LEGION: Is It Deep or Dumb? - Wisecrack Edition

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Wisecrack

Wisecrack

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@joelsmith5613
@joelsmith5613 4 жыл бұрын
My takeaway was that it was an exploration of mental disfunction. Schizophrenia, codependancy, depression, dissociation, obsessive compulsion, with each character representing a mental illness or insanity. Season 3 is then about healing
@salimalbitar
@salimalbitar 2 жыл бұрын
That's beautiful ❤️
@MyNameJeff00
@MyNameJeff00 2 жыл бұрын
You can make things happen when you're insane. But also when you're sane
@graciquintilhano
@graciquintilhano Жыл бұрын
Yes!
@patrickkilduff5272
@patrickkilduff5272 Жыл бұрын
I disagree. I feel like the 'mental illness' was just a cover for the real message of the show. Which is, if you have God-like power, you would inevitably become evil.
@banmatchingcolors
@banmatchingcolors 4 жыл бұрын
Absurd. This show brought me to somewhere else completely. Beautiful, cinematic, absolutely amazing storyline, characters, character outfits, set design, directing. I’m so sad for those who didn’t appreciate its uniqueness. Every “show” should be as unique and beautifully handcrafted, emotionally stirring and illuminating as this one ever was
@loganscott814
@loganscott814 3 жыл бұрын
You're right and this guy knows it. He made this video to try and sound smart. This is a great show, don't some hack turn you away from it.
@morthul5514
@morthul5514 2 жыл бұрын
Bro it's a narrative mess you like it because it's confusing and they spoon feed you answers later making you feel smart. The show tried to play with morality and psychology but they fail to have any nuance. I've made better story lines with improv man. The themes are a mess. Is it cinematically compelling? Sure, it had nice moments but as it dragged on it just becomes a scramble of conflicting themes and concepts.
@sneezysteven
@sneezysteven 2 жыл бұрын
I think Logan and Morthul are both right. The show can be really smart at times, but also is a bit of a mess narratively other times.
@dhawalparmar245
@dhawalparmar245 2 жыл бұрын
I completely agree , legion is basically the art and I loved it
@basedautismgang
@basedautismgang 2 жыл бұрын
Lol “unique” doesn’t mean good, yes the show is unique, but it’s also a convoluted mess with horrible writing, if you think a show where two characters go from “hi” to “I love you” in the blink of an eye is somehow “good” I don’t even know what to say
@megamob5834
@megamob5834 4 жыл бұрын
Legion, like many of my favorite things seemed to be a fully self aware blend of deep AND dumb. Also, the music in this show was fantastic
@kyledamons4242
@kyledamons4242 4 жыл бұрын
King Mob Exactly.I've been hoping & requesting for a Wisecrack video on the show since S1😂
@megamob5834
@megamob5834 4 жыл бұрын
Chance I have, it’s great. Anything Grant Morrison inspired is a must for me. Can’t wait for the invisibles!!
@amadeusmalonje8263
@amadeusmalonje8263 4 жыл бұрын
@Chance Doom patrol is freaking awesome, we need more of that weird storytelling
@Werewolf914
@Werewolf914 4 жыл бұрын
Not to mention Legion as Jemaine from Flight of the Conchords do some musical bits, like his rap battle. which is just the best, also Doom Patrol was also an amazing show, how many other shows have a guy flex his muscles to accidentally telepathically give a gay sentient street an orgasm (and other people but the other people aren't as funny as a street) DP and Legion are just fun entertaining shows.
@amadeusmalonje8263
@amadeusmalonje8263 4 жыл бұрын
@@Werewolf914 they're so underrated, people aren't into that weird television XD.
@paulakroy2635
@paulakroy2635 4 жыл бұрын
Finally some talks about legion
@gdfgdfgdsgdf
@gdfgdfgdsgdf 4 жыл бұрын
waited for it since season 1
@AngusStewart01
@AngusStewart01 4 жыл бұрын
Underrated show I’ve only seen screenprism talk about it
@paulakroy2635
@paulakroy2635 4 жыл бұрын
TechNOGeek Reviews it’s like look up daredevil and you’ll find tons of breakdowns on how it truly is the best superhero show. But legion you find 1 video. Almost like no gives the show the chance
@brainglow_lightbright
@brainglow_lightbright 3 жыл бұрын
For real. Great show
@MichaelWaisJr
@MichaelWaisJr 3 жыл бұрын
@@brainglow_lightbright The only episode I could do without was that dumb one with Oliver and Melanie on the astral plane. It seemed too preachy and cheesy. I thought they were running out of ideas for that episode and it was filler. On the other hand, the rap battle was so-so and also the electronic cover of “Cinnamon Girl” at the end was really dope!!! I love Type O Negative!! (And yes, I have known for a very long time about the Neil Young original which is just as awesome a song!!)
@advslOne
@advslOne 4 жыл бұрын
"A delusion start as an egg...."
@andreabello7519
@andreabello7519 4 жыл бұрын
Like any other ideas
@Bobfish03
@Bobfish03 Жыл бұрын
“It must first crush any other, more rational ideas…”
@jacksithlord1301
@jacksithlord1301 4 жыл бұрын
Madness is the shows whole thing it’s a battle of mind, personality, identity and a shit ton of madness
@ja3deah
@ja3deah 4 жыл бұрын
You know that's right.
@jacksithlord1301
@jacksithlord1301 3 жыл бұрын
@@ja3deah I could be wrong about it but what do I know
@TheRockerX
@TheRockerX 4 жыл бұрын
"What does it mean?" "Nobody knows what it means...It's an experience." Deep or dumb...Legion gave me some of the best hours of television I've ever experienced, and for that, I'm grateful.
@yt_Ajay_
@yt_Ajay_ 4 жыл бұрын
Nobody knows what it means, but it's provocative. It gets the people going!
@ScaryMason
@ScaryMason 4 жыл бұрын
So many comic book adaptations downplay what a head-trip reading comic books has been.
@dyllanmiller4267
@dyllanmiller4267 4 жыл бұрын
I don't think they meant it to be logical. It was definitely meant to be an experience, much like a trip.
@alanfoxman5291
@alanfoxman5291 4 жыл бұрын
It very much was an experience. A ride I was glad I went on. While I love the Marvel movies, the comic medium has so many different styles and...yes...experiences...that it's nice to see movies and TV shows embrace the flexibility of the medium they evolved from. Legion. The Boys. Watchmen. Doom Patrol. Umbrella Academy. These shows are amazing and awesome and fun...And also make the more standard fare more enjoyable as well
@elchahuistle135
@elchahuistle135 4 жыл бұрын
"I don't understand" "Nobody does they're just faking" Brooklyn 99 Pure truth.
@IloveGorgeousGeorge
@IloveGorgeousGeorge 4 жыл бұрын
Legion changed the way I look at television forever. The creativity on display in this show is insane. The progression through the battle with the Time Demons through still-frame pictures, the multiple dance battles, the rap battle, the representation of time travel through the Hall of Time, the animated psychic battle in season 2, there's just so much unique stuff to appreciate and enjoy. I'm interested to see what Wisecrack has to say about it but I've already decided it's both Deep and Dumb and I fucking love it. God bless Noah Hawley.
