Wizkids Frameworks Dungeons and Dragons Review Orcs and Kobolds

[@GoobertownHobbies]

My understanding is that the Frameworks line is launching ~end of March. I think the player characters are going to be more popular than the Kobolds :-) kzbin.info/www/bejne/bnuXq6F8lLhlepI

[@HauntedCorpseGaming]

More than the cost of lunch bet less than two lunches.... So good. :D

[@rickybobbypaints8478]

thank you for being honest about the price because you are correct they shouldnt be that expensive

[@kendric2000-q3d]

So....wait until September when the expensive unsold packs go on clearance.

[@InFerrumVeritas]

The bits for the PCs looked pretty cool.

[@oliviersoable]

I agree. Framework for dnd caracthers. Nolzur for the rest are way cheaper

[@kalcheus]

I feel like at this point it would be cheaper for a hobbyist to become an established YT mini personality and get promo from the company than it would be to purchase them

[@GoobertownHobbies]

True. I honestly might be one of a very small group of people to ever paint those kobolds... which is silly and sad...

[@Subcomandante73]

Given that they will send out stuff to almost anyone who will shill, this is a good idea. This is why the rest of us are expected to pay so much :p

[@smoker420la]

Objective truth speaks

[@Blandco]

No. It wouldn't. Trust me.

[@thedungeondelver]

A webcam and decent lights < buying all of those minis he's got onscreen.

[@joffles]

I thought that the price was a little expensive until you showed the competition, and then I found out how ridiculously expensive they really are. Great video altogether!

[@Kconv1]

The competition is a 3d printer and resin.. resin is down to almost 20$ a Kilo and that makes at least 30 man sized figures.

[@Geekism]

So I imagine you don't have much time to see/read comments on 2 month old videos, but I thought you might like to hear some anecdotal evidence on the popularity of these sets 2 months in. I manage a FLGS in Southern Ontario, with the launch of this line we ordered 2 of every pack and dedicated a whole spec to them on the wall. Since then we have reordered almost all of the player characters, some (mostly the Elf Ranger) we have reordered multiple times. We still have the 2 original boxes of Kobolds and Orcs.

[@jgbfc]

dear god. thats not good.

[@coalzilla8567]

LOL. The orcs are 36 on Amazon right now. I think I'll order 2 sets of them soon, because hey that deal ain't too bad! But yeah, 50? For a bunch of lackeys? Nobody that pays attention to their money will pay that!

[@Mouthyhamster]

I appreciate the work you did comparing the pricing to other companies. Not only does it show how absurd the pricing is, but it also helps point people in the direction of far more affordable boxes. Your paint jobs were great as always though!

[@keithkarnage]

With so much empty space, especially on the kobold sprues, they should have just put two full models on each.

[@GoobertownHobbies]

yupyup! :-)

[@Bluecho4]

They wouldn't even need to cut out any of the pots to do it. That's how barren the sprues are. Honestly, I'm wondering if the pots were only included _because_ they were trying to fill space. One wonders why they didn't just put them all on a smaller sprue, if they were going to give you so little.

[@Orange_Pith]

came to say the exact same. The one kobold per sprue was comical

[@captainparty]

Sprue layout isn’t as simple as just laying out more models where there is room, you have to account for the physics of molten plastic at high pressure. That’s why GW, which has spent a lot of money on developing the tech and specialisation to make great plastic kits, can pack more into their sprues than most other companies. It’s an expensive process that took them years to perfect, so we are seeing a company that hasn’t learned how to best take advantage of the medium.

[@Orange_Pith]

@@captainparty nope, refuse to believe it. Put the plastic goop in the wonky pot, bish bash bosh, magic happens and hay presto, Kobolds! (the edge spacers to keep each sprue separate from one another is a cool idea and i hope they get up to GW level of layout as i really did like the look of those kobolds)

[@PMandrekar]

Before I knew that miniatures came in different scales, I purchased a large bag of pig faced orcs only to realize that they were 15 mm in scale. Based them, primed them with red primer and, long story short, I have a wave of Kobolds that I can use for a fraction of the cost. Metal figures, too!

