Witchcraft or Trad-wife: Which Way, Western Woman?

[@LucianaPelota]

If only my children, nieces, and nephews had such a pastor, received this teaching in their churches!

[@beefbased89]

I was holding my breath... I thought you were going to say that baking sourdough bread was witchcraft! Whew. I won't throw away my starter.

[@RightResponseMinistries]

😂

[@caitlynyoung1402]

underrated comment! 🤣

[@owamuhmza]

This is why I waited 7 days to watch it, I needed to bid the sourdough adieu sufficiently first😂

[@michelleloan7486]

@@owamuhmza😂

[@michelleloan7486]

😂

[@NicoleCB]

The description of "mutual submission" was helpful. I never heard anyone explain it before. I've only heard people denounce the concept without addressing or acknowleding the verse that literally instructs us to submit to one another. Thank you for explaining it. It makes so much sense.

[@SkyeTerrier2017]

I was a stay at home mom for 8 years. My husband divorced me and married a woman with financial means. No I drive a semi. It was a difficult transition

[@strellasmith777]

I’m so sorry for the way you were treated. You deserve better.

[@billybob-wx2re]

Joel, you might be the most gifted speaking teacher I've seen in a long, long time, but you gotta let your guests speak my man!

[@K81620]

Yes be careful

[@smokyquartz5817]

Narcissism causes people to be unable to stop talking. It's one of the first symptoms that deteriorates as they get worse.

[@AngharadWhite]

This has been an excellent episode, I really appreciated the explanations of Jesus’ supernatural power and symbolism of walking on water etc. I don’t think we are encouraged to really reflect on His miraculous super-nature, as crazy as that sounds. As a first-gen millennial convert, I am shocked that the church isn’t more aware of the lure of witchcraft - it’s everywhere from the overt tarot decks to the covert self-help “affirmations”.

[@hannahmcmillan5712]

The whole affirmations thing drives me bananas!

[@AngharadWhite]

@hannahmcmillan5712 do you have a similar testimony to mine? I was raised going to church every now and then with heavy doses of New Age. I feel like Christians (particularly women raised in the church) have no clue how pagan modern culture has become. I feel like pastors need to warn their flocks on what constitutes witchcraft.

[@AngharadWhite]

But then I figure pastors are often just as sheltered, and that’s how they end up adopting egalitarian viewpoints and so on… there’s a lot of naivety in the church and I thank God for people like Pastor Joel! We need more warriors

[@skylinefever]

I always saw self-help as the "Praise God for suffering" versus minus the God and Jesus parts. I call it the motivational BS industry, and anyone selling motivational garabge can get lost. It's a toxic product of corporate America.

[@dubyag4124]

Incredibly helpful conversation, brothers. Thank you!

[@davidleap4704]

Thanks Joel and other members of the different panels. Right Response has been a blessing to me for years. This discussion I found to be particularly informative and incisive.

[@marymack1]

"Sourdough & Sundresses"...new podcast name! 😄

[@jackjones3657]

Another great discussion about topics that are effecting people's lives! Being open to vetting all topics under The Light of Scripture is something more churches need to be doing in our day.

[@RightResponseMinistries]

Amen.

[@rinihogewoning6528]

Hello Joel, this was a timely podcast because I've been seeing issues with the Alley Beth Stuckey influencer types and wasn't sure if what I was seeing was valid. That being said, feel free to agree, add to, or disagree, but I believe her influence on conservative evangelical women results in the rise of unbiblical functional egalitarianism in their homes and marriages, such that the Alley Beth Stuckey's out there start to become the spiritual head of the wife rather than the husband and even their pastor, and many passive Christian men out there will see no harm in an influencer influencing their wife because all this technically falls outside the boundaries of the Lord's day preaching and teaching from the pulpit. And women may potentially see no harm in this because they've outwardly checked the "complimentarian" box for the Lord's day as well. However, the influencer becomes the predominant voice of influence that more or less usurps the husband's role for leading the home because that platform quenches their appetite for directly "relatable" knowledge and application for addressing their felt needs in the remaining six days of the week. The natural outworking of this could result in women disregarding or overlooking the counsel of their own husband because they've already been fed online thru their preferred source or voice of reason which happens to be another "relatable" woman, and perhaps foolishly the passive husbands may not even see abdication of counsel to a female Christian social media influencer as a problem for sake of lightening their own load in the home. And I don't know Alley Beth Stuckey's direct motivations for her platform, however she is not immune to the temptation to rule over men thru their wives, and even desire the office of pastor, especially since as a social media influencer who if honest desires to grow their influence and following. Rosaria Butterfield mentioned in a recent podcast that feminism has infiltrated the church, even the reformed church, which causes many women to become discontent with their God given role in the biblical patriarchy and thus desire ways to step out or above it while still waiving their "complimentarian card" on the Lord's day. These ways are often subtle and passive aggressive, so is that what we are seeing with the Alley Beth Stuckey's in Christianity, and to give her charity, she may not even realize she's doing it; it is the God given role of her husband and even church pastor to counsel her in this area. It's also concerning to me that the pastors on that Founders conference panel were relying on Stuckey, knowing she has a large influence, to provide a biblical definition of Godly womanhood and motherhood, and Tom Ascol even casually stated that "Alley has all the answers". It's as if they realize her voice has more weight with the masses of Christian women, specifically her followers, and thus the problem of all this becomes revealed; her voice is preferred over male pastors. Could we be in times of judgement under God like in Judges when God placed Deborah as head and influence over men?

