Wizard of Oz and The Oz Books: Everything You Didn't Know | SYFY WIRE

Sure, everyone knows about Dorothy, Toto and the slippers. But how much do you know about the book series that spawned the movie? There's an incredibly important talking chicken named Billina. for starters.
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More About the Wizard of Oz: The Wizard of Oz is a 1939 American musical fantasy comedy-drama film produced by Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, and the best-known and most commercially successful adaptation based on the 1900 novel The Wonderful Wizard of Oz by L. Frank Baum.[4] The film stars Judy Garland as Dorothy Gale. The co-stars are Ray Bolger, Jack Haley, Bert Lahr, Frank Morgan, Billie Burke, and Margaret Hamilton, with Charley Grapewin, Pat Walshe and Clara Blandick, Terry the dog (billed as Toto), and the Singer Midgets as the Munchkins.
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[@AdamYJ]

"And the second book is where things get weird." Yeah, because the first one was so normal. We're just used to the stuff in the first book because of the movie.

[@meloniwinter226]

There's a LOT more plot points that are different between the book and the movie for Wizard of Oz other than fighting the spider. Legit 90% of the book is left out.

[@AtlanticGiantPumpkin]

Meloni Winter The Kalidah, the mouse army, the china dolls, the south witch, those weird Boulder things, and most importantly, Dorothy saving her own ass and none of it is a dream. I'm still pretty about so much of the book being cut to this day. Victor Fleming also directed Gone With the Wind, which is FOUR HOURS LONG!!!! So why he cut so much of the original book is beyond me.

[@CoopyKat]

This is SO true Meloni, there is TONS more in the book, "Chinaland" - a land full of people made of china, the mice that saved the day in the poppy field (not snow)...the tiger/bear creatures...the river incident.......SO much more than what was in the movie. But the movie would have to be in 6 parts to get everything from the book!

[@amandachwa211]

Also the mountain of hammerheads, the huge hole across the yellow brick road, the witch of the north (who is a different character than Glinda), the witch using wolves, bees and crows to attack Dorothy before resorting to the winged monkeys, the winged monkeys being controlled by the golden cap, etc. etc. etc.

[@musicbox193]

@@CoopyKat From what I understand it is almost as if the book needed to be itself separated books. There is too much happening between each climax.

[@ryansballparkjourney]

I’m on the mend after a surgery yesterday and figured I’d listen to some books as I relax. Wonderful Wizard of Oz was an option and yeah, I’m like WTF?

[@h193013]

Maybe Netflix could turn the books into a TV show like they did with A Series of Unfortunate Events

[@joshimations894]

YEEEESSSSS PLEASE THAT WOULD BE SOOOOO GOOD

[@LatinaWednesday]

Every season could be a different book!

[@Shamanscircle1]

I'm not sure that Netflix would be the best people to do that.

[@h193013]

@@Shamanscircle1 If not Netflix then who?

[@PracticalBibleStudies]

@@h193013 Jon Favro, the guy who did The Mandalorian.

[@AngeloThomas]

The author's name is L. Frank Baum, not "Frank L. Baum."

[@whyiamafs]

True! [the L stands for Lyman]

[@melissacooper4482]

Baum didn't like being called Lyman. His friends and family called him by his middle name Frank.

[@edwardlecore141]

I constantly make that mistake.

[@ethanomcbride]

😂

[@thomasboehnlein5205]

Just need Netflix to make an anime that is a straight forward adaptation of the book series.

[@h193013]

Thomas Boehnlein There was one, if was four seasons and each season was a different book

[@hardluck8732]

what was it called?

[@h193013]

Hard Luck I think it was just called The Wonderful Wizard of Oz

[@misterdent9413]

h193013 It was an anime actually, although that is the American title. It was 52 episodes in total, if I recall correctly... but it skipped from Ozma of Oz to The Emerald City of Oz, and made numerous changes along the way.

[@UltimateFathoms]

I think that would be awesome. The books are so imaginative and interesting

[@whyiamafs]

You forgot 'Little Wizard Stories of Oz' - it's a collection of short stories, but it's by L. Frank Baum, I don't know why it's never considered part of the canon...