[@shigerufan1]

Can do a Zelda themed encounter and call them bokoblins

[@Geekism]

I know 3D printing isn't for everyone. But man, if this isn't another huge reason to invest in an entry level resin printer, then I don't know what is

[@Tiyev]

It's weird but somehow inevitable that a company that isn't Games Workshop is overpricing plastic miniatures like they were Games Workshop. I guess putting Monsters of the Multiverse exclusively in a 3 book bundle of books with 2 other books that already came out a while ago and most players already own was just the beginning of DnD product being sold like Warhammer product...

[@leonardwisniewski3418]

Isn't that the truth. 21 kobolds or a resin printer that can make you a fleet, with not much more investment.

[@ZentaWinds]

The fact resin is toxic and all of that makes me worried with trying that stuff

[@benterry2681]

@@Tiyev Monsters of the multiverse is being released next month on it's own. the collections was just an early way to get your hands on it. I think they are thinking they can sell like GW but aren't considering that Nolzur's exists and that if they could most Warhammer players would happily be buying prebuilt mini's at a 5th of the cost if GW released them. Also D&D doesn't have the whole "Game legal" GW mini thing or even the need for mini's so they aren't required to play and no issue using cheaper or competitor models.

[@thesqeaky]

@@ZentaWinds Just be smart about it and it's no biggie. I have an Elegoo resin printer and you can buy carbon filters that go inside the housing and as long as you wear gloves while handling it's all pretty safe.

[@chazlong61]

The Goobertown Brand has always been an even-handed, well-spoken brand. This level of integrity is, therefor, not a huge surprise. It is still welcome. Great review.

[@chuck-n-debtaylor7553]

They missed their advertising opportunity: “30+ Kobold Jars of Mystery - ASTOUNDING VALUE - 7 FREE KOBOLDS!!!”

[@DiscourseMinis]

I love hard plastic to work with too - but damn, when Games Workshop are coming out ahead on value you know you're in trouble! Once again, us forever DMs get screwed over :(

[@lord6hearts]

Might as well start using our old Lego-dudes as minis.

[@RocRolDis]

Ahead in value? If GW was selling these, it'd be 5 orcs for $60 USD

[@basstedson]

@@RocRolDis did you actually watch this video?

[@mandasity]

3d printer. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

[@Chris-jl6vp]

Buy on Etsy and eBay. That’s what I do for my mini needs.

[@joshuaturnquist5538]

I love kobolds, but not 50$ for 7. I really like reaper kobolds, but for a much better deal there is Shrine of the Kobold Queen which has 20 kobolds for 40-50$, including snake cavalry and basilisks.

[@Ducknuck84]

2nd on the reaper kobolds and between having backed the last 2 kickstarters I have like 20 of them, pretty much set for anything short of Tucker's kobolds scenario

[@martinMARTIN244]

3rd on reaper kobolds! I use those guys all the time

[@tempestvenator9809]

Might just settle for the Kobold Queen box if I want reptilian Kobolds instead of the dog Kobolds everyone keeps on making.

[@martinMARTIN244]

@@tempestvenator9809 Honestly they are so tiny I doubt anyone would notice..but if it's one of those "But I'LL NOTICE" kind of deals then yeah I suppose that's the way to go!

[@jasonstatham5879]

That Shrine of the Kobold Queen, is that the Epic Encounters one from Steamforged Games? Yeah, that $50 price tag on them is a lot more fair that this WK offering. Almost 3 times the Kobolds, double sided mat, an adventure book and "tips and tricks" for running the encounter. What's in the box? -20 Detailed Kobold Minis (including NINE unique sculpts!) -Double-Sided Game Mat -Adventure Book with Monster Stats -Tips and tricks for running an awesome encounter (that work for any RPG game)

[@danbull]

A politely, ever-so-slightly, disappointed review hurts more than any kind of pitchfork wielding mob

