Virtual Reality Engineer Explains One Concept in 5 Levels of Difficulty | WIRED

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@dishakarim9242
@dishakarim9242 6 жыл бұрын
Mentioning John Carmack as just a Virtual Reality Engineer is the understatement of the millennium.
@charnielduterte3796
@charnielduterte3796 5 жыл бұрын
ikr it's like tagging a veteran as a smelly old person with ptsd
@UnchainedEruption
@UnchainedEruption 5 жыл бұрын
Well they do say "Oculus CTO" in description, not just a VR Engineer, but yeah, still an understatement. I was confused at first. Isn't this John Carmack--THE John Carmack, founder of id Software and creator of Wolfenstein 3D, Doom, Quake, etc.?
@tdelfino2509
@tdelfino2509 5 жыл бұрын
I mean, for better or worse, that's basically all he's doing now. Besides, he's not here to talk about Wolfenstein or Doom or Quake, he's here to talk about VR.
@mistermaker8374
@mistermaker8374 5 жыл бұрын
When John Carmack walks into the room you need a trumpeter. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hJynYYCug76SeNk
@reactnativetutorial651
@reactnativetutorial651 5 жыл бұрын
I wanted to like this but let's just keep it at 666 in honor of ID :)
@timleonard2668
@timleonard2668 6 жыл бұрын
"John Carmack explains 5 different concepts at the equal levels of difficulty"
@Painang89
@Painang89 4 жыл бұрын
Child = " I'm too young to die " Teen = " Hey, not too rough " Colleges Student = " Hurt me plenty " Grad Student = " Ultra-Violence " Expert = " Nightmare! "
@nomadine85
@nomadine85 4 жыл бұрын
This is the perfect comment. Thanks. That’s exactly what he’s doing.
@RooboliusBrandybuck
@RooboliusBrandybuck 6 жыл бұрын
I clicked on this video because I wanted to see John Carmack attempt to talk to a child.
@seasesh4073
@seasesh4073 5 жыл бұрын
Last time he did he almost got locked up lol
@skyr3x
@skyr3x 5 жыл бұрын
OR IN MINECRAFT
@brendanbarnard
@brendanbarnard 5 жыл бұрын
I loveJohn Carmack. I didnt look at the thumbnail before clicking on the video and when I saw it was him I got a million times more interested
@ArunCannan
@ArunCannan 5 жыл бұрын
Lol
@YamilGonzales
@YamilGonzales 5 жыл бұрын
Hahaha he lost the kid in like 20 seconds
@Air51
@Air51 5 жыл бұрын
He lost the 9 year old pretending to be a 5 year old at... "static.."
@TotalGAMIX
@TotalGAMIX 5 жыл бұрын
Lol yes no way that is a 5 year old
@raidone7413
@raidone7413 5 жыл бұрын
Ikr static is not in elementary schoolers vocab
@ayszhang
@ayszhang 4 жыл бұрын
Was thinking the exact same thing 😂
@eternalglow6483
@eternalglow6483 4 жыл бұрын
Gavin Innes Haha You guys act like 5 year olds are running around in diapers drinking out of sippy cups lol. They are a lot smarter than you are giving them credit for, my nephew is 5 and he’s a lot like the kid in the video.
@Ukitsu2
@Ukitsu2 4 жыл бұрын
Or at "intended".
@pongopea
@pongopea 3 жыл бұрын
fun fact for those who don’t know John Carmack: as a child, him and other children used thermite to break into their school to steal a computer, after being arrested and being mentally evaluated by a professional, John was described as a “brain on legs” him saying he’s “just” a VR engineer is basically saying a Navy Seal is just a cop
@nope9310
@nope9310 2 жыл бұрын
*is just the bouncer at a chess tournament.
@zackwumpus9364
@zackwumpus9364 Жыл бұрын
false, he later admitteded it was far more basic.
@pongopea
@pongopea Жыл бұрын
@@zackwumpus9364 🤓
@AlphaEnt2
@AlphaEnt2 6 жыл бұрын
VR Engineer? That's John f---ing Carmack
@StereoBucket
@StereoBucket 6 жыл бұрын
The title is for SEO I believe, if you're looking for VR videos, with this title you're more likely to come across it rather than if it said "John Carmack Explains One Concept..." instead.
@Blake4014
@Blake4014 6 жыл бұрын
He built the FPS genre and even dabbled in space engineering. Imagine what he could do if he chose to put his talents into AI development.
@charnielduterte3796
@charnielduterte3796 5 жыл бұрын
@@Blake4014 we already have elon musk lol
@beProsto
@beProsto 5 жыл бұрын
@@charnielduterte3796 Elon musk haven't did a thing in this way. John Carmack did.
@beProsto
@beProsto 5 жыл бұрын
@Freddie Green He is John f---ing Carmack.
@PeterDanielBerg
@PeterDanielBerg 7 жыл бұрын
Can you get Stephen King to explain fear at five different levels of difficulty?
@yashwinning
@yashwinning 6 жыл бұрын
It'd be a pretty short video. King would just say "boo" at 5 different levels of intensity
@4t0m5k
@4t0m5k 6 жыл бұрын
I'd guess he'd just stop at four and give enough nightmare fuel to imagine number 5 yourself.
@Spacio4321
@Spacio4321 6 жыл бұрын
Peter Daniel Berg Better get a psychologist for that.
@suicidalbanananana
@suicidalbanananana 6 жыл бұрын
News flash: stephen king died decades ago and over half 'his' books are not his.
@2ManArmy16
@2ManArmy16 6 жыл бұрын
Isnt this the Stephen king of virtual reality?🤔
@chunkylover5367
@chunkylover5367 7 жыл бұрын
I love how in level 1 and 2, he's still using complex words and the kids have no clue what he's talking about.
@ricksanchez8584
@ricksanchez8584 5 жыл бұрын
Right? The kid looked at him like "wtf is a hardware?"
@identiticrisis
@identiticrisis 5 жыл бұрын
Kids understand far more than they can explain to anyone. Like the way you can understand a fancy speech, or some foreign words, but couldn't (necessarily) reproduce any of it yourself.
@rinan9598
@rinan9598 5 жыл бұрын
Naw man he said rendering and I was flummoxed for the rest of my life
@benjaminchadwick8007
@benjaminchadwick8007 5 жыл бұрын
identiticrisis kinda like how some people could understand a language but not speak in that language?