[@michaellautermilch9185]

Yes

[@Jo-anna-Q]

This was kind and very helpful to your sisters in Christ. Agree with and appreciate all of your points. Thank you!

[@RightResponseMinistries]

Thank you so much. Praise God for his faithfulness in helping me to communicate clearly.

[@Soulja4ChristWeAreAtWar]

"There will always be grifters." Well said. I would add, "even grifters that gift in the right direction will have a positive affect."

[@K81620]

Great episode! Please keep speaking the truth and don't let people intimidate you!

[@carloss4465]

Loved Joel's explanation of the "familiar spirits".

[@BelindaTN]

Me too. I have not been able to grasp exactly what is meant by a familiar spirit is. I was also glad the familiar spirits had nothing to do with sourdough. 😅

[@marymack1]

Nice table. 👍

[@RightResponseMinistries]

Appreciate it!

[@jameslogan6286]

Did not disappoint.

[@haroldwalma255]

A couple was asking for marriage advice on Facebook, I told them that a two headed creature is a monster.

[@RightResponseMinistries]

Amen.

[@MisertheWizer]

It's either ahab and jezebel or God's design

[@Brujo2016]

Touche

[@haroldwalma255]

@@RecalledtoLife I didn't say it was wise.

[@Paul-uq4xf]

credit to Voddie Baucham for that one 😉

[@LupinGaius-ls1or]

“Pray” means ask. “Prayer” is the act of asking or petition. Not baptizing children is a novelty and runs contrary to authority within the Christian context and the Trinitarian Baptism is an explicit command in Matthew 28:19.

[@gentledove6804]

Mr. Webbon can TALK! Just teasing…I learned a lot!

[@karihorner8739]

As far as women and chess, I personally have zero interest in it, but I don’t think that makes me less than. Also, who can afford not to work? My husband works incredibly hard but we both have to work.

[@cosmictreason2242]

You do not in fact have to work

[@caitlynyoung1402]

Finally somebody said it! I think she has been a source of light and has worked hard to be faithful, but over the last year or so I've had to stop listening to her simply because every time I listen, something feels off kilter. It's been hard to put my finger on it, but it's felt simply uncomfortable and unenjoyable because of that "thing" that just felt "off." I can see now that this is it, here. This is what I couldn't articulate. So although I do think she has sincerely tried to be faithful, it's almost like, girl, who is leading you in what faithfulness looks like? Because the Word of the Lord is plain to see, is it not? but maybe it's just an area the Lord is working to sanctify her in and I want to be gracious and not act like I'm all the way sanctified, by any. means! ha! But sometimes it's frustrating when "influencers" are so far from older, wiser women (and giving out foolish advice as if it's wise) that it's hard to be patient. (although i try to be in my attitude whenever i come across her stuff, and others like her just trying to be faithful, especially new converts who are on fire in their hearts right now!)

[@avivxtodah]

If men are the superior sex then this nullifies the statement in 1 Peter 3:7 “In the same way, you husbands must give honor to your wives. Treat your wife with understanding as you live together. She may be weaker than you are, but she is your equal partner in God’s gift of new life. Treat her as you should so your prayers will not be hindered.” 🤔 🧐 🤨

[@78musiksphere]

But women are stronger as men lack empathy. Ya’ll are so twisted and xtianity is scary.

[@cosmictreason2242]

BAd translation

[@amandalynnlucarini9517]

For the record…I went from dispensational premillenial Baptist to reformed Baptist to paedobaptist reformed Presbyterian because of my husband’s spiritual leadership. I was not onboard with getting our kiddos baptized when we started attending a Presbyterian church. It’s not always the women who go there first 😂

[@78musiksphere]

You have been brainwashed. Reclaim your power and subdue the male.

