give it a 9 out of 10.

[@DenialDan]

That's awesome! Hope you enjoy retirement! Overall the stick is pretty awesome for the price range compared ro some of the others out there for similar cost. I hope you enjoy it as much as I have! 6 or so months and still no issues yet (finger lift for the f-18 throttle should've been slightly narrower as it rubs slightly on the throttle levers but the convince of more efficient throttle management is nice) Also After Burner can be tweaked in the application for where you want your AB to kick in so they're programming is definitely nice compared so some of the other brands. If you want to fly DCS with me some time just ask!

[@Nightsd01]

The Winwing Orion absolutely brilliant. I’ve had so many different kinds of HOTAS for DCS and none of them even come close. The build quality and functionality is truly genius.

[@daniela9171]

instead of relying on suction cups, remove them and use heavy duty velcro tape.. Works perfectly

[@DenialDan]

Yeah, I'd like to get the desk drop mounts. The cups aren't bad, and don't really move around but that's a good recommendation! Thanks

[@jingleban]

Anyone tried some Command Strips?

[@thexfactor8928]

Thanks for this review since I've been on the fence about taking the dive into DCS and researching different HOTAS setups. Really liked the intro with the lighting and the mini cinematic.

[@DenialDan]

Heck yeah man!!!

[@blair91234]

what did you end up going with? you happy with it?

[@thexfactor8928]

@@blair91234 I went with the Orion 2 Max version. Only difference is that the joystick has a add on kit for two additional buttons. If you want a recommendation for desk mounts look into Monstertech. The other piece of kit was the Virpil Interceptor rudder pedals. After five months of using them I am really happy with this combo and well worth the money. The set up works great for classic war birds and modern jets. It's also easy to learn the placement of the switches so if you're flying with a vr headset it's a nice plus.

[@ameerr.7614]

Hey sorry to jump in, but I heard in another review by MYSH that this stick (the orion 2) "doesnt have a twist" or a "twist axis". I'm very new to flight sims, and to be honest I couldn't find a clear explination on google of what he meant. That remark alone is holding me back from investing in this interesting flight stick. Do you have an idea on what ge said?

[@tiitustepponen9849]

That you cannot the twist the stick which is usually used as a rudder axis. This shouldn't really be a deal breaker because rudder pedals are recommended anyways.@@ameerr.7614

[@DeDuctionUSN]

Just ordered mine yesterday and can't wait to use it, i'm coming from a t16000m and definitely ready for an upgrade! Great video!

[@DenialDan]

Huge upgrade! I hope you enjoy! It's a great hotas

[@pricelessppp]

@@DenialDan Would you recommend the X56? I notice this stick doesn’t have Z access so I wouldn’t have enough for rudder pedals. I play a mix of DCS/ FA18/FS2020 hard core and casual sim games also. Would a X56 be a significant upgrade from the T1600M? If I can’t budget for the Orion setup?

[@DenialDan]

@@pricelessppp I don't have personal experience with it but I hear a lot of people use them and are happy with them. I'd say I'd recommend them just on the price point. It's a good bang for the buck but again I have no real personal experience with it. Operator Drewski started his days with the x56 I beleive. I started with the cheapest stick (Logitech 3D Xtreme) which was limited on buttons (used alot of cntl, alt, and shift binds to add more functionality)

[@jonathonmcrae5671]

@@pricelessppp I've heard bad things about the X56. T16000M with the throttle mod is much better. Stick also uses the same sensor as the warthog so.

[@3dmax911]

I have the T16000 thrustmaster and i want to ask how is the air refuling? And i getting an uograde for sure Mabey thrustmaster worthog or the orion 2

[@nilstetzlaff9872]

I was not sure to get the orion 2 but your video brought me over the edge, i was looking up a lot of videos on the orion 2, by far yours was the most informative. heads up. great video, keep it up

[@DenialDan]

thanks man! I hope you enjoy yours as much as I have enjoyed mine

[@Dylan-zn7np]

Man I absolutely love the camera angles you got on that product. I am looking to buy it for Christmas and I love your review. Thx

[@DenialDan]

My pleasure! I bet you can't wait to get your hands on one!