@sirtimatbob
@sirtimatbob 5 жыл бұрын
He threw in a "static" as well and I'm not sure the kid knew what it meant, but it's ok. He did amazing. John Carmack is a legend in my books.
@illyay1337
@illyay1337 5 жыл бұрын
This title is almost like having like having Bill Gates in the interview and calling it, "Software engineer explains how Windows works". I say almost because, to be fair, more people know of Bill Gates than John Carmack.
@-loarado
@-loarado 5 жыл бұрын
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@charvikripalani2270
@charvikripalani2270 5 жыл бұрын
@@-loarado ...why...just...why?!
@unavailable2516
@unavailable2516 4 жыл бұрын
@@-loarado are you high???
@Spellweaver5
@Spellweaver5 4 жыл бұрын
Doom used to be installed on more computers than Windows once so I wouldn't be so sure.
@cryptohello7666
@cryptohello7666 4 жыл бұрын
@@Spellweaver5 in this day and age its not even a competition bill wins it
@tylerdurden69420
@tylerdurden69420 5 жыл бұрын
"Hi, I'm John Carmack... I'm a VR Engineer" "Hi, I'm John Romero... I'm a video game tester"
@mildpotato6895
@mildpotato6895 4 жыл бұрын
Hi, I’m John Quinoas... What would you do?
@5udimax
@5udimax 4 жыл бұрын
"Hi, I'm Adrian Carmack...I make art as a hobby"
@e2rqey
@e2rqey 4 жыл бұрын
Hi I'm Jesus Christ im a carpenter
@Miestwin
@Miestwin 4 жыл бұрын
"Hi, I'm Chris Avellone... I'm a consultant" "Hi, I'm Warren Spector... I'm a curriculum creator for UoT"
@spectacularpoopfly8464
@spectacularpoopfly8464 4 жыл бұрын
Hi I'm Poopfly and I'm.........lonely
@philipgodsworth4764
@philipgodsworth4764 6 жыл бұрын
Referring to John Carmack, the father of shooters, as a virtual reality engineer throws me off a bit.
@agamaz5650
@agamaz5650 6 жыл бұрын
I KNOW RIGHT. I was like OMGGG that is john carmack
@schplorgus8140
@schplorgus8140 5 жыл бұрын
remember that he was a programmer exploring new areas of technology; he's doing the same now romero is more of a father of shooters, since he actually designed them
@denisblack9897
@denisblack9897 5 жыл бұрын
Shooters are the first step, actually
@GroinMischief
@GroinMischief 5 жыл бұрын
I'm still playing Quake 1 today. It's not for nostalgia kicks, I just haven't been able to move on.
@zyloctal
@zyloctal 5 жыл бұрын
Shooters are so natural in VR, so it makes sense that He went toward this tech.
@Frisenette
@Frisenette 7 жыл бұрын
No way is that a five year old.
@locust76
@locust76 7 жыл бұрын
I know, right? Kid's fuckin' huge...
@Frisenette
@Frisenette 7 жыл бұрын
Salamihawk, not only that, he also acts and talks nothing like any five year old I’ve ever seen. Wonder why they felt the need to lie about his age?
@ernestmac13
@ernestmac13 7 жыл бұрын
Have you considered he meant 5th grader, but no one noticed the mistake until after they released the video; you do realize such things happen all the time right?
@Skyrilla
@Skyrilla 7 жыл бұрын
That's just the current generation's stock, man. They look, think, talk and act a decade older than what they really are. Blame society, the internet, growth hormones in our mass produced food and the fact that the bad guys won WW2.
@jose4343
@jose4343 7 жыл бұрын
Skyrilla hope thats a joke.
@metfan4l
@metfan4l 7 жыл бұрын
If someone can figure shit out, it's John Carmack. The technology is in good hands.
@TimBurtonTim
@TimBurtonTim 7 жыл бұрын
He was born to solve problems.
@imnottyler
@imnottyler 7 жыл бұрын
Ubisoft stay the fuck away from VR
@NachtFaenger
@NachtFaenger 7 жыл бұрын
Actually Ubisoft is the first big game company to have released VR titles yet, and they are quite good.
@Mucker-le6ld
@Mucker-le6ld 7 жыл бұрын
He's nothing but a corporate thief.
@carver7585
@carver7585 7 жыл бұрын
It's in good hands, but the demand just doesn't match what the tech companies hoped it would be. VR is cool for a little while, but it's not something that people want to use all the time, it's a novelty that wears off pretty fast. A year or so ago I would have said that VR is going to basically replace your TV and computer monitor completely. Now I don't think thats the case at all. I think VR is going to end up being more along the lines of surround sound systems for entertainment. They are cool and work pretty well, but the amount of consumers who really care enough about it to spend the money and do the setup is always going to be a small set of people. Not too long ago everyone was talking about how amazing VR is going to be and they were genuinely telling you what could happen in the future. But now, the people who are talking up VR are just the people trying to sell you products and services.
@pectoralismajor1097
@pectoralismajor1097 4 жыл бұрын
Carmack talking to a Child: "Alright, let me tell you about Quantum Fields and Proton Decay to get the Basics out of the way"
@Ashley-1917
@Ashley-1917 4 жыл бұрын
...Protons decay??
@vindieu
@vindieu 3 жыл бұрын
@@Ashley-1917 well in radioactivity, atoms lose neutrons don't they, so the atom after decay is left with its protons. idk ... ok just googled it, it seems that proton decay, is a thing indeed, but it's theoretical and is about sub-proton breakup en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton_decay
@Ashley-1917
@Ashley-1917 3 жыл бұрын
@@vindieu Wow that's pretty neat- I had no idea. Though it seems that while it could be possible, it is exceedingly rare, as the half-life of a proton is set to be 1.67*10^34, which I think is safe to say is essentially forever.
@namewastaken360
@namewastaken360 5 жыл бұрын
Hi I'm John Carmack, I'm the chief technology officer for Oculus AND I MADE DOOM!
@PeterTrapasso
@PeterTrapasso 5 жыл бұрын
namewastaken360 and Quake!