[@Jack-rh5ez]

Something seems off with Allie lately. Great points raised guys.

[@RebekkaMH13]

Conflating "traf wife" and "Christian wife" isn't helpful to women who are weak in their conviction & theology. Why not use accurate terms? We're all about Christ, not all about tradition. Those two overlap a lot here, thanks to hundreds of years of Christendom in the west. Praise the Lord. But they aren't the same. Christ doesn't equal tradition. Sourdough making doesn't mean that a woman is a Christian. Let's be clear in the terms we use. This episode should be named "Witchcraft or Christian wife". There are a ton of "trad wife" accounts out there that are unvelievers doing traditional things. They are making the trad wife life an aesthetic end in itself, instead of serving God and serving their husbands. It's idolatry, and while it may be less prevalent in the culture than witchcraft, it is still sinful. Allies audience is much more likely to idolize sourdough than to idolize good luck charms, I'm guessing.

[@garyboulton2302]

I think it could be summed up that not all trad wives are Christian women, but all Christian women are trad wives.

[@RebekkaMH13]

@@garyboulton2302 That depends on what traditions you include in the "trad wife" term. There are Christian traditions, lots of them in the West. But I wouldn't go so far as to say every aspect of the "trad wives" trend is Christian. I don't think it is necessary to curl your hair in a 50s way to be a Christian wife. This is what much of it boils down to - a 50s hair do and an A line dress. Nothing wrong with either, but they're not commanded in scripture. Victorian hair and dress might do just as well ;), but that's not the "trad wife" trend. I agree that Christian wives can't be feminists, or "modern women" in the current cultural sense. I just don't understand why we're trying to call it trad wife instead of using Biblical terms or just calling it "Christian wife".

[@garyboulton2302]

@@RebekkaMH13 I definitely agree with you sister, it’s true that to be a Christian wife is not to be like the trad wives in every way. But I think the image of a trad wife gives an illustration of what it is like to be a Christian woman, even if being a Christian woman is not to be rigidly like the trad wives. Such as the hair and dresses, to be a Christian woman is not to dress like you’re from the 50s but it is to style yourself in a way which is distinctly feminine. I would also say that if a Christian woman wants to be closer to what a biblical woman is, their image of that must first come from the Bible and in as far as it comes from tradition it must go further back than the 50s.

[@RebekkaMH13]

@@garyboulton2302 I appreciate the response, and I think we basically agree. :D I just prefer the term "Christian wife" or "virtuous woman" or something like that for the sake of clarity.

[@garyboulton2302]

@@RebekkaMH13 yeah tbf, you’re right

[@LittleSeasonSurvivor]

Any Christian woman who feels intimidated and "less than" because of the Trad Wife movement has already been feeling that way because of the Proverbs 31 woman....so, the problem is with the woman and her focus on self and underdeveloped servant's heart. I speak from experience, so think twice before coming at me for this statement.

[@78musiksphere]

Except the woman is the one with the complete chromosome XX so she can’t possibly be a servant. Males came out of women XY. Don’t put wool over your eyes. Study science. It will lead you to truth.

[@jewely9757]

I think there are many women who would embrace being a traditional wife. Your time might be better spent sharing with men about the benefits of marriage to a traditional wife. They seem to rather want someone with a big career and paycheck. Many do not want the financial responsibility of supporting a family. Women must feel her and children can trust him to provide and be there for them and he is invested in building a family.

[@caitlynyoung1402]

I think this part of the discussion is more-so pointing to the ways in which women can be tempted and stumble, in regards to male headship in their own marriages. Less about unmarried women, although principles still apply. So in a way, they are directing their efforts, indirectly maybe, to speaking to married men about principles in governing their own households and wives, which i think in turn actually does do what you're advocating for, in terms of speaking to men about traditional wives and wifely/husband roles! (that seems a bit jumbled, but I hope that it was helpful ha!)

[@cryptojihadi265]

No they don't. That's just lies women tell each other.

[@skylinefever]

I often think about how many women loved the old housewife days, and how many just washed down pills with booze to tolerate it. One reason I do not like social conservatism is that it treats life as one size fits all, and thinks making the statistical outlier do as everyone else does will somehow make their life good. I see it as seeing that horse owners being happier than non-owners, then deciding to stick a horse with everyone for the good of everyone.