[@EricsHobbyWorkshop]

The price of that Kobold kit is JARring (please tell me I am the first to make that pun)

[@GoobertownHobbies]

FIRST

[@Himle_]

*rofl* Nice one! And yeah, when companies make GW look good, price wise, something is.. Wrong

[@619Slipk]

They price Kobolds and Orcs the same at $50 You say: "People expect bigger models to cost more" (clearly revering to the Kobolds being waaaay overpriced) The message they get: "So the Orcs will be $70 now"

[@DanaHowl]

Great video Brent!!!! I think your analysis of the prices here is a good one, however I don't think the large price will matter to most hardcore D&D players who will be buying these, a lot of whom aren't aware of things like Games Workshop, 3D printing, or any other alternatives aside from Nolzur's and maybe Reaper. The players will buy the player character models which are priced really well, and the DMs will probably not care that the monsters are overpriced, because they will just have to buy each set ONCE in their life (if they dont already have a set of orcs and kobolds that they like). There is also something to be said for high quality, OFFICIAL D&D miniatures, based on art from the monster manual, which is something that hasn't existed since 2001's chainmail line, I think certain lifestyle DMs will buy the whole set for this reason (I would have at the peak of my D&D playing)

[@GoobertownHobbies]

Oh those people are definitely out there! Wyrmwood table + dwarvenforge terrain + some wizkids kobolds ;-) It'll be very interesting to see how the launch goes.

[@DanaHowl]

@@GoobertownHobbies same I'm excited and if this line ends up flopping im gonna pick all these up on sale!!!!!

[@JCPRuckus]

I don't disagree that some small amount of people who would really like these exist. But how many of them will be willing to pay luxury prices for less than luxury quality minis? I guess the question is, is this line supposed to be mainstream or an extremely low volume prestige offering? Because the internet exists, and it would only take 30 seconds to find any of these other kits if you care about value for money at all. So I don't know how many people will be aware of these, but incapable of finding more reasonably priced options. Which leaves the only reason to buy these being if overpaying is the point. Like Brent said, being "one of the few on Earth" to have these.

[@nickdefrancis]

@@JCPRuckus yep, and usually luxury lines come out after a well established core set exists for the masses. See platinum edition of various modules that go for like $200+. There’s still a core module released. And this just tells me they’re not planning on making hard plastic minis for the masses :(

[@MistImp1]

I’m not concerned about price, but value is important. I am one of those people with the custom game table and tons of Dwarven Forge terrain, probably over 100k minis going all the way back to genuine lead from the 70’s. I will not be buying these. The value isn’t there. I am also pretty certain that the gamers at my flgs won’t be buying them either. They don’t want to fork out more than $5 to have someone paint their Reaper mini for them. Spend $50 on 7 kobolds? Won’t happen.

[@Gandolf1337]

Another great video, Brent. Thanks for the thorough and fair review. Despite the ridiculous price per mini it was nice to see them painted! For that price, I think I would look for oldschool metal minis that would last 100 years. Another thing - I really hope you upload videos more frequently in the future. Mini paint roulette, talk about restoring tables, fishing with space marines, you name it. Its always a relaxing moment to watch your videos.

[@defiantparsnip]

This makes me really sad as a forever DM. I was really hopeful when these were first announced that we'd finally have an inexpensive source for reliable, customizable polystyrene mooks that every DM needs en masse. Thank you for putting this price into context with competitors!