@filiplaskovski9993
@filiplaskovski9993 5 жыл бұрын
Peter Trapasso and the first ever game engine !!!!!!!!!
@christiancrawford4830
@christiancrawford4830 5 жыл бұрын
Yikes lol
@ErebuBat
@ErebuBat 4 жыл бұрын
And let’s not forget the entire FPS genre
@thepotatoof4219
@thepotatoof4219 4 жыл бұрын
@@PeterTrapasso Quake was made by Romero.
@ywjsiabvue
@ywjsiabvue 7 жыл бұрын
The kid's face is like, "What the fuck is he saying? I just play Minecraft"
@reinehahaha000
@reinehahaha000 7 жыл бұрын
You sure the boy is 5 years old and not a 5th grader?
@ronindebeatrice
@ronindebeatrice 7 жыл бұрын
bambiplushie Wouldn't he and the girl be roughly the same age then?
@txi_xecute9277
@txi_xecute9277 7 жыл бұрын
ronindebeatrice no, she would be in 7th or 8th grade
@ashleyking2791
@ashleyking2791 7 жыл бұрын
Th3 Ånønÿmøüš No, 5th grade is 10 years old. Your 13/14 years old in 8th grade.
@marcopolo3001
@marcopolo3001 7 жыл бұрын
The boy is raised on vitamin S
@CharlesTheClumsy
@CharlesTheClumsy 7 жыл бұрын
In Sweden people in 5th grade are 11-12
@Samouraii
@Samouraii 7 жыл бұрын
Cormack used to do 3 hour speeches about the future of video game technology at Quakecon. What a legend
@Clavus
@Clavus 7 жыл бұрын
He still holds unscripted speeches, under a bit stricter timeslot, at Oculus Connect each year. You can find them on Oculus' channel. Still the same Carmack as always.
@Antilles1974
@Antilles1974 6 жыл бұрын
Was he as boring then as he is now? Cause this put me to sleep (and I'm a gamer).
@Oogidahboogidah
@Oogidahboogidah 6 жыл бұрын
Antilles1974 if you were a real gamer you’d know that this man is worth listening to. He’s clearly dumbing this down for the kids.
@LazyBastard69
@LazyBastard69 6 жыл бұрын
If you were a true scotsman, you'de be eating haggis right now +Raskolnikov1227
@Phoen1x883
@Phoen1x883 6 жыл бұрын
No True Scotsmaning aside, he's right about Carmack. Put aside the group membership arguments and give this guy some time to talk, because he has spent multiple decades working with the nitty gritty details of the industry, and he has some really interesting insight on the technical details of tomorrow's games and the technology that powers them.
@theodyssey9177
@theodyssey9177 4 жыл бұрын
What are the parents feeding that “5 year old”
@psychowordsmith
@psychowordsmith 4 жыл бұрын
Elk meat.
@fabclark123
@fabclark123 4 жыл бұрын
green berets
@ahm6006
@ahm6006 4 жыл бұрын
This was funnier then it should've been.
@Silverfirefly1
@Silverfirefly1 4 жыл бұрын
It looks more like they took a 5 year old... and then fed it to their son.
@type-moonfag4413
@type-moonfag4413 4 жыл бұрын
Doom
@Neutronic01
@Neutronic01 5 жыл бұрын
"Or in Minecraft" Ah, I see you're a child of culture as well
@phan_8762
@phan_8762 5 жыл бұрын
cringe
@Neutronic01
@Neutronic01 5 жыл бұрын
phan wants waffles Ah, you must play Fortnite
@phan_8762
@phan_8762 5 жыл бұрын
@@Neutronic01 what makes you think
@fluzzy4517
@fluzzy4517 5 жыл бұрын
I think you mean man. Once you play Minecraft you become a man regardless of age
@TheXGamerNeedsRice
@TheXGamerNeedsRice 5 жыл бұрын
@@phan_8762 people who say "cringe" make me want to slit my wrists
@Captain.Fantastic
@Captain.Fantastic 7 жыл бұрын
John Carmack is really struggling to explain VR in "simple terms" to that first kid.
@mattlang5194
@mattlang5194 5 жыл бұрын
He didn't do a great job of explaining it to both of the first kids. The girl was nodding but he talked about rendering and concepts that were almost definitely above her knowledge level.
@X606
@X606 5 жыл бұрын
How to explain vr to a kid: Magic box glasses that make you see other worlds
@unknownunknowns
@unknownunknowns 5 жыл бұрын
If you can’t explain your job to a kid, then how can you understand your job at all? The simplicity is the foundation to the complex.
@aguy5353
@aguy5353 5 жыл бұрын
@@unknownunknowns I just think he is not very good at talking to kids. He likes his big words
@unknownunknowns
@unknownunknowns 5 жыл бұрын
Minemare535 Yes and that’s the thing. You got to be able to summarize your job since jobs have a specific goal to achieve.
@maxniehaus4384
@maxniehaus4384 7 жыл бұрын
What are they feeding that "5 year old"
@evilavatarcarmoe6730
@evilavatarcarmoe6730 7 жыл бұрын
Max Niehaus 10th graders
@jeremyedombingo
@jeremyedombingo 7 жыл бұрын
Max Niehaus minecraft blocks
@haiscore2614
@haiscore2614 6 жыл бұрын
Tipped the feds, go buy your mama a ring and tell her you love her because that'll be the last time hobag
@ii4371
@ii4371 6 жыл бұрын
Oh boy that's enough YT comment section for today.
@g4br9el
@g4br9el 6 жыл бұрын
Knowledge
@WarrenKLiu
@WarrenKLiu 5 жыл бұрын
John Carmack is the father of real time 3D graphics... calling him a VR engineer is a freaking insult.
@bernardusmuller1109
@bernardusmuller1109 5 жыл бұрын
What is currently the most important thing in VR? Real time 3D graphics...
@bernardusmuller1109
@bernardusmuller1109 5 жыл бұрын
Anyway he left Oculus and VR now, to do something more interesting!
@monad_tcp
@monad_tcp 4 жыл бұрын
@@bernardusmuller1109 rockets?
@bernardusmuller1109
@bernardusmuller1109 4 жыл бұрын
@@monad_tcp No general artificial intelligence.
@thepotatoof4219
@thepotatoof4219 4 жыл бұрын
What's real time 3D graphics?