[@themako530]

damn, this is WAY too underated. that intro was just fire and the review was also really good

[@DenialDan]

Thanks! I put alot of effort into it so I'm glad it turned out

[@jaxgrier9935]

Amazing video smooth edits this made my decision of what hotas to get way easier

[@DenialDan]

glad I could help!

[@usaf2011]

I purchased the Orion 2 F18 throttle with a VKB Gladiator stick, so so excited. Not sure if I made the best choice on the stick versus the Winwing one but I hear they are both fantastic. Appreciate the video

[@DenialDan]

I was really consider getting one of the lower end VKB sticks originally, I'm sure it was a good choice either way. You will have to let me know how it is

[@control_the_pet_population]

I have a VKB Gladiator, used it for about 10 months and it's been very, very solid. Depending on sale prices at any given moment, it's a great lower priced option to Winwing and Virpil.... really nails the "midrange" sweet spot both in price and quality. It's roughly 1/2 the cost of a comparable Winwing and 1/3rd the cost of a Virpil. Of course, it is primarily plastic internals where the higher end stuff is machined metal, but these appear to be very high quality plastic internals. Much better than an entry level T16000 or X52/X52 Pro. I'm about to upgrade to a Orion2 setup and sell my VKB to a friend, but I have absolutely no complaints with it so far... I'm just an old man who spends too much money on his hobbies.

[@DenialDan]

@@control_the_pet_population I considered getting the VKB gladiator but wanted the large number buttons and switches. I know they do make some lower end throttle quadrants that are more on par with a commercial flight sim controls but definitely good bang for the buck I imagine

[@control_the_pet_population]

@@DenialDan I didn't bother with VKB for the throttle, grabbed a TCWS throttle and eventually did the mod to replace the stock rails. Much like the VKB Gladiator is for sticks, the TCWS is probably the best bang for the buck in the "midrange" throttle segment... but it's definitely more "plasticky" and less substantial feeling than the Gladiator stick. But for people who want to stay in that midrange budget zone, the Gladiator + TCWS is probably the best overall HOTAS solution for under $300. I would likely have kept it for the foreseeable future. While the setup has some quirks/limitations, it does everything I need... but then Winwing goes off and has a sale and I couldn't resist.

[@DenialDan]

@@control_the_pet_population right on well if you decide to take the plunge you definitely won't be disappointed with the purchase. I'd be curious to see about if they plan on making rudder pedals

[@sabot8075]

Aslo caveat with the screws.... loosely seat all of them, then like tuning a drum tension them evenly on...as you tighten one youll feel the other will be looser. The screw threading is super precise so very easy to cross thread

[@bretttrommler756]

Okay, good. Glad to hear it as I am literally about to order this exact same setup for my desktop. My system will be mounted on Hikig desktop mounts so the suction cups won't be an issue.

[@DenialDan]

Yeah suction cups aren't awful just not the best on textured surfaces. Hope you enjoy the set up!

[@guillaumepare9651]

Thanks for review. A direct concurent of VKB. From what I've read, Winwing is more pricey but better except the hats that seems to be unpopular with many. Wonder if their software is better.

[@DenialDan]

If I ever get the chance to play with a vkb I'll let you know!

[@PCPAyLOAD]

Nice thing about that suction cup design is that you can easily swap then out for better ones from your local hardware store for under $10.

[@DenialDan]

hadn't thought about that, that's a good point

[@Jcee4]

@DenialDan Would I be correct in saying this is a better updated alternative to the warthog hotas. I'm upgrading from TM1600 hotas (so I know I won't be disappointed) and have my eye on this setup. I've seen the VBK and Virpil gear which looks great, but would also come with a 50% to 100% cost increase too for me.

[@DenialDan]

I'd say kind of. It's essentially the warthog but with way more buttons and levers at a slightly cheaper cost so definitely cost effective when comparing the 2.

[@Jcee4]

@@DenialDan Thanks for the swift reply, much appreciated.

