Wish Pitch Meeting

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Despite celebrating 100 years of existence, Disney has had kind of a rough year, with several flops like The Marvels, Indiana Jones, and a lot of stuff on Disney+. Can Wish, the movie billed as a Disney celebration break the losing streak? No, no it cannot.
Wish definitely raises some questions. Like is the King really that evil to not grant every wish? Why is he even taking all their wishes? What’s the purpose of that talking goat anyway? How much of this movie’s budget did they think they’d make back on Star merch?
To answer all these questions, check out the pitch meeting that led to Wish!
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[@kingofgamesandanime1683]

I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought “a lot of these wishes won’t be granted, if every wish was granted it would be chaos” sounded entirely reasonable.

[@TheScarletSlayer]

Ah but he's evil because..................look, the main characters a diverse chick and she's going up against a man. It doesn't matter who's actually right or wrong so long as he loses by the end. Hollywood in a nutshell

[@Vlad-rf3tu]

The plot of WW84 :sigh:

[@frankspeakmore7104]

A couple of other reviewers also pointed out there is a film called "Bruce Almighty", where a person plays God for one day, and the problems caused by granting every bodies wish.

[@vahlak6554]

@@frankspeakmore7104 I especially loved how everyone won the lottery and got like a dollar out of it.

[@najmussaqib7055]

Bruce Almighty showed it perfectly.

[@johnpett1955]

This movie is less of a celebration of what Disney has done, and more of a tragedy of what it has become.

[@struttux5156]

Walt would literally turn down all of Disney if he saw the current state of his creation

[@mallios13]

You win the Most Poignant Post of this Comment Thread Award.

[@mallios13]

@@struttux5156No, he'd fix it. The man was a master micromanager.

[@struttux5156]

@@mallios13 At a certain point a broken vase is just broken and your skill in repairing things won't matter

[@johnpett1955]

@@struttux5156 to a master craftsman, kintsugi can make any sort of broken pottery into something much more beautiful.

[@cellulanus]

The fact that modern Hollywood keeps making villains that are more reasonable then the hero's really says something about the people who control Hollywood.

[@MilkHound]

@@user-ef5ug6jx5n Jews aren't the problem. It's a mind virus called Wokeism with branches like D.E.I. and third wave feminism.

[@whitetiana3022]

jewish people, *cough cough* jewish people.

[@elmaster27428]

Killmonger 101

[@geraltrivia6148]

@@elmaster27428 Killmonger's a great example and T'Challa ended up doing pretty much what Killmonger wanted anyway, so there really should have been some kind of negotiation there. Loki was (Initially) just trying to postpone a self centered moron from becoming king. Zemo was trying to hold superheroes and world leaders accountable for their misdeeds. Vulture was trying to save his business from Stark's monopoly. The MCU's got quite a few villains who made good points.

[@timothyaigbe3830]

Lol

[@wbwbc89]

Just to add to the other comments dissecting plot holes, Asha is so quick to assume he's evil, like, what if he only grants one wish a month because it takes so much power to grant a wish that he can only *do* one a month? She has no way of knowing that it doesn't

[@annamelvina216]

Or they spent the month investigating what could be the unintended consequences of a wish. Like to make sure they won't have a monkey's paw type situation. That would make a lot of sense.

[@kingetzel2755]

It's because that's how the people making these films see the world. There's no consideration of context. No need to attempt for a more developed, nuanced understanding of the world. "At first glance I personally don't like _______ so ________ is inherently evil."

[@ravenebony2267]

^^^ And just like that, in 4 comments, more thought was put into the plot than the writing staff did the whole movie.

[@Norvik_-ug3ge]

@@ravenebony2267 To be fair, the whole movie was a rush job.

[@zweipinguine]

And i mean he was still granting wishes lol. It's not like he wouldn't fulfill anyones wishes after taking them

[@Nickle_King]

I love that this movie’s conflict is literally “HOW DARE YOU!” Everyone’s comfortable and happy, but screw you for not giving them everything ever.”

[@Raximus3000]

Like a selfish child who cannot stand the word "no," this is a movie that favour this behaviour.

[@EmperorSeth]

Eh, that's not really the case in the movie. The real problem isn't that the king isn't granting all the wishes, but that those who don't have their wishes granted have the central motivation of their life gone, and thus unable to even achieve it without magic. People are comfortable, but everyone in the movie who doesn't have their wish granted is basically depressed, going through the motions in life. Mind you, this doesn't help with the "why doesn't anyone write their wishes down or tell anyone what their wish is" question, but you can attribute a lot of that to magic and/or the people being pretty naive and buying wholly into the system. It's not a GREAT movie, far from it, but the "the bad guy was right" argument doesn't really apply here.

[@jfurycat]

but they know that they're going to forget and not everyone's wishes are granted and they still gave him their wishes willingly! I also think they can be able to live happily as they have been living fine for years@@EmperorSeth

[@es83stevenson88]

​@@EmperorSeththat is a terrible take. The king did not force anyone to do anything and did all the work for them . Anyone could just say no or leave. The people chose to give him the wish.

[@JohnEusebioToronto]

The idea of taking away their memory of the wish and making it impossible for people to work towards those wishes themselves is a very interesting idea. Shame the movie didn't realize it was interesting.

[@mariokarter13]

I don't know what's scarier, that Wish was written by AI or that it wasn't.

[@Raximus3000]

That someone read the script and said it was okay.

[@HMNCLunar]

​@@Raximus3000They really thought it would mean money.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@HMNCLunar💯💯

[@michael95621]

the prompt was "give me an origin story for every piece of classical Disney content while also having magic and incorporating themes from that content".

[@gear1726]

the ai probably would have done a better job

[@chelscara]

Still can’t get over Dreamworks decimating Disney with Puss in Boots in terms of wish themed movies.

[@ProfessorChaos56]

Jack Horner is exhibit A for why not everyone's wish should be granted.

[@Tikibird79]

​@@ProfessorChaos56​ not to mention how they gave one of the villains a sympathetic wish but still challenged it. Their way of discussing wishes makes Disney's message look extremely immature at best.

[@ProfessorChaos56]

@@Tikibird79 Exactly, Goldie getting her wish would be bad for the people (or rather bears) who love her.

[@Tikibird79]

@@ProfessorChaos56 Idk about being "bad" for them per se, but definitely inconsiderate of the fact they became her "real" family.

[@ProfessorChaos56]

@@Tikibird79 If Goldie gets her wish, they lose someone they love. I'd call that bad for them.

[@Grizzy98639]

This genuinley could have been a movie with a solid message about wishing for things doesnt mean they'll happen and how hard work and good choices get you further in life, but they just said "nah, money."

[@webbedshadow2601]

Dude, Ryan should make " Nah, money" a new catchphrase haha

[@solanelukoperse5815]

I swear Asha told something like this in the trailers ; that if the wishes can't be granted, they should return to the owner, so instead of forgetting what's missing, they can keep working themselves for its realisation or craft another goal with the previous one in mind. Isn't it the whole why forgetting wishes is tragic and not returning them is wrong stated in the movie ? (I don't think I'll watch it, crafting fanfictions around it feels better)

[@TheImapotato]

More like "Nah, THE MESSAGE" we must brainwash children to see truth are lies, war is peace

[@x340x]

the biggest problem is they even didnt get that. thay dont realize that the more money grabbing you make the movie the less money it will make because people can see right through that these days and also it results in bad storytelling = bad reviews = less tickets sold = less money

[@carnotaurus_hex]

I believe the film you are thinking of is Snow White. They aren't going to bother making another masterpiece.

[@Jonathan_Collins]

Oddly, this movie seems to ironically showcase how Disney has changed over 100 years from a cutting-edge studio into a corporate sweat-shop, milking its legacy and image for $$.

[@YHWHthe1]

Perfection

[@Random-wo2sw]

I saw your comment on penguin0 new video today :>

[@notme222]

I don't know, it sounds like this is more original than they've been in a while. Not great, but better than when Disney inevitably remakes this exact same script into a live action remake in about 2 months.

[@ThoughtsAreReal]

They really didn't fall far from the Walt Disney tree.

[@1313skr]

Hey shut up and so we're just gonna keep making more crap, and making money...

[@Burgertimee]

“Are we sure the Queen isn’t evil?” Imagine how good of a plot twist that would be!

[@Raximus3000]

The main character is evil!

[@MrObscureinsanity]

Ya literally just turn her into the evil queen from snow white. She already has a magic mirror 😊

[@mattyt1961]

The real plot twist is that she is banishes the mirror to Far Far Away

[@akl2k7]

Originally they were BOTH supposed to be evil, but they decided against that... for some reason.

[@Lightsephiroth]

​@@akl2k7I can imagine why

[@4tdaz]

This man is single handedly preventing me from having to watch...just...so many movies. You are a gentleman and a scholar.

[@ruffusgoodman4137]

By proxy, impacting Disney's box office. No wonder he got 2 jobs, both screenwriter AND executive boss

[@solanelukoperse5815]

Keeping in mind they're distording some plot points for comical reasons. Asha states herself wishes shouldn't be granted if they're dangerous and such.

