Winwing Product Announcements (FSExpo 2024) including a Taurus Force Feedback Joystick Base

Tony Lin, the product design consultant for Winwing, presents hardware announcements for Winwing including multiple general aviation items (MIP 320 EFIS L & R, MIP 320 MCDU, MIP 320 RMP, MIP 737 MCP, MIP 737 EFIS L & R, MIP 737 CDU. Ursa Minor Airline Joysticks L & R) as well as military flight sim-related items (F-18 Joystick Version 2 and a Cyber Taurus Force Feedback Joystick Base).
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This video was clipped from the FSExpo 2024 live stream presented by the Flight Simulator Association held on June 21, 2024 at the Rio in Las Vegas.
FSExpo is North America's Community-Driven Flight Simulation Convention with exhibits, seminars, product-reveals, and more. Participation is possible in-person or online.
Learn more about FSExpo here: flightsimexpo.com.
FSEXpo is organized by the Flight Sim Association (FSA). FSA is a community of flight simmers, pilots, and developers. Learn more about the FSA at their website (flightsimassoc...), join their discord (flightsimassoc..., or follow them on KZbin ‪@FlightSimExpo‬.

[@grasstreefarmer]

2 force feedback bases announced at the same expo. Finally the scene is really heating up and hopefully over priced spring and cam gimbals will be a thing of the past, just as belt drive wheels are all but gone from sim racing. So far it seems Moza might have the advantage with their more open system but I'm sure we will all be looking forward to seeing them in action.

[@GW2Vids1]

What happened? Did the patent expire?

[@GW2Vids1]

@@maksciesielski3464 moza flight gear

[@FlameBot]

​@@GW2Vids1yes. Finally

[@SIMRIG412]

Has nothing to do with a patent! You know how many products have patents and still have companies that make the same shit to complete! It’s called companies have been lazy and over charging for none ffb stick because people were buying them lol. And if it had to do with a patent and it just expired companies wouldn’t already have ffb stick basically ready

[@stewmanji]

There were actually 3, if you can believe it. Winwing, Moza, and Flitesim.com. You wonder how long it will be before VKB and Virpil join the race. Exciting times.

[@bullitthead7853]

Dude announces 737 control panels, applause and excitement. Dude announces a freaking force feedback Taurus, no response. We need to get some more military flight sim enthusiasts at that expo!

[@stewmanji]

Hahaha, truth! Next year I’ll do my part!

[@NumbersLetters_]

Yeah I noticed that too haha, very jarring

[@MixologistMilo]

Force feedback anything 👍

[@jakesixx2726]

There are decades of younger flight sim enthusiasts that have no idea what FFB can do because a sidewinder joystick has never been something they have experienced. Wish they would have spoken about the Super Taurus II throttle with auto throttle.

[@stewmanji]

@@jakesixx2726 Couldn’t agree more…on both counts. Hopefully we’ll hear more from Winwing soon!

[@channelvr1293]

The Sim community is waking up and that's a good thing for everybody. ❤

[@stewmanji]

Definitely a golden-age in terms of hardware. Here's hoping the software side follows their lead. Exciting times!

[@TPont7089]

It's important to get some hydratión before any public speech ...

[@hpharold23]

Please change the CDU & MCDU from soft keys to Hard Keys like in real life. I would pay extra $100 for that.

[@stewmanji]

I'm right there with you. Nothing worse than a mushy, soft key press on your hardware device.

[@fabiogoncalves1519]

No no no... Stick with the 129.95$ price... For 229.95$ it's getting pricey...

[@stewmanji]

@@fabiogoncalves1519 That’s a good point and my guess is they’re very price-conscious. Having two different options would be interesting but I don’t know how viable that is for most companies with products like these.

[@fabiogoncalves1519]

@@stewmanji the thing is that you already have companies that offer very realistic hardware, and if you have the money, go for it! Winwing is to "try" to offer the same experience to people that don't have the money to splash. I want the MCDU, the EFIS, the radio pannel, the transponder and the intercom pannel... Which mean that I'm gonna already spend a lot of money

[@stewmanji]

First video I've seen of the hardware and the keys appear to at least have a tactile "click" to them...even thought it's admittedly hard to tell. kzbin.infozstCnqPdMXI?si=SGYH21g5wUydBaXG

[@seanhannagan4885]

Nobody clapped at the force feedback but that is truly the most immersive piece of equipment that he announced.

[@stewmanji]

We’re gonna chalk it up to pure shock and amazement, hahaha. Definitely a more civilian flight sim oriented crowd though so I suppose it makes a bit of sense, but we needed the military flight sim fans in the room to make some noise!