@Euler123-h8n
@Euler123-h8n 5 жыл бұрын
The right title should be : "Programming god Explains..."
@YaroLord
@YaroLord 4 жыл бұрын
Or just "John Carmack speaking with mortals about VR"
@Estorium
@Estorium 4 жыл бұрын
God speaks to mortals.
@TheJPomp
@TheJPomp 5 жыл бұрын
Watching Carmack try to talk at a 5-year-old's level made my day.
@3oxisprimus848
@3oxisprimus848 5 жыл бұрын
Observe how he relaxes as he goes up the levels
@mattd7927
@mattd7927 4 жыл бұрын
The guy makes it possible to kill demons in 3D back in the 90’s and this is the title he gets.
@_moosh
@_moosh 7 жыл бұрын
"on top of a mountain, or in a dungeon, or under the ocean a-" "OR iN MiNeCraFt" "Yeah, or in minecraft...." I just... I can't...
@eplays9521
@eplays9521 6 жыл бұрын
If he was a 30 year old i would understand you not getting it, but he is a kid, he likes Minecraft, videogames and has no preoccupations whatsoever besides school, get over it.
@5e2c467cebac
@5e2c467cebac 6 жыл бұрын
@@eplays9521 right? I seriously don't understand why people get so butthurt about this.
@txicthmas1007
@txicthmas1007 6 жыл бұрын
@@eplays9521 relax, it was a joke. It was funny. Theres nothing to get over. Just a tonal shift that was comically timed. Nothing to get defensive or angry about pal.
@eplays9521
@eplays9521 6 жыл бұрын
Tøxic Thømas Im just saying it man. Not offending anyone, or getting to defensive. The thing is these people making fun of a KID for liking minecraft makes them look un mature and they end up looking edgier than they think.
@txicthmas1007
@txicthmas1007 6 жыл бұрын
@@eplays9521 no, see you're misunderstanding why it's funny. He isn't making fun of the kid for making minecraft, that isn't the point. It's funny because the guy is like "in vr you can be on top of a mountain, exploring a dangerous cave or even explore the vast underwater and-" and the kid interrupts him with "and minecraft!"
@conodigrom
@conodigrom 5 жыл бұрын
1. When JOHN CARMACK is in your video, your title says "JOHN CARMACK", not some generic job title!
@pavelh756
@pavelh756 5 жыл бұрын
"Virtual Reality Engineer"? His name is John Carmack, that's a title by itself :-D
@-loarado
@-loarado 5 жыл бұрын
*_Уes_*
@nathanrandomized3593
@nathanrandomized3593 4 жыл бұрын
Better title "We put John Carmack in this video"
@gc8972b
@gc8972b 4 жыл бұрын
I really think John is fine with that description. It doesn't matter. Hold your egos my brothers
@danielmorales4351
@danielmorales4351 7 жыл бұрын
girl came in like she was there for an interview
@mrabythomas
@mrabythomas 6 жыл бұрын
Daniel Morales hey you never know she might get hired by John Carmack
@TheSleathable
@TheSleathable 5 жыл бұрын
Sickening wasn't it
@caniscerulean
@caniscerulean 5 жыл бұрын
They forced me to take art history classes for a STEM major, so I'm gonna shoehorn realism vs romanticism into a discussion about VR and hope he hires me so I can pay off this student debt.
@DoubleDOwnage
@DoubleDOwnage 5 жыл бұрын
Crazier things have happened. If they told me I was going to sit down with John Carmack I might also dress to impress and brush up on his likes/dislikes.
@bork470
@bork470 5 жыл бұрын
@@caniscerulean yeah forreal, it was such an out of pocket response that was so unnecessarily off topic
@travisfahs6519
@travisfahs6519 7 жыл бұрын
The kid at the beginning and the guy at the end are the same person. Carmack talks a long time.
@karlkastor
@karlkastor 7 жыл бұрын
child: knows the concept of VR pre-teen: gets taught one possible improvement college student: knows how it gets realistic grad student: Hears the word realism and starts talking about the art movement of realism. (Okay, she does get how sound helps immersion) VR expert: Listens and promotes his game (the point about similified grafics is good, though)
@akramsergewa1016
@akramsergewa1016 4 жыл бұрын
The next episode starring Bill gates is titled "IT Guy Explains One Concept in 5 Levels"
@Isoquant
@Isoquant 4 жыл бұрын
Came here to see if John Carmack was capable of communicating with a child.
@etnm17
@etnm17 7 жыл бұрын
They actually met John fucking Carmack.
@СергейНаврожин
@СергейНаврожин 7 жыл бұрын
Attention span: kid - short, preteen - shortest, college student - medium, grad student - long, expert - longest, John Carmack - indefinite
@wille7319
@wille7319 7 жыл бұрын
I think the kid had really good attention span. He probably couldn't understand much of what Carmack was talking about, yet he kept eye contact and listened.
@gogyoo
@gogyoo 6 жыл бұрын
John Carmack - god mode. FTFY
@steve00alt70
@steve00alt70 6 жыл бұрын
The college boy is small?
@highonheroin5352
@highonheroin5352 5 жыл бұрын
His attention span is infinite because he understands like everything it seems lmao.
@ashishjog
@ashishjog 6 жыл бұрын
John : Do You know what Virtual Reality is!? Zachlewis : Yes, it's simple! - Zachlewis, 2017
@h4724-q6j
@h4724-q6j 5 жыл бұрын
You can't just downgrade John Freaking Carmack to "VR Engineer."
@PixelThorn
@PixelThorn 4 жыл бұрын
"some guy explains VR to..."
@ElectronIsABadTuber
@ElectronIsABadTuber 5 жыл бұрын
*sees Virtual Reality Engineer* “Oh, yeah, that’s coo-“ *sees the father of the FPS himself, mr John Carmack* “YES... YES... YESSSSSSS!”
@PKAmedia
@PKAmedia 4 жыл бұрын
When I say VR in the title I literally squinted at the thumbnail, and was like noooo it couldn't be could it. As soon as I saw it was, just the fastest click.
@leodahvee
@leodahvee 7 жыл бұрын
Now explain Quantum mechanics to 5 year olds
@badoli1074
@badoli1074 7 жыл бұрын
No real challenge for a Carmack.