[@Bustermachine]

@@solanelukoperse5815 Yeah, this is becoming an alarming problem on KZbin. People don't seem to understand that you can make fun of something that's actually inoffensive or harmless. It's just a matter of assuming the right tone or leading your audience with the right joke. Anything can be criticized because nothing is perfect. Wish seems to be an okay-ish movie. Nothing utterly inspiring. But not as ill thought out as people seem to be slapping themselves on the back and congratulating themselves for. Oh, but Ryan is fine and continues to be a gem. The fact that people don't get what satire is, and that he isn't offering a review, isn't his fault.

[@johnbradbury8610]

@@solanelukoperse5815 Yeah which is exactly what the king said.

[@solanelukoperse5815]

@@johnbradbury8610 Yeah, like a mom telling her kid to not go outside because he might get kidnapped. They do both (Magnifico and Asha) realize "granting all wishes even the paradoxes and dangerous ones" isn't bright, too bad corporates sucked the passion out of this movie.

[@1Metalshadow]

Wonderfully said! I would also add that during the song "At All Costs" Magnifico is giving each wish around him attention, showing no favoritism and expressing a genuine desire to protect them, where as Asha very quickly ignores all the other wishes when she finds her grandfather's and focuses solely on it. Magnifico wants to protect, Asha wants to receive. It may not be "her" wish, but she's still more focused on it being her grandfather's wish than it being a good wish. Also, why does Asha just assume that her grandfather is incapable of inspiring people without his "wish" being granted? Seems pretty clear that he inspired her for the entire movie.

[@solanelukoperse5815]

Is it the wishes he wants to protect, or the symbol of his power over the villagers they represent ?

[@austinreed7343]

@@solanelukoperse5815 That’s what they want you to think, but given Disney’s nature people don’t want to give this movie any credit.

[@TheImapotato]

@@solanelukoperse5815 Well, one can never say that Disney's bat crap crazy surface level philosophies that are counter productive are easily found by everyone. You took their MESSAGE hook, line and sinker.

[@solanelukoperse5815]

@@TheImapotato Dude, we're discussing a movie detail and its possible interpretations, I'm not sure what's your point.

[@TheImapotato]

@@solanelukoperse5815 I know you don't, which solidifies my point...

[@jason10184]

It's funny how Disney tries so hard lately to make sympathetic villains out of irredeemable characters, but make this villain out as pure evil even when he has a good point

[@roristevens2810]

Well, Disney fans said they wanted a pure evil villain again...

[@Nothingtoseehere-eo7zq]

@@roristevens2810I mean how evil can you be when you run a successful kingdom with seemingly no crime or poverty

[@edosiookeoghene2955]

@@Nothingtoseehere-eo7zqand grant wishes. Wish my president did that.

[@ChurchofCthulhu]

He’s an old white man, so of course he’s pure evil. This is modern Disney we’re talking about.

[@lookingforlove839]

​@@Nothingtoseehere-eo7zqRemember Bruce Almighty? He just simply said yes to everyone's wish and it was total carnage.

[@GoDawgs-nh1kp]

Are you really telling me that the main conflict of the movie is “The King is not granting every single persons wish?” What if two wishes contradict. What if they’re evil wishes? What if they wish for nobody else’s wishes to be granted? How did they not think of this

[@muskyoxes]

Didn't watch it, but sounds to me like the issue is "We want our hundred thousand wishes granted." "No, only 90,000 of them are decent and non-contradictory, so i'm granting 12."

[@raydunakin]

As Writer Guy would say, "Hey shut up..."

[@Vaquix000]

This is something a small child would understand, this "movie" is an insult.

[@Djorgal]

@@muskyoxesYeah, but he's still granting 12. He could be granting none. He doesn't have to grant wishes.

[@muskyoxes]

@@Djorgal If granting them costs nothing, that's a dick move

[@team10leader1]

SPOILERS: I think one of the movie's biggest sins is, it doesn't let us know WHAT Asha's mother's wish was. So when Magnifico destroys it, it doesn't leave an emotional impact because we never know if the wish was something personal or precious. Like, did she wish she could see her late husband once more? Does she want her daughter to be safe? Is it to remember her late mother's face after so many years? For all we know, it was something petty, like having her favorite snack. Without context, there's no high stakes in losing that one wish.

[@Trewq79]

Plot twist: Her wish was for her wish to get destroyed. So did Magnifico destroy it, or grant it?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[@KingOfMumbles485...]

It was something about her daughter being happy...kind of a waste of a wish.

[@shykorustotora]

What you've just done is perfectly outline the difference between some random Joe who puts words on paper, and a proper writer who understands how to tell a story. Unfortunately Hollywood is populated almost entirely of Joes

[@lulucalliope713]

Plot twist: her wish really was to have her favorite snack again because they stopped making it when she was a teenager and she never forgot the taste. Fuck it, am I right?

[@jinhunterslay1638]

Maybe her wish is just a new vacuum cleaner or a sandwich ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@BurgundyMermaid]

I haven’t seen WISH, but when Ryan said that the grandfather’s wish was to inspire people, the first thought that popped into my head was “Inspire whom to do what?” If I were Magnifico, there’s no way I would grant a wish so vague. I would need many, many more details before I even considered it. Meanwhile, there’s a huge difference between wishes and goals. My father’s wish, for example, has always been to go to Hawaii. He’s wanted it ever since he was a child, but he’s in his sixties and it’s unfortunately never happened. His goals, on the other hand, have been to work hard and provide for our family. If Magnifico took people’s goals and made my father forget he had to provide for our family, that would actually cause problems. But taking people’s wishes and making my father forget he’s always wanted to go to Hawaii wouldn’t really have any negative impact at all. If anything, it would probably free my father of his disappointment over having never been.

[@leonardohidalgo5127]

The worst thing about the movie is that just before that scene there is a wish from someone who wants to be a great conqueror and it is highlighted as dangerous. Additionally, Magnifico, when he says that he is not going to fulfill the grandfather's wish, explains that it is very vague and that makes it potentially risky to fulfill it. The same movie tops off its flaws by having the supposed villain explain to you the bad idea of ​​doing something without thinking about the consequences. Other curiosities of the movie is that people even if they forget their desires, continue doing the things they like and are passionate about that are generally related to their desires, for example, the one who wants to have her clothing store was already a skilled seamstress and dressmaker before fulfilling it the desire. Implied that many have already fulfilled their wishes on their own without having knowledge of this, having the added bonus of being fulfilled by magic if they are considered meritorious and good. Magnifico becomes evil because out of fear of the protagonist he gets involved with evil magic that corrupts him, and his fear is well consolidated because it is explained that he comes from a kingdom destroyed by war and that made him paranoid. A justified paranoia when this selfish teenager embarks on fulfill any desire that comes across, including the desire of those who want to conquer countries that were shown to us moments before.

[@SuddenReal]

@@leonardohidalgo5127 I read a theory from someone a while back that the reason why Magnifico becomes evil might have something to do with Asha's wish. We never hear what it is, but if it's "I want people to see how evil he is" that might turn him evil (and pretty much showcases why he's reluctant to grant just any wish).

[@HimekoIzayoi]

I wish for your dad to be able to go to Hawaii someday :)

[@NomadicIndo]

Well explained. This movie doesn’t really make sense when it comes to that.

[@eyliena]

Not everyone's wishes have the same weight. Something as simple as wanting to go to Hawaii is not everyone's wish. What about people who wish they could find the cure to cancer? Just because you know someone who's wish is to go to Hawaii, that means other people's wishes can't be grander?

[@geardog24]

“Being straight up evil is tight!” Disney 100 years later

[@perskarva123]

TIGHT TIGHT TIGHT!

[@jamesogden7756]

Disney has always had some subversive antifamily messages in their movies. They've abandoned subversive for the more in your face attacks on family values and the typical family audience has responded as it should: rejection.

[@troubadour723]

@@jamesogden7756 Ooh, regurgitating right-wing talking points is TIGHT!

[@johird9990]

​@jamesogden7756 holding on to outdated and flawed beliefs just because that's what you where taught is TIGHT

[@TheMattTrakker]

@@troubadour723 But not as tight as projecting.

[@SwordFighterDoggo]

You forgot to say that while Magnifico's taking people's wishes, he gives them a peaceful kingdom where everyone lives a happy life. Also, he never forced anyone to join his kingdom and to give him their wishes and all of his efforts seemed to serve the goal of creating a kingdom where everyone is happy, including not granting the wishes that could harm ppeople of the kingdom Truly, a despicable villain we can never understand

[@joimumu]

It’s funny how 90% of people (me included) sided with the ‘villain’ of that movie

[@Norvik_-ug3ge]

You don't join or not join a kingdom. Someone else becomes King and you either live in their realm and are a subject or you don't live there. But otherwise you are correct, dude looks like a nice fairytale King as those go.

[@Alex-mh5mu]

@@joimumu Make it 99%, the movie flopped this bad because people sided with him (as they should, he is right after all)

[@thunderhorse689]

Yeah, Wish 2 will be the girl in charge of an impoverished kingdom where everyone is forced to rely on her to meet their very basic needs, but nobody will be prosperous or happy. The Disney communist dream!

[@WolfRamAndHart]

It sounds like Magnifico's plan was more like a "lottery" of wishes coming true. Which is reasonable if you think about it. Kind of like, a lottery jackpot. Granting everyone's wishes, willy-nilly, would be utter chaos.