@amadeusmalonje8263
@amadeusmalonje8263 4 жыл бұрын
You should watch Doom Patrol if you're into that weird television
@alexsilva28
@alexsilva28 4 жыл бұрын
Amen
@amadeusmalonje8263
@amadeusmalonje8263 4 жыл бұрын
@Nathan Trujillo had a lot of fun watching it
@Ben-rz9cf
@Ben-rz9cf 4 жыл бұрын
Not only that but the lighting and color theory in this show is on such another level that no other show comes even close. Every single scene uses color and light to represent the characters psychology. Makes the red doorknob in the sixth sense look like childs play
@MichaelWaisJr
@MichaelWaisJr 3 жыл бұрын
@@amadeusmalonje8263 I like weird shit!
@excellentlol
@excellentlol 4 жыл бұрын
Increased amount of musical scenes in the last season indicates that the show doesn't claim to be that deep, it's just playing with interesting ideas and being hella entertaining
@paulakroy2635
@paulakroy2635 4 жыл бұрын
I mean it’s way deeper than wisecrack made it out to be
@MichaelWaisJr
@MichaelWaisJr 3 жыл бұрын
I will always remember fondly the Elvis Costello and Pink Floyd musical numbers in Season 3! 😁
@VeniVidiVici..
@VeniVidiVici.. 3 жыл бұрын
The club dance in season 2 had a meaning to it it was a telepathic battle in the form of dance
@tobieshinobi9753
@tobieshinobi9753 2 жыл бұрын
You know not what you speak of child.
@colinmiller6649
@colinmiller6649 Жыл бұрын
Music is very deep to me as someone who plays music and is in a music fraternity
@samfletcher9093
@samfletcher9093 4 жыл бұрын
I loved this show. Season 3 was incredible. It will definitely be a cult classic.
@greenman8
@greenman8 3 жыл бұрын
Finally a Cult Classic Group for me! Couldn't like most other "Cult" groups, For example, I just don't like, 'A Clockwork Orange" or "Rocky Horror Picture Show".
@MichaelWaisJr
@MichaelWaisJr 3 жыл бұрын
@@greenman8 Heresy!! “A Clockwork Orange” and “RHPS” FTW!! 😆🤘
@charliechuckleberry5307
@charliechuckleberry5307 3 жыл бұрын
Three seasons, four years and nobody cares.
@MichaelWaisJr
@MichaelWaisJr 3 жыл бұрын
@@charliechuckleberry5307 I care! 😭
@jacksithlord1301
@jacksithlord1301 3 жыл бұрын
@@MichaelWaisJr same
@jpicard81
@jpicard81 4 жыл бұрын
Thanos was lucky david wasn't there
@fartzinwind
@fartzinwind 4 жыл бұрын
They haven't introduced any full strength reality benders to mcu. I hope they do going forward. Something that would go so far to bring down the eyes of the real marvel gods, not the Thor like "gods".
@fartzinwind
@fartzinwind 4 жыл бұрын
@safnhuo that's skipping a few stops. Could go with incorporating mutants finally, and lead up to Franklin Richards. Maybe boost strange and Scarlett witch.
@abooriemang
@abooriemang 4 жыл бұрын
@safnhuo He has actually made quite a few appearances, and I believe the one you are referring to actually featured Peter Parker (or some other Spider-man, I can't quite recall), not Jean Grey. There's a list of his appearences: marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Category:One-Above-All_(Multiverse)/Appearances
@andrescardenasloza6999
@andrescardenasloza6999 3 жыл бұрын
@@fartzinwind They did boy
@UnreasonableOpinions
@UnreasonableOpinions 3 жыл бұрын
Even when Legion has problems and narratively can be a bit of a mess, I love it for having the absolute audacity to do everything it can think of as hard as it possibly can. It actually commits to the all-out weirdness that shows like Umbrella Academy merely puppet, and if that means occasionally alienating the audience then so be it. Having the courage of convictions to make the very first episode one of the stranger and less structured specifically to warn the audience that it’s going to be VERY weird is such a rare thing in television. Unfortunately that also means it’s not remotely surprising it did poorly. When modern television is increasingly fixated not in providing an experience so good someone has to tune in but one just inoffensive enough to not tune off, a show that is completely willing to trip over its own ambitions and alienate most of the potential audience in the pursuit of the ideal audience is almost doomed to failure. I’m glad it exists as this strange unique thing. The things that would need to happen to make it a more popular shows would make it a boring one, and the show’s strongest trait is that it is never, ever boring.
@morthul5514
@morthul5514 2 жыл бұрын
That's a pretentious claim, umbrella academy is good it just prioritizes story. If you want more stuff like legion go to a local theatre, those are more suited for that format, but a TV show that shirks narrative continuity, depth, character motivation, and in show logic is nothing more than pretty colors on a screen with a vague continuity. Anthologies do it better, because they at least accept the lack of continuity rather than trying to hand wave it.
@colinmiller6649
@colinmiller6649 Жыл бұрын
Doom patrol is also really good.
@durttheelder4035
@durttheelder4035 7 ай бұрын
@@morthul5514 umbrella academy is soo cheesy in later seasons imo cheesy bad the first season I think hits the right amount, but the way they did the copycat power girl was too much for me and then a lot of what happened in season 3
@ProjektTaku
@ProjektTaku 22 күн бұрын
@@durttheelder4035 season 2 and 3 do settle into the weirdness but loose a lot of the dramatic weight. The comedy was still a plus but I felt that the character's were handled poorly: imo having Ben be killed and revived within the same episode, even if its technically a new version, is pretty silly, especially as most of the sparrows just get picked off throughout the season with only the former umbrella academy one surviving.
@sifatshams1113
@sifatshams1113 4 жыл бұрын
By the way, Mr. Robot as recently as last month had an amazing series finale, so....you know...
@megamob5834
@megamob5834 4 жыл бұрын
YES
@coutinhobros
@coutinhobros 4 жыл бұрын
Lies
@megamob5834
@megamob5834 4 жыл бұрын
Casson Coutinho if you’re referring to the finale I agree. But the series as a whole was incredible
@formalranger2164
@formalranger2164 4 жыл бұрын
@@megamob5834 what do you have against the finale
@megamob5834
@megamob5834 4 жыл бұрын
Formal Ranger21 : it felt a little anti climatic after the previous ep
@ashishbishtashu
@ashishbishtashu 2 жыл бұрын
Legion is the best show I have ever watched and it probably will remain my favorite show ever. The confusing narrative and alternate realities is what makes this show unique and a psychological treat for your mind. It gives its viewer the challenge to try to make sense of it and I have watched Legion 6 times so far and every time it hits different because of my added experience and changed perspective. This is what art is supposed to do as it does not spoon feed you the content without stimulating your creative mind but makes you imagine and feel things and this show knows how to make a superhero story painted on an artistic canvas. I loved every second of it and no other show is even near this one (at least for me). Cheers and "It's always blue".
@Sir66Hugh
@Sir66Hugh 4 жыл бұрын
The way I saw Legion was an examination of David's journey through trauma. From the cause of it through to resolution. Adult David HAD to drift off into the ether, otherwise, baby David couldn't grow up to be different.
