The Philosophy of Deadpool - Wisecrack Edition

[@higurashikai09]

I found that despite Deadpool's cynical attitude, it does stand apart from other films. The fourth wall between the audience is broken directly rather than through interactions with other characters. Deadpool talks to the audience rather than to another character expecting the audience to get in on the joke. Not a lot of movies do this. You see it more often when a character turns to another with a snarky remark or only implies the acknowledgment of the audience (however, there are both of these in the movie as well). So rather than the "we get it, you're funny" reaction, Deadpool's jokes are less expected and more ridiculous.

[@tyson_packman]

FluteGeek09 yeah

[@Wolftess]

I agree. I think that by directly addressing the audience Deadpoll turns the viewer into a fellow character. He destroys the illusion that his narrative takes place in a reality separate from ours, but he pulls us into the fiction at the same time. The same thing happends in House of Cards. Shakespeare too.

[@mattjohnston2]

I think it kind of deserves a different category. Because there are several other movies that have done this exact same thing ie: Ferris Bueller. Unfortunately, none of them have stood the test of time outside their smaller cult followings.

[@Wren_the_Bird_King]

FluteGeek09 What you are describing is the between Breaking the Fourth Wall and Leaning on the Fourth Wall.

[@rike1775]

What adds to the jokes being 'less expected hence they are more ridiculous' is the fact that a lot of them weren't scripted. Ryan Reynolds was in the movie most of the time rather doing what fitted in, 'being Deadpool and joke' than acting

[@L0LWTF1337]

Deadpool did offer something new. A good x-men movie.

[@mohamedumar3082]

so u didn't enjoy first class or days of future past or apocalypse or even x2 : United.......

[@Rasaevire]

wolverine movies are a good watch/movie(film british) but not funny like deadpool but old man logan is not fun

[@likenem]

First two X-men movies were good when they came out.The Blade series , the X-men series and the Spider Man series laid the ground work for How to create a good comic book movie that isn't Batman. The first X-men didn't, focus to much on origins stories, the outfits aren't Terrible(Like batnips bad), there isn't to much C.G.I, It nailed the actor selection and modernized the story line.

[@holypaladin4657]

You have to admit that Hugh Jackman is perfect for the role of Wolverine though. Though a bunch of the movies and their stories are shit, Hugh always makes it survivable.

[@voidsff]

First class, DOFP, and apocalypse are easily some of the best superhero movies out there

[@SpurdoMaltese]

I'd honestly use One Punch Man as a counter example. By subverting and mocking all the tropes its genre employs, it has created something entirely new, while both being commentary and an amazing action show in it's own right, it also asks "What makes a hero." and does so honestly, and in a none-cliche fashion. All the characters outside of the main character, also take every event like a serious threat to humanity, and while we the viewer know that Saitama is eventually gonna save the day, the stakes and struggles are real for everyone in the Hero Association. Saitama's issues however diverge, in that he's so powerful that he has become bored of life. He's the most powerful being in the universe, yet he still has personal issues which he struggle with. The problem Deadpool might have, is that no character takes what's happening seriously, nothing is sacred, there's no ideals to uphold, and Deadpool sincerely gives no shit about anything but what Deadpool wants.

[@R1ckr011]

Well One Punch Man actually employs very serious undertones and takes the corruption of the Hero Industry as its central dilemma--something that mere strength can do nothing to solve. It will evolve into something different.

[@MrLeemurman]

But the problem is Deadpool isn't "subverting", it's only "mocking". Subversion isn't the same as being meta or self-referential. For example, at 6:20 as the video says, Jane basically says, "hey, I'm a damsel in distress". It sets up the trope but doesn't do anything about it, it's just the movie putting up self-recognition as clever. If it was subversive, she would follow it up by kicking all the goons' asses, because that's not what we'd expect from a damsel in distress. OPM is the same way. For example, when Mumen Rider, despite the odds, gets up to face the Sea King with the crowd cheering him on and the music being hopeful, the anime is setting us up to think he's gonna somehow pull through and win, but is subverted when he gets rekt. This is further subverted when Saitama just comes in without any grand intro and just kills the Sea King in one punch. However, this is not the same as Deadpool. Deadpool doesn't do anything new or subversive with its tropes, it's just self-aware and makes fun of it.

[@Daniel-yv6jh]

Spurdo Dan the things you said about deadpool made me think about Rick and Morty

[@chandranr9564]

in a way, Bojack Horseman does it, I guess, doesn't it?

[@Scott_McKewl]

That clickbait thumbnail is totally in character, Well done.

[@WisecrackEDU]

+Scott McKewl Cheers!

[@sandralangevin307]

+wheel barrow if your gonna do that, do it somewhere else, there's no reason to say say that in youtube, unless your telling wisecrack to kill themselfs, then screw you 😁

[@michaelrichter9427]

"yourself" "too"

[@michaelrichter9427]

I think you've lost your way to 4chan. It's over there… →

[@CosmicErrata]

SONG NAME AT 7:59!?!?!?!??!?!?!!?

[@SteampunkCentral]

I don't think people realize that Deadpool is actually insane. All that fourth wall breaking and awareness is all in his head. Which is why you can get away with having Deadpool in the same universe as with The Avengers and X-Men. Notice how in the film, he doesn't start breaking the fourth wall until after he was experimented on. Every time Deadpool makes a joke, we are actually laughing at a guy who has lost his marbles. It's like laughing at a suicidal schizophrenic. So when you really think about it, Deadpool is actually a very tragic character.

[@georgerose1252]

The comic version goes much, much further with the tragic component of Deadpool's character. I'd suggest looking up some of them, as quite often he's at his best when he's suffering like hell.

[@JohnJones-gl1jl]

In the Deadpool video game, Wade's internal monologue takes maybe two seconds to ask "Are we REALLY gonna do the tragedy behind the comedy thing?" And then proceeds to disregard the tragedy altogether and get on with the laughs. I think most people want laughs and nothing more

[@cristianl1516]

no it's a joke about how his character is basically the sad clown.

[@coolmasterx5707]

someone just took intro to psychology and thinks they know everything

[@cristianl1516]

Coolmaster X someone just decided to be a condescending asshole , and thinks they know other people.

[@TheAmazingBoogeyMan]

I found myself thinking "damn, can't people just enjoy a movie?" and then I remembered that I asked for this, I clicked the link, I started the video. Well played, sir. Also, MatPat sent me.

[@FilmmakerIQ]

Thought provoking piece. I really loved Deadpool but I think maybe we're giving it a little too much weight in the course of cultural events. There has been a serious mood in comic book films - the genre was ripe for a little bit of levity. Certainly Deadpool wouldn't have done as well if it came out right before the first Avengers movie, but after Batman V. Superman, it was a good reminder that this was all suppose to be fun. Another point to make is this may have more to do with genre fatigue than culture itself. Horror franchises are quite known for this: They started with serious Dracula and Frankenstein movies and eventually made their way to Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein. The 2000s saw a rise of Zombies and we ended up with Zombieland and Shaun of the Dead. Perhaps these types of "referential" films that require an "awareness" of the genre and tropes of filmmaking are more prevalent today but that may also because as a culture we consume so much more media than ever before.