[@jodya.vonwahl2413]

I haven't watched the full video yet, but I want to comment before I forget and get caught up in other things. Essentially, there are two distinct paths: the right-hand path and the left-hand path. The right-hand path involves submitting to a force outside of oneself, a force greater than oneself with control over oneself, the submission to the one true and living God. On the other hand, the foundation of all witchcraft and occult groups is the left-hand path, which emphasizes the self. When engaging in the supernatural, practitioners seek to control spirits while believing they are in control. However, the reality is that spirits inevitably take control of the practitioner. That's why it is so attractive to modern society because it promises the empowerment of the self without the discipline of submitting to the will of God. Great job, everyone! Keep doing God's work.

[@micahlantz905]

Yes! Cosplay in the right direction! Let's get behind this and push the tradwife trend! It's a good thing!

[@janicenm9147]

Absolutely not and I'm a house wife.

[@InvincibleExtremes]

unfortunately trad wife is just play acting... but at least its putting it into a positive light and hopefully will be for real eventually.

[@mkshffr4936]

Come on Pastor Joel. Covenant Baptism has nothing to do with fear. I came to the conviction of the rightness of Covenant Baptism before my wife and long after our children were young. It is about the biblical covenant as applied to the family unit.

[@JR-rs5qs]

Ditto.

[@micahlantz905]

Yep, pretty sure it was a joke though

[@mkshffr4936]

@@micahlantz905 Probably.

[@JR-rs5qs]

​@mkshffr4936 @micahlantz905 I don't know guys...I watched it again and he was pretty serious. Joel doesn't really do dry humor unless he let's out a chuckle a little afterwards. He was slow, cool and calm in cutting that statement. The guy on the left had kind of a reluctant chuckle. Joel seemed genuinely annoyed with paedobaptism in that context.

[@vladyakubets]

He’s probably saying that this is sometimes the reason for people moving in the infant baptism direction, he’s not the kind to think that’s the case in all situations. You don’t think that’s ever the motivated?

[@BJJwinsAgain]

Pastor Joel: Yes, and amen! ....also: Your "15 second clarification" ran a little longer than 15 seconds lol You have a tendency when on panels to preach and filibuster, often repeating yourself. My advice: Rest in the eloquence of your initial phrasing. It is usually more than eloquent enough. Side Effect: Your guests will also have time to chime in and agree with you ;P

[@RightResponseMinistries]

You’re right. Thank you for your counsel.

[@K81620]

This is off subject, but our fairly conservative church, split off the PCA church, and is getting a pastor. He came yesterday from Dallas Texas. He taught on the law of God in Sunday school and said The only was bad and that's not the correct application of God's law. He also said that many are theonomists in Texas!!! Of course I thought of you! His name is Sterling Tyler

[@paigewells3678]

Just because something makes you feel insecure doesn’t make it harmful. Women need to grow up and be okay with women who are setting the bar high. Trad wife all the way baby ✨✨

[@DeaconBeanCooter]

Women today have more home ownership than men.

[@78musiksphere]

It’s ok to wanna be slave but do not encourage others to submit to your kinky habits.

[@JonCrs10]

Really hate how Tarot can't be used for its proper purpose (purely recreational card games) because of occult twits ruining it for everyone

[@K81620]

Not true about child baptism! My husband changed over and I'm like....hmmm, still not totally convinced! Nice one, Joel

[@RightResponseMinistries]

You’re right. That happens too.

[@cosmictreason2242]

Typical woman not understanding statistics 🙄

[@darrenwise8528]

Could you elaborate a little more on when stretching and yoga overlap, even by accident? There are so many different yoga positions that it feels impossible to completely avoid all of them.

[@inquisitor4635]

Yoga practice, particularly the Hatha variety of yoga, includes stretching for the purpose of physical exercise, fitness and self care. And it can be done by yogis just for that purpose. But yoga is a far more greater system in its entirety than just mere stretching for exercise. In a spiritual or religious context, the yoga positions are also considered body "mudras", with breathing, chants and meditation all used to commune with deities. This communing with deities is definitely at odds with biblical prohibitions and should be avoided by devout Christians. But placing the body in a position with the sole intent and purpose of stretching a muscle and connective tissue is simply... stretching. Many yoga positions are excellent exercises for this purpose from the pure context of exercise physiology. Many "western" stretching and calisthetic exercises that Christiabs "approve" of are descended from systems of Greek and Roman pagan worship as well. And even the Olympic events were at one time done in worship of pagan gods. Does that also mean that the modern day of throwing a javelin or the shot putt in competition is also sinful? If one really wants to split hairs and look back in history, then I could ban many modern secularized activities that most people and Christians engage in on a daily basis to the point of absurdity.

[@DeaconBeanCooter]

​@@inquisitor4635tai chi???? What about tai chi?

[@smokyquartz5817]

This is one of the stupidest things I've ever read. Good day.