@t.n.tforever3400
@t.n.tforever3400 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for explaining that because I was very confused
@shadypuff
@shadypuff 4 жыл бұрын
EASILY one of my favorite lines in recent TV history: Switch: "Is that a metaphor?" Dave: "A metaphor? No, A...Mal Farouk"
@sentry3118
@sentry3118 2 жыл бұрын
I did not catch that perfect wordplay. God this show is amazing even in the stupidest (endearing) ways
@aquilegia9734
@aquilegia9734 3 жыл бұрын
In the final episode David does not 'erase' himself and Syd (as you claim at 16:02), but rather it's Switch who 'erases' them (right before she 'ascends' fully and joins her father in the 'time ocean'). Throughout season 3, Switch has been the one navigating the 'time stream' and enabling time paradoxes to occur. All the major time manipulations exact a toll on Switch because 'time' itself actively works against her, fighting (queue the time demons) to eliminate the time paradoxes and preserve timeline integrity. However, after her death as a time traveler, Switch ascends to become a physical embodiment of Time itself. She then seeks to resolve the time paradoxes created by the presence of David and the others, basically cleaning up her own mess. That's why Switch/Time is shown saying goodbye and explicitly acknowledging 'their actions had been noted' at the end, just before she erases them from the timeline. I must say I really enjoyed Legion's portrayal of time travel (the hallway!) and the idea of having Time itself personified by entities that will actively fight to correct major timeline incursions. This concept can even eliminate the classic grandfather time travel paradox with a bit of creative thinking! If we consider a pair of timelines created by a time travel event to be (quantum) entangled time realities (similar to quantum entanglement of particles), both timelines/realities could exist simultaneously, thus negating the paradox. A 'time entity' (e.g. Switch or her father) would be required to observe/influence these entangled time realities, which would result in the collapse of their entangled state to unique individual states (existing/not existing), and thus a single final timeline.
@MichaelWaisJr
@MichaelWaisJr 3 жыл бұрын
I’m wondering if I was the only one who saw the time demons as looking like those creatures from The Beatles’ “The Yellow Submarine” when they were shown up close. I don’t know if that was on purpose but I thought it was really cool!
@glknight1813
@glknight1813 4 жыл бұрын
The flaw I see is you guys chose to focus on the Philosophy angle, but with an entirely Western view. What you should have done is gone with the Eastern Philosophy of Legion, cause it's basically a tale about David as Shiva from Hindu Mythology. Because Shiva is the Destroyer Of Worlds. And when you approach it from that perspective, it makes a LOT more sense.
@Obsidian104
@Obsidian104 4 жыл бұрын
You'll notice a pattern with these videos, if you've seen more than one.
@cilliancooney3950
@cilliancooney3950 4 жыл бұрын
Obsidian104 i agree completely that they have a very western philosophy based channel of videos
@dvharts4562
@dvharts4562 4 жыл бұрын
Could you explain that side? I'd like to hear about that
@appelsien3775
@appelsien3775 4 жыл бұрын
I always saw it as a story of overcoming one's own divinity and ego by opening up, realise you're not always the hero you make yourself out to be and befriending your shadow.
@Me-vn3gz
@Me-vn3gz 4 жыл бұрын
Could you explain?
3 жыл бұрын
I think the final speak between both Farouks is touching. It shows the evolution from leach to father that he has undergone and the love for his "son".
@salimalbitar
@salimalbitar 2 жыл бұрын
That's also beautiful ❤️
@colinmiller6649
@colinmiller6649 Жыл бұрын
I’d love to see a fuller video on KZbin about Farouk to analyze the character knowing how ends up at the end and compared to his character from the beginning and pinpoint how he changed.
Жыл бұрын
@@colinmiller6649 it's better if you see the series
@brandonmanrique1471
@brandonmanrique1471 4 жыл бұрын
Finally some one taking about this show, it deserves more recognition.
@MartinFelice
@MartinFelice 4 жыл бұрын
waaaaay more
@antwer1
@antwer1 4 жыл бұрын
Preach!
@delsupehe
@delsupehe 4 жыл бұрын
but is a 5/10 score not just another metaphor
@Ben-rz9cf
@Ben-rz9cf 4 жыл бұрын
HOW DO I KNOW IF I'M THE ME NOW OR IF THIS IS A MEMORY TOO I NEED TO KNOW WHATS REAL
@williehaller5840
@williehaller5840 4 жыл бұрын
@@Ben-rz9cf see that's a big part od legion wisecrack didn't get
@erikkennedy8725
@erikkennedy8725 3 жыл бұрын
Eh. I liked it. Smart or not it gets a higher score from me.
@MichaelWaisJr
@MichaelWaisJr 3 жыл бұрын
@@Ben-rz9cf I’m a dude playin’ a dude pretending to be another dude!
@Yahel123K
@Yahel123K 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly, legion led me through a rough patch of my life, when the idea of change for me was full of doubt. David's last monolouge, even though simplistic, gave me somehow the power the continue living - the person u once was is a suggestion, that uselly reflects the truth, but ur future self is an almost independent entity that reflects only on itself. But more than that, the show does it with uncomparble elegance and beauty. I don't see it as metaphorical or a deep show, as it is mostly just an experiance filled to the top with emotion. An emotional ride.
@glibaudiostories
@glibaudiostories 4 жыл бұрын
Legion is my favourite show I've ever watched and nobody ever talks about it! So glad to see someone finally talking about it!
@aikaterineillt9876
@aikaterineillt9876 3 жыл бұрын
I could see myself having liked the show if it wasn’t for the excruciating lovey dovey, obsessive romance aspect.
@glibaudiostories
@glibaudiostories 3 жыл бұрын
@@aikaterineillt9876 I think it was supposed to show an almost abusive relationship
@aSmallGreenDot
@aSmallGreenDot 3 жыл бұрын
@@aikaterineillt9876 interesting, I thought I hated romance, but I guess I'm not as crushed as you
@omahabibblemaddox2181
@omahabibblemaddox2181 4 жыл бұрын
This is the only show/movie from the series I'm going to 100% say, without a shadow of a doubt, is definitely not dumb. Is it deep? Maybe a little but it's definitely not dumb!
@squattingdog4551
@squattingdog4551 3 жыл бұрын
The entire show was a metaphor for therapy and mental illness. It became evident in the episode that dealt with Sydney growing up in the Astral plane. How did you miss this?
@rafetizer
@rafetizer 2 жыл бұрын
A metaphor? More like a massive, solid chunk of ham-fist.
@colinmiller6649
@colinmiller6649 Жыл бұрын
It’s like trauma therapy where you go back in time in your mind to learn what you would have done differently. The astral plane episode is what of my favorites and too see the maturity from the show and the two educate Sydney until she becomes self actualized to not take a punitive approach but instead a rehibitionist approach to how she deals with David Like in the other show Harlee Quin when Harley rewrites her origin story that excludes the joker from it.
@squattingdog4551
@squattingdog4551 Жыл бұрын
@@rafetizer it wad always that front the beginning. I t Just think at first it was much more subtle and towards the end its much more blatant. When it got to dealing with the change that inevitably comes from therapy it was more cut and dry.