[@amandachwa211]

There's also Sea Fairies and Sky Island, which do not mention Oz but relate how Trot and Cap'n Bill know about faries and why they know Button Bright prior to Scarecrow of Oz. The children wrote to Baum and told Baum to bring Trot and Cap'n Bill to Oz because of these two books.

[@jonathanmarkoff4469]

@@amandachwa211 And the tales of Burzee, Merryland, Ix, Mo, and Noland, which were folded into the Ozziverse.

[@ColonelFredPuntridge]

Have you read the "Little Wizard Stories"? If you read them, you'll see why they're not considered part of the canon.

[@StickBodGoth]

*If I had a dollar, every time I heard OZ.* *I would be the riches person in OZ*

[@amandachwa211]

In Book 7, it is not a "couple" that get turned into marble. It is the boy's uncle and also the wife of the magician who made the powder of life. The boy then goes on the quest while the magician starts making the powder of life again, just in case he fails on his quest, as the powder takes many years to make.

[@caseyjohnson695]

Good sign: the first thing the video tells us is incorrect. L. Frank Baum.

[@kskess]

Thank you for this summary. I read several of those books as a child and was so emersed in them. I got to know that Oz was divided into four sectors surrounding the emerald city, and Oz was surrounded by a deadly desert. Munchkin land was blue, Winnie land was yellow (?), and the others I can't recall and have to Google lol.

[@mrcydonia]

I've heard that Tik-Tok was basically the first robot, i.e. mechanical man, in literature.

[@jonathanmarkoff4469]

Talos was the first robot in literature, in the ancient Greek stories. I'm sure there precedents of Tik-Tok in Victorian literature too.

[@ColonelFredPuntridge]

@@jonathanmarkoff4469 But Tik-Tok was the first purely mechanical humanoid robot whose components included no living tissue who was capable of reasoning and of/ ordinary, conversational speech.

[@johnnehrich9601]

I love the constant references to living things that aren't really living - Tik-Tok does everything but live. The scarecrow and tin woodsman are not "meat animals" so they don't eat or sleep, nor do they need to.

[@meloniwinter226]

There are actually 40 books that are canon, it's just that only the first 14 were written by L. Frank Baum. There's also multiple short stories related to the universe and it's characters.

[@crazypotterhead4705]

It really depends on who you ask. Some think own Baum’s are canon, others think Baum’s and Thompson’s are canon, and some thing all 40 are canon.

[@howiecricket52]

Lyman (L) Frank Baum (Not Frank L Baum), Glinda The Good Witch Of The SOUTH (Not North) is found in a book chapter "Away To The South" AFTER they melt the Wicked Witch Of The West, the book has Kalidahs, part tiger/part bear, which I figure is why in the movie they chant Lions & Tigers & Bears Oh My!

[@austinrenteria]

I definitely got to read these books now.

[@ZsaZsaUmbra]

There are so many errors in this video.

[@melissacooper4482]

The search for Princess Ozma was changed in the movie. Instead of Mombi performing a gender change spell to turn Tip into Ozma Mombi enchants Ozma into a mirror. Dorothy simply reaches her hand into the mirror and pulls Ozma out.

[@jonathanmarkoff4469]

Most movies and tv shows with Ozma leave out her transgender angle.

[@tibs7777]

I want a series!! Do it SyFy!!!

[@tibs7777]

You can intermingle the plots to get characters in earlier and include the other books about Trot and Capn Bill!! I'd help script it!!

[@whyiamafs]

Same Here/Me Too!! I want in on this! [THANK YOU for acknowledging these books EXIST!! #OzFandomUnite!!!]

[@paulanthonyhoeflich8988]

Yesssss !!!!!

[@paxhumana2015]

@@tibs7777 , some of the people that made the Wild Arms JRPG series also made a JRPG of The Wizard of Oz.

[@jamesflanagan7693]

No surprises? No major changes? Lol! I haven't even read the book but I know from various OZ documentaries that the shoes were silver, the witches weren't sisters, the tin man had chopped his own limbs off one at a time, there were mice and an army of wolves that the tin man slaughtered with his axe. Lots of difference!

[@egojames007]

I was in Love with the books from the Wizard of Oz. I read them all. I knew each Oz Character like you were talking about an old family member. I am going to re-read them again. I miss my love of Oz. I think from 1968-1973 were my intense Oz Book reading years. I remember wanting to read the other OZ books from the other authors, and the city of Signal Hill, CA had them in the public library. I went and read the books, and I loved the way the other authors took OZ. I was really, really into Oz. All the characters she names and talks about, I knew them well. All of them. I had to comment.