[@inquisitor4635]

I do agree that "yoga should be avoided by devout Christians", but with a caveat. Yoga practice in the Orient by its native practitioners, particularly the Hatha variety of yoga, includes stretching for the purpose of physical exercise, fitness and self care. And it can be done by those yogis just for that purpose. But yoga is a far more greater system in its entirety than just mere stretching for exercise. The yoga postures are an inseparable branch or aspect of their spiritual or religious practice/rituals/beliefs, the yoga positions are also considered body "mudras", with breathing, chants and meditation all used to commune with deities. These practices used to commune with deities is definitely at odds with biblical prohibitions and should be avoided by devout Christians. Many western yoga schools and classes will go beyond just physical exercise and incorporate the other spiritual aspects of yoga, and even the New Age, that a Christian should definitely avoid. But now a counterpoint... Placing the body in a position and using leverage with the "sole intent and purpose" of stretching and lengthening a muscle and connective tissue is simply... stretching. Many yoga positions are excellent exercises for this purpose from the pure context of exercise physiology. In fact, the stretching exercise provided by the yoga stretches/positions may be some of the best physical exercise systems ever created. The caveat... Many "western" stretching and calisthetic exercises that Christians "approve" of and promote are actually descended from systems of Greek and Roman pagan belief systems and practices as well. They are now simply normalized and accepted in a secular, non-religious sense and no longer attached to their earlier pagan systems. And even the Olympic events were at one time done in worship of pagan gods. Does that also mean that the modern day of throwing a javelin or the shot putt in competition is also sinful? If one really wants to split hairs and look back in history, then I could ban many modern secularized activities that most people and Christians engage in on a daily basis to the point of absurdity. I am a Christian, physical/manual therapist, exercise physiologist and physical trainer. I do think it is possible to extract benefit from the physical exercise system of yoga in the same way popular "western" secular exercise has also been derived from its earlier pagan systems. But one must do so very specifically so as not to violate biblical prohibitions.

[@DeaconBeanCooter]

Tai Chi is not prohibited by you tho?or is it?

[@gentledove6804]

At this point many Christian women are becoming wives and mothers when they have not seen traditional Christian roles played out in the home, and the trad wife thing can be very helpful to those women who are taking the biblically consistent behaviors to heart and practice and leaving the rest behind.

[@mlwilson2956]

The parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man is based on a Jewish myth. Jesus isn't affirming the myth by using it in a parable. "Abraham's bossom" doesn't exist

[@pipcorteen874]

So really are you saying that we as women are inferior.? My problem has been finding a truly Godly man. They are rare

[@michaellautermilch9185]

Inferior at some things, not at others. You are inferior at being a man and doing a man's role because God has given you different gifts. While this wasn't the main point of the video, still we should each be thankful for how God made us and not jealous of how God made others.

[@78musiksphere]

Christianity is based on myths, misogyny and misleading dogma. Study science. Male’s chromosome is incomplete XY which means they came out of women.

[@78musiksphere]

@@michaellautermilch9185so a male is inferior at being a woman. That’s a bigger minus.

[@mrs.ingham]

Thank you for calling out Megan Basham and Rosaria Butterfield, as well as ABS, for being the mouthpieces of what men rather ought to be teaching from the pulpits and in the home. They themselves may not be egalitarian, but the very nature of their work (which has involved traveling often alone and confronting men at airports or exhorting young men on college campuses) is the fruit of feminist assumptions.

[@hbug13_62]

Actually I'm kind of relieved to see justification for why Allie always irritated me. I wish I could articulate why I automatically distrust most females and why I've hated every women's Bible study I've ever gone to...can't explain why. But when I meet another woman who "gets it" I don't even need to explain. She knows what I mean. 😄

[@nerychristian]

Women will follow whatever is trendy, and whatever will get them approval from others. Right now the trendy thing is to be anti woke and traditional. It gets them views on social media.

[@lindsay.coggin]

Hello friend!! That’s me! Haha. This issue with ABS I’ve tried to ignore. She was very helpful to me in 2020 and right after. I had a lot of catching up to do. I like her interviews the most and have never been big for the rant episodes. I like her instagram posts for information but not when she is arguing. Same irritation. Something just bothers me. Thanks for sharing!

[@nerychristian]

@@RecalledtoLife Because women are good at manipulating people

[@Dandelion0962]

Your appearances and scenery look witchy. Only spiritual head that would approve Satan is Satan.

[@MisertheWizer]

​@RecalledtoLife it's probably because there's a subtle power over the men approach they take to what they do, they turn the liberal activists into Christian activists and instead of prioritizing the home they find a career in something in God's kingdom, it's still kinda feminist in a sense, not that standing against issues is bad but they eventually become authorities over men

[@michaeljohnson2470]

Your definition is too narrow.