[@DenialDan]

Plus winwing has come out with some cool accessories to accompany the hotas such as fligh panels and more recently their mfds that can come with an option for a working screens. I'd like to get some of their other accessories at some point since I've been pretty happy with their hotas

[@DenialDan]

@@Jcee4 no problem! That's what I'm here for. Answer any questions I may have missed within the video!

[@Jcee4]

@@DenialDan Yeah, the panels are really impressive, they are actually how I was introduced to the company having seen a review of them. I've always been into my flight sims, but I'm been getting more committed to buying high end gear to support it as I've got older :)

[@LoiteringReaper]

I use my Orion for Star Citizen, but the sci-fi game doesn't support the range of degrees that I want to use for idle, thrust, and afterburner; only thrust.

[@DenialDan]

I don't play star citizen but this is definitely a good thing to note. Hopefully people viewing will catch this comment!

[@RFXCasey]

I like your style and guys who buy their own HOTAS not given to them for free by some company charging too much so they can give away free stuff. Subbed.

[@DenialDan]

Right on man!

[@RagsHSC-7]

Very well done. In a couple weeks I'll be ordering the Orion 2 Max for the detent and I do believe it comes with the metal throttle handles. Question is, does the f-18 throttle assembly come with the f-18 joystick or is that an option between the F-16 EX viper or standard F-16 or Airbus for that matter?

[@DenialDan]

The orion 2 comes with f18 throttle and f16 stick. They do sell an f18 stick but I'm not entirely sure if you can get it with the orion bundle

[@rich97_]

Good job with the review man! Do you think the finger lift device is strictly necessary? I’ve read online that it’s a dealbreaker because it easily happens to cut off engines by mistake during landings with no finger lift and detents, and I’m worried because I ordered the one without it 🥲 what do you think about this and the lack of detents? Is it still good?

[@DenialDan]

I used the throttle without the finger lift and you don't technically need it. If it's DCS you would just not set the throttle shutoff. You can also tune the throttle settings in the sim app pro to make the detents (if you wanted to use the finger lift) to be exactly where you want AB to engage. You by no means need the finger lift and I had no issues with accidently shutting off the engine (the full back position acts sort of like a button so you just wouldn't bind it (engine shutoff). Hope that helps! Let me know if you have any other questions!

[@coogoog]

Well done, informative, everything i needed to make the right decision. Thanks 👍

[@deathrowy2k]

I will receive mine in a day or two, can't wait. I got the max version.

[@DenialDan]

Thats awesome! Hope you enjoy!

[@okisdr]

Same here, waiting for customs to release it!

[@deathrowy2k]

Received them and finally got them all the way set up Wednesday. They are fantastic!

[@khurram9043]

Received yesterday

[@DenialDan]

@@khurram9043 Right on!

[@Ravasssz]

Hey, I would like to order the Orion 2 throttle with the F18 grip. Basically the exact same unit that you have. Could you confirm that the detents on the throttle are fully removable to have no detents at all trough out the entire travel of the throttle? As I've seen in your video it looks like that but it is very important for me so I want confirmation :D Beside the F18 I fly other jets, but WW2 warbirds also and I fly GA in MSFS too, so the way I want it is to disable every single detent for warbirds and MSFS and have the detents when I fly jets in DCS. Also, what do you think about the build quality and the smoothness of the throttles? Is it still working well with no problem? And no changes in the smoothness of the throttle?

[@DenialDan]

The one I ordered doesn't have detents. There is an add-on module for the finger lift with adjustable detents that can be added/removed via 2 screws. As for the smoothness, you can make it basically have no resistance and have the throttle fall back/fourth under its own weight or you can make it very stiff by adjusting the tension screws. I think the quality is incredibly good and I haven't had any issues. The only thing I would keep in mind is you'd have to tweak the setting in simapp if you plan on playing IL2 as it isn't "numerous button" friendly but I think it is a great stick!

[@TheProtector737]

Hi! Thanks for the review! What do you think now after 10 months of buy?