[@ManuYoCom]

This comment was deeper than the entire video

[@GaZum22]

That makes sense, also Deadpool makes these types of jokes not only to appeal to the audience but when it comes to any universe he does it to cope with his miserable life, Deadpool is a very suicidal person and a very depressed person whether it's in the comics or it's in the movies, as you can see he loses a lot of stuff and has to learn to deal with it in the first movie and in the second movie, but just to help the cope with all of that he makes a bunch of jokes about things and he sets people out a lot in the first movie and in the beginning of the second movie. I know not a lot of people know that but that's really how it goes. But yeah I agree I always saw a Scream as the kind of Deadpool version of horror movies, the Golden age of horror movies such as Dracula the mummy Frankenstein ect. We're taking to be very seriously much like older superhero movies like Batman 1989 the older Superman movies, but it was around the late 1980s and early 1990s whenever the slasher genre started dying and people like Freddy and Jason and Michael Myers were becoming very comical, especially when it came to the child's play series. Scream was made in 1996 to not only kill the slasher genre for good but also poke fun at it while it was going down but ironically it got so popular that it rather right to the slasher genre and films like Halloween H2O and stuff like that had not only been somewhat influenced by those movies but also continued on because of that. I know many satirical movies came before Deadpool what if you think about it movies like Shazam and both of those movies with Harley Quinn in them definitely are trying to carry on the torch of what Deadpool is doing. So even though this video says that Deadpool isn't really doing anything fresh or interesting that is true but at the same time what the character is doing in the movie is pretty enjoyable for the audience and future movies will definitely take a part of what Deadpool is doing birds of prey is a pretty good example.

[@danielw832]

Deadpool is Bugs Bunny for today's adults.

[@romankov3682]

Sort of, at least those cartoons pioneered a genre of animation and did a lot while lampooning old turn of the century film.

[@danschmo7413]

mind blown

[@edwardolobo]

YOU WIN.

[@DAMIENDMILLS]

damn...never thought that

[@InterpidgamerZamaan]

+DAMIEN MILLS same

[@elroyscout]

When I watched the temple of doom, I saw that smile directed at the swordsmen, a bit of humor at his realization that what he thought was a non-threat was actually now going to cut him up.

[@EmmettMcMullan]

I laughed, I giggled, I might have even gaped or sobbed a little. I can't remember, but I enjoyed it. Does art exist for its meaning, or for the experience it creates?

[@michaelbrown3727]

Art needs no meaning, both definitely and in practice. It is about experience, which can be swayed by meaning of course.

[@montannahvtva4752]

Wut

[@ShadowACE1998]

Andy Warhol once said, "Art is anything you can get away with." So if anyone found meaning or a worthwhile experience, no matter how deep or superficial, then the film makers got away with it. Is it art? Yes. Of course this is my own humble opinion. An opinion that matters about as much as any opinion, not much at all. But I do go by an even older adage about art. "I don't know much about art, but I know what I like." I liked Deadpool, so fuck it.

[@samaxamen]

Yes.

[@Moxie9]

The meaning of art is the experience it creates. The experience of art is the meaning it creates.

[@zzzbatmand]

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[@hak1111111]

*Subscriber

[@laura-xy9cm]

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[@vicount3944]

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[@DutchBrony]

This viewer is also brought to you by MatPat

[@CM50Tube]

Same

[@ruussell3923]

I love how when you scroll down into the comments of a wisecrack video, all of the comments are, like, 3 paragraphs long, at least, and are worth reading, rather than the throw-away comments you see practically everywhere else, kind of like this comment!

[@ezakgodofpower3461]

Dirashi Lol Kind of like this comment.

[@ruussell3923]

My life has no meaning, end me.

[@sasogonzales8979]

Max Brennan I love it when no one tries to quote the Big Lebowski and everyone wants to speak their minds. “Fuck it dude, let’s go bowling”- Walter aka John Goodman

[@Remlap1223]

Deadpool is how you properly subvert tired cliches. It calls attention to everything not because the writers feel like they are the most clever shit ever because they referenced a tired cliche, but they actually deconstruct it. They intentionally invert and play with the tropes of the movie, and don't just do a shout out. The entire time I was watching this, I was getting a serious case of deja-vu. Then it hit me, one of the channels I subscribed to did the exact same deconstruction, only this was with the entire medium of anime instead of western film. Anime has the exact same problem as Hollywood; instead of doing something new and interesting with the medium, they just make lazy nods to tropes. Teal Deer, you're not fucking clever because you called attention to tired, overused cliches, and then used the exact same tired, overused cliches, we're sick of it, and we want something new.

[@Darkwind26]

I want to see the video about the anime thing, please send me the link

[@saturdaysroadkill8699]

While I agree, this is the exact same comment +Green Raver (M u s i c) sent. like, what

[@azuthlu1587]

Same. Link to the anime one please

[@whodatboi2567]

True

[@Drace90]

Let's not forget that not every movie has to be a game changer (although we for some reason always demand it to be) and that clichés are a stylistic device. They should not neccessarily be avoided, just used intentionally to define the story. If we'd just avoid all kinds of story mechanics that can be recognized as a cliché, storytelling wouldn't be possible and no genre could ever form.

[@EposVox]

Good stuff. Sent via MattPat.

[@JohnSmith-cj3yh]

why do these videos educate me more than school?

[@JohnSmith-cj3yh]

+Dom Pedro II that too

[@Skelath]

Because school only teaches you a fraction of the world and only gives you the basics tools and a direction needed for your goal / career choice, there are many phd, diplomas, qualifications, and certificates you can only apply for in universities if you have the basic education from school, even in my country you cannot apply to join the army unless you have level 3 qualification in math. A school education wont get you a good career, just a dead end job with crap pay. When you're done with school the learning doesn't end it only just begins. In other words school just teaches you basics needed to learn and understand the real shit. E.g. without a proper school education you wouldn't even be able to understand this video.

[@ECL28E]

School teaches you how to work in factories and push paperwork.

[@stephen-ng]

No - school teaches you how to SJW

[@nukesrus2663]

No, school teaches you how to calculate the amount of calories in Big Smoke's order

[@Neuroticmancer]

I think all comedy exposes systems and structures for the ridiculous constructs they are. I think that's why comedy is so vital. Deadpool doesn't need to create something new because by its very presence it forces other super hero films to abandon these now exposed tropes and create something new, or at least it should. Cabin In The Woods on the other hand is a far more thematically rich and existentially biting film than Deadpool and please make it your next analysis. Cabin in the woods is a modern retelling of the Classic of the Minotaur and the maze that uses tropes of horror to make a biting inditement of our perverse enjoyment of teenagers being slaughtered (this is actually referenced in the film with a Minotaur being present in one of the other stations of sacrifice. Also, it's one of the only pieces of fiction to offer a meaningful response to the presence of Cosmic Lovecraftian Horror: triumphant nihilism.

[@Neuroticmancer]

Cabin in the woods is the reason I got into film criticism, got a job at empire and now make films and plan on studying at USC school of cinematic arts. Please make an analysis of it, its criminally underrated.

[@masterrance]

I honestly think they were looking deeper than they should in this movie. What you said is right but Deadpool if anything is a creative spoof movie/comic. His job is to point out tropes and not to be taken serious. Deadpool isn't really a character that tries new things but a character who puts his perspective on the things he does. And saying the movie follows cliches and not really creative would be like saying the same thing toward Airplanes, Spaceballs or any other parody films.

[@markolpark2220]

it's makes us laugh dude by using funny things that are serious like this video, doing really nothing, to achieve nothing except money and more money from our expendital minds

[@TheBigYC]

Not it doesn't, making fun of "cliches" doesn't make other people abandon them, people were aware of them before and like them or didn't care enough to stop watching, that's why they became "cliches" and keep having a place in the media.

[@Neuroticmancer]

TheBigYC I'm saying that's what it should do. I mean if you look at the films of the MCU they're not just 'super hero films' they're spy thrillers, heist movies and space operas. Audiences will not put up with these tropes once they've been exposed at a scale seen in deadpool. Ironically I think Deadpool is a key reason for Xmen Apocalypse's poor reception, as it didn't really try anything new or bold. It was just a superhero movie

[@Ireland264]

Interesting and well made points, (you probably won't see this comment or care much) but you got urself another new sub.

[@WisecrackEDU]

+Ireland264 Comment seen and much appreciated! Welcome to Wisecrack! :)

[@Ireland264]

XD Never been happier to be wrong. Thanks, I'll be back for more well made content.