[@donjoseph73]

Ya know what’s interesting Copland and the name it claim it crowd say they can control the weather!

[@lepp6598]

No one gave me to my husband. I wasnt owned begore we married.

[@michaellautermilch9185]

That's weird. Where did you come from then, without parents?

[@lepp6598]

@@michaellautermilch9185 who said I didn't have parents? My parents didn't own me.

[@matthewdyer2926]

@@lepp6598If your father was faithful and obedient to God, then he ruled over you and exercised his God-given authority over you for your good. If you were a faithful daughter, then you submitted to that authority. But it sounds like neither of these things are true in your case, which probably makes you a feminist. Sad.

[@lepp6598]

@@matthewdyer2926 My father didn't rule over his family. He treated (and still treats) us with love and compassion. When we chose our spouses, he didn't claim veto power over our choices. My sibling and I both lived on our own before marriage. We were legal adults. We didn't need parental permission to marry.

[@matthewdyer2926]

@@lepp6598 Then he did not love you the way he was commanded in scripture; he loved you with a sentimental love rather than a fatherly, Biblical love. He was spiritually androgynous, and you are living the consequences of his abdication, whether or not you acknowledge it. You’ve embraced egalitarian heresy, and that’s proof enough. The issue you’re having is that your worldview in this regard is shaped by your culture and fancy rather than God’s word. Your position is indistinguishable from that of any given unbeliever. As for the “veto power” he chose not to exercise, that is spoken to directly in God’s word; see Numbers 30:3-15. That is the “veto power”. Which your father (and husband) are commanded to exercise over you if they deem it necessary. My suggestion, _if_ you consider yourself a Christian, is to learn what God says on these matters, and submit yourself to it.

[@edeancozzens3833]

Read NIHILISM by Eugene Rose.

[@B3AST89]

This was an OK conversation. Something seemed off with Joel's contributions, though. He just seemed to be vomiting discourse, and it would take a looooong time for him to circle back to the initial point he was trying to make. By the time he gets there, you've almost forgotten the actual topic at hand. Very strange.

[@smokyquartz5817]

It's the progression of Narcissism. There's alot to research it online if you're interested.

[@Jesussavioursonofgod]

Is it possible from the reformed perspective that Jesus commanding power over the storm was a sign of Him being given authority over the earth once again as opposed to Satan? Not sure if I'm wording this clearly but whereas Adam lost the kingdom when he sinned, Christ as the second Adam redeemed it back and is given all authority (symbolized by Him sitting down at the right hand of the Father in Heaven)?

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

Adam never had a kingdom. Had he resisted Satan's attempt at deceiving him, Adam would have qualified to replace Satan as the ruler of this world. And even though Christ successfully qualified to replace Satan and was given all authority, He will NOT officially become the ruler of this world until He returns. Until then, this is STILL Satan's world. Christ did NOT redeem the world. He made it possible for _people_ to be reconciled to God.

[@Jesussavioursonofgod]

​@@theeternalsbeliever1779thank you

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@theeternalsbeliever1779you just said false teaching. Genesis 1 gives Adam dominion over the universe, Genesis 3 curses everything under his dominion Because of his actions

[@gentledove6804]

I hate this feminism that seeks to come between husband and wife and assumes the worst regarding the husband’s motives. Is not the Biblical understanding that a wife is as precious to her husband as his own body? Is he not her loving head? Is she not bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh? Are they not of one mind in Christ? We really need to get back to Scripture, enough of the nonsense! Yes, there is sometimes sin and friction between husband and wife. That’s for them to work out Biblically together, under Christ, with kindness, understanding, confession of sin, and forgiveness. Not worldly, feministic pop-psychology poppycock!

[@schebaniapinchinat1108]

What's trad- wife?

[@ReformationRamblings]

It’s a counter cultural internet trend where women adopt a 60s domestic lifestyle. They make homemade meals, dress up in aprons, do their hair in fancy buns, etc. Part of it is just “playing dress up” but part of it is a good desire to return to a domestic lifestyle. The concern by Allie Beth Stuckey though is that people will equate quaint dresses and being able to make good sourdough with genuine sanctification. I think both sides have good points, but I mostly agree with Joel.

[@schebaniapinchinat1108]

@@ReformationRamblings thanks for the response. I have been staying home with my son and Elderly mom since 2020, and it has been such a blessing to our family.

[@bsouth7944]

No women in your panel. Red flag to me.