[@DenialDan]

10 months later I still enjoy the hotas. I would be careful about the finger lift though. I bought one and had been using it but the black plastic piece that attaches to the metal grip broke on me. I informed winwing of the issue as it was a common one and they have added some support to that area. Hotas still running strong and I'm 100% happy with my purchase and will like continue to support the company by buying their product in the future

[@TheProtector737]

@@DenialDan Thanks for the info! So you replaced the fingerlift right?

[@DenialDan]

@TheProtector737 not the fingerlift but rather the piece the fingerlift mounts to. The new one had the improvement on it. I did fill in the spaces with epoxy on my one that didn't break just so I didn't have to deal with it again. I would imagine relatively new hotas would come with the fixed version. If you want pictures join my discord channel and I can send you the pictures

[@DenialDan]

@@TheProtector737 discord.gg/7J4vdAw6

[@TheProtector737]

@@DenialDan Thanks. I'll do that.

[@PCPAyLOAD]

Been looking at Winwing for a couple weeks now. Thanks for the review. yeah those suction cups seem kinda janky and only for smooth surfaces. So using my large mouse mat would not work with them. But mounting them seems like the best option.

[@DenialDan]

Yeah definitely! They o have some weight so it isn't too bad (loosened the tension on the throttle enough where the friction is just enough to hold the throttle in place without hold so easy to push through without moving the base

[@shaneduc]

I pulled the trigger on this hotas but the EX one. My only gripe is my 4 boxes all arrived on different days. To bad they don't put them in one box for shipping. I would paid 20 bucks more to get them at once.

[@DenialDan]

Yeah I wasn't really sure about that, It came within 7 days though so hard to complain with international shipping. 4 months in and so far the HOTAS is still going strong and I have been enjoying it! Hope you do too!

[@shaneduc]

@@DenialDan me 2 thanks. I have had experience with multiple shipment boxes being lost and weeks and months latter still not get them all. So I worry everytime. I have mounts that I got off Amazon that I can mount them to the desk.

[@DenialDan]

@@shaneduc I got the Foxx mounts and absolutely love them! The grip is good and for some reason the mounts work better with my brain with my hand movements

[@3dmax911]

thanks but in your opinion wich is better thrustmaster worthog or orion2 ??

[@DenialDan]

That would be hard to say as I haven't had any hands on experience with the worthog hotas. They're both great from I understand. I wish I had my hands on a thrustmaster so I could let you know. There are a bunch of great reviews out there on the thrust master. Nothing feels cheap on the winwing though

[@Paradigmfusion]

Does this stick (or any other of theirs) have a Zaxis? Twist azis is kind of a must for me since I am unable to use rudder pedals, I know they have an adapter in the catalog,m but it hasnt been in stock for atleast the last couple years.

[@DenialDan]

Stock it does not but they do sell a Z axis you can attach to the stick via the base. Kind of sucks it's an extra thing but they're do have it

[@Paradigmfusion]

@@DenialDan the only problem with the Z axis adapter is they never have it in stock. According to Winwing, that paticular one isnt made anymore and they havent made any headway with a new manufacturer for them, oh well guess Ims tuck with my X56 and VIRPIL is WAY too pricey.,

[@DenialDan]

@Paradigmfusion yeah they have some issues bit the product is definitely worth it especially for the price

[@ChrisPBacon-my7yt]

Sweet video bro. Pulling the trigger on this purchase now. Isn't it amazing that we drop thousands of dollars on a free to play game. 😂

[@DenialDan]

I have a spending problem 😂 shhh don't tell anyone

[@stufbaby]

$235 right meow! thanks for the review.

[@liam8060]

How long did it take deliver? I just bought mine and I was wondering how long it would take to get here sense it doesn’t say.

[@DenialDan]

About a week. Came in 4 seperate packages. First came on day 4 and the other three came around day 7. Will require signature upon delivery so if they miss you you can always swing by the fed ex facility to pick it up which is what I did

[@snux7364]

I'm looking at getting this stick later on in the year. Reading the description, both the F-16 and F-16EX grips are the same besides the extra buttons, so does the vibration motor do anything without them?

[@DenialDan]

The vibration motor is inside of the the little addition to the top of the stick (the EX). If you don't have the addition plugged in, there will be no vibration (it attaches to the top left side with the red button).