[@gaminggamer563]

+Wisecrack you guys are awesome i love wisecrack so.much

[@HA-lh4vp]

Ireland264

[@xMaugrex]

Difference between hipsters and Deadpool: Everyone loves Deadpool, nobody likes hipsters.

[@syazaba5022]

Maugre i agree wif u on dat

[@darwinxavier3516]

Other difference. Hipsters are contrarians for the purpose of being contrarian. They don't actually like the things they claim to like, they're doing it to be different for attention. Deadpool is a contrarian simply by circumstance because his attitude and way of doing things are so radically different from conventional society.

[@nicolaiveliki1409]

I don't think he's actually contrarian. I think he "suffers" from imposter syndrome. Think about it: the only gig he could land after being dishonorably discharged from the special forces was as an assassin. He's done some really horrible shit in his pre-superhero days. He was chosen for Project X because he was a worthless person with advanced cancer. And when he does something really horrible for the "right" reasons, people call him a hero, which he absolutely hates, because he hasn't changed a bit or done anything differently, except for going crazy after the project that made him Deadpool. If he started calling himself a hero, he would feel like a hypocrite, and an imposter, because he'd know that sooner rather than later, he would revert to his immoral habits and methods. This is also why he hates Wolverine so much; Wolverine doesn't own up to who he really is, to Deadpool's mind, but tries to be a hero

[@shashanklal8]

What the fuck, i dont get any relation between and hippy

[@judeannethecandorchannel2153]

@@darwinxavier3516 Maugre and Nicolai I don't think Deadpool represents hipster media because, whereas hipsters tend to be smug and self-satisfied, Deadpool is equally self-effacing. This is what I call post-hip. Also Ryan Reynolds age range is the age where those who were once hipsters, if they don't conform, become kinder and self-effacingly post-hip...

[@LuisMedina1]

I think Deadpool achieves something subreptitiously brilliant and earnest with its over the top meta postmodernism. The character, much like the movie, is trapped inside its own mental collecion of pop culture references. He sees himself as the immature violent asshole who makes jokes and doesn't deserve anything serious. Hence why Wade doesn't simply talk to Vanessa about his deformity: Deadpool seems to not care about anything because he thinks himself incapable of properly handling responsibilities. So when he suspects that his actions might affect a person he truly cares about, his solution is to stay away, reasoning that no one is better with him in their lives. The "cliché love-revenge" story is the only actual thing that lends his life meaning: he puts himself in a storyline that calls for a traditional hero, knowing full well that he doesn't deserve the happy ending --he doesn't know how anyone could love him or expect anything from him besides jokes and violence. He only steps in because his love for Vanessa is the only real feeling he knows, she's the only person he's truly attached to, and no traditional hero will save her, so he'll have to do. I actually deeply related to that story, of this immature sarcastic loner who feels himself incapable of normal nice things, and gets his one chance at love ruined by a fucking evil asshole. I'm sure others might have, too.

[@christophershafer5401]

Deadpool has way more depth as a character than people think.

[@porcupine-hugger3552]

Hey, Christopher Shafer, if what you're saying is true (and which, for what it's worth, I agree with) THEN...Hipsters must have way more depth than people think too. Now, in keeping with the tone of the film, I am compelled to defuse ANY meaning, depth, or sincerity that I had in my last sentence, and add, "People, it seems that our Baristas - just like Porcupines - probably want HUGS too... "

[@DrTssha]

This is a truly insightful post and it deserves *way* more likes than it's gotten to date.

[@captainfantastic7643]

Nailed it

[@aidendon4127]

To massacre Nietzsche: The only cure for the man of self-contempt is the love of an intelligent woman.

[@RogueVideoRaven]

Am I the only one who thinks that Wade and Vanessa actually love each other?

[@captainsassy6966]

Yeah, just because there's a lot of sex doesn't mean it's any less of a relationship, I found it really touching at points

[@Her_Sisko]

+Captain Sassy 69 like a jigsaw puzzle

[@tomcummings3471]

Nope, shit was realer than most romance

[@Kinos141]

How do you think relationship last?

[@michaelbrown3727]

It's like Romeo and Juliet. No really. They don't, and that's clear. Just like Romeo doesn't actually love Juliet. It's merely lust. Lust does not only imply sex mind you, mainly one's own desires, hence the term "I lust for". The thing is much like Wade and Vanessa, Romeo and Juliet weren't given time to develop love and instead got lust and mistook it for love. Wisecrack even pointed this out at one point saying it was only lust.

[@celestialangel666]

I think what we liked about it - and about Deadpool in general - is that he might be for 'fuck it', but he does 'care' about people in his own way, not just in the comics but also in the movie. he's indestructable, his girlfriend isn't...but he also knows she can save herself. He even kinda took attention away from one of the other 'inmates' by goading on Francis. also Negasonic Teenage Warhead probably did some of the best work and also had the best costume, so I don't care if she's bargain bin, worth it!

[@4a696e]

i like to think deadpool is the austin powers of super hero movies

[@AlvaroCTV]

That actually does make sense.

[@brandongonzalez6277]

I think he's the Kickass of Marvel

[@alearnedman]

He's the Bugs Bunny of Marvel.

[@andrewdenneno653]

I like to think metaphors are stupid and inaccurate

[@2brosand1up64]

+Andrew Denneno i like to think about ass and tits.

[@8milesnake]

Well Deadpool did offer something new, it did offer a completely satirical fun superhero movie with the only quest in the movie is the quest to be hot again.

[@gori11afingers]

Did you watch the whole video?

[@Magunnnny]

absolutely not

[@soxfan773]

I think you totally missed the point 8mile

[@8milesnake]

The guy states that Deadpool offered nothing new, and that it's apologizing for its lack of qualities. But the movie certainly does have something new to offer to the table and has hilarious comedy, sticks to the origins of the character and is a really fun movie. It's not self referential and meta because it's apologizing, it's meta because that's the point of Deadpool.

[@soxfan773]

+8milesnake yeah but it adds nothing new to the superhero genre or action movies in general. It sticks to old tropes and makes fun of them and satarizes it while not going out of that boundary. The story itself is paper thin and has nothing new to offer.

[@TheKersey475]

There is no more new booze anymore, all we can do is customize the bottles.

[@MRCKify]

It's so easy to drink booze and be amused by the bottles, maybe even scratch that part of your soul that needs conflict by arguing over the best bottles. Than some people argue that there are too many people drinking booze, and distribution has to change as to shrink booze supply and booze drinkers. Some people argue we need more people to create the brainpower that will get us off booze, way off in the future. Some people say humans have been drinking rotgut rum through prehistory, only now are we working towards beer for the masses and recognizing that the masses are the masses. Some people say it's good to work toward beer, maybe even clean water, but let's have a culture tempered toward rum. Some people say let other's drink rum and suffer the consequences. Some people laugh "hahahaha, drinking. Whatevs."

[@TheKersey475]

MRCKify I lost track of the analogy 7 boozes ago.

[@MRCKify]

Let's get another round then

[@tobito2013]

I don't drink but I would've love to give you guys more booze just to continue this conversation.

[@TheKersey475]

As a man of the world I'll have a White Russian, a Cuba Libre, and an Irish Car Bomb :P

[@famsu5654]

I liked the deadpool movie, but I would have prefered they kept wade's two other personalities, constantly commenting on all the stuff that's happening for an even greater fourth-wall breaking. Yes, it didn't have enough fourth-wall breaking for me.

[@djinn218]

To much would perhaps have made it weird for the people that didnt have any earlier knowledge of the movies, even though I want that as well.

[@user-mb9nm7bq5e]

i agree, probably also smart to make him not insane like in the comic books. i mean if someone like deadpool from the comics really existed you would not like it at all.

[@nathanielnelson9468]

+Barbara Santos WE DO EXIST. dont you mean wade exist. NO WE DO TO SINCE WERE IN HIS HEAD. Both of you just shut the fuck up and fuck it.