[@rebekahedmunds7542]

Have you ever checked out The Audiobook Collection? They are all there, the 14 at least

[@cjbird7121]

Difference in the first book is that the flying monkeys weren’t evil. They were under a spell of the wicked witch and had to do her bidding. No word of the creepy army of evil little girls with their stabby knitting needles

[@jonathanmarkoff4469]

I loved Jinjur's army, and wrote a story where they get a comeuppance much more deserved than what Baum wrote.

[@leoinsf]

Thank you for giving us a quick overview of the Oz books. Is it possible to get a more expanded overview sometime? I love the Oz series but refuse to start to read the whole series.

[@joecascone2189]

Nice to dedicate a post to these books, but if one is going to do an assessment on the series, one could be expected to at least get the titles right (not to mention the name of the author!). Correct titles would include "Dorothy and the Wizard IN Oz" (not "of Oz"), ditto "Rinkitink IN Oz" and "The LOST Princess of Oz!" Not much to expect, really. (Also, the lead female character in "The Tin Woodman of Oz" is "Nimmee-Amee", not "Nimme-Anne.")

[@cherylcampbell9369]

The flying thing is the Gump.

[@ghostface_tardis]

Hope the new reboot recreates these books

[@judahosborne8868]

I can't wait to get the full collection of this series!

[@susanstorm7910]

Would looooove to see Locasta / Tatypoo in more iterations bc her protection kiss made me cry bc it’s sweet asf

[@thisismaribethe]

Excellent summary!!!

[@TheNotverysocial]

I read the original 1900 novel well before I even knew the film existed. Mum exposed me to it at a young age, and have never liked the film as much as most people as a result. I never read the sequels. No major changes to the plot? The entire journey south the see Glinda after Dorothy missed the balloon chasing after Toto, as the good witches of the north and south were separate entities, and she only met the former at the beginning, the latter near the end Isn't a major shift? And the skills and knowledge of the north witch weren't on par with Glinda's, so she couldn't help Dot the way Glinda could have had she met her first.

[@crushedscouter9522]

Lol no thats not a major shift. Also, be less dooshy

[@PanosKaplanis1]

Prequel alternate OZ books written by the cousin from L.Frank Baum may be more interesting even than the original, because they focus on the witches rival and present us unknown witches that don't exist in Baum stories.

[@astralwizard85]

I can't find any references online to this . Do you know the cousin's name?

[@PanosKaplanis1]

Τarl Telford

[@rcruz4510]

Please get the titles correct: "Rinkitink IN Oz"and "The LOST Princess of Oz". Also, "Tik Tok of Oz" took its plot from a failed musical play that Baum produced in hopes of creating another "Wizard of Oz" musical, "The Scarecrow of Oz" took its plot from a movie Baum produced that was not successful and "Rinkitink IN Oz" was originally a non-Oz book by Baum but, needing money, he changed the ending and made it an "Oz" book for financial reasons.

[@Dr.MantisTobogganMD]

I just believe this is all an acid trip of some teenager from the 30s.

[@228westend]

i feel like the ones after L.Frank Baum died were some of the most absurd OZ books (i love all of them)

[@jamesa.fitzpatrick1566]

Less than a minute in and there are so many factual errors! Frank L. Baum? Most people think only his books are canon? Who researches this stuff??

[@lifeinconfidence]

Nice, all the books presented by Dorothy in person.

[@danotazmedia]

I think we are the books should be adapted into like some sort of mini series with the multiple seasons for each book

[@stakkzz]

I've been wanting to make a story and adaptation to these books but space themed let me know if your interested in throwing out some ideas for them because this is a good idea

[@jacobbean4003]

Nimmie Amee. Not Anne

[@OrchestrationOnline]

Thanks for not making this into a glitzy puff piece with a commercial-radio sounding announcer, because Baum would have hated that. What would he have loved? A child reader talking about his books. But this narrator's fine.

[@richardranke3158]

When I was in 3rd grade I read an abridged Ozma of Oz and loved it. I found out later how many Oz books there were...and read more.:-)

[@bethbartlett5692]

It wasn't "the Shoes" - *"its the Thoughts that took her to her desire", Quantum Physics, "Universal Law of Attraction"* Precision Focal Point Few get this ...