[@snux7364]

@@DenialDan ahh i see. Thanks

[@DenialDan]

@@snux7364 Nooo problem!

[@JSmith73]

Nice review, thanks! Looks like the throttle has a true plethora switches and sliders, will need to check it out further.

[@DenialDan]

Ample amount of switches for sure

[@blacknass1943]

best setup hardware you can get for jet sim :D and my choice ! MF Crosswind footpedals and wing wing hotas +stick prefeckt setting :D

[@DenialDan]

imlooking forward to winwings release of their own rudder pedals

[@CaptHalcyon]

You think this has enough buttons and such to fly the F-18 in DCS? still tryna decide for an upgrade for X-mas

[@DenialDan]

I still have a few buttons that I haven't found a use for yet so yes I would say it has more than enough buttons and switches to fill your needs

[@CaptHalcyon]

@@DenialDan For the f-18? That and the f15 r the only modules I own and i primarily fly the 18

[@DenialDan]

@@CaptHalcyon yeah, there is a lot of functions you can bind. I have all my sensors and necessary to fly the plane and use effectively aside form the MFD buttons for the screens

[@CaptHalcyon]

@@DenialDan Okay good to know. thank u

[@DenialDan]

@@CaptHalcyon no problem!

[@bretttrommler756]

Okay, got my throttle base today. Not sure why they shipped all the components separately instead of all in one big box. I would rather get it all at once. Anyway, I have seen that the older version of this base had detents for the throttle for idle cutoff and for afterburner. Is this newer version suppose to have that also? My throttle has the detents on the throttle arms but there are no rods or ball bearings in there to ride in these detents. Is that correct? Am I missing something?

[@DenialDan]

So the orion 2 has a finger lift that you can add. I'm leaning on preferring with out the fingerlift for dog fighting but the fingerlift add on is nice when it comes to managing fuel for longer missions. The add on has the dentents and they're adjustable

[@gregmilam2328]

Just order mine!! Thank you for a great review!!

[@DenialDan]

No problem! I've been really enjoying mine. Don't hesitate to reach out if you come across any issues, I may be able to answer or help

[@gregmilam2328]

@@DenialDan cool thank you!!

[@DenialDan]

@@gregmilam2328 no worries!

[@pryingvariable3473]

Thanks, this was the review i needed. The shipping does sting though and i feel would have been worth commenting on in the review.

[@DenialDan]

Yeah I kind of realized that but regardless even with the shipping I beleive its still little bit cheaper but definitely worth it

[@pryingvariable3473]

@@DenialDan Have you tired it with IL2 at all? I ask becasue im concerned about the 64 button limit being a issue.

[@DenialDan]

@@pryingvariable3473 I have IL2 but I haven't tried it since I got the HOTAS so it would be hard for me to say. From what I understand is there is a setting in the simapppro there is a setting that allows the device to be read as 4 devices (some people have issues, I haven't tried it yet) and you can change how switches function so that is is less buttons (i.e. switch to slider or disabling the 3 position switches "getting rid of center" etc.) IL2 is not super friendly when it comes to devices with lots of buttons but many people say they have got theirs to work. Might take some experimentation.

[@Test1ngOneTwo]

ngl as soon as i saw the intro i had to just smile and like the video lol :D

[@RabbitHoleAdventures]

Thank you for making this video!

[@DenialDan]

You're welcome!

[@juanete69]

Hello. In the same price range... What should I buy: Virpil, VBK or Winwing?

[@DenialDan]

I guess it depends. If you're wanting a HOTAS VKB doesn't offer a actual HOTAS throttle just some regular levers so it it would be between a Virpil and WinWing. Virpil is gonna run $600 USD for both stick and throttle (not sure if shipping is included in that) vs WinWing being $400 for an Orion 2 ($470 with shipping all said and done). So it really just depends on hw to want your buttons and levers to be laid out. I personally went with the winwing because it was the cheaper of the 2 and had more buttons and dials and such but like I said just depends on how you want your ergonomics

[@sanmybdbd1090]

Do you have any problems operating with no detents? When I ordered I wasn’t aware that no finger lift means no detents hahaha.