[@rickytickytimbo9182]

Wonder Woman 1984: "People only make selfish wishes and no one's wishes should be granted" Wish: "People never make selfish wishes and everyone's wishes should be granted"

[@HeartoftheWinter]

And Bruce Almighty handled it better than both 20 years ago.

[@solanelukoperse5815]

So yeah, Asha knows that. I don't know why people act like she didn't explicitly stated it in the trailers, (something like "if a wish is bad it shouldn't be granted, but if it's not dangerous etc.") it's not like it's the only thing we can complain about in this movie.

[@margarethmichelina5146]

And coincidentally, Chris Pine is on both of that movies

[@andreashort310]

@@margarethmichelina5146 AND he's the best part of both movies.

[@calebcorrea7556]

I feel like Wonder Woman 1984 was a lot better of a movie then people gave it credit.

[@Meyna86]

I had a pair of free tickets so I took my 7 year old daughter to this movie and even she was like "so they beat him by singing a song?" I've never been prouder of her for noticing the bullshit.

[@Justan669]

If this were Disney 50 years ago- the moral of the story would be “ be careful what you wish for “ and the king would help her grow and guide her into a wise leader. Instead they give him a fate worse than death despite being an overwhelming good leader

[@eclipsehorse8693]

of course, this is modern day Disney- the white man has to be made to suffer, and ghurl boss has to win at any cost, and put him in his place...

[@givensurname1296]

Morals?! Have you *seen* the world today? 😢

[@Tortilla.Reform]

Let’s be honest, if this were years ago, walts message would be to beware the jews and blacks. Rose colored glasses when looking back helps no one, part of the reason the “make America great again” catchphrase is so ridiculous. Great *again* for who? It’s historically only been “great” for certain people (Watch how many people get triggered by something that doesn’t fit their predetermined narrative below hahaha)

[@givensurname1296]

@@Tortilla.Reform - Uuuuuuuggggghhhhhh 😮‍💨

[@Ao-vj9pz]

I was thinking of the moral 'you make your own wish happen'. Something like you should put effort in making your wish a reality. But yeah overthrowing a supposedly evil wish granting king is okay... meh

[@FlorianD30]

The King sounds like a totally nice guy. Granting 12 wishes a year is a pretty great thing to do compared to let's say...ruling with an iron fist and killing everyone who opposes him even a little. His subjects sound like a bunch of entitled pricks. "He doesn't grant all our wishes all the time, let's banish him into a mirror for the rest of eternity."

[@islasullivan3463]

Yeah I think the only messed up part of it is that once they give him their wishes they completely forget what they wished for.

[@frankspeakmore7104]

A couple of other reviewers also pointed out there is a film called "Bruce Almighty", where a person plays God for one day, and the problems caused by granting every bodies wish.

[@GippyHappy]

And he even lets them forget their wishes! So they can't possibly be disappointed cause they literally don't know what they're missing!

[@ryohoshi8445]

@@islasullivan3463 I think it's probably better, but it really would need to be part of the mechanisms involved--and possibly even show it to occasionally be beneficial. (Maybe have somebody getting the chance to see what their wish is--maybe if you ask politely, you can?--and just going "...can you please drop this down a well?" You don't have to show just what was the wish they now think is absolutely messed up, just...they don't want it.)

[@user-zz3ii8xy3v]

Not to mention he doesn't seem to taxate his people

[@vullord666]

*The Disney checklist:* ✅ Song every five seconds hoping one is the next let it go. ✅ Cute animals or creatures or otherwise mascots that can be sold to children. ✅ Trying and giving up halfway to make a complex villian that'd honestly be better off as cartoonishly evil. An ending that basically means nothing. ✅ Forgettable background characters who are only there to prop up a slightly less forgettable main character. ✅ Random references to other Disney IP that make negative sense.

[@RicoTonetti]

You release that kids still like the movie right?

[@danpmss]

@@RicoTonetti I mean, kids for the most part barely developed any critical thinking in the target audience's demographic. Them liking doesn't change much, and there's better entertainment in cinemas for kids that the parents should be taking them to otherwise.

[@trashpanda4]

​@@RicoTonetti kids like 5 min crafts too.

[@____Carnage____]

@@RicoTonetti that’s not a good excuse

[@RicoTonetti]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@danpmss 1. Sorry but disneys main audience is kids, so I think that them liking does change things. 2. I would believe that “better” cinema is subjective 3. I dont see how “barely developed” matters, point is childerens entertainment should be focused on childeren I agree with you though that this movies sometimes doesnt have a well written story, great character development and too many dialog that make the characters sound like robots. But for childeren, they dont care so much.

[@skaughtsman]

I truly hope they make a sequel to Wish, about the dystopian disastrous situation that comes with granting everyone's wishes--and the nightmare unleashed when a young, immature girl is given that power when they've imprisoned the men who speak out for moderation and reason.

[@PanSpaceman]

Obviously you couldn't pick apart every single flaw but you missed my favorite one: the Queen telling Magnifico to absolutely not mess with the Evil Book because its Evil Influence will make him Evil, but then later on when she needs to read through the Evil Book to see if any Evil Advice can Evil Reverse the king's Evilness she's like "oh and by the way I have this magic hand cream that stops you from getting Evil by touching the Evil Book :)" that she just out of nowhere knows about and has and didn't bring up or provide any time sooner.

[@carlosperalta1714]

Holy ish 😂

[@ClockworkOuroborous]

Oh, that's why the humans are on Pandora and after the unobtanium! It's the secret ingredient in that hand cream! Now it all makes sense.

[@blackjackjester]

Ok but why keep the evil book around at all? Why not just get rid of it.

[@carlosperalta1714]

@@blackjackjester and if unable to remove it, why not give hand cream to her husband?

[@OrigamiShinigami]

​@@blackjackjesterbecause it's funnier that way.

[@L337M4573RK]

What still baffles me is how Asha (without any prior knowledge of how wishes or magic works) went to be interviewed by the King for a position as his apprentice, but immediately accuses him of "stealing wishes" (when said wishes were clearly and willingly given to him) when her undeserved request gets denied due to the King's knowledge, wisdom, and expertise on the matter? Asha is the villain here, and her spoiled, immature outburst and false accusations are what caused the King to turn to dark magic.

[@blackjackjester]

Is this an allegory for millennials entering the workforce? Sure feels like it.

[@Botsy]

Agreed

[@Botsy]

That was my husband's take, and he explained this to me.

[@IronDino]

I honestly think that this is a better take on the movie. That Asha was the villain all along, but she doesn't realize it, and it's her inadvertent actions that directly cause the King to become evil.

[@ian-flanagan]

I agree with you, except the King is responsible for his own actions; can’t blame Asha (I think?? Haven’t seen the movie!)

[@TheAnthonyMarlowe]

It’s genuinely so impressive that one man and a green screen, with a prop pieces of paper can be so entertaining and accurate. He’s seriously talented isn’t he?

[@aronhelios1734]

Absolutely

[@s1nnocense]

your perception is beyond sharp, only several million people figured that out already.

[@TheImapotato]

He is and he has this niche down tight, if I had a WISH, it would be that his creativity never drains.

[@TheAnthonyMarlowe]

@@s1nnocense Don't be mean to random people.

[@TheAnthonyMarlowe]

@@TheImapotato yup

[@chaosstatus]

1:14 “that’s a love song!” Imagine how interesting a dynamic it could be if Asha had a crush on the king, and was trying desperately to see everything about him as perfect, but her friends were the ones who discovered he was evil. The moral could’ve been something about how you should trust your long term friends over the whims of your heart. Plus, the crush would make an excuse for her to be really dedicated to becoming the king’s apprentice

[@eclipsehorse8693]

Typical Disney, the songs were written way before the script was, in the early days that is- they flipped the script and the concept for this movie a few times, but kept the songs. You just can't plug old songs like that into a new movie..

[@PosthumanHeresy]

I think you just made a movie metaphor concept out of what happens to child actors at Disney.

[@ked49]

So people didn’t watch the movie. The song was used to show how obsessed the king was towards the wishes. It was a love song. A song towards the wishes of

[@M0nlyfans]

@@ked49 Stop giving this company money, you sad little sheepy shill.

[@solanelukoperse5815]

Oh, yeah, that's Anna from Frozen.

[@ashebennett7726]

Fun fact: At All Costs WAS originally suppose to be a love song between Asha and a star boy. So yeah, the star was originally going to be a star boy who becomes Asha’s love interest and the king and queen were suppose to be an evil duo. It’s a shame because that would’ve been fun. But Disney is scared of love stories now and writing uniquely intimidating villains like Frollo.

[@scribbles1424]

Put a diverse chic in it and make her gay and lame. That's the Disney way. Imagine thinking you'd get boy/girl love story in 2023.

[@samblack5313]

I’m guessing there was a lot of internal anger over a female character and a star “boy” having love interests. Clearly the star would have been stalking her if it were a male.

[@ashebennett7726]

@@samblack5313 because you can’t have love stories without the toxic, stalkerish mindsets when so many healthy, beautiful relationships have been written.

[@samblack5313]

Not anymore. A male having interest in a female is antisocial behaviour.