[@Deltrox98]

I laughed out loud at the "There's lots of extra bits on these sprues... and they're all jars" line

[@GoobertownHobbies]

Lots of jars. Some urns. one boot too. I forgot to mention the boot. :-)

[@TheCreativeKobold]

Thanks for this video! Wizkids has definitely been increasing their prices tremendously on all fronts. They released a colossal, prepainted White Dragon a year ago for $100(where they also tried to not paint it, which we've also seen a lot of other examples of, but that's a different story), and now they're releasing an equally large Red Dragon for $400. Their newest set of prepainted minis in blind boosters are fewer than before at a higher price. And remember, when they first took over from the old DDM line, they halved the amount of minis in a booster, from 8 in the old line, to 4 in Wizkids "Icons of the Realms" line.) When I first got the news of the Frameworks series, I was happy, because from a logical point of view that ought to have meant more official minis at a lower price than Nolzur(which are preassembled and preprimed), and at the same time probably the highest quality sculpts Wizkids would make. I was looking at competitors, thinking it surely wouldn't *exceed* GW's similar products. How wrong i was. At least it seems I was right about the quality. But what good is that when it's not going to sell? I'd love that set of kobolds, but I'm not spending $50 on 7 tiny minis like that. I'm pretty much done with Wizkids at this point. At the very least, I'll only be buying second hand or at clearance sales.

[@thekrillsta]

They look super cool, but I agree about price. Yeah injection molds cost a ton to get started, but each injection mold costs barely anything. If they want a 50$ price point, just give me more models in that box. I'll buy em!

[@vilewretch]

I’ve found that many of the older D&D models disappointed me with either their quality or their lack of customization, when frameworks was announced I was excited for what that meant for my players and monsters but now I’m just excited for my players. It looks like there isnt a ton of spare material in the monster kits on top of everything. I hope this line is successful and we see some cool new models at a better price in the future!

[@lilcwa]

“I’m one of the few people on Earth who will EVER use this model kit...” Priceless. I admire your boundless positivity as well as your painting skill. Bravo, sir. Be well, and keep up the fine work.

[@willpenn966]

These prices are like an elaborate joke! They didn't think GW was a good pricing model to go off of, did they?

[@lv100Alice]

they hvae been fiughting with who can make someone bring the most about of books to a game for years... now it's spreading to the miniatures

[@GoobertownHobbies]

Normally competition is GOOD for consumers... I'm baffled by what's happening in this case hahahha :-)

[@lostsanityreturned]

Obviously they didn't think GW was a good price point to base their models on. They are charging a lot more for less detailed models ;)

[@toferkrz946]

These are not anywhere near even GW prices. 50$ buys you twenty AoS grots from GW, not seven. And I'm pretty sure you'd get a couple bucks change even when buying direct at full MSRP. These very badly designed and thought out, Chinese plastics are priced like boutique resin models for some reason.

[@doomguy9049]

@@toferkrz946 Yeah they’re about twice as much per model as GW “Orruks” which is nuts, they’d better be hand carved out of ivory or something at that price. Probably they did just base the MSRP off of GW’s pricing model without matching that number of miniatures per box which is totally bonkers.

[@traderghost]

This is how a review should be done. Honest and without fear or favour. Super enjoyable video!

[@ruaridhmackenzie3215]

Thanks Brent, all i could think of was, "Available in a bargin bin in your local store 6- 12 months after release for the price it should have been nearer to. "

[@daili4917]

That group shot at the end with the painted minis and dice for scale was great, then I remembered that's apparently one hundred dollar's worth of miniatures! That's wild!

[@GoobertownHobbies]

yeah..... nice picture tho! :-)

[@RosieJonesRules]

Insane that the vastly superior quality, much more varied options and famously expensive GW Orruks are cheaper than this. How they decided these prices is beyond me

[@johnnybigbones4955]

Great that you showed the price comparison to the other Orc models on the market! This kinda feels like a swing and a miss to me. I've got a bunch of Nolzur's Kobolds painted and that's gonna be enough for any encounter I'm ever gonna run, just not in the market for these little guys.

[@BlUsKrEEm]

As a fan of Atlantic Wargames this pricing is laughable.

[@Bluecho4]

Wargames Atlantic _should_ make their own Kobold kit, yes. They'd make a fortune.

[@popburnsy3207]

@@Bluecho4 right? They could sweep the market with affordable horde type beastie kits.