[@DenialDan]

I don't have any issues. I plan on getting the finger lift. But it isn't really necessary. For DCS just means there will be a slight dead zone at the back of the throttle if you don't want to accidentally shut the engines off. I'll do a review on the finger lift at something when I order one. Hope that helps

[@Test1ngOneTwo]

yeah, it’s kinda weird, i ordered the F/A 18 Hotas Combo from their Store and im not even sure if the Finger Lifts are included in the Package.

[@mastafoo886]

@@DenialDan ive got the finger lifts on mine. they are nice to have. They do make a hard stop before cutoff (good) and you can pretty easily push thru the AB detent. They come with an optional middle detent, and you can adjust where that one goes, but I chose to not use it; i play plenty of space and terrestrial flight games/sims so the extra detent would have just hampered my space games. Out of the box, they squeak pretty bad when pushing thru a detent but a little nyogel 767a on the part that moves across the plastic fixed that right up

[@DenialDan]

@@mastafoo886 I've heard about the squeak, I figured some kind of plastic safe lube would help. I was gonna test it. Thanks for the tip!

[@mastafoo886]

@@DenialDan of course, were all in this together! Im in the midst of building an at home cockpit more or less around this thing

[@rodrigolara]

I'm really interested in this set. But will I have to necessarily own a rudder pedal set to use it or is there a way to map rudder controls in a good way with this set?

[@DenialDan]

you could do a number of things. one would be to get their z-axis module to give the stick a twist axis (but cost little over half what some cheap rudder pedals cost so might as well just get pedals at that point) two could be binding one of the sliders on the base (would be janky but would work) three could be just using arrow keys as a rudder (little more jank as it would be full rudder input or no input so no in-between) four would be to buy a cheap set of rudder pedals Just depends on what you're willing to deal with, I personally prefer having pedals but there's options

[@rodrigolara]

@@DenialDan precious infos here! Using the analog stick of the throttle would be an option too?

[@DenialDan]

@@rodrigolara idk if the dials would work but the small silver levers should since they can control axis

[@harksgaming7455]

Have you had any problems with it so far?

[@DenialDan]

I had a plastic piece break (only an issue with the fingerlift) but they have added a support to the weak area. If you google "winwing lever break" should be the first image is what broke. Just a weak spot but again I gave them feed back and they added support to the weak spot.other than that no the HOTAS has been great

[@harksgaming7455]

@@DenialDan Thanks for your response! I'm thinking between Virpil and WinWing right now. Really hope Virpil makes some full hydraulic motion, force feedback and heated grips! This would be awesome, aswell with real life replicas.

[@DenialDan]

@harksgaming7455 yeah that'd be pretty cool! I was bouncing back and fourth I just settled on price. I know some prices changed around but they just released the f15 throttle so might be able to get the bundle cheapest now

[@scottv3337]

Can the bottom base plate be removed from the joystick in order to install the joystick onto a drop desk mount?

[@DenialDan]

The base plate has some lips on either end where little screws go through for mounting to base plate. Same holes are used for the suction cups

[@boldlord6937]

Guys the price is still stupid cheap I highly recommend getting it

[@rcworkshop1925]

Quick question does this stick have progressive resistance? Also is the trigger and throttle handle metal. Thanks in advance.

[@DenialDan]

Yes there is a bit of progressive resistance that is most noticeable when you get closer to the full range of motion (I do beleive they also have a spring/dampening kit you can add if you don't feel it as stiff enough) but is stiff enough in my opinion. The trigger is a sturdy plastic and the throttle grip is metal

[@rcworkshop1925]

@@DenialDanthank you so much for the quick reply, your review was very helpful.

[@DenialDan]

@Rc Workshop no problem! If you decide to get it I hope you enjoy it as much as I have!

[@rcworkshop1925]

a couple last questions, does the trigger feel solid and satisfying to press, or plasticky? As this is something that matters to me. Also does the stick have a dead zone? Does it feel smooth? Thank you so much!

