WISE VALENTINA JUNGLE IN GRAND FINALS??|BLACKLIST VS ECHO GRAND FINAL Game 1 Analysis & Reaction

[@peterjohncharlesversoza5659]

"For Blacklist, the Lord and Turtle are not objectives-- it is a trap. " - Wolf, 2022

[@MirkoCasts]

This sums it up! 💯

[@stunkbeagle8470]

Blacklist passive: Cannot be beaten by the same team twice in a tournament

[@Tiwiwiwwww]

Lol!! It's True.

[@dcgaraygay5289]

💯💯💯

[@lowkiigelo]

yeah that’s why they should only be beaten during the finals lmao

[@benjieShorts]

Season 9?

[@Alvinnskie]

@@benjieShorts no veewise

[@anonymousname9662]

Valentina Jungler is just dirty. I mean, top meta tank junglers’ advantage comes from their ultimates helping in objective contests (ie Akai’s zoning Heavy Spin and Balmond’s Lethal Counter secure). Having Valentina as the jungler grants immediate access to these utility skills plus the draft pressure of a Valentina being flexed to either mid or jungle roles is just outright dirty smart by BLCK.

[@markrivera4021]

the main reason they didnt get the last turtle so that the LORD will immediately spawn instead of waiting another 2mins. they need lord to end the game and they wanted as fast as possible because of there composition. imagine battling late game against Pharsa, esme and melissa.

[@josealfonsoprecia9610]

Also, they need Valentina to maintain a higher level than the enemy to use her passive. If all heroes are at level 15 (late game), Valentina can no longer use her passive and blk can no longer be aggressive.

[@tripnifrance4727]

I don't think pharsa.melisa and Esme works at late game. If u up against cloud and Valentina. .Valentina cn copy all 5 plus the double poke of lolita and eve. Uranus and Claude can easily gain damage plus the burst damage of a Valentina/Pharsa for sure it's still deadly

[@crazylittlebigthings]

Valentina jungler isn’t easy to pull off as it looks. Blacklist really are something else.

[@MirkoCasts]

Absolutely

[@purple9431]

Wise is really a trend setter jungler, after he use frendrin,valdntina and guinivere in mpl, i always encounter a jungler using that heroes 🤣 then they always say it was in inspired by wise since i am using blacklist estes skin.A king of jungle indeed

[@MikaAyala]

This is why I love watching you Mirko. Pro teams do not normally discuss their strategies (for obvious reasons) and for casual gamers like me, analysis like these are much much appreciated. We sometimes tend to think that the pro players have it easy because they have teams analyzing for them, but to execute such amazing gameplan with precision is just amazing to watch. Sometimes we see a play (like zoning and controlling maps etc) and find it amazing but we dont know why, thanks for explaining it very well. Thank you again for doing analyses like this, hopefully more from Indo teams! 🥰

[@ccbelle8395]

Wise may not be the best when it comes to jungler mechanics but when it comes to being wise and creative no one comes close to him and thats what make him the best jungler for me, He pioneers utility jungling that was followed by other junglers now, This is the reason why he is the king of jungle. I still remember the time when veenus disapproves on wise experimentation on jungle emblem,valentina and fredrin jungle.But now it becomes their championship hero and the jungle emblem becomes popular after sdyzyz use it that was inspired by wise base on their convo when sdyzyz asking for permision to use this jungle emblem on wise livestream.

[@gheahollera8333]

It's demonkite not sdyzyz 😁

[@alimallory6771]

@@gheahollera8333 lol sdyzy fans at it again they think sdyzy popularized it when Demonkite said he used jungler emblem cause of Wise even MP the King mentioned he was copying Wise build for jungler. But since Wise was not at season 9. Sdzyz fans are grabbing the credits to Jungle emblem even though Wise has been using it since M3 and 2 junglers mentioned they copied the emblem from Wise during Season 9. However, there’s a sdyzy fans out there still trying to grab credits for jungler emblem even though those who are using it in Season 9 said they copied it from Wise. Why keeps on grabbing credits? Even Sdyzy fans knew their fave even asked permission to Wise so he could use it in Season 9. Why insist Sdyzy popularized it when the otehr junglers who used it gave credits to Wise as well.

[@homeracua3016]

Excited for Mirko to cast M4. I hope everyone gets to move on from your prediction. Still I admire your courage in that prediction. Dont mind the bashers. So many agents love you casting blacklist. Your analysis are always on point and you make things simple for us to understand.