[@PiNKMuDSimGaming]

why did the audience just sit there like stunned mullets when he announced the FFB base? Winwing & Moza bringing these to market is massive news for the flight sim community. 🤦‍♂ We have waited for basically 2 decades at this point for new FFB especially one with decent torque. I've got a vpforce Rhino so I'm in no rush to get a base but I'm hoping they start making yokes, rudder pedals & even a collective base too. Tbh even a ffb throttle would be nice. What I found since owning ffb is that the effects are cool & are good for immersion etc. but the best thing is the customization of the base. You can completely change the feel of the stick just by changing the profile, make it feel heavy or light, give it more or less dampening without adding any sticktion at all. Another awesome thing with ffb is trim, the stick will actually move with the trim (depends on the aircraft) & the absolute biggest benefactor of ffb in flight sims imho is helicopters. Real force trim in a heli is a total game changer. I'm stoked ww & moza have stepped up to the plate & are bringing FFB back to the main market. It will be interesting to see what FFB Thrustmaster brings out to match these........ in like 15yrs time🤣 TM is so slow to update or innovate it's sad to see. We just need Winwing to change the F-15E grip a tiny bit & we'll have an A-10 grip.

[@stewmanji]

I'm right there with you...I absolutely love my Rhino. As a former helo bubba, the force trim was the biggest thing I wanted and I haven't been disappointed. Seeing other vendors enter the space is incredibly cool and I hope they all push each other to develop even better products and innovate further. And totally agree about Thrustmaster...here we are and everyone's moving to Force Feedback and they only just realized they could make a customizable base. Maybe by 2030 they'll get in on this action. 🤣 In regards to the audience not reacting, my guess is that 95% of the crowd really didn't know what they were seeing as they fly with yokes or GA-specific gear. I've been shocked at how little crossover there seems to be between the two sides of the flight sim market (civilian vs military). Purely anecdotal, but even a lot of the major content creators who fly MSFS only dabble or never even try the likes of IL-2, DCS, BMS, etc. So, not sure if that explains all the silence, but it might go a long way. Thanks for your comment!

[@MarcReisSyllogism]

Thank God, finally the Force Feedback market is coming to life again! Can't wait to finally feel the force again!!

[@stewmanji]

It's really turning into the golden age for flight sim hardware in a lot of ways. Force Feedback is going to be a game changer for so many.

[@Schaschlik345]

I received the A320 FCU a few days ago and am absolutely blown away by its quality and price. I will probably buy all of those things shown here...

[@stewmanji]

Great to hear! I've got my eyes on one of their CDUs so I can use it with DCS. Pretty amazing prices for what they're offering.

[@justethical280]

Finally after decades some affordable stuff!! I'm gonna buy the 737 mcdu asap. rest will follow :)

[@PeypaMikko-1842]

Great announcements ! I'm looking forward to buying the new Cyber Taurus !

[@stewmanji]

I can't wait to find out what the price is...should be a huge year for Winwing!

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Stew...awesome stuff! Thanks for posting these!

[@stewmanji]

You're more than welcome! I'm glad people have found the clips useful. It was a great show this year and here's hoping the military side of the show continues to grow. I enjoy your channel's content, btw. Keep up the great work!

[@NicolasSilvaVasault]

daaang it, winwing going full force with flight sim stuff, i guess i'll have to move on from vkb :(

[@duguluse2089]

I have a lot of Winwing products, and I think they are very good. The FFB announcement is awesome, but for me to consider buying it, they need to have Thrustmaster/Virpil adapters. Would buy day 1 if I can use those Sticks on their base.

[@stewmanji]

Yeah, that's a great suggestion. From a consumer standpoint, they would all the major vendors would would unify around one, standardized connection format. That's where Moza's base could be intriguing. They specifically mentioned aiming for compatibility with multiple base types so we'll see what they can do. The initial video footage of it from another content creator showed it working with the Thrustmaster F-18 grip so that's promising.

[@marijnjc]

Ordered the A320 FCU half a year ago, still hasn't arrived, hope they fix their delivery times. I bet with these prices there will be a high demand.

[@stewmanji]

Man, that's one heck of a wait. Hopefully it will ship for you soon! And I completely agree, the demand for these products will be quite high.

[@-Angel-68]

WinWing делает нужные и качественные вещи для авиасимуляторов!Хотелось бы чтобы компания вернула в производство панели PTO 1 и PCR.

[@stewmanji]

Agreed, they make good products. Did you not care for the design of their new PTO 2 panel? I thought it did a nice job of merging the original panels into one, but I could understand preferring the original panels instead.

[@-Angel-68]

Мне PTO2 не очень понравилось и тем более что у меня есть PTO1 и мне нужна панель PCR.

[@ChristinanathanWesterfie-pr4jj]

Thanks!

[@stewmanji]

You’re welcome! Happy to help share all the announcements.

[@CarlssonLukas]

Wonder if they will make a Boeing yoke

[@stewmanji]

Great question. I would think they might end up building a full cockpit for both the Boeing and Airbus lines, ala what they've done with the F-18 so I wouldn't be surprised. It's really impressive how much hardware they're putting out this year.