[@justsomegirlwithoutamustache]

It striked me as way too intimate on the first hearing so I wasn't surprised to learn that it was actually meant to be a romantic song

[@TurdFPh.D]

What a perfect way to summarize 100 years of Disney. Taking anything remotely interesting and stripping away any nuance or fun until all that’s left is “product.”

[@Szokynyovics]

This comment sounds good, but absolutely not true, there are INCREDIBLE Disney Movies, such as Wreck-it Ralph, Atlantis, Treasure Planet, The Princess and the Frog... etc. etc. A Shitton of awesome Disney films. So yeah, people will mindlessly like your comment, and it is true to some movies, but there are brilliant movies made by Disney, so... Please. Think for yourself before liking a populist.

[@LyaksandraB]

@@Szokynyovics Speaking of thinking. Go read on Disney and copyright and all the other evil shit they've done throughout the years. Then, stop thinking they're good just because you like what they make.

[@Typheus]

@@Szokynyovics Why the fuck is it that almost every time I hear "think for yourself" it's from what many would call a "clever idiot"?

[@Gn3rd]

@@Szokynyovics You know what those movies have in common? They all came out a decade or more ago. The last five years in particular have been absolutely shameful for Disney. Their live-action remakes alone should tell you what their priorities are these days.

[@redactedandredactedaccesor7290]

OH NO MEGACORP IS EVIL AAAAAAAAAAA @@LyaksandraB

[@dragontamer9323]

Honestly, all we needed was Magnifico getting a redemption arc. He was clearly a good king before the movie started, albeit overly cautious about the wishes... and you could use Disney logic to say that the magic corrupted him (or maybe make the book the big-bad, like an evil spirit in the book that's slowly taking over him or something). Either that, or make him 100% full villain and have him stealing wish-power from the start of the movie so that we really unambiguously see that he's a bad character who is irredeemable. Magnifico in this movie was in this wishy-washy middle, where he's not quite likable enough to form the basis of a tragedy, but not quite hated enough to serve as a villain.

[@thechunkmaster8794]

You don’t even need him to be corrupted by dark magic. Having him be corrupted by his paranoia over granting the wrong wishes would be enough.

[@cathygrandstaff1957]

The kicker is the reason people come to this kingdom is they know they can’t get their wishes through working for them so they come to ask the king for their wish to be granted, and he lets them live there on condition they give him their impossible wish and maybe he grants it someday. So if they win the lottery they get something they could never have gotten, and if they lose they don’t remember the impossible wish that was making them miserable enough that they came to this kingdom in the first place. Meaning even if the king doesn’t grant their wish they are objectively better off than if they still remembered their wish.

[@thespeedyyoshi]

The whole “figuring it out mathematically” thing is by far the funniest part of this movie to me Like, the king makes it a public event which wishes he grants and yet Asha is like “so most of these wishes will never be granted?” Like it’s some sort of profound statement/discovery 😂😂

[@PhelesDragon]

That's what happens when you let AI write your script and don't edit it.

[@everynametaken]

Nah, AI would’ve done a better job aping Disney’s style.

[@andreashort310]

@@everynametaken No, it wouldn't. I used to use ChatGPT for beta-reading, proofreading, and editing, but for the last 6 months it's been getting dumber and dumber.

[@hittingyouoverthehead]

I started watching the movie and gave up right before this scene. Never felt better about a decision.

[@anonymousskunk]

Thank you Ryan for watching this movie so I didn't have to. I'm certain your 5 minute synopsis was far more entertaining than it would have been.

[@BanzaiHeil]

Honestly this is my approach to just about all movies nowadays. I haven't watched a single Marvel movie/show past Endgame and the Pitch Meetings are a huge part of why I don't feel like I've missed out on anything.

[@user-tt4jz3tm6t]

You're welcome, bud

[@DannyJoe08]

​@@user-tt4jz3tm6tbitch, ain't nobody talking to you

[@Arnyh0ld]

Relatable. :)

[@mamelukok]

also those outros XD

[@michaelwolf8690]

The more I think about this plot the more I think about the kind of wishes I would make when I was 18. I can't imagine any of those wishes ought to come true.

[@silverblade357]

Magnifico could have easily had some arc like, "Do you know what an unfulfilled wish does to people? You could have an ideal or happy life, but you'll always be hung up on that one thing missing. The bulk of these wishes are just people wanting to be famous, or wealthy, or prettier, or more talented, almost always motivated out of jealousy toward someone else or discontent with their lot in life. I take away that wanting and leave them with contentment, even happiness. You want your wish granted? Make sure it it's worthy; something you'd still be willing to chase even without my blessing. Now, make friends with the door." He only jumps to extremes about the dangers of vague wishes, but could have shared that wishes can come to represent regret and prevent one from living their life to the fullest. There could have even been some sweet moment like, "Your grandfather inspired you, did he not?"

[@thechunkmaster8794]

Yeah, the vague wishes bit doesn’t really work as an excuse for the king. He grants the wishes, so he can choose how they’re granted. He just has to grant them in a way that doesn’t cause problems (i.e. he grants a wish to inspire others via a hero moment as opposed to a bloody political revolution). Better yet, if the wish is too vague, why not send for the person who wished for it and *ask them for clarification?* Helping his citizens articulate their wants better would be exclusively beneficial.

[@Acezzeus]

I had the same point, the villain was basically curing people's depression in most cases with the wishes he was making them forget. Also possibly turning those people into better versions of themselves. These points really could have been better explored in the movie it just seemed like they were too lazy to do so. The whole evilness of the villain seemed so forced.

[@silverblade357]

@@thechunkmaster8794 He possesses the very essence of the wish though. I'd wager the implication is meant to be that the person themselves doesn't know or perhaps doesn't care. An easy example would be someone who only wants to become rich. You can imagine all the dark and evil ways one might accomplish this goal. You wouldn't want to put your power behind such a blind ambition. Likewise, the grandfather only wanted to inspire people or something, but the very essence of his wish didn't necessarily care how. Did he want to inspire people to be better or did he just want to be famous?

[@thechunkmaster8794]

@@silverblade357 Assuming that is true, you expect me to believe that Magnifico, an experienced wish-granting sorcerer, is not capable of thinking critically and granting a version of the wish that does _not_ lead to ruin?

[@silverblade357]

@thechunkmaster8794 Because it is his power being used to make that wish happen, and any unforeseen consequences of the granted wish would fall on him. Why are people entitled to have their wishes granted at no cost or effort to them?

[@CameronMetrejean]

Glad you brought up the mathematics too. I remember watching the moment in theaters when Asha is like “Most of these wishes will never be granted?” 😨 And I turned to my friend like “He does one a month and there’s like hundreds there, wasn’t that obvious?”

[@RednocNivert]

Me, the king's mathematician: Yeah so if we have more than 12 babies / immigrants in a year, then yes, we will have more wishes coming in on 18th birthdays than we can grant on a once-a-month basis. You could move your wish up in the line by purchasing Wish coins to unlock wish loot boxes that might have a redeemable ticket inside them!

[@07m07]

Yes, and even though kids' movies get a bit more leeway in suspension of disbelief, this is the kind of plot hole that a child would catch and be bothered by. It boggles the mind that Disney thought that they'd not only make this a plot point, but that they'd make it the central one in a film meant to celebrate their 100th anniversary.

[@BlackFiresong]

I haven't seen the film, but I was thinking that as Ryan was showing the scene where Asha is looking at all the wishes, and I felt super validated when Ryan said it right afterwards 😂 The frustrating thing is, I feel like there's the genesis of a decent plot. Like I understand being uncomfortable with the idea of this one guy being the arbiter of everybody's wishes, because even if he's doing a good job, why does he get to choose which ones to grant/not grant? Maybe she could have found out that he does something dark and nefarious with the wishes he never grants... With the way Ryan described the plot, it sounded like he was a decent enough king who randomly turned super evil and then was trapped in a mirror.

[@godsplayingfield]

@@BlackFiresong seen the film (work reasons, not a great time) and the king is super on the level. it is UP FRONT with the whole "you give him your wishes willingly, he does not take them by force nor even shown to be capable of taking them by force, it does not hurt, you WILL forget your wish, and there is a chance every so often that he will grant you your wish in a ceremony" this is told, BY THE MAIN CHARACTER to people coming to visit the kingdom to see if they want to move there. and is only referenced as a good thing. and he doesnt grant all the peoples wishes cause they're either super vague (inspiring people for example. "inspire what? to become a mob? to destroy Rozes?" which HAPPENS IN THE FILM SO HE WAS RIGHT. wrong person, BUT HE WAS RIGHT) or unfeasable, like one woman wanted to fly in the sky like peter pan does, i can understand him looking at that and being like "..... the fck, how i do with this?" as he himself is never shown to fly so i am okay with the idea he cant make people defy gravity on a whim. the star can do it, but thats a living mcguffin, so i dont count it. he became evil because he looked into a evil book for answers on what the falling star was cause he had no idea how dangerous it was, if it was going to put the wishes in danger or whatever else (and also he was being rash cause he asked the citizens for help, ie info, and they demanded another wish granting party to put them at ease and bombarded him with questions even when he was obviously getting frustrated. resulting in the "the thanks i get" song. which i liked actually) the book then made him go insane cause evil magic book do that.... ..... sorry for the long comment but after starting it becomes hard to stop to really hammer home how while he was certainly a narccisist and selfish (he protects the wishes more for himself than the people, but he does grant them and he did build a whole country where everyone thrives. with no taxes apparently. and anyone can do basically anything they want to do. like seriously it's a utopia. and it's hinted he has infact fought off armies to protect the place before as well) he was 100% a good guy at the start.