[@jaybarrios9451]

Comebackable Endable Sheeshable Love the analysis

[@riyukusuda6182]

The amount of people who uses Valentina and Guinevere jungle now because of Wise 😂

[@davidmontajes327]

Banning pharsa is a must if you are up against hadji. He has unli ULT. Most pharsa user: I see team fights, I ult Hadji's Pharsa: I breathe, I ult

[@tutortle1820]

Because he's using the ult to zone out enemies, and check bushes too

[@abegailcustodio3850]

Omg!! Been waiting for it! I'll tell my friends that you already have the analysis! Thank you

[@johneisleytiu5110]

Bren vs BL was the most fun to watch

[@tutortle1820]

True, a nail bitting series. Feels like Grandfinals already

[@setsukoqq8585]

Blvck already memorized the timing of the minion. From spawn to the travel time on the lane. That's why they are good at controlling waves.

[@michaeladriano443]

I don't know if you know about this mirco but Veenus calls the tank that he use as Barbie Tanks😂 because he said it is those tanks that is not catching damages but it is only there so the enemy feels your presence

[@inHimCrucified]

black is already aware of yaw'si positioning, thats why wise from what it seems to be just baiting kadita ult so he can just cancel it with heavy spin (i am u)

[@michaeladriano443]

Just to share: Base on my personal analysis Claude first pick has been the podium of the finals and I see it this way 'when a team has Claude, the backline starts to stumble in the enemy side. Claude users in a team will have easier access to the backline and also the user can also go back easily and it cannot be touch in the BMI because most of his team members will be present to protect the front line. Confusing the when I explain it but, yah it just worked to melt enemy

[@iishamouri]

Thank you for the detailed analysis Mirko. Worth every min!

[@icekenshin3531]

actually Pharsa is a denied pick for Hadji. They wont really give it to Hadji if they are not confident that they can counter it. It's proven how many times in the hands of Hadji. So either they have to prio pick it or ban it. P.S and as wolf always says, Lord is not a big object for Blacklist, it's a traaaaaaaap !! They are the best Lord Dancers 😅

[@kcboyyy]

True. Hadji’s pharsa is almost unstoppable everytime 💯

[@Sansananana143]

Hadji's mastery of Pharsa is of a different level, ngl. He has been using it even during the mid-mage jungle meta way back few seasons ago.

[@markrivera4021]

this is actually true, facts since the revamp of phrsa getting back to meta blacklist is unbeatable.

[@tigger7744]

I think he got maniac with this pharsa?

[@kiela2391]

Wise all through out the season uses tanky heroes for the front line and set up play.The only time he got mvp is when he get to used damage dealer heroes. Wise was always efficient on his role so how come he still not get the mvp title when its really visible on what impact he are doing on his team.Imagine he can really use this kind of hero but still go for the team composition for their team glory, a selfless jungler inedeed.Tbh the reason why it is easy for them to beat echo is because of wise hero picks, the usual strat they are doing was countered by echo on 2 games.Echo didnt know how to counter valentina and guinivere jungle. Really kudos to wise for continuing to experiment heroes for jungle even if venus didnt approve. A meta maker,best jungler and king of jungle.

[@tigger7744]

and he was confident with it.

[@kamotetops1572]

7:03 Example of being the MACRO GOD!

[@jamestanti5555]

Nice experiment, very Wise..

[@lol-pt5jh]

Well I still can see the vid even tho the quality is low.. but your voice can hear clearly and thats fine for me.. and love the analysis!🤩 Thank you Mirko!!!

[@ineedmorecarrots6063]

guinevere is also a smart move for them, wise forces the enemy team to use purify spell that limits the enemy team ganking and escaping capabilities unlike flicker and sprint which is a utility spell that can be both used offensively and defensively

[@dazaiosamu8137]

What I like about Valentina using Akai ult is the moment he pops that ultimate, its an instant purify because akai ult removes CC. In a way he has purify while having retri. That’s why Kadita (yawi) can’t set properly.

[@lovelycomplex07]

Such a great analysis. Excited to see you cast MPLI and M4.

[@tempestsky1327]

Lez go this Valentina jungle was crazy 🔥🔥🔥

[@jezelrosedelgado722]

Been waiting for your video reaction on this one Mirko! ✨🖤🖤

[@acousticmeatus8141]

Can everyone like seriously appreciate Mirkos analysis on games, this is what I love watching

[@sherly4289]

I think that is the reason why Blacklist is a world champion because their style is more different than all these teams

[@calvinoidism]

Finally! Been waiting for your analysis.