[@proft7211]

I was really excited to see these coming out…..until I saw the pricing! Thanks for the preview and price commentary! With luck they will make some changes as per your comments (10 sprees per box and more competitive pricing)

[@justincasebro1567]

Always so genuine and chill. I would love to have a dude like you at the gaming table any day Brent. Great stuff.

[@randomcitizen943]

For the price of 1 box of each, I could get the orc Loot month, the kobold Loot month and 1.5 kg of resin (which would print an awful lot of the minis.) I believe Wizards rolled a Nat 1 on this.

[@leavesofgrass92]

Awesome review. Love to hear your honest opinions on these products, so we know what we're getting into. ALSO, I have to say that Twenty-Sided Realms has quickly become one of my favorite DnD podcasts and I can't say enough good things about it. I'll be ordering a T-shirt at the end of this week. Anyone who is a fan of this channel needs to check the podcast out.

[@tinyfishhobby3138]

I’m almost wondering if they figured that most DM’s would never need a huge number of Orcs or Kobolds(figuring on smaller encounters in game) and priced according to that? “7 Orcs is plenty for a regular DnD game!” Basic conclusion here looks to be that you should buy your kobolds anywhere other than Wizkids.

[@Illersvansen]

7 Orcs maybe, but 7 kobolds is barely a challenge for even a lvl 1 party. Hell, I've run encounters with over 30 of them.

[@TheSmuey]

Well, for orcs maybe, but kobolds? I mean, they are almost the very definition of a creature that does extremely well in large numbers. They have Pack Tactics for a reason

[@dralasitevrusk903]

Or you buy the Wizkids 3 packs of non-sprue deep cuts kobolds for $5 each ;)

[@randomcitizen943]

@@Illersvansen nah, Loot's Orconspiracy is only 30 and 1kg of resin is about 25. You pay 5.00 more but end up with a *ton* of minis including a very nice troll in 75 mm.

[@Ducknuck84]

ya seven is nothing if you have ever had to upscale a game for a large group. Ran the first part of Lost Mines for 8 people and I think we ended up with like 9-12 Gobs for the first encounter

[@VulgarHumanist]

" . . . priced by an absolute madman . . . " Your understated style was perfect for that line!

[@KabinMiniatures]

Cool! Interesting that it says "Made in China" on the sprue, as opposed to GW who still make theirs in GB (besides terrain etc). There seems to be a lot of empty space on some of them, like GW used to have before they went all-digital for the sculpting.

[@GoobertownHobbies]

yeah, the sprue spacing definitely reminds me of early GW plastics.

[@morganw.4711]

I love the way you approach everything with a sense of wonder and an open mind. Your channel is a very welcome source of positivity in this hobby!

[@SuperDuperHappyTime]

I like how the prices went from 2000 GW to 2020 GW. Hard plastic? How well do the kits work with Testors Plastic Glue?

[@lv100Alice]

pretty sure these arew 2030 gw prices

[@GoobertownHobbies]

Yup! It's polystyrene, so anything sold as plastic glue/ plastic cement should work :-) edit: I used testors extra thin cement

[@SuperDuperHappyTime]

@@GoobertownHobbies You do good work brother!

[@JCPRuckus]

"I'm one of the few people on Earth who will ever use this model kit"... Stunningly savage. Made all the more savage by the fact that you weren't trying to be savage... Lol

[@GoobertownHobbies]

I would like to see painted kobolds popping up on instagram... but I'm afraid there won't be too many.... ;-)

[@MrMule10]

Great paint job Brent and a wonderful breakdown of the baffling.

[@BadgerBishop]

I love you! This is one of the best reviews you've done and you are one of the best reviewers around. I hope you're having a good winter.

[@DamienWise]

Shame about the flagrant price-gouging for average-quality miniatures. On the other hand, I'm a fan of great paint-jobs and including gorgeous cats in videos.

[@robertof.5283]

GW looking at this prices and raised his Fist: finally a worthy opponent! Our battle will be legendary!

[@GoobertownHobbies]

I was expecting competition to lower prices... how wrong I was... ;-)

[@Bluecho4]

It's like Alien Vs Predator. Whoever wins, the customer loses.