@philv2529
@philv2529 7 жыл бұрын
I don't think anyone can explain Quantum mechanics to anyone. Some physicist once said something to the effect of, "Only three people on the planet really understand quantum mechanics....and I'm not too sure about one of them."
@wedmunds
@wedmunds 6 жыл бұрын
"Can you imagine a field of science so abstract and exotic that nearly no living scientist can fully understand it? That's quantum mechanics."
@weskergeorge97
@weskergeorge97 6 жыл бұрын
If Feynman was still alive it would be easy for him
@miniyodadude6604
@miniyodadude6604 6 жыл бұрын
so everything in the world is made out of these small dots called atoms
@djorphic
@djorphic 6 жыл бұрын
"5 year old" lol. Can confirm, the person that captioned that does not have kids.
@HandledToaster2
@HandledToaster2 5 жыл бұрын
My brother is 7 and he is about half the size of this kid
@natsuki4021
@natsuki4021 4 жыл бұрын
They might have meant 5th grader or something.
@jimsmith3715
@jimsmith3715 4 жыл бұрын
Ive seen some gigsntic kids before
@NoFeckingNamesLeft
@NoFeckingNamesLeft 4 жыл бұрын
5 year old giant. Nowhere in the vid does it say he's a human, don't just assume someone's species next time.
@CharlesTheClumsy
@CharlesTheClumsy 7 жыл бұрын
Is that the kid from "Up"?
@defaulte_
@defaulte_ 7 жыл бұрын
Charlie Clumsy Oh my god it is, you have opened my eyes.
@Mordeable
@Mordeable 7 жыл бұрын
R U S S E L L
@FLORESCREATES
@FLORESCREATES 6 жыл бұрын
Amazing LMAO
@gerbilpmc
@gerbilpmc 6 жыл бұрын
The kid looks so much older than 5
@LastvanLichtenGlorie
@LastvanLichtenGlorie 6 жыл бұрын
It's because he is 11.
@theopenrift
@theopenrift 5 жыл бұрын
Watching John Carmack explain virtual reality to a child melts my heart. As an Id software fanboy, this is perfect.
@Solaar_Punk
@Solaar_Punk Жыл бұрын
Same
@DoggyP00
@DoggyP00 5 жыл бұрын
John Carmack explain 5 different concepts to 5 different people
@lethalbroccoli01
@lethalbroccoli01 4 жыл бұрын
At the same difficulty!
@AKAMustang
@AKAMustang 7 жыл бұрын
Level 1: Ooohh a shinny thing Level 2: This old guy is weird Level 3: Holy shit balls, it's John Carmack! Level 4: Blah blah blah, boring irrelevance Level 5: Give us the good hardware already
@Siraj75
@Siraj75 6 жыл бұрын
I concur, don't know what garbage Level 4 was spewing!!! Level 1 pretty much nailed-it for me.
@bernardodc9631
@bernardodc9631 5 жыл бұрын
Level 4 was good man. Was like I know more than you
@aaaab384
@aaaab384 5 жыл бұрын
@@Splatterpunk_OldNewYork Worst thing, she didn't even have anything on her chest to look at while she talked nonsense. Completely useless chick, make him a sandwich or GTFO.
@yuhboi3968
@yuhboi3968 5 жыл бұрын
aa LMAO GAHDAYUM
@theguardian8317
@theguardian8317 5 жыл бұрын
Level 1: the kid is thinking: this guy is borring and talks too much. All I want is to play minecraft Level 4: Carmack iis thinking: this person is so borring and talks too much. All she wants is to be noticed
@scoreman
@scoreman 4 жыл бұрын
7:51 Mari: So I think those are pretty- Mari's brain: *Don't say 'cool' in front of John Carmack and the world* Mari: ...significant. Mari's brain: 🙂
@sageinit
@sageinit 3 жыл бұрын
🤣
@StarryShaw
@StarryShaw 5 жыл бұрын
I could listen to Carmack talk for hours. This guy is like the Albert Einstein of Hardware.
@fikayoadele7679
@fikayoadele7679 2 жыл бұрын
Albert Einstein of programming
@dandyroth
@dandyroth 4 жыл бұрын
"Oh cool a pre-teen, I can finally step up to foveated rendering"
@ChildofIcarus
@ChildofIcarus 4 жыл бұрын
The grad student was in interview mode. Good for her.
@hanssondaniel
@hanssondaniel 7 жыл бұрын
I could listen to Carmack talk about tech all day!
@TomH2681
@TomH2681 4 жыл бұрын
0:25 If that teenager is 5 years old, then I'm the Queen of England.
@alexiabastian4871
@alexiabastian4871 4 жыл бұрын
2:14 pre -teen
@speedsterh
@speedsterh 2 жыл бұрын
You mean you're dead ?
@xfox360
@xfox360 5 жыл бұрын
"Or in minecraft?" Thanks god that he didnt say fortnite
@a.wosaibi
@a.wosaibi 5 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly!!😂😂
@JoseRivera-rl3qv
@JoseRivera-rl3qv 5 жыл бұрын
Thats would be bad
@dustnoiseplays
@dustnoiseplays 5 жыл бұрын
BIG BRAIN
@BrushEm
@BrushEm 5 жыл бұрын
Yes fOrtNiTE bAD
@andrewmly9834
@andrewmly9834 5 жыл бұрын
fortnite bad minecraft good. laugh.
@anmolchauhan9513
@anmolchauhan9513 5 жыл бұрын
When I read the title, I thought it would be some random VR engineer. But it's freaking John Carmack!!
@swinny_
@swinny_ 5 жыл бұрын
"Virtual Reality Engineer" That John Carmack you peasant!
@Xweapon9099
@Xweapon9099 7 жыл бұрын
This was fun, but as a challenge I feel like he kinda failed with the kids lol. I consider my 5 year to be pretty bright and that would have flown over his head until he said, like your in Minecraft. Also ultra jelly to see a OCC student get to talk to John
@WorthlessDeadEnd
@WorthlessDeadEnd 5 жыл бұрын
I hear what you're saying, but John was just being himself. He wasn't bullshitting the little boy. He probably doesn't know how to communicate with five year olds, and at John's genius level IQ, speaking tech language on a level the five year old would understand would have been almost impossible.