[@BlackFiresong]

@@godsplayingfield Can understand your frustration! Also, thanks for the long explanation - I enjoyed reading your comment ❤️ If they wanted to make the guy a villain, they really should have tweaked the premise to make him actually villainous... From your explanation, he just sounds like a decent dude who tragically got taken in by an evil book and ended up trapped in a mirror for all eternity. It's like when Jafar got trapped in the lamp, except way less earned/deserved!

[@LivingFire_BurningFlame]

When the villain was defeated by singing, I has a feeling that would be the "Super easy, barely an inconvenience" moment.

[@chriscunningham6401]

George has to keep us on our toes!

[@brugbo613]

Expectations subverted

[@lodestar3984]

I was instantly glad I didn't watch the movie as soon as I heard that the climax was a "super easy, barely an inconvenience" moment😂

[@jordanwager5301]

Remember when the TMNT beat Shredder with a guitar riff? That movie came out 32 years ago and it was stupid then. Haven't seen Wish, but I imagine it makes even less sense.

[@svetlanaandrasova6086]

I now think that during almost everymovie i watch😅 the cultural impact of Pitch meeting😂

[@RKNGL]

This is actually a clever allegory for Disney. A king (Disney himself) that made people's dreams come true at the cost of your unique imagining of those depicted fantasies. Compared to the current Disney were their modern attempts at mass market appeal come off as soulless with the only memory of what was at their height. With the mirror showing their caged past rather than the real ugly being they've become.

[@leeviheiskanen1271]

This is very cool comment

[@BledaRassmar]

Deep

[@nosickl]

Magnifico = Disney Asha = Woke Culture

[@zaramel4694]

Walt Disney or the company itself? The pronouns confused me

[@MrShaun42088]

Love how no one ever asked the person who gave their wish to the king what their wish was. "Hey what did you wish for?" "I have no idea"

[@pkmntrainermark8881]

I mean, they no going into it that they're gonna forget their wish immediately.

[@pelgervampireduck]

Disney is so out of touch and the writers are so insane that the character that is supposed to be the bad guy is actually reasonable and has good motivations, and the character that is supposed to be the hero is actually a villain that wants to ruin a kingdom where everybody is happy just because she's selfish, entitled, and can't think of the implications of her actions for more than five seconds.

[@trengilly01]

So the writers are just self inserting themselves into the Asha's main character!

[@nont18411]

It all started with “They will never know what you sacrificed for them”.

[@tyleremery7088]

"I'm gonna need you to get all the way off my back about that." -Disney, probably

[@Spills51]

but that is exactly how the current culture is today....If someone may get hurt in anyway in the moment then it must be called raci...lol and be bad....Not a single thought towards the actual long term ramifications and the fact that doing such impulsive things ithout any real thought or logic often creates far dyer consequences for everyone involved in the future. But that requires thought....we dont do that today....thought triggers young people.

[@xamindar]

Is the hero supposed to be based on AOC? Kind of sounds like it.

[@shmerples2960]

The concept art reveals a sweet love story and an epic vilain power couple. They reduced a "star-crossed" magical love-interest into a derpy blob that executives thought would sell toys. The real tragedy is we'll never know what the film could have been because there were too many executives in the kitchen taking a dump in the broth.

[@evilsharkey8954]

Same with Frozen. Elsa was supposed to be the villain, and Anna was supposed to get her heart frozen on purpose due to having her heart broken. Instead, we get a “twist” villain out of nowhere who does things counter to his goals (like stopping the guy who tries to shoot Elsa instead of just “trying” to.

[@rebeccahicks2392]

@@evilsharkey8954 Also multiple plot holes, like why is this visiting prince from a completely different country in charge when the Queen and Princess is gone instead of, idk, the people who were running it for all those years between the parents' death and Elsa's coronation?

[@evilsharkey8954]

@@rebeccahicks2392 Yeah, it bothered me that they never even hinted at who was actually running the country before Elsa’s coronation. Was it a regent? Was it Elsa? The first time I saw it, I thought one of the unnamed men you see more than once was the temporary head of state.

[@eclipsehorse8693]

yeah eff the star, Disney is sitting on cases and cases of Valentino merch it can't move in the parks- you'd think the little goat would at least be a big draw...

[@Strill_]

It wasn't executives meddling. It was activist diversity hires in the writer's room. The veteran writers couldn't get a word in, so they all quit.

[@nocrtname]

Someone else said it perfectly on another video. The man from humble beginnings who worked really hard and built a kingdom that anyone could come to and enjoy. They turned Walt Disney into the villain for the 100-year anniversary.

[@briannab.1712]

I haven't even seen this movie, but so many people have been talking about how the king is not really a villain and I already agree. He actually sounds like a great guy who's only possible flaw is that you'll forget your wish after you give it to him. However, he's using his magic really selflessly by granting so many wishes and maybe he believes that the best thing he can do for people whose wishes he can't or won't grant is to make them forget so they're not pining after an impossible dream. Also, if you had to forget your wish to have it possibly be granted, I think most people would agree without hesitation.

[@aethefledladyofmercia9572]

Apparently, the star was initially a hunky magic-boy that served as a love interest for Asha, and that song between her and the king was, indeed, initially meant to be a love song between her and the star-boy.

[@akl2k7]

Can't have a modern, quirky Disney heroine falling in love! /s

[@Lilitha11]

If they went with that, then they could of also tied up the loose end of having only 'one' person grant wishes, since it would be two of them.

[@thecommenterdude3995]

​@@akl2k7get the heck out of here with that plebbit "/s" nonsense.

[@spongebobsquarepants2981]

​@@thecommenterdude3995/calm down

[@spongebobsquarepants2981]

​@@thecommenterdude3995but seriously. Grow up lol.

[@guitarmatricide4834]

“It’s been a good century, we gobbled everything up!” You sure did! And then took a nasty diarrhea shit over everything we once loved.

[@HMNCLunar]

Oh, taking a nasty diarrhoea over everything people love is TIGHT!

[@PinkHitMe]

Yes sir they did!

[@guitarmatricide4834]

Every time I hear of a new project coming out, it’s like: “Oh my God! Stop already!” It’s like we’re all shipwreck victims and we’re clinging to whatever entertainment we have left before that gets washed away too.

[@Torgonius]

And then projectile vomited all over the shitty mess.

[@thetay24]

Warner Bros: Hold ma beer Buys Discovery network and likely Paramount. And AT&T.

[@hourglass1988]

My favorite part is that Disney unironically released a movie where the main villain is an all powerful entity that takes people's dreams and holds them hostage for personal power. DISNEY! A company who has built its entire empire on taking intellectual property by money or straight up theft (defended by armies of lawyers) and holding them hostage indefinitely in order to monetize them. The irony is so thick.

[@storyxobssesedxnerd]

loved this pitch meeting. The most disappointing part for me about the movie (besides throwing out that concept with the star boy love interest) was that they pretended like Magnifico was an irredeemable fully evil villain, when he yet was only a concerned ruler of a flourishing kingdom, that liked to hear himself talk. I liked that you mentioned how absurd his "arc" played out and especially the role his WIVE had in it. Like in the first half of the movie they seem truly in love. We literally SEE and HEAR about that Magnifico truly cares for the citizens of his kingdom and that he loves his wive. If they needed to include "At all Costs" in this movie (which is a beautiful song, just not fitting for where they put it) and let Magnifico sing about how he wants to PROTECT the wishes of his people at all costs and that he (a hundred times again) CARES for them, then the creators gotta recognize that as the condition of him being actually redeemable. He only used the dark magic after his concerns had grown so big that he decided it was the only opportunity to save his kingdom from whatever threat was currently occuring. His wive did not want him to use the dark magic and seemed really worried about him and at first he listened (which shows that he has not only love but respect for her), but when he decided things became too dangerous ... well ... as he SAID IN THE FRIKIN SONG: "desperate times call for desperate meassures" It makes absolutely ZERO SENSE, that the queen did not even have the IDEA to try and help Magnifico become normal again... But the movie clarified that even if she would have tried it would be impossible because... hmm why? Oh yeah - the laziest damn excuse in cinema history: The magic evil book says he can't turn good again That's it. Like. What? Yeah it just not possible once he is possesed by the dark magic. Like?????? Okay damn that was a long comment. All in all the movie was a huge disappointment to me. I liked the overall music very much but the soundtrack clearly was written for a different movie. The visuals were a nice touch for an actual anniversary. Ofc Disney did not have the guts to go full 2D, but I liked the art style as a concept with the watercolor-look-alike backgrounds and so on. But the story and the characters? Man... It could have been so so much better but it just wasn't...

[@stansman5461]

The Queen definitely acted very mixed towards the book. Like the book promises unlimited power and you can't be defeated and nothing will happen to you, and she doesn't trust it one bit. But the book says you can't reverse the effect of the book, and she trusts it instantly?