@robt.v.8688
@robt.v.8688 2 жыл бұрын
It's cool to see so many people enjoyed this show. Whenever I bring it up no one knows what I'm talking about.. such an underrated series
@crozraven
@crozraven 4 жыл бұрын
It's a great show with all kind of trippy things going on. Definitely on of the most unique TV series I have ever watch for sure.
@MichaelWaisJr
@MichaelWaisJr 3 жыл бұрын
I think in order to understand it properly you need to either drop a lot of acid or cut back on a lot of acid. Lol! It’s a really awesome show!!
@Miqbtn
@Miqbtn 4 жыл бұрын
Legion is the best-underrated series of the 2010s.
@fcheadhuncho9945
@fcheadhuncho9945 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like David was never bad they gave his girlfriend a different perspective of him, and she didn’t hesitate to kill him. They made him look like the bad guy and then They put the man who tortured him for years in a place of power and yet he didn’t break he was still trying to save everyone by changing himself.
@sazude2
@sazude2 2 жыл бұрын
Right!! This is a good comment
@kernalfleak
@kernalfleak 2 жыл бұрын
Whose they?
@kernalfleak
@kernalfleak 2 жыл бұрын
He had the good idea of changing himself to change the outcome but his original plan was to kill amal. Sydney edited his plan and she was a vital part in correcting it. Both of them with their differences came together at the end and contributed to the outcome. Sydney did hesitate to go against him. Infact the beginning of the show she excused a lot of things. Experiencing the consequences of excusing his behaviour is what made her stand up to him. What farok did was bad and the show did address it in the end by having his older self recognise how petty he used to be. Remember what melanie said. Its not us vs them. Its us and them,
@morthul5514
@morthul5514 2 жыл бұрын
He also viewed her as a way to start over idealizing her, manipulated her, raped her, and showed concerning tendencies such as sadism and a god complex, not to mention the daddy issues. They were lukewarm with their character motives and the entire thing falls limp if you look at justification, not to mention how they treat farouk with the way they visually portrayed him. They're also inconsistent with the rules of the universe which makes it not compelling. Again, super pretty but I can get the same production level from most theatrical productions/shows that draw on that style. I'd get the same level of depth and thought from a pink Floyd concert. I probably would've enjoyed legion more if I was melting on a tab of acid
@allaround360
@allaround360 2 жыл бұрын
@@morthul5514 And Sydney also manipulated him for her needs to be met. She seemed to have very little growth in her character by acknowledging her own wrongs doings. Instead excusing them and determining that actually she was the victim. Which might parallel with her own statement in Season 3 that David sees himself as a victim. Very soon after this she has her conversation with a younger version of herself. Coming to the conclusion she was a victim when sexually assaulting her mother's boyfriend. "He turned me around. All I think of is my face pushed into the glass." She actually feels she was wronged. They don't seem to just imply that confused her about sex. She played games with David just to tell him how they love the sinners best. Only to completely change her mind because maybe he enjoyed killing some soldiers trying to kill him? Maybe he enjoyed torturing someone he believed to be Farouk? In his mind he was just doing what Sydney said. Doing whatever it took to save love. Because this is war. They attempt to make it seem like he just misunderstood her true intentions. She doesn't mean there ISN'T a line. But Syd herself doesn't seem to have a line until the end of season 3. And this shift in David's character really felt shoehorned in to be honest. Nothing about him seemed capable of the things he did. Sexually coercing Syd. Torturing Oliver. We sort of understand why. But David in season 1 would have attempted to find a different way. Tried to remove Farouks control over them. And nowhere EXCEPT for Sydney's game and conversation implied his thoughts on something like would have changed. So both of them were incredibly toxic but they seemed to portray it as an ideal relationship. That was kinda poorly done. Season 2 had a kinda unearned ending.
@SKSith
@SKSith 4 жыл бұрын
There was a lot of stuff about the importance of good parenting that you seemed to have missed when looking for meaning in the show. Especially in season 3 and very directly in the episode with Syd's second life.
@MichaelWaisJr
@MichaelWaisJr 3 жыл бұрын
My parents sucked and I turned out…. Whoops Nevermind. 😂
@MichaelWaisJr
@MichaelWaisJr 3 жыл бұрын
Let’s put it this way. At least I didn’t try to destroy the world. Lol!!
@deadlegend45
@deadlegend45 4 жыл бұрын
I personally think Noah Hawley as a whole is one of the most intereting newcomers to sit behind the writer and directors chair. Legion and Fargo are pretty amazing shows with each being really stylized and so well thought out.
@norrinradd6746
@norrinradd6746 4 жыл бұрын
Is it just me or is the fact that the viewpoint character in this show is schizophrenic basically just glossed over or forgotten in this video? It's pretty relevant, given how much time is spent discussing inconsistencies between reality and metaphor. Loose associations are literally one of the primary diagnostic features of the disease.
@williehaller5840
@williehaller5840 4 жыл бұрын
Right!?
@signpainterthe
@signpainterthe 3 жыл бұрын
I don't know, but for me season three gives a very clear message about parenting, mental health and childhood psychological trauma. The way you were raised as a kid affects the way you behave as an adult. We saw it on both David and Syd's examples. Proper parenting for Syd ended up for her being strong, self-aware and independent woman. David, on the other hand, being raised by mentally unstable mother who were abandoned by her husband, constantly fails to control "The Legion": a literal embodiment of his fears, doubts, self-hatred and depression. Kinda obvious for me.
@Whatwhat86
@Whatwhat86 10 ай бұрын
Yeah feels like he kinda missed the obvious
@DFloyd84
@DFloyd84 4 жыл бұрын
I haven't seen the show, but when you said "time travel" in the same context as David "Legion" Haller, I immediately jumped to the Age of Apocalypse. Legion time travels to kill Magneto, but accidentally kills his dad instead. That somehow makes Apocalypse awaken early and he steamrolls Earth's defences, conquering North America and turning it into a social Darwinist hellhole ruled by sadistic mutants.
@pankaches2723
@pankaches2723 4 жыл бұрын
Speaking of godlike superpowered characters, what about an HBO's Watchmen: Deep or Dumb?
@Ben-rz9cf
@Ben-rz9cf 4 жыл бұрын
dumb.
@dcmarvelcomicfans9458
@dcmarvelcomicfans9458 4 жыл бұрын
Deep
@theresnothinghereatall
@theresnothinghereatall 3 жыл бұрын
or
@tezmard3003
@tezmard3003 3 жыл бұрын
Definitely dumb
@NateBlogsYou
@NateBlogsYou 3 жыл бұрын
HBO show deep, the movie dumb as shit
@benparrish672
@benparrish672 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe my favorite scene in all of LEGION was when a young Charles Xavier was sitting and having a drink with The Shadow King. Those two owned the show with their acting skills. "It's hard to hate someone you understand"
@MrSlatra
@MrSlatra 4 жыл бұрын
Legion was very enjoyable. I've watched it all the way through several times and wish more shows like it existed. Wisecrack was correct in their last statement, "Maybe [they're] just not getting it"
@diegowushu
@diegowushu 4 жыл бұрын
Legion is the best Marvel show or movie ever made. There, I said it. You know it to be true. Noah Hawley is a great showrunner.