[@nathanielnelson9468]

+Barbara Santos was pretending 2 b wade. oh that last thing you said a jock from school said the same thing. so ty 😄

[@user-mb9nm7bq5e]

Nathaniel Nelson yeaah, im actually sorry i even said that (it was the cat, although thats not an excuse or makes sense). but sorry, these shootings arent a joke and saying someone looks like one is a dick move. sorry :(

[@Qazmaxier]

So the humanity is like a game where you finished the history mode, showed credits and now enabled the freemode.

[@rehmsmeyer]

Soo...life?

[@ShinjiHirako777]

One perspective could say that. Some would say that the world is still in history mode, but people thought they could create a better story while seeing the history mode as freemode, and play freemode while history mode continues.

[@markolpark2220]

LIFE IS A VIDEO GAME

[@nathanielnelson9468]

+Mark Olpark no ITS THE MATRIX

[@Mixinnitup]

THE PEOPLE IN POWER LOVE TO LIE TO US! MY HEROES ARE HUMAN AND SOME OF THEM ARE WORSE! I MIGHT NOT GET THE GIRL NO MATTER WHAT I DO! PEOPLE SUFFER GOOD PEOPLE SUFFER AND DIE AND NO ONE CARES! EVERYONE I KNOW AND LOVE IS GONNA DIE AND SO AM I!!!! Wonder if I left the stove on....I didn't :)

[@SharpiestheGreat]

Alright, this comment got out of hand, so apologies for the novel that follows this. (And yes, MatPat sent me here, obligatory Film Theory shoutout.) Here's my two cents that gradually turned into $20: Yes, postmodernism and counterculture and hipsters are the same thing, and what is new media if all new media is simply referencing and riding the wave of the old media that came before it, and how do we gauge which self-referential humour is funny and which isn't and what's the difference between them, but I think it all comes down to two simple questions: 1) Is the referential humour punching up, or punching down? and 2) Does the reference fit with the current zeitgeist? Deadpool manages, with regard to the first question, to straddle the line between the two while still mostly being the former, i.e. punching up. I think Deadpool's popularity came a lot from the sheer joy you could tell Ryan Reynolds felt from being able to finally make this film, and while this was still a major blockbuster which broke records and grossed a truly unreasonable amount of money for a studio owned by a company that is already rolling in consumer dollars, it was also very clearly a step out of the norm and a huge risk and something no one in corporate would have expected to do well. That made all the cynical references something that resonated with the audience, which answers my second question. The majority of the references in Deadpool fall into a few categories: comic book fourth wall break, comic book //movie// fourth wall break, social climate fourth wall break, and capitalism commentary. With each of these, considering Deadpool as a movie that took Ryan Reynolds 10 years to make, and one that Disney and Marvel Studios likely did not enjoy greenlighting, the self-reference comes from an outsider perspective //within// these film and TV bigwigs, which allows Deadpool to *wink wink, nudge nudge, commiseratory groooooaaaaan* with the audience in a believable and relatable manner. It wasn't the corporate executives trying to "get on the consumer's level" with outdated memes in advertisements, or some director leeching off the successful implement of some other technical rig in a different movie to make their own look just as impressive (*cough cough Doctor Strange leeching off Inception, cough*). It was the conceptual child of someone just as enthused about this movie as people who had been waiting to see it for years, which then allowed it to point at all the roadblocks it had hit along the way and say to the audience "people thought we couldn't make it, but we did, and wow what a big fuck you to those guys, huh?". Anyway, to further tl;dr what was already meant to be a tl;dr, Deadpool's humour still hits the mark, and it hit its mark better than any self-referential film has I think //ever//. Not even the very first Scary Movie managed this level of commiseration with the audience about the current state of the media and the social landscape while //still being objectively a good movie// in its own right. I, personally, think it's unfair to even put Deadpool on the same level as all that ham-fisted referencing out-of-touch executives think work on us as consumers. My only fear is that Deadpool will now lead to a new brand of self-referential comedy that will try to mimic it and //fail//.

[@wisemoon40]

First of all, Marvel doesn't own Deadpool. FOX owns Deadpool, along with the X-Men and the Fantastic Four. In fact, the conflict over those properties, with Marvel trying desperately to buy them back and FOX refusing to negotiate, is a huge deal in the comic fandom. So Disney and Marvel didn't have to greenlight it. FOX probably had the attitude "hey we're not giving them much money, so we won't lose much, and we might possibly make a lot." Low risk, potential for high reward (which paid off for them). The rest of your points seem valid. I think audience sympathy is a big part of the appeal of Deadpool in general.

[@SharpiestheGreat]

Thanks for the clarification! I forgot about Deadpool and Fantastic Four being part of FOX, and may have assumed that they all went along with the acquisition of Spider-Man for Civil War/Avengers 2 purposes. It being FOX probably does make a difference with the intents surrounding the ruling corporate bodies in finally greenlighting the movie, but I think that might make my point about "sticking it to the man/Disney with self-referential humour and cheeky asides about how bullshit the comic book movie industry is, etc." even more valid. Here's a character brought to life by a studio whose comic book franchises seem to UNIVERSALLY bomb, who has licence to point to the people who have created this divide and say "man, doesn't this kind of corporate greed and unnecessary staking of ownership suck for us as an audience?" to which the audience has cause to give a resounding "fucking right." And I do use "us" here intentionally, because I think in the process of promoting the movie, Ryan Reynolds made it exceptionally clear that he was as much an audience member excited for the release of Deadpool as anyone else. Anyway! A video with a lot of food for thought for me, at any rate. :)

[@GrandOperational]

Personally I wouldn't say that postmodernism and counterculture and hipsters are the same things. I would say that postmodernism is a counterculture, and so are hipsters. Countercultures are often ironic and postmodern, but postmodernism is a specific type of counterculture characterized by an obsession with rebelling against the past. Counterculture on it's own is simply a reaction against a culture; ie christian fundamentalism resurging against gay marriage. Of course in the past the christians were the culture to be countered, but now christian fundamentalism is it's own counterculture against a society which has moved beyond their older standards. Hipsters are often ironic, often postmodern, but there's also an unironic hipster type which spawns out of it and becomes its own culture. I personally don't see postmodernism as a problem, it's simply a surge of anti-culture which generally burns off, or turns into it's own cultures that celebrate whatever actual culture it creates while it rejects the norm. We just happen to be at a postmodern peak, which happens whenever cultural/societal reform, change or revolution occurs.

[@nicolaiveliki1409]

like Satanism

[@edwardcurtis1206]

Do "The Philosophy of Mr. Robot"!?

[@WisecrackEDU]

+Edward Curtis We're strongly considering it!

[@Myth666]

YES YES

[@brendanbrady1000]

Maybe wait 'til season two is over, it'll give you a lot more to work with. But PLEASE do it!

[@stalkholm5227]

There is at least one single chance that the second season won't live up to the first, I'd say do it now while Mr. Robot is still one of the best shows ever made.

[@brendanbrady1000]

Stalkholm Sam Esmail's directing the vast majority this season, he's already got the story planned out, from everything I've heard this second season is even darker than the first though that might just be marketing. Everything points towards the second season being great. Still, skepticism is necessary.

[@thisisdk7859]

I disagree with the relationship being based on lust ( 8:51 ). There is a scene where he confesses he loves his partner (it would've ended there if that was the case), another scene has a line where he states that he contemplated why their great together, and so on. Lust is a stage in a romantic relationship and theirs genuinely looked liked it progressed past it.

[@Yoder023]

It IS the same recycled materials, but the wrapping is pretty. That's Deadpool. (The movie, not the character)

[@SOV724]

The character Deadpoool is like the writers of South Park and by that is that they just don't give of fuck I LOVE IT

[@UuGEARSuU]

no! South Park has valid criticisms and substance. This is a degeneration of modern culture!