@Valentyn90A
@Valentyn90A 5 жыл бұрын
@@WorthlessDeadEnd Right. A genius which doesn't know how to communicate with give year olds. That's not what being a genius is. You're overthinking it.
@grab9940
@grab9940 5 жыл бұрын
i think the problem is that kid wasnt 5 lol
@josonic
@josonic 5 жыл бұрын
I thought the opposite. I thought this was the first one of these where it wasn't too dumbed down for the kids. Seemed like the perfect description to me for that level.
@Pandhermonium
@Pandhermonium 7 жыл бұрын
John Carmack is a legend. Doom/Quake were great!
@Mushe94
@Mushe94 6 жыл бұрын
are*
@sundarchip
@sundarchip 5 жыл бұрын
Don't forget Wolfenstein :)
@GroinMischief
@GroinMischief 5 жыл бұрын
Still playing Quake 1 today, modern maps and mods are awesome
@Benjam901
@Benjam901 7 жыл бұрын
That kid has no idea who he is talking to...so jealous right now
@ronindebeatrice
@ronindebeatrice 7 жыл бұрын
Benjam901 The oldest people in this video were toddlers when doom launched. Edit: My mistake, Aaron and I were probably both playing Quake on our Pentiums at the same time.
@marinellovragovic1207
@marinellovragovic1207 6 жыл бұрын
I saw the dozens of comments talking about this guy being famous. I never heard about this guy, nor did I ever see him. I'm 19 just to clarify.
@ojojoj9579
@ojojoj9579 6 жыл бұрын
@@marinellovragovic1207 John Carmack, founder of the true 3d fps genre and pioneer of modern game design is one of the most influencial figures in gaming predating Gabe Newell. If it weren't for John Carmack we would never have had DOOM, if we never had DOOM we wouldn't have had Quake, without quake there would be no half life. If you don't understand the importance of half life to the future of video game development then you should really look into it.
@marinellovragovic1207
@marinellovragovic1207 6 жыл бұрын
@@ojojoj9579 well I've never played Half-Life, though I've heard a few dozens of times how far ahead of its time it was. The importance of this game for the videogame industry is news to me though... Guess I'm too young to know that :P
@miguelpereira9859
@miguelpereira9859 5 жыл бұрын
@@marinellovragovic1207 John Carmack is most likely the most important game developer ever, perhaps second only to Shigeru Myamoto
@robertforster8984
@robertforster8984 4 жыл бұрын
That “VR engineer” is the legendary John Carmack!
@Crushenator500
@Crushenator500 4 жыл бұрын
"VR Engineer" lmfao I added this video to my watch list like 2 months ago. If I realized it was John Carmack I would have watched it instantly. The man is a living legend.
@nathie
@nathie 7 жыл бұрын
Legend
@loganburde2838
@loganburde2838 7 жыл бұрын
indeed
@MichaelMichas
@MichaelMichas 7 жыл бұрын
truth, Nathie, truth
@42tancho
@42tancho 7 жыл бұрын
Do you have some kind of bot responding to everything vr related?
@DJHeroMasta
@DJHeroMasta 7 жыл бұрын
How dare you call Nathie a bot! Shame on you!
@42tancho
@42tancho 7 жыл бұрын
DJHeroMasta well it's KZbin after all. Staying relevant above all things
@OldBrutus
@OldBrutus 7 жыл бұрын
What the hell is going on with the audio in this? There's some kind of background thumping just a deep bass, is this intentional?
@Arcvnum
@Arcvnum 7 жыл бұрын
BrutusIL Its some slow techno beat.
@newsnowlincanparkproducshu5409
@newsnowlincanparkproducshu5409 7 жыл бұрын
Next time put on a legit reference set of headphones instead of Dre Beats, you'll hear the actual intended amount of bass instead of a falsely ramped up Bass EQ.
@Helyx525
@Helyx525 7 жыл бұрын
Its some kind of bass drum beat but its out of phase (left +, right -) which is really uncomfortable in the bass range. Somebody screwed up.
@AGoldSoldier
@AGoldSoldier 7 жыл бұрын
NewsNow! LincanParkProducshuns 3:44 No, it's just a really weird drum beat that keeps changing location (if you're wearing decent headphones. Also, I'm am not personally wearing beats, I have a pair of Sony headphones, so it's not exclusively from Beats' EQs) Don't act so high and mighty, it's a legitimate complaint.
@sawtooth3490
@sawtooth3490 7 жыл бұрын
ikr, sounds like the 5 year old got bored and started running around, couldn't finish the video
@mahic98
@mahic98 6 жыл бұрын
Wtf why did they just say virtual reality engineer and not Video Game Developer God?
@brendanbarnard
@brendanbarnard 5 жыл бұрын
Or "The dude that made Doom". I think most people would get the signifigance of that
@OneofInfinity.
@OneofInfinity. 5 жыл бұрын
@@brendanbarnard Those that grew up in the 80's need no introduction for sure 😄
@ukrainer7723
@ukrainer7723 7 ай бұрын
The feeling that the future they were talking about (especially with the expert) is already here. The haptic costume exists, where, if you wear it, you can feel every touch. The mimic camera is also here, so you actually can express real emotions in games. And, obviously, full-body tracking, with which you can move more naturally.
@multipurposepaperbox
@multipurposepaperbox 5 жыл бұрын
Bruh, I can tell this Grad Student's brain is THICC
@williamb1933
@williamb1933 6 жыл бұрын
Carmack is not just a VR engineer, he's an absolute legend, one of the best engineers of all time!
@420happyhippy
@420happyhippy 7 жыл бұрын
This needs to be a new, weekly show: Experts Explain With 5 Levels!!!
@wouldntyouliketoknow5064
@wouldntyouliketoknow5064 5 жыл бұрын
_Virtual Reality Engineer_ That's not just a "Virtual Reality Engineer" That's John Flippin' Carmack!! :O
@MrFunny-gq8gu
@MrFunny-gq8gu 5 жыл бұрын
He is *THE* John Carmack, and you are just calling a VR engineer? I am offended! lol
@explosiveaddict6939
@explosiveaddict6939 5 жыл бұрын
THE MAN THE MYTH THE JOHN IT'S JOHN CARMACK HIMSELF ALL HAIL TO THEE, GREAT DEITY OF RIP & TEAR
@MrCyberamp
@MrCyberamp 4 жыл бұрын
Ok dude, take a chill pill.