@time4acheckuplilmama
@time4acheckuplilmama 4 жыл бұрын
This show is so underrated
@anthonycraig274
@anthonycraig274 3 жыл бұрын
Nobody I know gets it. That if they can get past the fear they created for themselves while watching it.
@praxonym
@praxonym 4 жыл бұрын
Multiple personalities make it difficult to have consistent perception..especially when you are creating and perceiving reality simultaneously.
@gloriousleader3203
@gloriousleader3203 4 жыл бұрын
ngl, I thought the message was pretty dang clear. People are broken, but they dont have to be. Be kind to others, and give each other grace.
@MichaelWaisJr
@MichaelWaisJr 3 жыл бұрын
“Be excellent to each other!! … And party on dudes!!” Preach!!! 🤘✌️
@AnnMTL
@AnnMTL 3 жыл бұрын
It's not David that changes the past but rather Farouk and his father, who come to an agreement to settle on peace... It was an amazing show and it gave me such a wonderful viewing experience. It's absurd, and deep, just like life and I think that's it's real teaching. I love wisecrack but I think this time, Legion defies philosophical analysis.
@JacobMaglies
@JacobMaglies 4 жыл бұрын
I FULLY believed this said “Religion, is it deep or dumb?”
@paulakroy2635
@paulakroy2635 4 жыл бұрын
david does develop a cult who worships him soo
@DEFKONSIXTYSIXlml
@DEFKONSIXTYSIXlml 4 жыл бұрын
Religion is deeply dumb
@Irondragon1945
@Irondragon1945 4 жыл бұрын
@@DEFKONSIXTYSIXlml *_[Fedora Tipping intensifies]_*
@Yngsatchvai
@Yngsatchvai 4 жыл бұрын
Seek and find
@samandriaz5905
@samandriaz5905 4 жыл бұрын
Useful......depending on the political situation that is.😉
@victorhsluiz
@victorhsluiz 4 жыл бұрын
This 5/10 score was a plot twist for me, it makes no sense. I think the most important thing of the story is to show what happens when someone with a mind that can bend the rules of what is real or not, but also have to cope with mental illness caused by the trauma of having an entity just as powerful living inside his own mind, starts to gain control of his own self. The flaws that David shows in his moral character are justified by his own madness, and he becomes more powerful than ever exactly when he learns to embrace this madness (Legion) and use it combined with his powers to travel back in time to kill the thing that broke him (beyond repair, as Sydney said), he decided to destroy everything in order to fix his own self and reset his own reality. Seriously, does that sound like a 5/10 for smarts?
@somenote2186
@somenote2186 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with this
@MichaelWaisJr
@MichaelWaisJr 3 жыл бұрын
@@somenote2186 I concur.
@gilliganIII
@gilliganIII 4 жыл бұрын
I believe the show is a depiction of what the world looks like from David's point of view. However, David has unlimited power and therefore can alter reality, so what would the world look like to someone who can change anything they want? Legion. Also I think that this is all set before his time in the comics and that is why this world is separate from them.
@jlupus8804
@jlupus8804 3 жыл бұрын
I like that Farouk was able to be an interesting villain for 3 seasons in a row- I’ve never seen any other villain do that in a series except Magneto
@vishalvenkat6
@vishalvenkat6 4 жыл бұрын
Finally, some love for Legion.
@DollyGe
@DollyGe 4 жыл бұрын
But the way that show made me feel... It's a true gem
@bravobytz1820
@bravobytz1820 4 жыл бұрын
I figured it was a kind of joke on how they’d been cancelled. They only had one more season to tell a complex story and so many plot threads and jokes are devoted to telling the story as quickly as possible (hence time travel) and the only way to tell this story properly is another incarnation of Legion. Like the cult (following of the show) dissipating by demon (studio heads) speeding up time. I love the joke when Cary calls in a change in setting instead of having to show them going there or getting rescued
@pipuk3
@pipuk3 4 жыл бұрын
I hope you guys review having the at home testing service as a sponsor as it seems somewhat unethical to encourage people to not visit their doctor and use an online service instead...
@limberlad
@limberlad 4 жыл бұрын
I agree with this statement completely. Of course sponsors are necessary, but it's important for any channel on KZbin to do their due diligence on ensuring the company that they are putting their name behind and promoting aren't malicious in their business model. Giving a private company that kind of sensitive and personal information is incredibly dangerous, and kind of stupid.
@dd11111
@dd11111 4 жыл бұрын
That’s a very good point.
@MichaelWaisJr
@MichaelWaisJr 3 жыл бұрын
Umm, speaking of time travel, I’m reading all your comments a year later and having survived 2020 I should say that an at-home testing kit seems pretty practical (at least if you’re in quarantine and trying to survive the zombie apocalypse that is Covid).
@Irondragon1945
@Irondragon1945 4 жыл бұрын
Micheal, from now on your introduction to these Videos shall always be "Hey Wisecrack, Micheal here." The question "where are your fingers" is optional.
@sj97inr4
@sj97inr4 4 жыл бұрын
I think the final note this review ends on is the most accurate. Legion uses unstable representation to allow for a multiplicity of meanings and interpertations that can be exclusive to one another or symbiotic. It discourses with a variety of philosophical sources to enrich its figurative language while refraining from subscribing to any specific one. As such, im not sure its right to measure how "smart" the show is by evaluating its ability to articulate a specific conclusion
@BidnessGoose
@BidnessGoose 3 жыл бұрын
I always thought the point was about the nature of choice vs nature, and about the issues of mental health, self control, and the issues of validation vs self indulgence
@MichaelWaisJr
@MichaelWaisJr 3 жыл бұрын
Throughout the whole show, you’ve got a protagonist suffering from schizophrenia/mental illness, so of course the show does a great job at suspending disbelief and portraying perceptions the way one would expect someone with mental illness/hallucinations/delusions might perceive their own world. I really liked that part about this show!
@Lachgummei
@Lachgummei Жыл бұрын
They actually solve the Grandfather Paradox. In season 2, the one episode where we see multiple realities (multiple versions of David) there is one version of him, explaining "and that branch makes branches, and that branch makes branches...". Basically you have a origin point (the baby) from which decisions that effect the baby (his own or anybody interacting with him) lead to different outcomes in the reality -> different timeslines (the ocean). Davids story was that his origin was compromised by the shadow king, leading to the miserable state his reality is in. By changing past Farouk, making it so he wont infiltrate Davids mind, he actually IS erasing all these branches. Resetting them to a point where David can live a good and happy life. Thats why they are fading away.
@crs7461
@crs7461 4 жыл бұрын
One of the best shows that people didn't see. Beautifull, crazy, original, very well made fantasy sci-fi. Legion and Preacher are the best comic shows out there.
@williehaller5840
@williehaller5840 4 жыл бұрын
Oh snap! Preacher kicks ass, bro! I like Legion more but yeah Preacher was killer.
@MichaelWaisJr
@MichaelWaisJr 3 жыл бұрын
@@williehaller5840 I thought “Preacher” started to lose its spark in the final season 😞. I only saw a couple of episodes of “Preacher”‘s last season before but I want to try again and give it another chance.