[@secret8730]

Disappointed how you missed to mention/analyze that high risk high reward jump of yawi and sanford to the monkey of claude 26:43

[@Tasty_sand]

_You May Have Outsmarted Me, But I Outsmarted Your Outsmarting_

[@anonymousname9662]

Agree! It was an obvious one-time watch by Mirko though but yeah, that was an insane play. Had ECHO synchronized better by poking Oheb to force him to back out, then Yawi can finish off the play with his petrify ultimate combo.

[@MirkoCasts]

Yea thanks for pointing it out 😅 completely missed that! Would’ve been insane if they were able to force Oheb back to that BMI

[@Jimn-wu]

don't blame Mirko i miss that too when watching the game live. i tought Yawi and Sanford is just buying time. i did not notice that Oheb's BMI. i'm pretty sure you just noticed it because of the clippers.

[@armi_c]

Exp laners & roamers are usually the frontliners but if you don’t have enough damage dealers to cover you at the back sometimes it’s not worth it. The thing about blacklist is they very well know there positioning and who they need to protect. Their synergy as a team is crazy.

[@genecarlo3972]

There's our boii Mirko!

[@Jayjay-bv1fn]

Watch their upper bracket match, mirko, and you'll know why they picked that away from hadji.

[@ellerad2440]

I'm waiting for this 😍

[@furrtzy9312]

they second pick valentina coz if echo didnt chose akai they would probably not pick the valentina jungler... they pick the valentina until there would be a good ulti to copy... and if echo picks valentina they have a counter for it anyways

[@MirkoCasts]

Valentina dictates the draft, the reason they went with Claude has to be because they wanted to look for a trade. They know they can flex Valentina so they’re fine with taking it and if Echo let go of Pharsa then it’ll be Pharsa pick for Hadji

[@furrtzy9312]

@@MirkoCasts and yeah also becoz of that,, and also waiting for the next sarcast my friend looking forward to that ^_^

[@haroldberbanajr.5883]

I’ve been waiting for this. For real man, I’m learning a lot from you.

[@keithlazol6707]

claude first pick make or break a teamfight. very much similar to alice. also pharsa pick denies alot of jungle space for the enemy

[@joshuaibana918]

Thank God. I've been waiting gor these videos. 🤣❤😍

[@ran_436]

mirko analysis is my copium for mirko casting mpl ph

[@iamnoob8835]

After Valentinas nerf on her passive I think we wont see Valentina Jungle that much

[@Con-zt4vm]

26:40 You missed to mention Echo's mistake on wasting cc on Claude's Dexter outside the base when the whole team was defending the base against 5 BLK players + a Lord. I think they were unintentionally baited by Oheb there 😂

[@jarenlopez4710]

Hi Mirko! The draft in the finals was caused by their game in the upper bracket finals. Claude and Pharsa had such a great impact on the blacklist win on their first meet up in the playoffs.

[@jarenlopez4710]

And also the match between rsg and echo. As they say every grand finals has its own meta.

[@somerandomotaku8444]

Present🙌🙌🙌🙌

[@caparaschristian7813]

my idol caster im from phil. 😊

[@lanceandresaliwo2963]

I'm hoping someone can answer this question. When a position 4 or mage buys Necklace of Durance to negate the healing effects of enemies, can it be stacked if a position 5 or a tank buys Dominance Ice as well? Please respect and hope to get an accurate and legit answer. Thanks!

[@dthirdy5298]

no. same passives don't stack

[@MirkoCasts]

The anti-regen effect cannot be stacked! But it can be continuously applied 😊

[@lanceandresaliwo2963]

@@MirkoCasts WAAAAAAAHHH!!😍😍😍 Idol Mirko just replied guys!😍 I'm one of your fans here in the Philippines!😊 Btw, thank you so much for the information and new learning.

[@merxellus1456]

Hello Mirko would love to see u do an Analysis on NACT M4qualifiers finals as well plis.. Team Valley vs The Simpsons.. after they played ofcourse

[@ecilatnecniv]

he also used fredrin jungle before that..

[@neilugaddan]

You know why they pick Pharsa? Because it is a deny pick for BLCK. BLCK used Pharsa for 3 straight games last time.