[@artdanks4846]

Few get it because it's as much fantasy and fairy tale as thinking the shoes did it.

[@bethbartlett5692]

@@artdanks4846 "It is Quantum Physics Science, not Philosophy" - Albert Einstein (Argue the point with a Genius and Physicist, "I rest my facts on the Resources", those of Peer Reviewed, Journal Published, Science.) ...checkmate 😁😉

[@sin-t]

Fun Fact: in the first book of Oz the Scarecrow snaps the necks of the crows. I had no reason to say this, just wanted to traumatize some people

[@TJS-Real-]

Jokes on you I’ve read the book

[@13Kr4zYAzN13]

Lies of P seems to be pointing to Wizard of Oz as a potential sequel material, so I'm on board for this 👍

[@elphiegleason3899]

Can’t wait to see how and if Wicked some aspects of Baum’s canon into the movie

[@browngreen933]

Incredible they all haven't been turned into movies. Instead Hollywood just turns out stupid remakes.

[@dillygdrums256]

I might have to read these now

[@SeasonedDame]

I Love the Return to Oz! My favorite movie

[@dragonlex4]

There was a stop motion Russian movie on Tip's story but it had Dorothy in it and her supposed grandpa.

[@mykeeoz84]

411: The official Oz canon is 40 books. Not just the first 14.

[@crazypotterhead4705]

That depends on who you ask.

[@crushedscouter9522]

Nope. Many people only consider the first 14 canon. Rightfully so

[@aaronapolsky8554]

the movie return to oz both traumatized me and was very insightful to further book events

[@fleasname]

I loved return to oz, I think it still holds up.

[@johnnehrich9601]

All the books, at least all the ones written by Baum, had their copyright expire, so they are in the public domain. Easy to find them on-line, complete with the original drawings (which were a totally important component of the stories).

[@disneystories8642]

Do four books for each of the first three seasons and do two books for the last season with 20 episodes each season all have a run time of 25-30 minutes

[@jyosongurung5583]

Santa and a poor boy in a bubble is in one of them.😂

[@MooTelevision]

Ozma of Oz is my absolute favorite book.

[@PanosKaplanis1]

I think that many of the books should be turn into movies. But it is difficult, I think. That has many demands and means much work.

[@PeterKimTX]

Where can one find a complete collection at a reasonable price? Not interested in a first edition; only a complete collection from the same print run*

[@artdanks4846]

If you don't mind an electronic version, Kindle has the complete collection of Baum's 14 books in ONE Kindle book for only 99 cents!!

[@richardranke7878]

Tik Tok might be considered the first literary robot.

[@bethgott9768]

Best ..Joyce swims in a tube surround

[@davidlevesque6532]

Since most are familiar with Dot Gale, I'd say next movie should be book #14.

[@stakkzz]

I want to make a comic that stays true to the events of the book with some slight modern adapttions or a wizard of oz that is based in spaced.. any ideas, concepts, whatever are welcomed

[@billwenham]

There already was an award-winning faithful comic adaptation that covered the first five books.

[@jamiesaunders3441]

Everything you didn't know? Check this out: "The Secret Of Oz" by Ben Still. He explains the hidden meanings. Very interesting!

[@timmy-the-ute2725]

What is cannon and what is not is a bit difficult. But after the 14 Baum books there are 26 other books mostly written by Ruth Plumly Thompson for a total of 40 recongnized cannon books. Books after that are not generally considered not cannon but often because cannon was no longer important. Mainly because there is little as far as copyright to regulate it. The main characters of the early books are totally open to the public domain. It is kind of just fan fiction now.

[@mazoku112]

Return to Oz is the most accurate in tone

[@lb5047]

I've never seen return to us but I've read the book it's a really good book and you should read it you know it's the same story just I guess not a straw I don't know but probably not as traumatizing as the movie unless they're equal

[@jennifercalkins9223]

let me know about maga squirel vs. Dino chipmonk. telling you I haven't heard about that one yet.

[@joecascone2189]

An incredibly flawed and uninformed assessment of the books... particularly the first one. Wow!