[@BBOHumbug]

But when will the F18 Grip be ready to order? Have i missed this?

[@stewmanji]

Nope, you haven’t missed anything. All the manufacturers were light on details regarding release dates. The 737/Airbus stuff all mentioned 2025 but no date for the F-18 grip or Taurus force feedback base. Guess we’ll just have to stay tuned for more updates which hopefully won’t be too long of a wait.

[@flipcoin6301]

If they can fix their distribution model and hit retailers with in-stock product, they can be really competitive against Thrustmaster, Logitech and the boutique sim controls manufacturers.

[@corryGT]

That almost certainly would increase the cost. Thrustmaster and Logitech are not even making most of the products they are releasing. I see no issues with the distribution model, but from what I hear it varies depending on where one lives.

[@stewmanji]

@@corryGT Yeah, if you're lucky enough to live where they have a distribution center (EU, Canada, Australia, US, UK) then I think their model is working pretty well. We'll see how well they do shipping this many products to all those centers. Exciting times.

[@Shakerthreehundo]

i thought for sure they were gonna announce the new super taurus throttle

[@stewmanji]

Me too. Some folks on-site said they confirmed it was still in development, but sadly nothing official to share.

[@akillerdrummeryo]

Never buy winwing!!! Ever product that I have has broken. Two throttles, flight stick, F18 and F15 grips. Garbage!!! Can't wait to give Moza my money!

[@Melooka]

i'm using my hotas setup for almost 2 years now and the only thing that happened was a broken switch for which they quickly sent me a replacement

[@Capt_OscarMike]

I'm a pilot of 33 years but a heart attack has sidelined me and I sidelined myself not willing to risk any passagenger or anyone on the ground although I've passed all my medicals... So I started purchasing DCS modules and Il-2 and others...However, the complexity to just set these HOTAS and rudders up are archiac and as someone who may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer...I somehow earned Degrees in Chemistry and a Doctorate in Medicine (MD)...in addition to that, I've earned certifications to fly twin engine prop all the way up to mid-sized cabin jets such as the Challenger 300...during all of my years I have jumped out aircraft both fixed wing and rotorwing as often as I strapped in as PIC....Although I never flew air combat I was one of the guys being placed on the ground to do whatever it was we were tsked with doing...So I began having an itch that needed scratched so I invested heavily into DCS...but I wasn't in a position to purchase a $800 rudder pedals or a $450-$600 HOTAS system that even if I did I've struggled with the $300 budget system, TM T.16000M FCS...I thought to myself, am I this ignorant or just a case of not beng a gamer since my Atari Console in the early 80s....I'm still frustrated...Due to the components being modular is a massive plus.. and the UI is more straightforward for someone that has not "gamed" in decades and or who has been trapped within Apple's ecosystem for the past 30 years as well....Perhaps WinWing would consider allowing me to assist if I reach a point of comfort.... I just want to to enjoy a realistic flight sim experience without spending more on the peripherals than I do on the PC and monitor....I believe once the engineering aspect is resolved and mass production begins it is profit on the scale of furniture and jewelry and pharmacaceuticals.... WinWIng can make a huge dent and force others to lower their prizes or lose their market share...THERE IS NO WAY I CONSIDER SPENDING MONEY ON A TM A-10 WARTHOG HOTAS AND I WILL NOT PURCHASE FROM A BELARUSSIAN COMPANY (personal reasons with the Bealarussian Government not the company).... WinWIng, I would be honored to assist and be a testimonial for the influx of new players that are soon to overwhlem this genre or space...

[@PeypaMikko-1842]

Please, don't spread misinformations. Virpil moved their HQ and their factory to Lithuania (which is EU country, as most ppl know) and they don't support Russian so-called "Special Operation". They even changed their official colors to yellow and blue. Still, these were very nice announcements from Winwing. It's good to see a major actor kick down the prices with such audacity.

[@NumbersLetters_]

Paragraphs would be nice.

[@PiNKMuDSimGaming]

" I WILL NOT PURCHASE FROM A BELARUSSIAN COMPANY (personal reasons with the Bealarussian Government not the company" that's just dumb, sorry but it is. Why limit yourself on what you can buy due to self imposed sanctions? Virpil isn't based there anymore but even if it was who cares you'd be dealing with Virpil not the government of the country. Let the governments of the world play dumb games we already suffer enough financially & more why impose even more restrictions on yourself.

[@redtailpilot]

​@@PiNKMuDSimGaming LOL, I just made this same point to a guy on another video with regard to the Jetseat/Jetpad made in Russia by Andre (a private citizen who makes an awesome product for flight simulator). BTW, I wonder if this one knows that WinWing is based in China. My mancave and simpit has a melting pot of shit in it that keeps me happy. 😂