[@SOV724]

+white-male-capitalist Perhaps I didn't articulate my comment let me explain: The writers of South Park provide a soical commentary, pointing out the flaws and hypocrisies in society and doing so in an unapologetic and edgy way that doesn't cater to a politically correct medium. The whole "I don't give a fux" thing is why I said that. Moreover Deadpool is just for shits and giggles.

[@Alex_gee_white]

+white-male-capitalist sometimes Southpark is both.

[@oneblood7411]

True to a degree. I believe this movie will be one of those unique instances where there will be many attempts to replicate with fairly harsh consequence. People already hate knockoffs as it is and The "Deadpool Crowd" is not very forgiving. So any attempt to make a movie similar to Deadpool better bring there A game because the knockoff comparison will come swiftly and potentially derail the film, especially if the narrative isn't well written. Don't believe me? Look at what happened to Batman V. Superman.

[@DyLeN17]

South Park offers social commentary through parody. A good thing about it is that it criticizes both the right winged political perspective and the left winged one. There is no social commentary in deadpool because rather than just doing a satire of a comic book film, it brings attention to all the tropes and passes itself as clever for noticing these yet still following the same cliches. That's why it hasn't put anything of value to film industry or to comic book films and the only thing that will cause is more movies like it (so expect more meta)

[@Belzediel]

I was curious how long it would take for the hipsters to find a way to hate a film build on the simple premise of being fun. Four months. Longer than expected.

[@UnsewnTeddyBear]

No doubt. All I can think of while listening to this guy drone on is the Robert Downey Jr. meme where he's rolling his eyes.

[@somed214]

I guess you'll have to keep searching, since nothing about this video indicates that anyone hates it.

[@anthonyhaats]

Yeah feels like they are some Hollywood rejects that could never pitch their idea to a group of executives.

[@somed214]

bleepbleep Sounds like yall are a bunch of whiny bitches who can't stand the idea of anybody actually thinking about the things you love with religious fervor.

[@LiveLXStudios]

Fundamentally. the anti-hipster mindset tends to be pretty hipster in its own right. So basically, why don't we all just go like Deadpool and say fuck it. Let people live how they live.

[@Giarcnek]

Ryan Reynolds sold Deadpool. 'We the sheeple' bought him and in no way; none whats so ever, nada, do we have buyers remorse.

[@sampredmore3328]

can you do the philosophy of bojack horseman next? It has so much that I onowbIm not picking up

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[@guitar3421]

dude did your fingers trip over themselves and fell in a cartoony way? Cause that's what it seems it happened xD

[@april3534]

YES!!! YES!

[@ghosface353]

It's funny that the Philosophy of Bojack horseman video was led me to this video.

[@lolmouf]

Well you have to ask what is the purpose of a movie? Deadpool did a damn good job at making me laugh and enjoy myself. Sure it is no Shawshank Redemption in terms of bringing some change to the game, but not every movie is meant to do that. I will also say, I think being an R rated comical superhero movie was a game changer.

[@SirGeeeO]

I wish I could tell you that Deadpool fought the good fight, and wisecrack let him be. I wish I could tell you that - but youtube is no fairy-tale world...

[@davidharshman7645]

It isn't like Deadpool was the first R-Rated comic book movie. Far from it. Kick-Ass, Sin City, Watchmen, Constantine, Punisher, Spawn, Judge Dredd, and more were all rated R. Some were even successful and/or enjoyable. So, I don't see how an R rating alone can be a game changer...

[@SirGeeeO]

David Harshman it's not JUST that it's rated R. It's rated r and it made more money than Man of Steel, all of the Xmen movies, and most of the solo marvel movies. It proved that there is a demand for R rated superhero movies

[@PaintedHoundie]

+SirGeeeO there's a demand, but will most likely not be met considering kids are still a large audience. Ideally most superhero movies should be rated R.

[@hihkable]

Kick ass was an r rated comical superhero movie. Watchmen was t rated. Blade was r rated. 300 was r rated. Lots of r rated comic book movies

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[@Greenpear4ever]

Deadpool(the movie) does pull off the irony and cynicism. That's the whole point of the movie, to make fun of the genre. Citing other movies that use the technique doesn't make the case that Deadpool or what it says is bad/not furthering art. 1. art needs to be introspective in a ridiculous way to encourage new movements or trends and 2. all of the other movies shown using the techniques Deadpool employed were used out of laziness. It allows the writers to stick with the same basic stuff and earns a cheap laugh. Possibly hollywood is doing this to make fun of its audience. "Look how stupid you guys are, not only watching the same movie year after year; but we're actively going to point that out and you'll still give us your money." I think Deadpool can be looked at in one of two ways: it is a well executed parody movie or it's being meta about being meta and over using the irony and cynicism to force hollywood to reinvent the superhero movie

[@DarrenSemotiuk]

Sure, maybe, but you can't include Cabin In The Woods in that list! Nor can you include "Scream" -- when it first came out it was pretty standout it was certainly not just one of many.

[@guyincognegro99]

what are the instrumentals in the background?

[@Nickle_King]

What makes Deadpool different than just another Scary Movie or 21 Jump Street or every other movie people don't really care about and just go to see for mindlessness, I feel, is a willing and wholehearted unapologetic nature. Which is somewhat easier to do with a character that can break the fourth wall. Deadpool isn't a hero. He isn't an antihero. He's just a selfish douche who can do incredible things. Colossus isn't just a wide eyed dreamer. He's a person with those beliefs which others might find naive. Not wrong or misguided. Just hopeful. And that's what the XMen try to be. Even the villain, though not complexed, is delightfully NOT COMPLEXED. He's the equivalent of a mutant arms dealer. Money's all he cares about for gains. No world domination. No giant monologues about grand plans. Just one dry 'this is what's going to happen' intro and done. Everyone embodies who they are, while still embodying the trope they're satirizing. Still believing in what they want, while not being paper thin.

[@kaleb749]

I disagree. Deadpool was clearly written with alot of love and passion, and the entire thing is a cynical look at comic book movies rather than a comic book movie ocassionaly pointing out its own absurdity for a laugh here and there. It's essentially comparing a satire to a politician joking that they're personally hypocritical.

[@kjazz828]

i know its not intentional, but it sounds like he's saying "donkey hotay"

[@quiteludicrous5532]

That is how it is pronounced. Evidently so.

[@brancosousa87]

+TheGalacticNerd It's actually pronounced 'donkey-shot' Trust me I'm from the country the book was made :)

[@quiteludicrous5532]

MINDFRA3K13 'Twas a joke. And that does not seem very logical.

[@VashdaCrash]

That's what I thought, it's more like "donkey hoteh", I think.

[@marctelfer6159]

Interestingly enough, during the 16th and 17th Centuries, the time of Don Quixote being written, the or of Early Modern Spanish were pronounced, in most instances, in a similar manner to English , so Don Quixote would have been pronounced, roughly, "donkey-shot-eh" :P

[@frankdelgrosso8297]

Does it bring anything new? Well that depends on how you define new. Virtually everything we create is spawned from earlier devices and is simply some form of refinement from them. Truly new things emerge infrequently and as such are an awfully high bar to set. I feel Deadpool was unique enough to set it far apart from most of what is currently being released. If we were to view originality as a spectrum rather than a it simply is or is not original I would say it ranks much more highly than most films of the past 2 decades. If we rank it purely in it is or is not groundbreaking I suppose one could safely say it is not, but by extension we would also have to say the massive majority of films we see are all not groundbreaking or original.

[@frankdelgrosso8297]

I would like to add I feel the film did highlight the value of incorporating “fuck it” into your life. Buddhists have promoted this for centuries. Does the movie deliver this value effectively, perhaps not? But it was absurd enough to our sensibilities to at least get us to contemplate it, if only for a short while.

[@geofff.3343]

Hmm... a fundamental underestimation of an Eastern (ie non-mainstream) philosophy) that sounds like a really hipster thing to say. Buddhism holds several things in importance. Classically those are introspection into the self, non-violence, and ultimately letting go of the ego to achieve true enlightenment. Don't confuse the Buddhist belief of not fearing to lose material possessions with no caring or saying fuck it. It's not. Buddhists care for the world around them, they try to instill wisdom and ease the suffering around them.