@lethalbroccoli01
@lethalbroccoli01 4 жыл бұрын
Cyberamp your cringe bro.
@KopfTrommel
@KopfTrommel 4 жыл бұрын
The Man The Myth... The Virtual Reality Engineer
@fuzzydunlop1753
@fuzzydunlop1753 4 жыл бұрын
You mean one of the two Johns.
@gta5thglife292
@gta5thglife292 6 жыл бұрын
John Carmack thank you for making Doom and thanks also goes to the people in id
@kingcrimson234
@kingcrimson234 4 жыл бұрын
John Romero was the creative genius behind Doom. John Carmack was the everything-else genius that actually made it possible.
@thepotatoof4219
@thepotatoof4219 4 жыл бұрын
@@kingcrimson234 John Romero was the genius behind Quake. Doom was created by all four of them, but Quake was mostly done by Romero and Adrian.
@Torpedex10
@Torpedex10 7 жыл бұрын
this style of interview is genius
@tgreaux5027
@tgreaux5027 5 жыл бұрын
When this kid grows up hes going to eventually realize he was able to meet and speak to a living god. Long live John Carmack! Build to the bone baby!!!!!!!!
@Mate_Antal_Zoltan
@Mate_Antal_Zoltan 3 жыл бұрын
I don't know if this was your intention, but "Build to the bone" implies that he made the Build engine, which he definitely didn't make
@facuags
@facuags 4 жыл бұрын
"Virtual Reality Engineer" is a pretty weird way to call the god and creator of the simulation we live in.
@kawamikazecheant
@kawamikazecheant 2 жыл бұрын
I'm only at the " Child part ", but I already love how he doesn't talk to him with a patronizing tone, which is not always the case when an adult explains something to a child, knowing stuff is great, but taking time to share a vision with a neophyte is priceless 🔥
@hybby
@hybby 7 жыл бұрын
I like how he said "Buy back into optimization". There's a lot of bloat in many facets of games/dev/mem usage. Back in the day, programmers had to be so diligent about optimizing the heck out of their programs, because the memory limit was so low, as well as low processing speed. He's right. We're going to hit the upper limit soon. Hmm.... perhaps I oughta follow that inner push into programming, and start off with an optimizing mindset :)
@spaceman-pe5je
@spaceman-pe5je 5 жыл бұрын
do it!
@dontlookmeup090
@dontlookmeup090 7 жыл бұрын
No way this kid is 5 year old LOL XD
@fumeinayuza
@fumeinayuza 7 жыл бұрын
A horribly bad cut. The conversations feel so unnatural with all of them seemingly not paying attention to what their interlocutor just said. Feels more like someone simply put together the most interesting monologs out of the whole material.
@anonony9081
@anonony9081 7 жыл бұрын
Giants yeah I think the 12 year old girl said one word
@philv2529
@philv2529 7 жыл бұрын
You get two points from me for the use of the word, "interlocutor."
@AJ-ll1mc
@AJ-ll1mc 6 жыл бұрын
The college student seems very interested 😂
@thrwawyacct
@thrwawyacct 5 жыл бұрын
Computing < Art. I am very amazed at how little modern VR relies on mathematics and physics and optics, and how much is invested in animation and art at every microsecond of experience. Sometimes I convince myself that I am sitting at a machine for weeks while the image updates and the next frame comes in, in some kind of temporal stasis, and wonder at how old and outdated my simple body has become. I am an artifact, and these machines have mothballed me.
@kainuipenaloza9395
@kainuipenaloza9395 5 жыл бұрын
5:25 *HERE'S A GOOD LESSON IN TRICKERY*
@joeleslie5279
@joeleslie5279 7 жыл бұрын
Funny how the older they get, the less they listen....
@yuhboi3968
@yuhboi3968 5 жыл бұрын
The more and longer they talked tho.
@jimsmith3715
@jimsmith3715 4 жыл бұрын
@DarkGrisen and they talk more because they are trying to get more understanding
@redseve
@redseve 7 жыл бұрын
That first kid was like dude I have no idea what youre talking about, I just wanna play minecraft
@colonelccccc
@colonelccccc 5 жыл бұрын
You could have put in the title JOHN CARMACK FFS he's a legend ! John Carmack explains...
@Timeyy
@Timeyy 5 жыл бұрын
John Carmack man is one of the greatest technical minds of our generation
@averyb8848
@averyb8848 5 жыл бұрын
His voice makes me wanna clear my throat
@-loarado
@-loarado 5 жыл бұрын
*_Уes_*
@llawliet2310
@llawliet2310 6 жыл бұрын
I’d love to see this sort of video for abstract subjects like mathematics. Explaining things like teichmüller theory or simplectic geometry or one of the millennium prize problems at different levels would be such a neat thing to do.
@lathedon1902
@lathedon1902 5 жыл бұрын
My heart melted when he said, "Or in Minecraft"
@CDArnoldMusic
@CDArnoldMusic 4 жыл бұрын
10:18 - 10:55 That's some really interesting insight. Seems like a terrific thing to be aware of while in an immerging field. I know this was two years ago and Valve is now also find meaning ways to push this medium, but I'm excited to see how Oculus competes with Valve. I want to say Valve is in the lead in both the engineering aspect and in the aspect of providing consumers with a meaningful experience. I'm not too certain about how the Index HMD is pushing the envelope, but the potential for unique experiences to be had with the Index knuckles seems very high. It seems that Half-Life Alyx and Boneworks will serve as some of the experiences that will bring meaningful experiences that inspire other develops to emulate the same while adding their own spin on things. I'm pumped to see what comes of this. The applications for storytelling in conjunction with other mediums also seems pretty interesting. This video is some great food for thought. Thanks for the solid content! 👌👌
@zakattak80
@zakattak80 4 жыл бұрын
technologically valve is ahead, but Oculus is trying to make it for the average house hold with the quest. This well make it easier to justify more and bigger projects.
@centauridev
@centauridev 4 жыл бұрын
@@zakattak80 I disagree. Oculus is way ahead in some ways while valve is in others. Its true what you say, that oculus is making it come out to the everyday user. And valve is more high end and "next gen" Oculus tried to make it more mainstream with the quest for example. And that in its own is just as technologically advanced as the valve index. Getting games to run 72hz on a last Gen processor is quite the achievement. And the fact that they have made an incredible inside out tracking system, really puts oculus just as far ahead as valve.