[@DenialDan]

@Rc Workshop the first stage is smooth with a solid click when you engage the second stage of the trigger. And I have not experience a dead zone so far while using the stick

[@ludwig8334]

how well would these work with other flight sims/games?

[@DenialDan]

As long as the games settings allow you to tune your axis curve if not might be a little sensative, but pretty good. Some games might require you to change a setting the sim app to make the device read as 4 seperate devices in order to get all of the buttons to function (I think IL-2 is that way)

[@DenialDan]

I've used it in War Thunder, Arma 3, DCS and IL-2

[@ch0asnature]

Nice review - I ordered mine and missed the fact that it doesn't have a z-axis, and I do not want rudder pedals - so it's just sitting there collecting dust, if anyone has an idea os a workaround other than the rudder path please leave comments. I don't mind putting a warthug grip on the winwing base if possible to get my z-axis.

[@DenialDan]

They sell a z axis module, it's a little pricey but still cheaper than rudder pedals

[@ch0asnature]

@@DenialDan No they don't...if you know a link please send it, its not on their site, its out of stuck for more than 2 years now

[@DenialDan]

@Chaos Nature oh there's only one on there site. I wasn't aware the item was out of stock. I'm sorry

[@ch0asnature]

@@DenialDan no, its out of stuck , if you find a sale point pls link it here

[@brianbell9540]

@@ch0asnature That Z axis is only for their Super Libra Airbus stick. I don't believe it is compatible with the Orion series. I don't believe the Orion base has input/outputs to recognize Z-Axis

[@eXcelcoVert]

couple months after you got any updates for us?

[@DenialDan]

HOTAS is still going strong and I have had any issues with it. I did aquire the finger lift and I like it but the finger lift could've been a little narrower as it rubs the throttle lever in between a little but the HOTAS as a whole is awesome and reliable in the 6 months or so that I've had it

[@eXcelcoVert]

@@DenialDan glad to hear that because o was looking at the Hotas max but after a long internal battle I have decided to get the base kit and if I like flying a whole lot I'll get the Max accessories

[@DenialDan]

@Tommyo Patrice you can get away without the accessories, they're not necessary by any means

[@lithium25693]

Does the rotary knob turn infinitely? I'm looking for a throttle with a rotary knob I can turn as many times as I need like for a hand crank

[@DenialDan]

The 4 small black ones can rotate infinitely. The big knob towards the front of the base only has 3 positions.

[@lithium25693]

@@DenialDan that's great I can also use one of the other 3 knobs as a substitute for a mouse scroll wheel too

[@DenialDan]

I would imagine you could with how it's axis is set up. Opens up some options for sure

[@binbui912]

first time having hotas any tip for how it setup for war thunder and dcs ? thanks

[@DenialDan]

Roll and yaw axis. I'd give a little curve to it so you can can just a little more control with slight stick movements. As far as buttons, that one will be personal preference.

[@DenialDan]

On war thunder I'd go through and clear pretty much almost all of the bindings and set them manually. I think war thunder tries to prebind things and it makes some weird working hiccups if not but that may have just been me accidently pressing something. In terms of DCS, I would go in the mission editor and plop a plane down. Go through some of the tutorials the game presents and then mess with it yourself in the mission editor. There's also quite a few tutorials regarding dcs module setup with a bunch of key bindings needed. At some point I'd like to make a really simplified setup video that's is short and to the point

[@davinsurber4147]

I'm having shipment issues and its really annoying. When im in checkout, it says that the postal code doesn't match their recommended postal code, and it won't let me change it. Do you have any ideas?

[@DenialDan]

You may need to add the +4 code after your zip code. I had an issue but mine was with the district section (classifies as county I believe). I got around my issue by creating an address in the address book on the top right of the shipping details window. Let me know if that works.

[@davinsurber4147]

@@DenialDan thank you so much! i got it all figured out! i appreciate the help a lot😁

[@DenialDan]

@@davinsurber4147 Antime! Enjoy!

[@sergeantmars2640]

is there any option to install a Idle detnent without having the fingerlift kit for the Orion2?