[@TheKenttt]

Deadpool is probably one of the best movies I've ever seen.

[@drogoscg1]

But isn't this video criticism a movie hipster's criticism of hipsterism in the Deadpool movie to begin with? Will Wisecrack hang itself in derision of its own work then?

[@cptnraptor]

Movie hipster criticism of hipsterism in a cynical, critical hipster movie... it has a certain poetry to it.

[@therealjezzyc6209]

the criticism of ones hipster criticism of the hipsterism in Deadpool leads to a cynical being of hipstering criticism mainly used by the hipstering culture. This criticism is blind to its own hypocrisism of hipstering criticism and criticizes the hipsterism of criticism. I just broke my brain writing that.

[@LiveLXStudios]

Fundamentally. the anti-hipster mindset tends to be pretty hipster in its own right. So basically, why don't we all just go like Deadpool and say fuck it. Let people live how they live.

[@mattd5240]

Good lord, i cant tell if that was genius or absolute lunacy.

[@ashenbreese]

dude, seriously? read a book, a comic book that is. wade hates life and wants to die. that is why thanos *curses* him with literal immortality, and why their mutual love interest, mistress death, is totally bat shit in love with dp. and yet, through his many trials and tribulations, wade comes to discover a great deal about himself, gaining a wealth of perspective about his own life and life itself. in facing off against thanos, who is trying to kill eternity, which is to say all of existence and life itself, dp says: "i'm crazy. i'm unpredictable. i'm erratic. i'm a contradiction. i'm a predator and i'm prey. i am life itself." sure, dp may resemble many other literary elements and characters, but what dp has become is one of the most original, creative, and even inspiring characters in modern comics, if not fiction as a whole. it feels like this is a critique purely of the movie, and on that level, perhaps it is fair, but let's remember that this is a movie adaptation of a wealth of comic stories, and a single origin story at at that. you do great work in your videos, but on this one it seems you have sold the overall concept of the deadpool story line and character short. dp began as a complete ripoff that was so poorly received that it was very nearly cancelled for good, and only then, when the fuck it factor finally kicked in, did the creativity and originality of throwing the book out the window come with it. what has come since is, perhaps, the single most original and well received comic book series of all time. if the decade plus attempt at this movie that got declined over and over again, but only finally popped due to the 'leaked' footage blowing up the internet isn't proof of that, i don't know what could be. sorry for the long post, but dp deserves it, and a great deal more. in wrapping this up, be careful, dp tracked down and killed his own writers, so i'm sure he might find himself bored and cynical enough to lookup some bad online reviewers as well. lol ;)

[@bowenchen6359]

ashenbreese but hey that’s just the comics. This is an entirely new work

[@bluesteel1389]

ashenbreese They were criticizing the film not Deadpool in comics

[@skyepaul261]

In its philosophy of not taking anything seriously I think Deadpool also offers a really accurate picture of the way people deal with trauma with humor. For example, the uncle/uncles molestation joke between wade and Vanessa is the type of inside joke lots of people with trauma tell each other - while other people may find it morbid we find the hilarity and empowerment at laughing at the bs, taking control of our perspective of the situation and changing it from serious to a joke. Even his ability to live through anything gives him that do-not-care attitude a lot of people dealing with suicidal thoughts also get.

[@UPposition]

I grew up to think cynicism and irony are desired qualities and must therefore be bred and cultured in any self-respecting academic

[@UPposition]

well, not in a shallow hypsterian sence, but in a reflective one

[@ashleyhyatt6319]

Well put, as always! Side note: I've found myself rewatching MST3K for nostalgic purposes, and you've made me wonder how it fits into this philosophy. Anyone?

[@OrbitalOvertones2012]

The very last beat uses a drum loop from Athe DAW "Propellerhead Reason". Its a loop in the Dr (now 'OctaRex) Rex drum looper. Just a fun fact. I heard the drum loop and instantly recognized it

[@prathameshkale9011]

do stranger things philosophy

[@MRCKify]

They kind of did; was any new meaning broken by Stranger Things? Maybe only for those who hadn't seen ET.....

[@averylashuay7086]

Thank Matt

[@roloug95]

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[@Skribduex]

I disagree with people's view on the romance in Deadpool as just lust. Was she a hooker, yes. Do they have a bunch of crazy sex, sure. But past that there really isn't much else to make that statement. In the film they live and get to know one another over at least a year, she cares and is there for him when he gets his diagnosis, she seems to have changed her profession for him, and having had crazy experimental sex I can say that takes a level of trust. I'd argue that the relationship in Deadpool has more merit than most films about what seem like total strangers fighting for "love". Just because she isn't a fair maiden and he isn't a knight in shining armor, doesn't mean their devotion is any less real. You know, for a movie that is.

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[@loganstrong5426]

I think the difference between a lot of the less-successful postmodernist examples you used and Deadpool is the direct breaking of the fourth wall. When Deadpool mocks certain tropes, it doesn't feel like the movie apologizing, but instead is showing you "we don't hate them, we love to make fun of them," which is generally true. What I don't like about the "get it, because you saw the other movie" that IS the MCU at this point is that it feels like it's just a two hour trailer for other movies instead of letting the story stand of its own accord.

[@ozzie519]

Who came here because of Matpat

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[@ozzie519]

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[@raptorjesus8635]

I would like to see pieces of media stop making fun of overused cliches and begin to stop using them all together or change them in a way that doesn't make everything feel so predictable.

[@StephySon]

Easier said then done from a financial and film standpoint. It's easy to say stop doing this or that but then u risk taking a plunge into something audiences will not want to see or won't see at all. And unfortunately in Hollywood money is the name of the game, why risk a potential cinematic masterpiece when obligatory 4th sequel will take in millions and millions of dollars guaranteed. It's sucks I know but I understand the point of it

[@MrGamelover23]

StephySon You come up with something new then. Literally in all of history everything is recycled, superheroes are just our version of Greek gods, for instance.

[@StephySon]

Tech Freak Again easier said the done. Look I agree with you I want something new and original but it doesn't just come and pop out of nowhere and even when it does silly audiences won't wait it, thats why the term cult classic is still a thing

[@HxH2011DRA]

personally I see no issue. Everything humans as they are now that could be said has been said. Might as well just say it in the best most entertaining way you can

[@AhsimNreiziev]

+theCourier One of the ways that old, broken systems change is by satirists pointing out the flaws, making the general public aware of the problem and therefore forcing the people who are stuck in their ways and make the decisions to stick to those ways to try something new. This is true both in movies or other media, and in society at large. Satire, in short, is a tool *towards* getting rid of overused cliches, not something that moves us *away* from it.

[@ynir]

Perhaps In the movies deadpool could be considered schizophrenic (also in the comics so idk) or something like that, as we don’t know how he has the ability to break the 4th wall. but in the comics, Loki is the one that tells deadpool about him being a fictional character and everything else as in the universes, all of reality is also fictional… he does this so he can manipulate deadpool on killing Thor… this is why the Idgaf personality comes into play… plus the ability of not being able to be killed amplifies this immensely… for instance if another character that can die at anytime and was told the same information it would most likely act without care but with precaution, due to the fear of death... in other words you can call deadpool a nihilistic/absurdist mixed with the ability of not being able to die makes him the ultimate IDGAF and somehow he makes it work, as in he has charisma by being his ultimate self… which imo is a pretty cool concept.

[@hunterqrose2583]

Am I the only person to catch the 1988 Fright Night 2 Reference in the 2:50 mark? Good one Wisecrack!

[@theknightjester]

There is so much more to this character than what is just presented here. It seems the majority of the points were drawn from mainstream impressions of Deadpool. I highly recommend that anyone who wants an in depth perspective of the merc with the mouth venture into the comics.