[@ColonelFredPuntridge]

Rinkitink IN Oz, dear. He's not _"of_ Oz". Then again, he's not _in_ Oz much either - almost the entire book takes place outside the land of Oz. But the title of the book is RINKITINK _IN_ OZ. This book also contains more nods to Wagner: surely the inspiration for the dialogue in which Bilbil the goat begs Rinkitink to stop singing stupid little songs (Bilbil is very irritable and very outspoken about his master's singing) is inspired by the scene at the end of Act 2 of _DIE MEISTERSINGER VON NÜRNBERG_ in which Beckmesser begs Hans Sachs to stop singing working-songs so that he (Beckmesser) can sing a serenade to the love-interest.

[@gionnijohnson408]

I like the books a lot more better and they ARE better than the movie because in the books we get to see more characters, creatures, and world building and we also get to explore the places and lands and more character growth and more adventures.

[@cedricburkhart3738]

Well I never saw it but I know the books.

[@youngsplitterr]

Wonder if this video will talk about the theories that people have about the first book being about various social and political issues from the time when the book was written.

[@youngsplitterr]

2:05 AGAIN, “Return to Oz” was never scary to me as a child. Thrilling, ethereal and suspenseful yes, but not “traumatizing” at all.

[@RobbieBlue]

The classic is the best version theatrically speaking

[@karlstengel2648]

L. Frank Baum, not Frank L. Baum

[@briandaleske5139]

I think some network, should think about making a (R)rated (WIZARD OF OZ) show, that’s based on the original (Wizard Of Oz) books stories. In addition I think that, either the HBO channel, or the PARAMOUNT+ network, or maybe the PEACOCK network One of these networks, should showcase, the (WIZARD OF OZ) show series on it.

[@ANGEL_BOB_YT]

You're right, the meaning of "Oz" in The Wizard of Oz is a bit of a mystery. There are several theories, but none of them are definitive. Ounces: One theory is that "Oz" is an abbreviation for ounces, which is a unit of measurement for gold and silver. In the Land of Oz, gold and silver are often used as currency, so it would make sense for the name of the land to be related to these metals. Ozma: Another theory is that "Oz" is a reference to Ozma, the rightful ruler of the Land of Oz. Ozma is a young girl who is also a powerful sorceress. She is often referred to as "the girl in the emerald city," and her name is an anagram of "Oz." Oscar Zoroaster: The Wizard of Oz's real name is Oscar Zoroaster Phadrig Isaac Norman Henkle Emmanuel Ambrose Diggs. His initials spell out "OZPINHEAD," so it's possible that he chose to shorten his name to "Oz" as a way of avoiding the nickname "Pinhead." It's also possible that the name "Oz" has no specific meaning at all. L. Frank Baum, the author of The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, may have simply chosen the name because it sounded good. Ultimately, the meaning of "Oz" in The Wizard of Oz is up to the reader's interpretation. It could be a reference to ounces, Ozma, Oscar Zoroaster, or something else entirely. The beauty of the story is that it is open to multiple interpretations.

[@369frequencyandvibration]

Kansas was called "The land of Ahhs"

[@theflyingninja1]

There's no info here that can't be gleaned from just reading the books.

[@crushedscouter9522]

This is one of the dumbest, dooshiest comments I’ve ever read.

[@AlcyoneSong]

Hmmmm maybe syfy

[@77blaidddrwg]

She forgot to mention Jinjur in book 2 insighting a gender war in emerald city and made all the men do the chores and housework.

[@jonathanmarkoff4469]

Jinjur is an extreme badass. Her comeuppance was disappointingly anticlimactic, so I wrote a story recently where she gets the ending she deserves.

[@HoboRoadrunner]

1. You got the Arthur's name wrong 2. There's over 150 wizard of Oz books and all are considered canon

[@crushedscouter9522]

Both of these are incorrect lol. Dooshbag

[@charlesarnold1953]

The 1st 40 are officially considered the canon.The International Wizard of Oz Club has published other Oz books written by authors in the canon of 40.And Sherwood Smith has written 3 Oz books in the last decade that the Baum Trust has added to the canon.