[@EXruin]

My favorite part was when the queen and the one side-character read the evil curse magic book and figure out if you interact with this stuff once you are pretty much evil and cursed forever. Luckily the queen had some anti-evil-curse-magic oil they put on their hands BEFORE reading the book and figuring out that after interacting with this stuff once you are evil and cursed forever. Of course the queen never told her husband about the anit-evil-curse-magic oil because she just loves him so very much and is a good person.

[@tsukasa67]

I know, right? Everything with the queen in the latter half of the movie is completely wild. How did they manage to bungle her characterization so hard? She should have at the very least been one of the few people who wanted to reform him at the very end but nope, just smugly sends him to the dungeon forever cause the writers decided to arbitrarily say there's no hope for him oh well to bad so sad. Really dumb stuff overall.

[@Creationweek]

It sounds like the queen is supposed to be maleficent or maybe the evil fairy god mother

[@gracekim25]

wait.....

[@thibautisserant]

@@tsukasa67 The smug part is so accurate and probably what really made me hate her guts at that point.

[@stephanos6128]

​@@thibautisserant the smug part pisses me off cus that characterization for her comes completely out of NOWHERE. like they do this with Hans to. like reducing them to jokes and punching bags while everyone acts all smug about it like... idk its weird and the joke gets old real fast

[@Ro9ge]

Thank you! The Queen not caring about saving her husband was my biggest issue with the film, so it's nice to hear someone else also noticed that.

[@thibautisserant]

She almost seems to revel in it when Magnifico is defeated ! "Oh the love of my life, trapped forever to a hopeless fate. What a wonderful day."

[@HWEWSWEW]

Men are evil and women are good. The woman is lucky to get rid of her husband and can now be free from that horrible oppressive institution called marriage.

[@as3609]

Did you not notice that the husband is a straight white man? That means he is bad. And the Queen is a woman in current year, so that means she is strong and independent and she don't need no man. Or love. In the sequel the Queen will be known as Slayyy Qween, and her OnlyFans subscriptions will start at $3.99.

[@MHus-bv3kx]

Fits the conspiracy that “they” want to destroy the nuclear family. 😉

[@Alex-mh5mu]

They made this movie to bully Magnifico for existing. What did he do to deserve any of that? Where was that useless star when he was losing his family in a tragedy?

[@anoopkashyap401]

3:18 7 Dwarves? More like the 7 sins No I'm not kidding Dahlia = pride Bazeema = Gluttony Gabo = wrath Hal = lust Simon = sloth Dario = greed Safi = envy

[@genzi78514]

I can't believe this is the same Studio that made Soul and The Princess and the Frog. Not everyone get their wishes granted, but that doesn't mean we live without happiness.

[@thebolas000]

It might have been neat if Asha had overheard the King talking about not granting most of the wishes, jumped to conclusions and kicked off the story. Then the end is the king explaining why granting every wish ever is a bad idea. Then she could have an "Oh yeah, I'm a 17 year old that's never run a country and maybe it's ok to leave well enough alone." moment. Just really layer it on that the king is evil, but have the ending explain that all those evil looking moments were misinterpreted.

[@islasullivan3463]

To add to this maybe she’s being manipulated by someone who lies that their wish is to save a loved one or something, but in reality just wants to become a tyrannical ruler and consume all the wishes to grant themselves more magic. Heck it could be the queen herself wishing to trap her husband in the mirror. And Asha now has to escape with him trapped in a handheld mirror. They then have to work together to defeat the big bad. With the King learning to not be so secretive and distrustful, and Asha learns that not everyone not everyone has good in their hearts. And he finally accepts her as his apprentice.

[@thomasedwards6641]

That sounds like a much better film

[@zachwackchannel]

Yes. The movie was basically an attack on the concept of prayer and it would have had a much better messege, similar to Bruce Almightly, if it explored why not all wishes/prayers are answered.

[@octanumori]

Would of just been better if she got all the wishes granted and then everything goes into chaos and she needs the king to undo them. Which could teach people the old saying "be careful what you wish for" or something

[@tnecniw]

I would also add that the king doesn't "take" wishes. But he does grant them. People want the wishes, and a lot of people think "Oh, the only way I can get my wish granted is by the king doing it" While his whole point of not doing it constantly, is because he only grants the wishes that can't be done themselves. Like... "I wish my mother wouldn't have cancer"

[@carlrood4457]

Didn't Wonder Woman '84 pretty much show the dangers in granting everyone's wishes? There's also the fact that some people's wishes will be mutually exclusive.

[@Spidey1996]

Bruce Almighty did that too.

[@Acromion11]

You know you have a stinker when WW84 is lecturing you

[@TT09B5]

I don't think people in Hollywood know what a paradox is .

[@BlandoGaming]

You're not supposed to think about it! Just blindly accept what's being spoon fed to you no questions asked.

[@rosskwolfe]

It's been a plot in fiction and philosophy for thousands of years.

[@Nionivek]

My favorite part you didn't mention about how evil Magnifico is... is after Asha calls him out the villain does the unthinkable and lets her keep her job!

[@66Roses]

What's a shame to me is that the conflict is interesting for all of five minutes. Initially, Asha's gripe is that Magnifico isn't granting everyone's wishes, but when he retorts with a reasonable defense (some wishes are dangerous), she responds with one of her own: that he shouldn't still hoard the wishes he refuses to grant. He responds that it's better they live in blissful ignorance than go chasing a dream they can never attain, to which Asha points out that the only thing standing in the way of that is _him_ , and that is where the discussion stops and both characters become totally flat.

[@franciscodanconia4324]

The dangerous wishes aren’t the only problem. Even the seemingly benign ones could cause problems. What happens if 90% of the population wishes to be rich? Then who will work to provide food, shelter, clothing etc. do we just wish all that into existence? What if two men are wishing for the affections of the same woman, or two women with the same man? And wouldn’t that wish take away the freedom of choice and self determination of the subject of the two wishers affection? What if my wish is for my son to be a farmer but he wants to be a guitar player? The king has a pretty valid point about the danger of granting every wish under the sun.

[@66Roses]

@@franciscodanconia4324 Both of the characters have valid points, because it's easy to argue that it's cruel for the king to give people false hope when he never plans to grant their wishes. But that argument is side-stepped because it would make the movie too philosophical and there are Snow White homages we need to get to.

[@solanelukoperse5815]

@@franciscodanconia4324 So you defined dangerous wishes, congrats. Now, why not giving them back so people can work on it instead of living in blissful ignorance ?

[@franciscodanconia4324]

@@66Roses it would be cruel if he didn’t grant the wish and the people knew he didn’t grant their wish, but apparently they forget their wish after they give it to him for the chance to be granted.

[@franciscodanconia4324]

@@solanelukoperse5815 as far as a fairy tale goes it’s kind of genius. He’s basically packaging up a lot of people baser instincts into cute little bubbles and the people forget they had them. Theres probably a lot of greed, jealousy, envy and the rest of the deadly sins locked up there. And apparently the people of the kingdom are happier for it.

[@JustDuckiest]

I heard they originally planned on the king and queen both being evil, with Asha being their daughter. That would have been SO much more interesting. Plus Asha would actually be a Disney princess

[@darrens3]

It seems like they just rather keep adding references to other intellectual properties, than have any actual consequences.

[@beerosaurusrex]

Probably the only way you could make them evil too would be if they simply vetoed wishes that didn't benefit them, or only granted ones that did, something like that. No rational person could see the choice to simply not give everyone what they wanted as a bad let alone evil decision.

[@OriasRofocale]

Asha was also going to fall in love with the Star Boy who had a design that tumblr sexy man fans would have loved. Makes the love song fit a lot better.

[@andres_see]

@@OriasRofocale But then she wouldn't have been this strong and independent woman.

[@Alondro77]

Yeah, and have there being a PURPOSE from the start for stealing all the wishes. As it was, there was really no rationale given until the evil book. This movie was just shoved together from so many pieces, and none of them fit. They shoehorned in so much, they split the shoe.

[@JhericFury]

Wait, the king let everyone stay there rent free? For a king that's incredibly decent.

[@markusgorelli5278]

I am amazed his country isn't flooded with people who want in. Just being a citizen will fulfill the wishes of many that they not have to pay rent (without having to live in the wilderness with no amenities). I suspect a writer self insert here.

[@potatoheadpokemario1931]

A kingdom without taxes and has decent amenities, who cares if your wish might not be granted

[@vlo4829]

@@potatoheadpokemario1931 Not only that, but it's peaceful, disease-free, and everyone lives happily... Asha ruins it for everyone lol

[@jeffbenton6183]

I'm now very curious how he manages to run a country with no taxes. Do they just have some super-profitable exports or something?

[@mikekolokowsky]

@@jeffbenton6183Someone wished for a kingdom with no taxes. Done. Magic. Don’t explain magic, because that’s boring.