[@vincent7603]

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Yup so was I

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[@selinnazsur2328]

Movies/comics/characters like Deadpool may not create something new, but they taught me a shit ton of new things that I wasn't interested in learning before them. They make TvTropes so much more fun!

[@FDJustin]

Is satire an attempt to change the system, or is it merely a way to show your appreciation of the system?

[@Bean_Soup]

It's neither. it's an attempt to challenge the system into thinking of new ways.

[@CamiloFHSC]

The question is whether Deadpool is satire, or parody. And I believe it's the former. It's not trying to criticize the superhero movies, it's just poking fun at them. without really make a point about the genre, which is what it would do if it was a satire.

[@darwinxavier3516]

@Camilo Wouldn't that be the latter not the former?

[@AStarInAndromeda]

@@Bean_Soup it's not challenging the system, is making fun of it without changing it.

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[@ChuckBible]

What makes deadpool so amazing, is the fact that someone finally took a comic book, and slapped it on film. the way the character looks, acts, and speaks is all exactly how it is on the page. Even with amazing movies like iron man, that didn't happen. rdj shaped tony stark into a compelling character. Deadpool was fun because of the cynicism, but it was amazing to see an actual comic book movie.

[@NickOwens]

I love Deadpool because he doesn't take anything seriously, and I love the movie because it also doesn't take anything seriously, and embraces it's cliches. We live in a world that constantly asks for something new in superhero movies, yet once we actually get something new (the DCEU), we disregard it, even mock it, because it's *too* different that what we're used to (the MCU), and they call them "dumpsterfires" simply because they weren't critically received well because they weren't the same thing. This is why I love Deadpool, he gives us the same thing, yet pokes fun at it. It's also why I loved Batman v Superman, because, while it does take itself seriously, it gave me something new, and something new to look forward to in the future DCEU.

[@harishbhaiparmar5316]

Same bro, I hate melodrama

[@MultiSciGeek]

Can you do: The Philosophy/Psychology of Sherlock Holmes and Moriarty?

[@Super165i]

Highest grossing R-rated movie, until the Joker movie was released in 2019

[@tellmesomething2412]

Joker didn't surpass it by much in the box office. Also... Not everyone was a fan. Some (Including myself) believe it was a great study for a fictional character dealing with schizophrenia, but not for "Joker" himself. In fact, many critics boosted its sales more than the word of mouth from fans. (There's rants here on KZbin to find out why.) If I'm wrong than I believe Deadpool's overall sales wouldn't be far greater than. Unfortunately, it is far greater.

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[@racewiththefalcons1]

I think the real problem with movies like this is the fact that people just want to be in on the joke. They don't give a flying shit about storytelling anymore. As long as they can talk about it with their friends who also like it and laugh at the same attempts at humor, mission accomplished as far as they're concerned. And that's sad.

[@MRZENLOPEZ]

well said

[@LuisManuelLealDias]

IOW, hipsterism. And by deadpool standards, it's a childish sort of hipsterism.

[@chandranr9564]

It's great that you guys did a video describing that pure mockery doesn't adds up any value. It would also be great if you guys do a video about subverting the tropes and also what qualifies it to be one and what makes it great and how does it adds up value to our social standards

[@isaacreiner1623]

Personally, I think a sense of something new is the appeal of anime. It can do whatever it damn well pleases, and there will always be someone to watch it.

[@android19willpwn]

+Coleton Wayne yeah, but at least some of them are different from Western media.

[@NazaMusicProductions]

You say they can, but they can't. If an anime is anything short of fan service or action packed or in other words marketable, don't expect more than a season or two of it since they likely will only appeal to a niche audience. It's a shame I know but unless people suddenly stop wanting their sub par ecchi, One Piece, Naruto, Fairy Tail or Bleach type anime and stop buying their merchandise, don't expect to see much more Redline quality or any sort of genre of anime that doesn't involve fantasy, slice of life or fan service.

[@randomguy6679]

im sorry how many godlike characters are there in anime?

[@isaacreiner1623]

randomguy6679 Dude, I'm not here for a flamewar.

[@SniperInTheTower]

You have a sickle and hammer as a picture and are talking about anime in KZbin comments. You're here to stir something up.

[@Pulowski]

ROYAL HIGH THEORIST MATTHEW PATTUS HATH SENT ME

[@giggidygiggidy8220]

aah yes Ruben Huerta duke of Nottingshire. I have heard only stories about you. Please come in, his highness awaits you in the dining hall

[@porcupine-hugger3552]

HUZZAH!!

[@scornbass1552]

Doth anybody liketh Deadpool in a greater measure than the other Marvel personalities.

[@grimfable9976]

You and I said Dan Quixote at the same time. I haven't finished the video yet, but I see where this is going and I love you for it.

[@XPosseiusX]

!!!! HEY YOU !!!!! MattPat sent you didn't he ?

[@boredmonkeyproductions1015]

Yup yup. Hahaha

[@microwave9679]

The most persuasive thumbnail I have ever seen.

[@VixeyTeh]

In an over the top brightly coloured and stylized world, the character is just jarringly honest. The struggle to hang on to the reality while drowning in simulacrum is why the audience just holds on to Wade's character for dear life and goes along on his rollercoaster. Just like a rollercoaster, it is thrilling, exciting and fun and that is the entire reason for going on it. You just get exactly what you want and pay for, a rush of pure...adulterated fun.

[@BenisBoy14]

i disagree. deconstruction of something can lead to something entirely new. using the edgy and overpowered anime main character trope and deconstructing it by making the character extreamly flawed or overly overpowered. (the second one isn't that old yet but i already know 3 anime that use that deconstructed formula: Hero Acedemia, One Punch Man and Mob Spycho 100) i would even say that deconstruction is the best way for anything to move forward.

[@oktopussy9628]

MLG_YourMom I agree with you if you just see a joke in a system then you wont replicate it.

[@tagkoz5254]

Yeah, I don't think it's fair to say the other movies (with nods to the audience, lampshade-hanging, etc.) are really even doing the same thing that Deadpool does. If *wisecrack* wants to see something new in superhero/action genres, then I think Deadpool can help direct such change via deconstruction. tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Reconstruction

[@anonymouse6532]

Mat pat sent me

[@RokaSoka]

THIS is why since every conceivable story has been told, we should just enjoy HOW well something is made rather than how many times we have seen the premise or characterizations, etc.

[@TheTheawesomeguy35]

At least Deadpool wasn't used to set up anything

[@ADragonNerd]

well they have confirmed a Sequel is coming out for the movie, so in that sense they did use Deadpool to set up something. Hell, Weasel himself says (After Wade says what his Anti Hero name will be) "That sounds like the name of a fuckin' franchise!"

[@MatheusLB2009]

+AEspurr Gaming only the post vredit scene was a set up. the movie itself wasnt. but i dont think having a set up in a movie is a bad think

[@ADragonNerd]

Matheus Lacerda me either, plus the confirmed sequel is gonna have Cable in it, what's not to love?

[@TheTheawesomeguy35]

AEspurr Gaming exactly

[@MatheusLB2009]

whats the problem with having a set up?

[@BarrettBlatter]

I don't understand why media has to have a deeper context. Why can't movies just be entertaining without some moral to the story.

[@killa1711]

quentin tarentino movies rarely have any moral to them

[@magicalgirl4]

Thank you.

[@Durrutitv]

What I feel makes Deadpool work so well as a film, besides Ryan Reynolds amazingly enjoyable performance, is it's existence in time at the pinnacle of the Superhero genre bubble. We're inundated year in and out with superhero films where the fate of humanity hangs in the balance. Deadpool points at it and shouts, "look at how ridiculous this has become." It may be cynical, but it's hard not to be cynical at the state of Hollywood blockbuster film making. And while it doesn't do anything grandiose with the genre, it knows exactly how the genre is best expressed, a fun filled popcorn flick.