[@MirkoCasts]

True! But leaving Valentina open is very scary against Blacklist cause firstly because of Valentina being broken, secondly because Blacklist can flex this pick

[@tigger7744]

I think he hadji got maniac with pharsa on game 5?

[@lalnunpuiachenkual4240]

Bro this is the complete meaning of tanking😄

[@sixdigit5465]

At this point, if Wise uses Chang'e as a jungler i wont be surprise anymore 🤣

[@roioribiana8811]

Can you make MPLI prediction

[@huearemyworld3297]

Im late but il be watching this til your final uploads tonight 😆

[@Jimn-wu]

Mirko you have audio but the video you're watching has no sound.

[@karai_sen]

No sound

[@jace7312]

I disagree with Mirko. Wise is definitely the MVP in this game. He became the setter and damage dealer at the same time. Casters always ignores Wise capability.

[@idonttankvro1514]

🌚 as always both of indo and ph prediction were right

[@zenzenmadara1454]

no sound?

[@KaeLYui03]

The drafts of Blacklist in the recent playoffs revolves around Oheb. There is a very few Marksman hero that he can use effectively. If you can watch all the games of Blacklist, Oheb seems to be having a hard time in the early laning phase of the game. That's a big problem for any team, if your marksman is having a hard time in the early game. Oheb also mentions that he is really struggling in the gold lane right now, it's either he became weaker or the other gold laners of other team just got strong. Even in their live, Oheb is having a second thought picking marksman to the point that he is trying out new heroes like Harith and Chou in gold lane. Oheb is their weakest link as of the moment. He can be strong sometimes specially if he had a good laning phase, but most of the time he's really struggling. One more thing, the composition of Blacklist is really really good. Notice how they are all flexible except the mage and marksman. They are switching roles without having to switch lanes. When wise use tanky heroes or build, you'll notice that Edward will be the "carry" of the team and venus will be the support, then Oheb and Hadji stays to their roles. This is very very smart that I think other teams don't notice. Wise has been playing the tank role all along while Edward is the carry. Venus adjusts for the composition and again Oheb/Hadji stays to their role.

[@phewphew1060]

What is mpl invitational? Is it a tournament ? Watched the video but I'm confused what the match was about i just saw coaches picking some teams 🤔

[@irishblasco9294]

Its MPL that includes other regions. The coaches who chose the teams in their brackets are the coaches from the winning team in their own region like Blacklist from PH, Onic from ID, RSG from Singapore and Team Haq from Malaysia. Those 4 teams are already in the quarterfinals of MPLI. They will just wait for the winner from the teams they chose.

[@phewphew1060]

@@irishblasco9294 ok so we will actually see them the players in action once again 😜 that is good interesting concept. Thanks for the info. So when will the tournament startg? Are they streaming live on KZbin?

[@MirkoCasts]

@@phewphew1060 2nd-6th November on MLBB channel :D

[@voteyeseo9934]

Audio?

[@sparcomusic887]

@Mirko First pick claude is to counter the faramis pick. So they will not pick the faramis instead they will ban it.

[@GETBURN-i4d]

nice review

[@enrocicroci]

Mirko cutie

[@alamadamorsideeng.8187]

Wow 5 vid in 1 night😲

[@neroblas]

no sound idol Mirko

[@KenN0tGood]

Restart the video, it's a youtube bug not mirko bug

[@rhueaquino2381]

Unpopular Opinion: Mirko’s Cuteness

[@dankazama09]

Eco tried to counter hadji and wise. That's why they pick akai and pharsa.

[@MirkoCasts]

True! They tried to take the comfort heroes from BLCK, but I still think it might’ve been abit too expensive.

[@petpettylife7094]

Bren vs BL was the best though

[@jcarlovil]

eyy mirko postedd

[@markglennyt9230]

U know the only way to beat BLCK is veewise not playing thats it...😅😅😅😅...

[@tantan0130]

Pls check yawi gameplay also credit to Yawi's chou/kadita/ specially valir that makes blacklist adjust to his roamer

[@ghesao2394]

Seeessssssssshhhhhh!!!!!

[@philiplimoffwhite3261]

Plsss echo vs RSG

[@okkinsama2930]

Its because they dont want hadji have his hands on pharsa..thats why they pick pharsa before hadji does..their draft depends on the enemy and in that moment its blacklist..and for claud..oheb has a low hero pool in and thats why they prio the claud because its the only available marksman oheb can do best right now..

[@sklt00n]

No sound???