[@Zabzim]

The plastic is worse through

[@noamtepper456]

These look really cool, I would actually buy these for a more reasonable price, they look really high quality and exactly what I’ve been looking for for a while, hope the prices go down!

[@GoobertownHobbies]

Agreed! I hope they see this feedback :-)

[@frontline989]

Yeah the sculpts are great but lots of people have great sculpts these days. You have to put out a competitive product and that doesn’t mean you jump to the extreme end of the pricing spectrum.

[@Erkynar]

On a sidenote, I need to thank you, Brent. I bought Gloomhaven - Jaws of the lion six months ago and had it not been for you the miniatures included would still be unpainted. As it is I have stumbled back into a hobby I have not indulged for decades. No big armies for me, though. But it is fun to make a game that little bit more colourful. Anyway, the point is this: without this channel I would not have even considered painting them. Thank you!

[@GoobertownHobbies]

That's so awesome! I'm really glad that you're painting now, keep goin keep goin!!! :-)

[@Erkynar]

@@GoobertownHobbies Will do. I mean, why not? It's fun. :)

[@sovietbear1917]

Finally, we get to see the models that were hyped up on Kobold Talk last week!

[@TheBinger033]

1:49 “I am one of the few people on earth who will ever use this model kit.” Gold!

[@dudeapokemon]

At first I thought "Oh wow, I guess they're just testing if they can sell their mini's at games workshop prices..." So thank you for pointing out how much more these are then games workshop. I was just looking at boneharvesters and the fact I could buy one boneharvester or 7 kobolds for the same price is almost comical. Hopefully this doesn't hurt the frameworks line too much in the future, more variety in minis is always nice.

[@ShadowDrakken]

Your painting has come a long way in the last year Brent! Love the work, and the video!

[@sanctusletum8522]

I am absolutely the target market. Big into DnD, accustomed to GW price points, and have a comfortable enough disposable income. I absolutely baulked at these prices.

[@GoobertownHobbies]

Right? I hope they're seeing this feedback! :-)

[@narratordave7831]

I had the opportunity to stock these in my store and I couldn't justify putting them on the shelf at their price tag versus Nolzurs minis or 3D printing

[@eBayMiniatureRescues]

I for one am glad that Kobold kit is around, where else am I gonna get tiny jars?

[@GoobertownHobbies]

This guy understands! :-)

[@Vanye111]

Ebay? 😅

[@eBayMiniatureRescues]

@@Vanye111 lol. I mean yeah…but these are obviously premium jars we’re talkin here!!

[@LV99guy]

This is exactly why i follow your videos. Thanks so much man! Keep up the great work

[@duckchickenduck]

2:06 there's enough room on that sprue alone for 7 kobolds

[@Victor.Alteria]

The drybrush of the highlights on the dagger at 11:57 are sublime. Well done.

[@joseale2310]

It also seems that the sprues are very empty, they could have packed way more in those sprues for the price!

[@benstewart8516]

If I need a Kobold horde for a RPG I'd go for the Reaper bones options anytime. Not only is the price massively more appealing, I don't want to be mucking around with tiny little parts and assembly for some mooks that I need in large numbers for the party to chop through

[@GMAtank]

Checking this out right now Brent. I was saving the orcs for a paint/assemble night at my FLGS. I've enjoyed the larger models of Frameworks tremendously, the small ones anger my sausage fingers. =) Thanks for the preview of what to expect and for the link to P2L in your description!

[@euansmith3699]

And, one does not want to anger the sausage-fingers! 😂 I've got ham-fists instead.

[@GoobertownHobbies]

Hahaha, is THAT why you started with the ogre?? :-)

[@GMAtank]

@@GoobertownHobbies mindflayer, ogre, drider... But yes. You're a Saint for handling those Kobolds. Might as well be tardigrades to me! :)

[@Decado1628]

Those kobolds do not look like they would be fun to assemble.