[@synchacker25]

The king not granting peoples wishes and drip-feeding low bar wishes is pretty good allegory for modern media companies

[@VlRGlL]

The irony that this movie probably would have done a lot better if they actually animated it traditionally

[@eclipsehorse8693]

lol with who? Disney doesn't have anyone left in the building who knows how to do that properly. They just showed the door to an animator who had overseen a NUMBER of animation classics. They're down to second year students at Cal Arts who just learning color theory! :)

[@webbedshadow2601]

Right?? From the first trailer I saw the animation just looked like Tangled or Frozen but bad, Wish does NOT even have looks going for it, sigh

[@KeppyKep]

The instant the star thing popped up on screen, I knew Ryan was about to call it a "merchandising opportunity". It was just instantly recognisable as such.

[@eclipsehorse8693]

"so then Asha goes out side to wish on a star, and the Carl's Jr's mascot shows up, so she and her little talking goat friend go for burgers!"

[@TheGodlikeDragon]

Suprised Nintendo has not tried to sue them for using an obvious Luma rip-off

[@MamaMOB]

It literally looks like a stress ball you would get from the bank!

[@tyokabina2829]

​@@TheGodlikeDragon same. But I suppose Nintendo has been a bit insular for a while so they might have just not noticed and it might be too late to sue now.

[@anerdwithamic]

I remember seeing a comment that read “Wish feels less like a celebration of the studio, and more of a celebration of the corporation.” Couldn’t agree more tbh

[@robertlauncher]

“It’s okay, I took the words ‘Love you’ out of the song, it’s not a love song now, despite, you know, the rivers of romantic subtext.”

[@codycullings4455]

This movie seems like someone saw Bruce Almighty about halfway through and thought “hell yeah, nothing can go wrong if everyone gets their prayers/wishes answered. There’s absolutely zero downsides here.”

[@taylordacquelclayton]

In this case, I’m perfectly fine watching the Pitch Meeting video in lieu of the actual movie

[@benzaiten933]

meh, I'm sure that at some point in the far off future I'll watch this movie on streaming on a boring afternoon, after remembering said movie exists.

[@Pilot646]

I mean if youre not 9 years old why woild you lol

[@gracekim25]

it's more fun to have seen the movie first to get the jokes of the pitch meeting

[@gokaury]

​@@gracekim25How about...no...

[@Botsy]

It's actually a pretty great movie, even for adults. I watched it twice. Once alone and with my husband. We both loved it, as did my daughter and her grandparents. And I'd watch it again. Can't go by the reviews, sometimes.

[@nerdifymusic7322]

They had a story in there and a good one. Could have continued with the king being right, Asher takes over, grants everyone's wishes, and things got outta hand. She see the problem, goes back to Magnifico (who's somehow imprisoned) and she apologise for her mistake which will show growth and also the disparity in wisdom between the young and the old (Asher and Magnifico). Magnifico tells her a story of why he doesn't grant everyone's wishes and not that he doesn't want to but because of what it had led to in the past. She gives him back his role and he helps fix things and at the end, she truly becomes his apprentice or knowing that she could handle it during the course of fixing things, Magnifico hands thing to Asher, so he can rest and enjoy the simple things of life with his wife. There were so many ways to go to make this great...

[@Synophmn]

That could be a nice allusion to the Sorcerer's Apprentice with Mickey, since they wanted to do all the nods and references to previous works.

[@leopnogueira]

they already made this movie , its called bruce all mighty

[@hunterkiller1440]

That was exactly what I was expecting...

[@DaaRusty]

Now, this actually sounds like a wonderful movie. This is how it should have been.

[@RuffDiesel]

Disney hire them please 🙏🏿

[@melgris2732]

The thing with the At All Costs song is that it is so, so obviously meant to just be a catchy pop song on its own,. It's only barely related to what's going on in the movie, if you squint. The song doesn't even ever say "wish(es)" or anything, it only refers to the thing being sung to as "you." So, as said in the pitch, it sounds as if they are singing about "you" meaning each other, that makes more sense than referring to a crowd of bubbles as "you," but then makes no sense with the actual story. The writers didn't care if it fit as a part of the movie, the way people love songs from the classics because they are explicitly tied to a scene. "I Just Can't Wait to be King" illustrates Simba's goals and youthful recklessness, Part of Your World is about Ariel's grotto and her desperation for more, How Far I'll Go shows how badly Moana wants to journey, Be a Man hits hard because it is about Shang frantically trying to build soldiers and Mulan struggling to succeed her way. They're musical numbers, designed to build the characters and/or their world as part of the larger story. At All Costs is just...Magnifico and Asha looking at wish bubbles and going, "That's neat." It doesn't set up change or expand the world, we already KNOW that Magnifico "benevolently" holds them and that Asha thinks they're magical. If the kingdom valued toast, they could just as easily be vaguely singing about toast. The Wish people wanted some song that could SOUND like any generic pop ballad about how magical and amazing "you" are, since nobody is going to like the songs on the basis of the actual movie. They were hoping radio stations would play it and kids would ask for the music, for some profit, because the story isn't going to save them.

[@jadenbrown4826]

Ryan’s improv skills at the end were top tier. Even remembered to say “yes, and.” Top tier professional

[@arkeiou_]

When the made up executives look smarter than the actual executives

[@chasehedges6775]

True

[@Rougarou99]

Ironically, a shirt with “It’s just the cutest little merchandising opportunity” would go hard.

[@webbedshadow2601]

YES!

[@onlinealiasuk]

Merchandising opportunities are tight

[@Rougarou99]

@@onlinealiasuk Wow wow wow wow ... wow!

[@OmDahake]

I'll pay for that

[@InsertCreativeusername_]

That sounds like the best merchandising opportunity I've ever heard

[@Nyrufa]

Plot hole: If giving the king your wish makes you forget about the wish's existence, how is it that her grandfather has been waiting to have it granted his whole life?

[@cubed.public]

Person: Creates a happy, free city and even grants 12 wishes a year Disney: So he's the bad guy

[@kieranelliott5607]

"Are we sure [X] is not evil?" feels like a very common question when it comes to modern heroes. Along with "It's ok because they're the main character".

[@es83stevenson88]

Yeah seems to be a theme in Hollywood. White man in charge doing good. Strong woman of colour decides we need diversity and overthrows him because reasons

[@Sorain1]

Its the same attitude as Nixons line about 'Its not a crime if the president does it' and just as evil.

[@adamcsanki6641]

@@es83stevenson88 but if she is the fairy godmother that means at some point she turns white

[@bowieagoziejr.7453]

​@@adamcsanki6641😂😂😂

[@es83stevenson88]

@@adamcsanki6641 maybe she is the live action one from the Cinderella failure lol

[@kentslocum]

As someone who saw Wish in theaters, I can confirm that it was worse than this Pitch Meeting makes it sound. Especially because Disney hyped it up so much, and instead of making a certified classic that showcased their storytelling and technical prowess developed over 100 years, they just slapped a grainy filter over a cookie-cutter film and called it a day.

[@roristevens2810]

I avoided this one based on the plot rundown and the icky look and song previews, and then was amazed to find that Wonka seems to be doing a better job at being a Disney-style fantasy musical!

[@fuzzyotterpaws4395]

At least the animation is cool and unique

[@kentslocum]

​@@roristevens2810I saw Wonka as well as Wish (hmmm...they are both one-word titles starting with the letter "W"...), and I can confidently state that Wonka was at least entertaining while I was watching it, while Wish actually bored me (and I was watching Wish in 3D!). I have a lot of problems with Wonka, but they pale in comparison to the problems with Wish. And I agree, the songs in Wonka are much, much more "Disney" than the songs in Wish. 😊

[@kentslocum]

@@fuzzyotterpaws4395 I dunno...they didn't go all the way with it. It kinda feels like they put a filter over the film, instead of committing to the style like in Across the Spider-verse. To be honest, the only reason I'm complaining about the animation is because how huge Wish's budget was. With that much money, it should look A LOT better than it does.

[@AngryAuditor]

I caught the first mantinee showing which was in 3D, and the character movement was so jerky and distracting. Maybe it will be more tolerable on a smaller screen.

[@aguynamednathan]

The reaction the Queen has to the King is the most believable thing ever presented in film

[@TheImapotato]

Modern women will be out the door or at your back with a knife if a better opportunity arises, taking your kingdom, your horse drawn carriage and your wishes

[@stansman5461]

"My King, I love you with all my heart" "We need to end the king" "Say less"

[@Scout025]

You forgot to mention at the end the star has to return to the sky but Asha’s like “you have to leave soon, but not yet,” so there’s no heartfelt goodbye, instead the star’s going to leave sometime in the future, but we don’t actually see it.

[@Mr.Inktail]

"Also the king has a backstory about making sure no one suffers anymore by building Rosas and making sure they're happy. " "Doesn't that make him a good guy?" "Yup." "But he's the bad guy?" "Yup. So..."

[@O.D25]

It baffles me how they didn‘t make their 100 year celebration movie about Mickey Mouse, especially given that next year the copyright to the original Mickey short, steam boat willy, will go to the Public Domain.

[@emhu2594]

Because it's awful?

[@EskChan19]

I have seen a pitch for Wish to be a Fantasia prequel which I liked, with Mickey wanting to become the apprentice of the wizard, and the wizard collecting wishes because using his powers and the powers of the wishes he keeps Charnabog (that devil figure from Fantasia) sealed. And then the story would be about Chernabog tempting Mickey with power and tuff. That picth sounded a whole lot more interesting than what we got.

[@westrim]

They did do a short called Once Upon a Studio.