@NicolayGiraldo
@NicolayGiraldo 4 жыл бұрын
Carmack can probably fit better with Valve than working for Facebook.
@CDArnoldMusic
@CDArnoldMusic 4 жыл бұрын
@@NicolayGiraldo I totally agree. With Valve working on BCI stuff now, I bet Carmack would be a perfect fit for those goals
@lwwells
@lwwells 5 жыл бұрын
Such and understatement to refer to this man as a “VR engineer”.
@AdamAlbilya1
@AdamAlbilya1 5 жыл бұрын
3:00 With regard to figuring out what is the player looking at, can't we just project some non-visible wavelength onto the eye and then calculate the angle of which the light has been reflected back by the eyes lenses?
@EliteRocketBear
@EliteRocketBear 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, it's been a thing for several years now. It's called foveated rendering. The focus of your eyes is called the fovea. One thing holding it back is that most eye tracking solutions (afaik, it's been a while since I worked with VR/AR tech now) rely on infrared light, and that negatively impacts eye strain a lot. Which isn't great when tackling topics like entertainment, immersion, assisted coaching, etc. You still have the problem of latency between eye movement and rendered image (latency is increased compared to traditional rendering because of the eye tracking step). That's why currently most people go for fixed foveated rendering (pre defined fovea) over dynamic foveated rendering. For dynamic, you also need the pixel density to support a dynamic fovea on the entire display. So in the end, it's only really a gain on GPU (still good as we're rendering two views instead of one). Downside with fixed fovea is that it feels unnatural, but users tend to get used to it after a few minutes. You are then still bottlenecked by CPU which handles the scene prepping, and applying dynamic foveated logic there will actually cost you computational power.
@AdamAlbilya1
@AdamAlbilya1 5 жыл бұрын
@@EliteRocketBear Thank you for enriching my knowledge!
@darrenmartel815
@darrenmartel815 5 жыл бұрын
Eyes are not completely spherical, so there would be some problems when doing such a thing.
@AdamAlbilya1
@AdamAlbilya1 5 жыл бұрын
@@darrenmartel815 I think it doesn't matter.
@AdamAlbilya1
@AdamAlbilya1 5 жыл бұрын
@@darrenmartel815 I mean, ,obviously it matters for the angels, but it is learnable. Either in-play or by calibration before game.
@crystal314
@crystal314 7 жыл бұрын
Is it just me or is the explanation for the kid is too hard to understand? If I were a 5-year-old kid, I wouldn’t understand him.
@two-face1041
@two-face1041 7 жыл бұрын
Crystal Susiana she’s grown up in the digital age...my 4 year old cousin knows more then I do about computers
@notsolegalciv2761
@notsolegalciv2761 7 жыл бұрын
he isn't 5 tho😂
@leyre9989
@leyre9989 7 жыл бұрын
The one for the twelve year old too, not sure if a kid that age nows what rendering means for example
@notsolegalciv2761
@notsolegalciv2761 7 жыл бұрын
Leyre Ruiz wtf im 13 and ik what that means ofc might be cuz im a tech geek but idk
@flyingpenandpaper6119
@flyingpenandpaper6119 7 жыл бұрын
True, but really what can you explain to a 5 year old? All you can really say is that you look into a screen and it takes you places.
@mikeyyyv3640
@mikeyyyv3640 5 жыл бұрын
Basically: Level one: Infant Level two: larger infant Level three: adult Level four: Larger adult
@StubenhockerElite
@StubenhockerElite 5 жыл бұрын
"Hello I am John Carmack, and yes i did more than Quake and DOOM"
@wal_rider8479
@wal_rider8479 5 жыл бұрын
As 15yo, I felt very proud for understanding all the terms and logic behind what he was talking on all levels.
@adamfazai
@adamfazai Жыл бұрын
John Carmack: some VR Engineer Bill Gates: Some programmer at some company
@saiabhishek5228
@saiabhishek5228 6 жыл бұрын
I wish I had a chance to talk to a legend like John Carmack. I’ll literally only talk about Doom to him
@hookedonphones1681
@hookedonphones1681 5 жыл бұрын
Stax that’s the thing though. That’s all that people want to talk to him about and that’s what he spends all day working on. If you ever meet someone who’s famous for what they do, which you may have already, you would notice how present they are when discussing topics outside of their profession. At a meet and greet where you get just a few words in, thanking them is enough. Actually having an actual conversation with them about it... it’s their thousandth time and it’s not any joy to them.
@qwertyuiopqwertyuiop-bb4mi
@qwertyuiopqwertyuiop-bb4mi 4 жыл бұрын
Connor Smith That’s not necessarily true. People like to talk about their passions, especially when they are as knowledgeable about them as John Carmack is, so as long as you have the knowledge yourself and you are having an interesting conversation I would bet Carmack would enjoy it.
@Shadenium1
@Shadenium1 4 жыл бұрын
Doom launched in 1993, people have been asking him about Doom for 27 years. I bet he would passionately talk about other his passions.
@Mate_Antal_Zoltan
@Mate_Antal_Zoltan 3 жыл бұрын
I would probably just ask him to do the smile, you know the one
@igorthelight
@igorthelight 5 жыл бұрын
It's not some random "Virtual Reality Engineer"! It's a freaking John Carmack - creator of "id Software", "Doom" and "Quake"!
@dreams7091
@dreams7091 5 жыл бұрын
The kids had no idea they were talking to a living legend.
@piragnipiragni
@piragnipiragni 2 жыл бұрын
I love how he starts a conversation with a child that everyone can understand and then evolves to a point where with a grad student and the next person you can see they just want to look smart and it ends with a conversation with an expert again at a level of s child because they don't feel the need to prove something.
@wesleypatterson2989
@wesleypatterson2989 2 жыл бұрын
I admire John so much. He created one of the, if not the most famous video game of all time, I'm sure with all the money it's made he could've coasted for the rest of his life. But no, the man's a true scientist. He's still out in the trenches, building rockets and VR tech and all kinds of things. These are the kinds of people we need to be holding up as an example
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