[@DenialDan]

At the moment, I am unsure. It just screws into the base so I presume you could make one (3D print or trial an error). Someone may have a 3D file online somewhere but I have not looked

[@Nsane211]

Why no shake? thx for the vid

[@DenialDan]

I'm not quite sure what you mean?? lol this is the first video I've made with this kind of editing!

[@Nsane211]

@@DenialDan I thought the f16ex came with shake aka rumble

[@DenialDan]

@@Nsane211 Ohhh there is 2 versions, a slightly cheaper without the shake kit and one with a shake kit. Both the Orion and the F16 kits have a version with and without. I just bought the one without the shake kit. I'll get eventually and review

[@xxSgt_Aryes]

I have an omen nvidia 3060 laptop. It does have USB slots, will this combo work ok?

[@DenialDan]

As long as you have the available USB slots I would imagine it would be okay. You may have to use a Bluetooth mouse if you only have 2 slots.

[@Rawbful]

Can anyone tell me the overall dimensions and mounting hole dimensions on the Winwing Orion2 Throttle Base and Orion2 Joystick Base?

[@yamahayz228]

did you ever get a desk mount if so which one

[@DenialDan]

fox mounts

[@yamahayz228]

@@DenialDan thank you. How have you been enjoying them/ how’s the build quality

[@yamahayz228]

@@DenialDanalso do you still use this hotas?

[@DenialDan]

@@yamahayz228 build quality was pretty good. i did have a piece break and gave feedback to the company and they reinforced it on all of the new ones they're selling.

[@DenialDan]

@@yamahayz228 as for using it, it is the only one hotas I do use. I really like it

[@kon1351]

Can you add curves to simapp pro for joysticks

[@DenialDan]

Yes, its under their virtual device mapping tab and you can select a device you're wanting to add the curvature to!

[@kon1351]

@@DenialDan ok is there anywhere i can see this on youtube new to simapp pro

[@DenialDan]

@@kon1351 I'm looking, haven't found anything on youtube so far, I'm gonna keep looking and if I can't find one, I'll make a quick video on the setting

[@DenialDan]

@@kon1351 kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJ2TdHuaZqefgsk&ab_channel=thesimulationexperience This video briefly mentions it for like 2 seconds @ 0:50, doesn't go into it on this video though

[@kon1351]

@@DenialDan Thanks for your efforts .

[@dreaux88]

Please raise audio

[@Valern13]

is it compatible with FS2020?

[@DenialDan]

I don't personally own FS2020 so would be hard for me to say. The winwing has some programming in their sim app that you can mess with settings (breaking the hotas from one system to being read as 4 seperate usb devices) depending on the games ability to register how many buttons there are so I'd imagine it would function fine. I'd look to reddit or some forums on compatibility. I don't suspect there would be an issue but you may have to play with the settings.

[@JETMATE1]

On my orion 2 throttel base the RX Axis doesn't work😢 please help

[@DenialDan]

what do you mean stopped working?

[@JETMATE1]

@@DenialDan It simply doesn't work anymore😕

[@DenialDan]

@JETMATE1 first I'd check the plugs and that they are in fully. Next I'd change which usb port you're plugged into. Then I'd go into their sim app and calibrate the lever.

[@jota5aviaton270]

Is it compatible with Xbox?

[@DenialDan]

unfortunately I do not know the answer to this but I would assume with complexity of the hard ware I would assume probably not. Would be a lot of buttons for console games to support

[@arose001]

You did not pay 399.00

[@DenialDan]

At the time of making the video the price was $399 plus the shipping. I think it has sense changed because that was nearly a year ago

[@DenialDan]

The max version is $500

[@rfcdgaf]

Those suction cups look cheap AF for a $400 USD hotas ... so out of place

[@DenialDan]

They aren't awful at first but if you move it a bunch they wear out pretty quick. I got some mounts now though

[@MosoKaiser]

Probably best considered just a freebie bonus, though. A HOTAS set like this really isn't ideal for tabletop use anyway, being pretty tall; best used with desk mounts that place them much more ergonomically.