[@PeakDnD]

I too got started painting minis with Warhammer (40k)... I was SHOCKED to find out 7 kobolds is $50... a Tactical Squad of OG Space Marines is only $55... but you get 10 marines!!!! Great and thorough review! Thanks GH... I still might pick some up, ha!

[@ShatteredMatter]

This seems like there probably was poor communication in terms of sprue layout, liken they'd already committed to having 5 separate sprues with 1 kobold per sprue when they could have easily fit 2 per sprue and given consumers a much better deal. The machining costs are a huge part of plastic production, so the more unique sprues the more expensive the kit. With 2 per sprue and 2 sets of each, you suddenly have a box of 8 at less than half the machining costs...

[@C3ns0rious]

I love the $50 dollar bill backdrop on the Kobolds at the end hahah.

[@darkowl9]

It’s so interesting to see such a sparse sprue/frame after being used to say… contemporary Necromunda models. On pricing, I'd hazard that the cost of producing the molds are relatively equivalent, even if the resulting models are different scales. I really like those stackable corner bits, that's a really clever idea I'd hope that GW would steal.

[@EdwinK-13]

Another fantastic video and review. Thank you brother. The paint job looks awsome.

[@GoobertownHobbies]

hey thanks! :-)

[@ElectricalInsanity]

As a forever DM, I'm probably the target market for these minis. Usually I just need a couple models for whatever encounter I'm putting together and if they look vaguely like what they're supposed to be, that's great! After the encounter, the minis go into a box and I might never use them again. This is where my 3d printer comes in handy. I can find one model I like and print 10 of them or whatever for almost nothing. The models don't look nearly as nice, but I don't feel bad about dumping them in a box with a bunch of other minis that have served their purpose.

[@XPainMaster]

Do you paint them after print or you just play with them straight out of the printer?

[@ElectricalInsanity]

@@XPainMaster it depends on how much time and motivation I have. About half of my printed minis are painted

[@CTRLCopy]

Is this the first episode of Kobold Talks!? Love you content

[@GoobertownHobbies]

Indeed it is!! :-)

[@Gowaduv]

Expensive sprue models just in time for resin 3d printing to make buying minis obsolete

[@bloodsbane]

That was my thought - $50? That's a decent quality bottle of resin right there. Gonna get quite a bit more than 7 kobolds out of that.

[@euansmith3699]

😂😂😂😂👍

[@GoobertownHobbies]

I love me some 3d printed kobolds, but I think we all need the life experience of being kids and peer pressuring each other into buying minis at the games store. Maybe not these kobolds tho, little billy doesn't have that kind of cash! ;-)

[@garfusa2]

I'm really digging that big orc lad with the fancy armour and the great axe. He seems like a nice chap

[@nolanbradley5803]

I'm just getting ready to print a small force of Kobolds. I wonder how they compare in quality and price. It looks like there's an awful lot of wasted sprue compared to the amount of model per sprue

[@GoobertownHobbies]

Have fun! I painted some of the lost adventures 3d printed kobolds recently... kobolds are great!! :-)

[@Bluecho4]

You're honestly better off buying 3D printed resin Kobolds off of Etsy. They'll probably be more monopose, but you'll have your pick of artist. And most will only be around $5 per Kobold, which is still a better deal than this.

[@tianshi8453]

Lovely cat

[@rowanf8702]

I’m pretty willing to spend big bucks on stuff like characters and whatnot, but oof, that’s money for models that probably won’t be on the table much. I typically use figures for players and tokens for monsters because I don’t wanna have 10 of the same minis repeatedly on the board through encounters

[@Bluecho4]

Especially if they're Kobolds, which will stick on the board for maybe one round of combat.

[@popburnsy3207]

Plus, you only need one or two characters per campaign which could last months if not years. $15 might sound like a lot for a mini, but you'll likely stick with it for awhile.

[@dantebzs]

"This is not a ranting video" **Proceeds to dish the hell out of wizkidz with passive/agressive talk** Loved it.