[@michaellautermilch9185]

Lol 😂

[@janicenm9147]

All conservatives. Of curse they are going to love the trad wives propaganda 😂

[@cryptojihadi265]

Bwa ha ha haaaaa

[@cosmictreason2242]

Women are forbidden by God from teaching men, so green flag for me

[@FITSOZOLIFE]

TOOLS AND INCANTATIONS to access spiritual powers. you need an entire episode on this September morning live on tv in a school classroom, pet goat inverted i) KITE ii) PLANE iii) MUST iv) HIT v) STEEL

[@TwentyTwoThirtyThree]

George Witchcraft Bush? Scary how many people don't know the reality behind all of that.

[@K81620]

And my husband would ask, why can't women drive??? 😂

[@cosmictreason2242]

Because their sexual ontology is not oriented outward to the world but inward to the home. So men have better situational awareness and women are more attuned to the unspoken needs of infants and the infirm.

[@JR-rs5qs]

It's not that we need assurances. We believe the Scriptures that our children are holy and so we apply the formal covenant sign to them and raise them in the Lord. It's you baptists who need an exhortation that your children are holy. You deny them formal, visible citizenship in God's assembly.

[@cosmictreason2242]

Was the holy water the priests used in the old covenant water that was forgiven of its sins and adopted by God and going to heaven? Or does Holy perhaps not mean saved/in covenant with God, in every use? 🤔

[@JR-rs5qs]

@@cosmictreason2242 holy doesn't mean saved.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@JR-rs5qs the covenant sign is given to those in the covenant and the new covenant is exclusively with the redeemed, that's why it's a greater covenant because it saves all who belong to it whereas the Old did not

[@JR-rs5qs]

@cosmictreason2242 You cannot be sure That you only baptize redeemed people and I don't think you are reading the passages about the New Covenant correctly. Under your logic the New Covenant is worse than the old because of how exclusive it is. Based on your theology there's not even a proper place for apostates because you don't believe that they are part of the Covenant in any way. I believe they receive a harsher judgment because they are part of the Covenant in some way. I used all the same kind of arguments you're using when I was a Baptist for 20 years.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@JR-rs5qs do you believe that there are fewer people redeemed than there are people who are fallen, or not? Then you believe that the covenant of grace is more exclusive than the covenant of works. The new covenant is better than the old because it has better promises: the one who is in this new covenant is promised to be saved, but those under the old covenant could still be damned. It didn't provide salvation to those who were members of it

[@user-hh8hw2wj9b]

Hook up culture is also prevalent

[@K81620]

I rhink yoga would qualify for witchcraft

[@lepp6598]

Sourdough is more dangerous than demons, since sourdough is real and demons are not.

[@michaellautermilch9185]

The demons Jesus cast out were real. As was the sourdough He may have eaten.

[@user-gs6bt1ko2i]

"Gentlemen, I regret to inform you....men." I daresay we will never hear that topic, and if we do, Joel will still blame women for all the ills and sins of men.

[@RightResponseMinistries]

Yes, men are sinners. We’ve heard that topic for decades.

[@user-gs6bt1ko2i]

@@RightResponseMinistries We haven't heard it from you.

[@garyboulton2302]

@@user-gs6bt1ko2iWhy is it that once women are held accountable, some people want to draw attention back to men? Strange.

[@user-gs6bt1ko2i]

@@garyboulton2302 Strange. Why is it that once men are held accountable, some people want to draw attention back to women? See how that works?

[@garyboulton2302]

@@user-gs6bt1ko2i Nah it doesn’t work because men are always held accountable, even when women are in the wrong it is somehow the man’s fault. This is just a fact and you know it. Women need to be held accountable in the same way men are and have been. Preaching against the sins of women shouldn’t be met by hostility and whataboutisms like what you are doing.

[@smokyquartz5817]

These are not joyful, Christ filled men. I pity the wives and children they are failing.

[@gollum8615]

Listen to the way Fr Josian Trentham talks about women, even when specifically addressing their weaknesses. It's possible to honor and respect women without pandering.

[@JR-rs5qs]

Joel, I am leading my wife toward paedobaptsim, buddy.

[@RightResponseMinistries]

Great. Well done.

[@JR-rs5qs]

@RecalledtoLife I don't have that problem. But women follow their husbands. Even if she still disagreed, it's my prerogative as father. And if one doesn't think I have that authority, they are definitely making an unbiblical division of the family, hierarchy. It's thoroughly Biblical, by the way.

[@JR-rs5qs]

@@RecalledtoLife how long have you been an egalitarian?

[@JR-rs5qs]

@RecalledtoLife sorry, not egalitarian...I meant feminist since it's pretty obvious you think wife/mom has veto power.