[@mightytaco123]

Hey Lucas gave up Star Wars because they didn't give Him that much creative freedom. If you watched that interview he sad there's a narrow formula of how you're supposed to make movies. That's exactly why the new Star Wars was the exact same of when Luke destroyed the death star

[@mightytaco123]

In my opinion I hated the new Star Wars. I only liked 2 scenes from that movie >_>

[@zachk3702]

Lucas himself encouraged the prequels to "rhyme."

[@ahikernamedgq]

Wouldn't all this make Deadpool a self aware Nihilist comic?

[@GuyWithAnAmazingHat]

Well in Deadpool Kills the Marvel Universe, he went full psychopathic nihilist and killed everything once he fully understood what it means to be in a comic. He realised that the entire universe's existence is meaningless and at the whims of comic book writers and readers, so he went ahead and killed everyone, even the writers themselves. He then went even further back and killed classic literature and everything that inspired comics like Don Quixote only to be stopped by Sherlock and was eventually killed by the canon 616 Deadpool. Which means it was canon that Deadpool killed a completely evil nihilist version of himself that tried to destroy all of literature.

[@angrybrony]

i wounder if there's some sort of message in that?

[@GuyWithAnAmazingHat]

Deadpool figured out that if there are "gods", writers who are controlling their lives, there is no free will and no meaning in existence.

[@ahikernamedgq]

Which is Nihlism, I think.

[@angrybrony]

GuyWithAnAmazingHat no, i meant 616 DP killing his nihilist evil self.

[@EratoTiaTuatha]

Thing is, the Deadpool movie is a making up gift and a celebration for longtime fans of the original (pre-2006) comics. It worked as a commercial success because it's real damn enjoyable and the story has some depth to it still, just enough to entice newbs. But, for a longtime fan of the first volume of Deadpool comics (labeled vol2, aka Kelly's Deadpool) it feels thoroughly like a celebration of that material, one that isn't literal and skimps on the most heart-wrenching bits but in a way that doesn't reek of neglect. It feels like sitting down with a bunch of other fans and having a discussion about a comic we all deeply love, mostly driven by "my fave bit was when..."s and "oh do you remember"s. A sort of "greatest hits" if you will, but one born of mutual understanding that we all know the original story intimately rather than a "tl;dr" one. It doesn't summarize the story for people who haven't read it, it goes over the highlights and celebrates the best bits with longtime fans. Its accessibility to the wide audience is a happy accident, really. Or rather, a testament to the fact that if you make a movie adaptation with love and care for the source material, it's going to hold its own. Thus, if you want to talk about the philosophy of the movie you should look at the comic, and the values within. And those are pretty damn deep, actually. Joe Kelly did something amazing with this character back in the day and gave us a unique story that uses the main character's atypical sytuation (to put it mildly) to explore some very interesting recesses of the human mind. That being said, your points make a lot of sense in the context of why the movie got popular. Having followed its development closely though, I cannot agree that those are what was running through the creators' minds when making it.

[@TheythinkimNinja]

Don Quixote? NO... NOT JOKER

[@trevonw67]

lmao! I thought I was da only one who thought that

[@JohnSmith-op3qj]

Doflamingo!!

[@amadoudiallo8557]

Mingo!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@agidyne9676]

Hey you!? Yeah, You! Did Mat send you from Film Theory? Well, he sent me too! :)

[@Koubles]

nope sorry

[@vanimal613]

Possibly...

[@TalhaMansoor]

yup

[@IamJoppe02]

yep

[@trptguy23]

yep

[@Randsurfer]

First I watched your Philosophy of South Park which I thought was very good. Then I watched this. You really overthought a fun movie.

[@adama.7735]

Anyone who says that any sort of trend "is a danger to society" needs to shut up.

[@AhsimNreiziev]

+Adam Abuelheiga PREACH! And I generally hate that word, especially when it's written in all-CAPS, so just imagine how strongly I agree with this sentiment to have written that.

[@OberonTheGoat]

your butt is a danger to society.

[@DarrenSemotiuk]

Tell that to Mark Hamill's body double.

[@caspianhorlick4529]

So you think that anyone who says an incredibly racist and persecuting trend is a danger to society should shut up? I'm sorry, you don't believe in freedom, justice and equality, the biggest ideals of the human race?

[@AhsimNreiziev]

Lord of Keks There are probably things that are, indeed, a danger to society. The problem, however, lies in the fact that those who claim that things _"are a danger to society"_ tend to be -- and by an *OVERWHELMING* majority at that -- of the racist, persecuting or otherwise restrictive type, rather than of the supporters of true freedom, justice and / or equality type. Wisecrack is no different. They seek to deface or, assuming they are stupid enough to think it could actually happen (and that is not too big an assumption given the evidence), even eradicating both satire and hipsterdom by claiming they _"are a danger to Western Society as a whole"_. As such, they exhibit more a major prejudice towards hipster culture, rather than them fighting to include people from *all* walks of life _[which would of course include hipsters]_, like you _[and me very, very much also]_ thankfully seem to advocate. As for _Deadpool_, they claim that it is immoral, while it should be obvious to *anyone* that true satire can only be born from being fed up with the current state of events and wanting to do something about it -- the very *definition* of a moral stance. But by calling the film "immoral" when it clearly isn't, the people at Wisecrack hope to create a sense in their audience that there are good _[meaning: approved by __Wisecrack__, of course]_ and bad _[meaning: detested by __Wisecrack__, as they are obviously the _*_true_*_ keepers of morality in the world....]_ ways to tackle problems such as the staleness of triple-A entertainment. Going against it directly is "good", making fun of it is "bad". All the while, of course, Wisecrack is limiting the creative freedom of filmmakers _[by claiming some creative choices are "bad" or "a danger to society", in case you were wondering]_, coincidentally exactly the thing they are accusing Hollywood of. Funny, that.

[@cameronjs222]

If it's not broken don't fix it. Most people hold this, or a similar, sentiment. I know I'm more guilty of this than most. I don't care how decrepit my shoes become. As long as they keep my feet dry, I'll keep wearing them. This logic is exactly why deadpool, and the self deprecating meta humor, is important. Because the more cliché move tropes get made fun of the less they will be used. For example, think of the scene in deadpool where he points out the super hero landing. You could look at it as a way to use some movie cliché and apologize for it with humor. But I think it's simply pointing or the absurdity of it. So that, the next time people see some super hero do it, the audience doesn't initially think it looks cool. Instead, they think it looks funny. When they see the super hero getting ready they can't help but hear "super hero landing, she's going to do a super hero landing." The more people who start thinking that, the less it will happen.

[@bryandwyer2204]

5:13 Is that Wildcat's outro?!

[@ryanvuyyuru3622]

please do gone girl, probs my second fav fincher film, i would love it if u guys would talk aobout it

[@ronnickels5193]

They already did the book.

[@ryanvuyyuru3622]

+Ron Nickels ah I see they have, in that case do schindlers list that would be incredible

[@everope]

Substance is not a requirement for entertainment. Deadpool is just fucking entertaining!

[@lilsous09]

Substance is not a requirement for entertainment, but should it?

[@tincano-beans2114]

but people loved deadpool because of its substance, that being jokes at the expense of meta tropes

[@UuGEARSuU]

for unconscious people

[@ItCameFromTheSkyBeLo]

But it is a requirement for value.

[@someonebackslashevry]

yes, yes it is worth it to give deadpool this much love

[@Verrisin]

Deadpool is the first, amazing, step. ^^ (to a change) - I'm not saying we should stagnate at cynicism, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't include and enjoy it. ^^

[@heyllo1337]

you fail to realize that deadpool has been breaking the fourth wall for fun since he was created, furthermore its marvel copying DC copying marvel, which is why it was made the way it was made. don't confuse it for the sane old shit or hipsterism. deadpool is the light at the bottom of the abyss, and if they follow the comics the guy that beat thanos after he gets the infinity gauntlet.