[@ezcleghorn4025]

I need to know some thing I just really need to know one thing. Someone please reply to this, and if I don’t reply, it’s because for some reason blind people talking technology will not allow me to reply to comments. In the book that I mentioned above where Dorothy comes to America, it says that Glenda put Oz into a parallel universe. The only thing that I truly want to know is, in the 14 original books is Oz still technically as fantastic as it is on earth that is to say if you flew far enough or were picked up by a tornado you would end up there? That parallel universe thing is the weirdest thing of everything I just heard. Someone please tell me.

[@bethgott9768]

I love..so the name starts with P?

[@jonathanmarkoff4469]

Since all of Baum's writing is in the public domain, anyone is free to publish their own stories about the characters and settings.

[@WTSD850]

fun fact marvel actually adapted th first 6 books into number of miniseries for each book

[@17-MASY]

00:50 is that a JoJo reference

[@patrickswayze7532]

Which book has the cowardly lion?

[@amandachwa211]

He's in the first book as part of Dorothy's party. In book 3, he and the Hungry Tiger pull Ozma's chariot, but do not assist with changing people back from being ornaments (they wait outside, I think). In the other books he's usually seen pulling the chariot with Hungry Tiger. In Tik Tok of Oz (book 8) he has an argument with Hank the mule, who ways Betsy Bobbin is the sweetest girl ever, and the sawhorse, who says Ozma is the best. The Lion declares Dorothy to be the sweetest of the girls, but then all 3 girls show up and tell them to knock it off and be friends.

[@desertrose0601]

Actually that’s not true. The Baum family has authorized a few dozen more as canon Oz books as well. Do your research please before spouting your made-up opinions.

[@crushedscouter9522]

Lol not made up at all. Many many people only consider the original 14 canon. Do your research before being a doosh

[@geanmendes3888]

I like more the first, and the second and the third book because have a talking yellow chicken and a magic princess named ozma Is very magical after I read the seven and the eight book of the patchwork girl and the tik-tok.

[@lazlow8788]

I read all the oz books Baum wrote before his death and to be honest they just got weirder and strangers and I mostly forgot what the stories were about. Personally I think he should have just stopped after the sixth book. The rest weren't as good.

[@jonathanmarkoff4469]

But he gave a sandbox full of toys for other authors to play with.

[@williamdogan1149]

Dorothy's silver shoes fall off in the desest on her way bsck to Kansas!

[@cornellmelton1171]

Well I heard about the dark originals.

[@RocoWolf]

Did No one watch Emerald City (TV show)??

[@GleeChan]

Probably not... which is why it's not on TV anymore.

[@jonathanmarkoff4469]

@@GleeChan Such a beautiful show with great performances and settings, but a dreadfully dull script.

[@KimsLantern]

I don’t know if this series could be adaptable- it seems too flippin’ weird. Lol.

[@Bighuge12]

L frank baum you have images on screen that say it

[@sshadyh]

did she seriously just say Frank L Baum?

[@jennifercalkins9223]

ha ha

[@sadribrown4219]

I heard it was about the government, the gold standard and we the people expecting the government to help us when we really need to help ourselves.

[@dannierichie5084]

He as drunk when he wrote it huh

[@TheNashNetwork]

Fetish for turning people into knick knacks? 😳

[@Sniperk1ng187]

Dorthory's Bizzare Adventures IS THAT A JOJO REFERENCE??

[@tootiefruity1197]

She’s wrong, I have no idea what the Wizard of Oz is about.I Haven’t seen the book or movie.

[@ANGEL_BOB_YT]

There's no democracy anyway here

[@Montork]

Only 14 Hahahaha There where 40

[@crushedscouter9522]

Are you slow?

[@Montork]

@@crushedscouter9522 ????? there are 40 canon oz books.

[@Montork]

@Noah Scheid i suppose?

[@charlesarnold1953]

Some only want to accept Baum's 14 books as the only truly Oz books.He is the original creator & father of Oz,but in organizations,for example,i.e.,The International Wizard of Oz club,they consider the "Famous Forty" to be canon.What I say is read them & just enjoy the amazing fantasy world.

[@Montork]

@@charlesarnold1953 .... he didn't write all of those 14 though.. so.... if peeps are going by what baulm wrote only.. might as well include queen ix of zix and that sort..

[@grimlyfiendish5579]

Tim Burton is such a thief.

[@jonathanmarkoff4469]

@@Gundam79 Tim Burton said that Jack Skellington is based on Jack Pumpkinhead.