[@GETBURN-i4d]

karl may have the best play skill, but blacklist have the greatest minds, so its strategy over skill just like blacklist vs other team

[@keithlazol6707]

you should also look at game 3 of every series echo had against rsg ph in the playoffs. rsg ph just doing miracle plays despite the gold gap

[@fernieguillergan3658]

mirko why there is no audio?

[@MirkoCasts]

U watched a bit too early, KZbin was still doing the checks :p

[@melchezediktv]

kinuha nya ang audio ng video para ma explain nya ng maayos ang laro cguro..

[@MirkoCasts]

U clicked too early, if the video just got uploaded KZbin takes some time to process it

[@dthirdy5298]

the pharsa first pick is a deny pick, watch the other game first

[@MirkoCasts]

Ik it’s a deny pick, but Valentina is super expensive to let go(especially against blacklist cause they can flex it to jungle)

[@homeracua3016]

@@MirkoCasts agree with you

[@1988-c1z]

💙💙💙 _🖤

[@ranranduc5420]

Like I say BL will dominate

[@raymondbacolot5977]

Bren vs Blacklist next analysis

[@phatzzy7803]

I think BL valentina jungler beat ONIC ID In a scrim game! Kairi said they cant tell the result! But wise said they use valentina jungler in a scrim and it was succesfull😂

[@reez5035]

I don't think it's valentina? Kairi said he didn't know about the Valentina jungle but Guin & Fredrin were the heroes that Wise used during their scrim.

[@alimallory6771]

They didn’t use Vlentina in Onic ID scrim. Kairi said Wise used Guin and Fredrinn.

[@sinodayt341]

Theres a statement from Karltzy that wise know only marksman jungle....back season7

[@alimallory6771]

Back when Karltzy think his assassin will forever be a meta only for Wise to proves he can win with just a mm and tank jungler meta. Look at Karltzy now copying Wise’s meta and even said in an interview that he is now a utility jungler. Lol! Nakakatawa na yung minanaliit niya nung Season 7, naka 3 mpl championship, 1 m world, 1 sea game at runner up sa MPLI at MSC. At ngayon wala sila chiloice kundi gayahin yung trends na sinet ni Wise.

[@ley3761]

@@alimallory6771 totoo to boss haha last time may nakita ako video clip nagrarank ata sya Valentina gamit😂. Asan na kaya ung mga nagsasabi na "mm lang alam" ni wise kung ung idolo nila ayun ginagaya na yung minamaliit nila noon....

[@atthetop2712]

@@ley3761 ano pa yung kay Vee na rafa estes lang alam hahhaha

[@AshikurRahmanRifat]

Karltzy adapter to wise meta he himself acknowledged wise even more than kairi

[@ajabacan1886]

her name is valencia

[@kaisen_amv7305]

Mirko the quality is low smh

[@ShiroOrochi]

Its low if you're early

[@edmonmangogtong2258]

Is this real Mirko?

[@MirkoCasts]

Yes haha

[@dcgaraygay5289]

No hahah

[@slime-hk4xt]

No sounds

[@sklt00n]

Notification gang

[@eliakimbalolot241]

Valentina jungle not crazy?

[@MirkoCasts]

At this point it’s not crazy for wise HAHA cause he plays everything

[@capt.unohana]

Mirko's prediction went from 🤡 to 💩 😹😹😹

[@juliusmorganumacob6518]

U keep saying BL is special, amazing, dominating and clean etc yet u dropped them early in the playoffs? Bro, make senz 🤣

[@algozi8791]

Gau ngak kaget sih. Padahal di mpl id sudah di gunakan valentina jungler oleh aura di mpls9

[@abhishekmohanty3350]

Bro u look like Jimin ngl.

[@pidoart]

Nope. Claude is first pick to bait kadita play from echo

[@MirkoCasts]

First pick to bait the last pick Kadita? Idk I personally don’t think so

[@pidoart]

@@MirkoCasts it was the pick against RSGph It worked well against emann who picked Claude Last game of the lower bracket finals

[@pidoart]

I expected the kadita pick for for echo first game as it was effective from the last game against RSG Didn't expect Valentina as jungle thou. Counter kadita by 4 purify + Purify of Valentina from using Akai ult

[@pidoart]

I was so happy Idol Mirko replied. Not only to me but to everyone

[@franciscruz4263]

no audio :/

[@MirkoCasts]

Clicked too early :0 KZbin was processing