[@lightning3822]

They should have made a Walt Disney Biopic

[@benzaiten933]

her cute animal side-kick could have been a mouse as well, to go with the mickey muse theme.

[@MindofOnyx]

I saw this movie. I'm convinced, this is exactly how the pitch meeting went... except that it was more like a guy typing into ChatGPT "Give me a Disney movie based on the title Wish" and then he took that idea, word for word, and went to his boss. I especially liked, "Hey no hypotheticals, just listen." ROFL

[@sergioharder1153]

King Magnifico being a villain but with a motive of "not every wish being granted" is weird to think about because of the chance that some wishes are indeed evil and not good for Rosas. But I feel like why the writers purposefully chose this confusion is because they tried writing Rosas as a kingdom with friendly intentions, and the idea that the people won't wish for bad stuff like this.

[@samuraiwarriorsunite]

Thank you, Marvel/Disney, for the number of movies you've released lately. Not that I want to see them, but they give Ryan loads of material for his pitch meetings, and those I definitely want to see.

[@mallios13]

Just think about how much money it costs to produce a single AAA film these days, and realize how that's all being pissed away by poor quality filmmaking that just seeks to browbeat the audience with tonedeaf moral grandstanding, when it could probably be spent improving infrastructure, feeding the starving, providing affordable homes and care to the homeless, contributing towards a national medical care to diminish insurance costs, etc. But nope, we need a movie where a man justifiably doesn't abuse his wish-granting powers and needs to be turned into a flimsy villain because an entitled diversity hire girl decided he was wrong.

[@EMurph42]

His Disney pitch meetings are always my favorites. The Dumbo one was excellent & different & I had hoped that would open the door for some unique older type pitch meetings. Like the Wizard of Oz would be freaking fantastic!

[@fuzzyotterpaws4395]

Marvel has great stuff! Guardians of the Galaxy 3, She-Hulk, etc. Great humor mixed with emotions and real issues like sexism and animal abuse while still making it entertaining

[@anameer11]

“It's been a good century, we gobbled everything up!” is sending me

[@Dark_Peace]

Asha : everyone should have their wish granted ! People who watched Madoka Magica : NOOOO

[@joshuaanderson1712]

Jack Horner from Puss in Boots would end up being somewhat good in this world, at least it wouldn't burn to the ground from all the other terrible wishes once he had all the magic.

[@MasterGeek-mk5ne]

1:04 fun fact: this was a love song, the original concept about the star is that he would be come human and Asha and Starboy would fall in love, like Beauty and the Beast.

[@sterling7]

There are movies where you go, "I have questions," and then there are movies where you go, "How is it that none of the people who MADE this movie had questions?!"

[@francespope4403]

This. This is why I'm so interested in bad movie reviews.

[@eyflfla]

"hey-shutup"

[@matejajezdic]

Speaking of Zootopia, I’d love to see a pitch meeting for that one 😄

[@WhiteCaneV1]

I await for Zootopia 2... forever

[@anthonywynn1812]

"So, you know how people oddly like furry female bunnies?" "Uh-huh." "And people also have a fetish for women in uniform?" "With you so far..." "What if we combined the two, and made a furry female cop bunny." "Oh, a furry female cop bunny is tight!" "Ohhh, my God."

[@benzaiten933]

I'm still waiting for the buddy-cop sequel movie!

[@jstnsmutek]

​@@anthonywynn1812"What a fox" "Oh, throw one of those in there"

[@Dalton_Boardman2000]

I love Zootopia. Probably the best "cartoon animal" movie for how much thought went into making the society make sense.

[@wesleyoldham4222]

It's the inverse of Wonder Woman 1984. Instead of "Literally every single wish is selfish and needs to be renounced," Wish went with "Literally every wish is good and you should be granting them."

[@cajunguy6502]

In the lore of the film, a wish in inherently good because it is part of a persona soul, and the issue wasn't that the wishes not being granted, it's that he stealing parts of peoples souls! The movie is trash, but pitch meeting is intended to be comedic above all else. It's not a substitute for an opinion 😂

[@wesleyoldham4222]

​@@cajunguy6502 Wow, that is pretty dark. Now he sounds more like Father in Full Metal Alchemist, sacrificing human souls to grant himself power.

[@Yabuturtle]

So am I missing something? xD A king who doesn't want to make bat shit crazy wishes or vague wishes come true? That doesn't sound evil, that sounds responsible.

[@Yabuturtle]

@@MeiksDtoo What do you mean?

[@alenor210]

Wish honestly seems like it was written in a week. Like some underpaid and overworked writer was given a week to write a first draft, and every day an executive ordered them to add something to it (like the ending tie-ins) with no regard for what the story actually was. So in the end we got a half-baked script with a few interesting ideas that are never explored and a bunch of random Disney anniversary crap that doesn’t mesh with the story at all.

[@miclowgunman1987]

more realistically some AI trained on the disney vault.

[@Cipher_Paul]

Soon Ryan will be Disney's only source of revenue as he goes to watch their movies to give us those awesome pitch meetings 😂

[@mallios13]

We can only hope.

[@----Jay----]

Some of their latest projects are surely propped up by just how profitable it is... to hate-watch their shitty content and rant about it online.

[@lonewanderer882]

i really hope that he pirated this film

[@Cyricistic]

The improv at the end... powerful stuff. Gripping. You're an electric performer.

[@SM-hl6hh]

@5:27 “Yes and” Bahahaha the theatre kids GET IT Ryan

[@mtsds7801]

It is kinda funny that king magnifico on the beggining have a point. You can't really guaranted everyone wish. The economy would colapse, many people would wish to be king or to just destroy other people's wish. And then disney turned him in a generic villain.

[@Raximus3000]

It is like saying people who use logical points are bad and you can only trust people who are willing to give you everything, "wink wink."

[@Alex-mh5mu]

White man bad!

[@raistlinmajere7149]

Its like in Bruce Allmighty when Jim Carrey just granted "everyone's prayers"

[@roristevens2810]

But see, that's what Disney fans were begging for - a generic "classic" villain rather than a twist villain (Frozen), no villain just someone misguided (Moana, Encanto), etc. Talk about be careful what you wish for, am I right?

[@robonator2945]

Imagine if Wish was actually about walking that line between giving people what they want while accepting that some people's wants just aren't good. *_That_* would be an actually subversive approach that has something meaningful to say while still being built on the original Disney productions. She comes into it believing that everyone's wishes should just be granted and thinking he's evil for not doing that, and at first she's painted in the right but then slowly it's revealed she's actually quite wrong until in the climax Magnifico literally just has to ask "Wait... do you even know what people were wishing for?" and pulls down a few magic wish snow globes of the city on fire, authoritarian dictators, complete anarchy, etc. Ultimately culminating in "people are young, they're angry, they lash out, they want what's best for themselves and, yes, a few genuinely want and aspire to good aspirational things; those wishes I can typically grant, although not always. People are never forced to stay here, visitors can come and go freely, and people choose to stay here because it's better." Maybe finally ending on a sort of vague middleground while instant granting of wishes is still fairly rare, they start a program or something to help people achieve their own wishes at a higher rate. Sort of taking a split idealist and realist philosophy a bit like MHA does with heroism. ( *_especially_* in the later seasons )

[@tylermccaw8092]

2:11 “…and it’s just the cutest little merchandising opportunity.” I like how that’s also a catchphrase for a few of these animated movie pitch meetings.

[@eclipsehorse8693]

followed up with "can w e get Alan Tudyk in this? or Aquafina?! people love those two!"

[@ML1399TheyStoleMyName]

I love how the big stick up this movies ass is "You can't just not grant some people's wishes!" And its like homie he doesn't have to grant people's wishes at all! Magically granting wishes is not a requirement for benevolent rulership! The fact that you're even getting this is kind of amazing!

[@mrkoyunreis]

I LOVE how he was able to pitch everything in this story in a single pitch meeting. Like the movies story was finalized in the pitch meeting lol

[@loushia16]

This movie was definitely a celebration.. of all the things wrong with some Disney movies over the last 100 years. * Generic storyline * Protagonist who is absolutely right just because she says so * "Villain" who is absolutely wrong because the protagonist says so * Uninteresting side characters/merchandising opportunities

[@timbradshaw5481]

strong black female lead fighting against the white corrupt patriachy

[@aeroga2383]

I haven't seen the movie and I feel really bad for Magnifico. Dude was just doing what needed to be done and the protag ends up doing exactly what he was doing anyway? What?

[@moyluna1589]

If you've ever seen the musical Parody of Aladdin, "Twisted", Wish feels like the fake story that's told at the end.

[@leeviheiskanen1271]

Reminds me of that god awful line from Batwoman where she said Batman's costume is perfect when it fits a woman

[@shykorustotora]

Yes but if you've noticed, she's a woman, he's a man and as we all know by Hollywood Law, women can do no wrong~

[@M0nlyfans]

It's just like real life :)

[@leonardohidalgo5127]

nothing more fascinating for the funeral of a company that survived 100 years than making a nail for the coffin in the form of a film, it really closes the perfect circle

[@infinitetimer27]

The fact that it was meant to be a love song for asha and star boy. It makes me cry that they cut it out every time I heard the song. 😭