@immortalized_onion
@immortalized_onion 3 жыл бұрын
The time travel logic works if you ask me, David goes back and changes the past then his "world" disappears, and from here a new world line was created. I think it's kind of like the many worlds theory but a lot more confusing.
@MichaelWaisJr
@MichaelWaisJr 3 жыл бұрын
It’s just like I said!! It all alludes back to the episode about the multiverse in Season 2!! Like tweaker David said in that episode, “The multiverse branches and it branches….”. So if they just rewatched that episode with the multiverse and tweaker David and family man David and coffee-boy David and homeless David, they’d get it but they totally overlooked the episode with the multiverse!!
@walkingcarpet420
@walkingcarpet420 4 жыл бұрын
Legion was my favorite show of the last decade, loved every minute of it.
@paulakroy2635
@paulakroy2635 4 жыл бұрын
Same
@RumtumtuggerTB
@RumtumtuggerTB 4 жыл бұрын
Legion wears its influences on its sleeves. Study a lil bit, come back with a hotter take
@Aalexatv95
@Aalexatv95 4 жыл бұрын
Our thinking of time is limited by our perception of the limits of time travel.
@thelanavishnuorchestra
@thelanavishnuorchestra 4 жыл бұрын
I, for one, loved the musical numbers. The show had the greatest score of any TV series I've ever seen. And all the trippy, contradictory, bizarre stuff of a psychic superhero series by nature is full of BS as far as reflection of actual reality. There were so many snippets and arcs that made me think about things in ways I enjoyed. I thought they made it work and it was the most beautiful series I can think of.
@aSmallGreenDot
@aSmallGreenDot 3 жыл бұрын
something for your M.I.N.D was awesome
@praxonym
@praxonym 4 жыл бұрын
In terms of metaphors the show is deep because EvErything is significant. Color sound everything..
@Sharpe1502
@Sharpe1502 3 жыл бұрын
I’m glad I’m not the only one who didn’t fully get the third season and it was basically Noah Hawley going, “Not everything has to make sense for it to be cool! Now enjoy your weird glitchy demons fighting one of the twins.”
@iamthemetalgod
@iamthemetalgod 3 жыл бұрын
I love this video, and I agree with all you've said, however I would like to propose a simpler alternative view. Besides all the metaphors and symbolism which are obviously there for the artistic aspect of it, all we see in the show is exactly what it looks like if we were David, we are experiencing reality from the perspective of someone to whom reality is malleable, who can shape it at will and even change the rules the world itself tries to impose on him (at one point I'm pretty sure he time travels by his own power while switch was incapacitated), I think the reason everything is so confusing and weird is because we are seeing a, reasonable imo, attempt at showing what a god might see. At the end of the day David is a mutant god to whom reality is meaningless and also he is insane, so that is why all we see is so distorted, I imagine if the show was from the pov of say Syd for example it would be a lot less trippy.
@DragonSlayer030489
@DragonSlayer030489 4 жыл бұрын
19:37 ... is that a babble fish?! I always got very strong Douglas Adams vibes from this show
@cptrelentless80085
@cptrelentless80085 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, it was named after the famous Tower of Babble.
@TCO_404
@TCO_404 4 жыл бұрын
That's exactly what it was. :)
@hugog9788
@hugog9788 4 жыл бұрын
5/10 on the smarts But definitely a 12/10 on how much fun i had watching this crazy ass show
@tez2121
@tez2121 4 жыл бұрын
I so I wished you you gave this show a full look through. It’s so layered, and it fits in you cannon. I feel wisecrack will look back at this as a missed work of art.
@kenanpopovcevic1075
@kenanpopovcevic1075 Жыл бұрын
Season 1 was cool, 2 was interesting to extent, 3 was weird. Season 1 was cool because you dont know if its real or not
@finnthefannibal
@finnthefannibal 4 жыл бұрын
You guys have to look at Noah Hawley's work less as commentary and more as a thought exercise. There is no one conclusive philosophy because the goal of Legion is to open our minds a little to different ideas. It talks a little about a lot of topics: self perception, gender, religion(the relationship between a god and mortals), trauma and love. It also finds new ways of using old thought experiments like the allegory of the cave to convey contemporary ideas. Metaphor is used as a tool and not a philosophy of the show. It's definitely a show that you need to watch multiple times to get it. It's got many many layers.
@williehaller5840
@williehaller5840 4 жыл бұрын
You get it. I'm working on absorbing the ideas of reality being somewhat of a decision and how things spread mentally and socially. What is one of your more recent insights?
@MangoTownPlays
@MangoTownPlays 4 жыл бұрын
You can start the video at 2:21 to skip ad
@kraken7784
@kraken7784 4 жыл бұрын
Thx
@MichaelWaisJr
@MichaelWaisJr 3 жыл бұрын
No, don’t!! I need to find out who has STDs!!!
@cameronbishop4744
@cameronbishop4744 4 жыл бұрын
My favorite show being covered by on of my favorite KZbin teams? HOLY COW!
@yensid4294
@yensid4294 4 жыл бұрын
Legion was a surrealistic fairytale & I loved it 💖
@nohitbox9346
@nohitbox9346 2 жыл бұрын
5/10.? This Show Is A Work Of Art.. It’s Amazingly Chaotic And Manic.. Just The Little Things They Took Into Account Is More Than Most Movie’s Do.. You’ve Never Lost Your Mind.. Or Been Depressed.. This Show Is What It’s Like To Be The Most Sane Person In The Room The Most Honest And The Most Pure.. How The Creator Got All The Perfect Pieces Together And Managed To Create Or Convey The Human Experience In Such A Polished And Beautiful Way Is What This Show Is Impossible.. Idk If There Is Better Way To Go About This.. But I Would Love To See Someone Out Class This It Would Be A Sight To Behold..
@Rocketman1292
@Rocketman1292 4 жыл бұрын
Do a Deep or Dumb on Death Stranding!
@tellmesomething2412
@tellmesomething2412 4 жыл бұрын
Or... 🎶 "Under the sea." 🎶
@formalranger2164
@formalranger2164 4 жыл бұрын
we all know its dumb
@adrianrobles2272
@adrianrobles2272 4 жыл бұрын
Its dumb but nice, connecting woth people and shit was amazing
@napoleon4153
@napoleon4153 4 жыл бұрын
It's a first strand type game.... and hopefully the last
@Werewolf914
@Werewolf914 4 жыл бұрын
I haven't finished it yet (only can take about a hour of delivering before I'm done for the day and haven't played it in awhile) so far the story is really interesting only on Chapter 3 not sure how long it is, but the gameplay? Definitely not the best, I'm thinking I might just put it on the easiest difficulty so I can just walk past all the enemies and just get to the cutscenes.