[@JR-rs5qs]

@RecalledtoLife your questions are all about undermining God's good design for the family, causing division. They undercut the husband wife relationship and husbandly authority. Probably because you're a credobaptist (I have credobaptis creds, too) and if you can catch a paedobaptist overriding his wife's belief on the matter, you can allege whatever. I wasn't going to play along to prove I'm not a bad husband even if I ultimately make a decision my wife doesn't agree with. Even Joel instructed his wife not to read a paedobaptist book until he was ready to read it with her; this is his authority and I agree with it. Are you going to criticize him for that?

[@DeaconBeanCooter]

Hey Joel there is no Greek word for wife. It's only women. That's the word Gune. (Again, there should be some bar to become a pastor... A general understanding of the original language would be helpful). 😊 Joel, there is no possessive pronoun in that verse either, so it's not 'his woman'.... It's LIKEWISE WOMEN...

[@wescreedle9801]

Doesn't a Greek lexicon translates γυνή as either "woman" or "wife" depending on context? How would you then translate 1 Tim. 3:25 using the possessive and even specifically feminine-inclusive pronoun ὁ (as in ὁ γυνή)?

[@DeaconBeanCooter]

@@wescreedle9801 o is not a possessive pronoun

[@wescreedle9801]

@@DeaconBeanCooter How would it be written in the possessive?

[@thereisnopandemic]

You reject infant baptism, you reject Covenant Theology, disqualifying you from being Reformed. Acts 2:38 38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your CHILDREN! But you Baptist add to Gods word “ The promise is for you and your children if your children believe, if they do not believe at the age of accountability then the promise is only for you. That is not how God has ever worked, when he made the Covenant promise to Abraham Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac both received the sign of Gods covenant. So did Jacob and Esau received the sign of Gods covenant. You guys at not Reformed, you are Calvinistic like Dr James white but not Reformed. Find a new name for your belief system.

[@shawndick4690]

Ah, says the Presbyterian, but the fact that it's not just for us and our children, but also for those that are far off does not negate the fact that the promise of the covenant still is for our children:) and what is that promise? Same as the promise to Abraham, "I will be God to you, and to your children after you, and I'll give you the earth." The concept of covenant continuity, plus many OT passages talking about the inclusion of our children, plus many NT passages affirming the inclusion of our children, presents a very convincing argument for the Presbyterian side. And just remember, my baptist brawler friend, when you pray with your little children and you say "our Father who art in heaven..." instead of "mom and dad's father who art in heaven..." you are living according to the Presbyterian model;)

[@RebekkaMH13]

I don't know any Baptist Church that has a rule of not baptising someone until they're 18. I was baptized as a child, meaning I wasn't an adult yet. My parents raised me in the nurture and admonition of the Lord, I was saved early (as is to be expected, and praise the Lord for that!), and I was baptized. Baptists baptize their children too, just not right after they're born. They don't turn the order upside down in order to give some meaningless, outward sign of a non-exist covenant. I had everything growing up that a baptized baby would have, except the baptism. And that was right, since I was a little bundle of sin loving my sin. The claim that a baptized baby gets something covenanty that an unbaptized child in a faithful Christian home doesn't get is simply wrong. Presbyterians, going by their logic, would have to baptize unbelieving wives, too. "They're a part of the household" and so on... It just doesn't go with what Jeremiah 31 says about the new covenant. Despite Presbyterians always claiming to read the Old Testament and understanding it so much better... And don't get me started on the sprinkling. No one can read the new Testament, look up the Greek words and think "this means a bunch of water drops on the head". If Presbyterians can't read "immersion" and understand it, how can anyone trust their complex "explanation" on why unbelievers should be baptized? ...

[@user-vf4hd6cp5v]

That's a fine strawman you've got there, sir.

[@gentledove6804]

People who believe that covenant baptism is believer’s baptism, as taught in Scripture, are more Reformed away from the pseudo-Christian cult of Roman Catholicism than those who believe covenant baptism is sprinkling the infants of believers. Baptism is a covenantal church ordinance or sacrament, not a covenantal family one.

[@DeaconBeanCooter]

1 Tim 3:11. LIKEWISE WOMEN. The church has failed women. RRM continues to fail women in their deaconstance. Women ARE magic. Daniel was the master of magicians, who used specific tools for magic activities. Make a wizard Presbyterian next. As if the church has any authority left with women, single people, and the next generation.

[@nerychristian]

How often are you going to post your boring comments?

[@DeaconBeanCooter]

​@@nerychristianwhy do you hate the Logos?