@nathanielm9150
@nathanielm9150 4 жыл бұрын
Where did thug notes go? That was the best part of this channel
@darnellrichier623
@darnellrichier623 4 жыл бұрын
I think a better lens through which to consider Legion is the psychoanalytic. Legion, is an exploration of how a mind (Divid's) copes on a path toward discovering it is a being with limitless powers plagued by its past and the shadow. Season 1 is about the systemic suppression and transcendence of the individual, gas lighting, with themes of love and what not. Season 2 is about the battle for public opinion generally, throughout the course of the season we the audience as well as the characters are convinced that David is bad, evil. I would argue with no actual reason save he kills a few guards, the overarching influence of The Shadow King and the general sense of fear and suspicion the show directs towards David. Season 3 is about how the alienated deal with transcendent power. We could just start a cult like many other "transcendent" human before (Manson, jim jones etc) a la the opening of season 3, however the show suggests that reframing and fixing the past is centrally important, both literally (saving Baby David) and figuratively (Sydney reframing her memory and opinion of David, as worthy of love and life). I would argue, counter to this videos claim that everything hinges on the third and final season, that much in the format of a tv series each season must be taken as nearly a standalone argument. Is the show disorienting yes, does the show out right lie to and confuse us, of course, thats the point a la season 2(mental dysfunction is ubiquitous, infectious, and so on). But 5/10? Don't make me downgrade your opinion Wisecrack to that of a RottonTomatoes critic score. I agree with you guys, the show is visually excellent. And in our current age of superhero saturated media, I would also praise the show for its interesting representation of superpowers as dance, song and other (low-tech )devices to fill the gap where normally a large special effects budget would be. What I would say critically about the show is as It deals with themes of mental illness, its attempt to BE likewise may work too well. Often a whole season of Legion is only intelligible in retrospect of its conception of mental function/disfunction hinging on our opinion of what happened (good TV IMO) rather than ethicised for us ("good guy good, bad guy bad"). Where as a book or a comic may offer adequate exposition, in Legion we are often left with just the image, distorted, perspectival through which to form and resolve our own opinions.The meaning is hidden in each season, but we are not led straight to a conclusion as is so often the case in film and TV. And arguably without a clear resolution an ethic is harder to form: Season1- Is David (the transcendent man) good or bad? We don't know, both maybe. Season 2- Are our beliefs founded or unfounded (infected or not)? We don't know, both apparently. Season 3- How can we save the world, each other and ourselves? We can and we can't? This show warranted a "deeper" look Wisecrack.
@SAS-jj8yh
@SAS-jj8yh 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like Legion teaches by episode and overall has the artistic story to ponder and draw ideas/realisations from. Like all art, it doesn't tell you why it's deep, it shows you and lets you make your mind up. Honestly one of the best live action shows, on par with Doom Patrol for how weird it is
@Mr_Wicked
@Mr_Wicked 4 жыл бұрын
GOD I MISS WATCHING LEGION.
@williehaller5840
@williehaller5840 4 жыл бұрын
I'm watching it through for the fourth or 5th time. I've noticed something new every time
@Matter-Dark
@Matter-Dark 4 жыл бұрын
Me too bro.
@yourpalsammy9773
@yourpalsammy9773 Ай бұрын
Legion helped me come to terms with my mental illness and encouraged me to seek help and take responsibility for it, as well as any bad actions done that may or may not have been a result of it. I tell people that this show was a developmental stepping stone for me mentally. I'm happy it exists.
@HLDMAD1CK
@HLDMAD1CK 4 жыл бұрын
this show its meant to be watched more than once to get it
@gandalfbmg
@gandalfbmg 3 жыл бұрын
I finally finished the show last night, and the idea that's been rattling around my brain since is that the whole show is an artistic exploration of mental illness; it's causes (abandonment, generational trauma, etc.), healthy ways to coping with it, and so on. But maybe that's just me projecting... I'm still thinking it through.
@MichaelWaisJr
@MichaelWaisJr 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with you.
@clauliz5502
@clauliz5502 4 жыл бұрын
I would love for them to talk about Infinity Train
@danielweber380
@danielweber380 4 жыл бұрын
Personally, I see Legion like a painting written in madness. Its a journey we take, and like any good piece of art it can and will speak to the watcher differently on a case by case basis. I see it as the story of person who embraces the power fantasy only to lose himself in it. the final season was him seeking the only redemption he could conceive of, oblivion and a fresh start. I found it a good series that is worth watching, worth considering, and it ended well and did not feel the need to "resolve all the questions." In the end it ate its own tale, and that's fine with me and a good representation of what these tv runs can be: A stand alone thought that concludes itself.
@MichaelWaisJr
@MichaelWaisJr 3 жыл бұрын
What I liked was how David became the villain and a destructive force because he wanted to literally erase all of the past that had happened. And this error caused the time eaters to come out and wreak havoc. It’s a great example of a story where someone tries to do something heroic by destroying what they once were. Then they become a megalomaniac because they want to change the whole timeline. And then because of their overzealousness and obsession they become a destructive force without even realizing it. I really loved the writing for those reasons!
@MichaelWaisJr
@MichaelWaisJr 3 жыл бұрын
As a matter of fact, I just realized now, after watching the series finale literally only an hour or two ago that David Haller is presented as his father’s (Xavier’s) opposite in that he wants to go to war with Farouk. I’m thinking about the dialogue Xavier has with David about Farouk’s agreement for peace. Xavier fought people during wartime who were willing to kill and destroy in order to make their nation “clean” in some way. So when Xavier is citing his experiences in the war to his son David and telling David there’s a better way, it’s because he sees how David’s obsession is not unlike the misguided obsessions that caused other tyrants to start wars.
@paulocastro6998
@paulocastro6998 4 жыл бұрын
everyone seens to forget that Farouk tortured and killed David's sister and later manipulated sydney and the others to turn against david, (not saying that david didnt fuck up)
@rafetizer
@rafetizer 2 жыл бұрын
Legion is a show that's 50% great ideas, 25% filler, and 25% forgetting what it was doing and wandering off. There's plenty of good stuff, but also equal amounts of implausible nonsense. (some of which is fine since it is highly entertaining nonsense) The biggest issues come from the way characters are written. Trying to predict what any one person will do is a fruitless endeavor, as everyone seems to be easily manipulated at-will, or simply has mercurial tendencies. There are some very interesting situations that arise, but the gravity of these situations seems at-odds with the surreal astral-plane excursions and ever-shifting tone. These are ideas that deserved more exploration, but for some reason are brushed over or forgotten in favor of re-hashed scenes and musical numbers as time-filler. There's definitely some ham-fisted morality (that is somewhat questionable in it's lack of nuance or appreciation of the specifics of an issue), and a helluva a lot of strange bedfellows. Not a bad show, not a great show. It could have used some clean-up work to narrow the focus at times, because there's a plethora of cool ideas that just aren't really tied together very well. (note, this isn't an easy task with such an ambitious project, so credit where it is due) Also, Syd is a highly frustrating character. (as is people's refusal to be specific about things they've witnessed, where such specificity should be the number one priority of a character encountering some of the things these characters encounter)
@gafanhotogamer5993
@gafanhotogamer5993 4 жыл бұрын
5/10, very balanced, as all things should be. Deep and dumb, balanced in one madhouse of a show
@stubbedthumb7735
@stubbedthumb7735 4 жыл бұрын
It took several times coming back to watch the first episode before I was able to get into Legion, but holy shit am I glad I kept watching.
@lajenbajen_
@lajenbajen_ 4 жыл бұрын
I love your work guys and I respect your interpretations (especially when I disagree), and I start saying that because I dont want to be misunderstood, but I think that "Deep or Dumb" wasn't the right approach. Legion it's a bit of both, and that's kind of the point, as you well said, is in a very high percent an artistic proposal more than a (sci-fi/surreal) narration. So, maybe it should be better do a "Philosophy of" (or in this case, the psichology), so you can talk of the show for what it propose instead of what it makes good, bad or in a middle point. Legion discuss very good ideas (literally and metaphorically), and the style of those videos gives more freedom to play with the theories and bibliography.
@loganscott814
@loganscott814 3 жыл бұрын
I'd say Legion does make points, just not with pan-psychism. It's often much more direct than that, the best example of this I have is the opening scenes in season 2 where the narrator will pretty much just tell you the point. The grandfather paradox wasn't really an issue. From the perspective of someone in the time David travels back to, he would have been there and then died and vanished. It's pretty much the same as how this works in The Flash.
@RainingOnMyParade
@RainingOnMyParade 4 жыл бұрын
I don't usually cry man, but that last episode of legion got me... it was beautiful. I think you' re wrong, I think you're a fake Jared, and maybe wisecrack is dumb and not deep. The story beautifully folds in on itself the only person who really remember anything will be Faruk and he will be better because of it. You are only focusing all of it on the last season with time travel but not taking in the full picture of the first 2 seasons.
@yukiayumi6242
@yukiayumi6242 2 жыл бұрын
I couldn't tell exactly either what it all meant but somehow it did something to me. It changed me in a way. In multiple aspects, as far as I can tell, so I would guess that this show may hold many different meanings and may convey many different messages. All I can say for certain is that it showed me things I've never seen before and helped me become just a little bit better. And in the end that is all I look for in a good story.
@ZEKESPILLEDINKMUSIC
@ZEKESPILLEDINKMUSIC 4 жыл бұрын
I miss this show.
@josephnolan8217
@josephnolan8217 3 жыл бұрын
I still reflect on the take aways from this show. It was an artistic psychological thrill ride. The soundtrack, the scenery, the topics and metaphors were on point. 10/10.
@makenamaehara2815
@makenamaehara2815 4 жыл бұрын
All i can say i loved the show.
@Bee-zr5pb
@Bee-zr5pb 3 жыл бұрын
I loved when Oliver the wizard guy rap battles the big bad wolf and wins with verse poetry
@morpheusm9717
@morpheusm9717 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for talking about this, I really love the show, so I'm prolly biased it should get a few points more, but I agree with almost every point you made. I would love to see finally now that it's over the directors comment on your take. If you did that you would be literal and metaphorical gods. Also please do Mr Robot.
@draccon136
@draccon136 4 жыл бұрын
I think the time travel "paradox" you point out is possible to square: the events we saw happened, and changing the past closed a loop. Kind of like the collapse of the tangent universe in Donnie Darko. I still enjoyed it and think it's about half deep too, but a lot of writing choices confuse characters' motivations and take away from any meaningful thesis about personal growth and change. For example: -David (with future Syd) and Sydney (eg, with Farouk as Melanie) are really gullible and don't ask critical questions about why they should reverse their goals and betray their friends. The whole future Syd plotline is weird in retrospect, including how much info she withholds: --Unclear why future Syd would even think Farouk could help her if he died before David got fixated on time traveling. --Also unclear and hardly credible why David, after killing Farouk, without being betrayed by Syd and Div 3, would get so unhinged and obsessed with time traveling to undo his trauma that he risks destroying the world. (The characters' odd determinism, partly due to Farouk's manipulation which the characters never address, towards David becoming the villain makes the show seem to suggest that people usually can't make positive personal changes, even with empathetic support, especially if they're "CrAzY"). -Farouk goes from clearly evil and sadistic in seasons 1 and 2 (killing Amy and manipulating Syd and Div 3 to destroy David), to suddenly just wanting to peacefully coexist with Charles & David in season 3, without much explanation. -The show portrays as justified Melanie and Syd's reactions, to their men being kidnapped, of feeling deeply abandoned, angry, and bitter towards them. Until magical plot devices change their feelings. Not supportive of the idea that people can work to heal and improve themselves (other than by time travel or getting to live an extra life on the astral plane). -Lenny is a great vehicle for fun acting from Aubrey Plaza but most of what she does has no internal logic or character development, including killing herself. Logical issues with the time demons also undercut some of the impact the show could have: -Future Syd kidnaps David because he couldn't stop time demons, but he is also able to explode and scare them off pretty easily? -The time demons are well-trained guardians of the timestream, but also seem to love (jump)scaring humans and can accidentally destroy the world? Thanks!
@MichaelWaisJr
@MichaelWaisJr 3 жыл бұрын
Lenny killing herself made a lot of sense to me. She’s a junkie who, as she says in Season 3, killed her family as part of her backstory. She’s a pretty horrible mother figure. So I could see her offing herself after going through that time flux of seeing her daughter grow up and carrying the burden and the guilt of what she is and what she’s come from. It was all so sudden for her.
@danimalfarm
@danimalfarm Жыл бұрын
@@MichaelWaisJr It was so much worse than that. She had already decided to reject her past, step away from David, and lead a quiet, happy family life with Salmon. Lenny then experienced her daughter's entire life. She knew that decision was the correct one, and being there for her daughter would be the most important thing in her life. And it was taken away from her. Salmon, their daughter, and their entire future were reduced to dust by the time-eaters.
@benparrish672
@benparrish672 4 жыл бұрын
Oliver is one of my favorite characters on that show.
@williehaller5840
@williehaller5840 4 жыл бұрын
Oliver is my favorite now. It went David, Faruke, Oliver
@jonathanfine9780
@jonathanfine9780 4 жыл бұрын
Legion showed that all psychic astral plane battles are in the form of rap battles and/or dance-offs because they are about who has the bigger imagination. Also why Professor X always wins, his opponents underestimate his dance skills
@williehaller5840
@williehaller5840 4 жыл бұрын
Did you notice in the battle in the nightclub how David's backup dancers had to submit to him and Oliver's worked in concert with him
@AcornRiot
@AcornRiot 4 жыл бұрын
Legion felt avant garde for the hell of being avant garde. Which was my main turn off from the show. I enjoy when avant garde-ness serves a greater purpose.
@IMatchoNation
@IMatchoNation 4 жыл бұрын
*ding ding ding* get'cher truth right here folks!
@mr.dr0bot731
@mr.dr0bot731 4 жыл бұрын
You sound like a fucking idiot who hasn't finished the show.
@megamob5834
@megamob5834 4 жыл бұрын
Travis Hunt I think they were just trying to contrast some of the bigger, headier ideas with some silly, stylish flights of fancy just for the sake of entertainment or “art”. That being said, I absolutely love this show but I guess I kinda just agreed with you didn’t I? 🤔
@AcornRiot
@AcornRiot 4 жыл бұрын
@@megamob5834 Yes as I said "avant garde for the hell of it"
@A11sopp
@A11sopp 4 жыл бұрын
The point is that you get to watch a load of cool shit happen. It's as simple as that tbh.
@lancenichols3542
@lancenichols3542 4 жыл бұрын
I am convinced White-guy-in-baseball-hat does not watch anything he is given a script to act smart-talk over. Like, does anyone remember Future Syd from season 2? David literally uses astral-projection time-travel, and Future Syd uses a time-travel orb.
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