[@Thornspyre81]

Of all the creatures that couldve had crazy awesome little bits it would definitely be Kobolds. They couldve had so many cool mischievous "weapons." Such a missed opportunity

[@digitaldeviltry]

Kobolds are known for stealing and hoarding tiny ceramic pots, as everyone knows.

[@Harbinger1776]

The passive aggressive way you cut down the pricing was the nicest slash I’ve seen. Well done!

[@Caspero68o]

They have some cool sculpts. Those prices though, ouchie mama! It's making me appreciate that 3D printer even more LOL.

[@jimbobjones9330]

I know. At this price point, you may as well go for a 3D printer. Tons of amazing artists out there, and you can get tons of figures for cheap. I'd hate to think what they'd charge in this line for the ship from this month's (March) Loot Studios bundle: www.loot-studios.com/bundle (Sure, that thing will probably take a full bottle of resin, but that's $40)

[@Caspero68o]

@@jimbobjones9330 we have a membership with loot studio. They are awesome.

[@jimbobjones9330]

@@Caspero68o I've had one for about 6 months now and have SO many things I want to print from them. (OK, so I also added about 4 extra months of their "past bundles" to get some loyalty rewards :-) ) So many great talents out there that I couldn't imagine spending $50 on a handful of kobolds (no matter how nice they are)

[@Caspero68o]

@@jimbobjones9330 we need part for our printer, unfortunately. But you better bet we are still down loading them. Did you see that ship?🤯🥰

[@jimbobjones9330]

@@Caspero68o I saw the ship. I have a Saturn, so I'm waiting for them to have the multipart models (unless they added them in the last couple of days), because I really need a huge, multi-level pirate ship... I don't have any pirate games going on at the moment, but some things stand on principal :-D

[@stormd]

The juxtaposition of your relentless positivity and savage takedown in this video is just beautiful

[@ratbaby3107]

Tbh, I'd expect kobolds and orks to cost the same, but be significantly more of them

[@batjutsu]

As always a great video. The comparison was super informative, a legendary action ☺️

[@zephyrnox5908]

I love the look of those little kobolds - they have a lot of character! That being said, they’ve outdone GW in terms of pricing. I hope if they produce further sets of this line they put more miniatures in the set, lower their price points, and add more modularity to the sets. I won’t hold my breath though and will continue to print my kobolds for a fraction of that price.

[@Tannhauser42]

Based off of the stackable design of the sprues, it looks like the manufacturer is Wargames Factory in China, who also make the plastics for Kingdom Death, Maelstrom's Edge, and, I think, Malifeaux.

[@DuhRake]

You said expensive and I still wasn't picturing $50 for the kobolds, wow.

[@GoobertownHobbies]

yeah... these are in serious danger of becoming a meme.

[@kassy6373]

@@GoobertownHobbies The golden kobold horde!

[@paulvandekamp6774]

I gotta say, I love the transparant bases, so you can see the battlemats and terrain and the stackable sprues blew my mind.

[@irondude71]

I don't play the games, but I love painting full armies and putting them up on display. I had high hopes for this line, I REALLY wanted my next army to not be a GW army. But these prices suck.

[@GoobertownHobbies]

check out mantic / warlord / parabellum wargames / wargames atlantic / North Star Miniatures - I wish you luck in finding something that inspires you!! :-)

[@JEANPIXBN]

You’re such an inspiration man, thanks again for the great content!!!

[@GrottoGoblin]

It’s a shame that these are as overpriced as they are because they do look great. I still am not sure these would be for me even if they were priced more reasonably, though. I’m not a huge fan of having to waste bits/options because I can only build one figure. If sets like this came with a number of bodies equal to the bits then I would have no issue, but they don’t. Probably number two reason I’ve never gotten into warhammer and stuff like that…number one being the prices, of course. For these sets, specifically, there are just far too many good, hassle free, much more reasonably priced options for me to ever destabilize my budget for them. I mean, what were they thinking? I can buy some of those cheaper options from WizKids themselves…I don’t think these are going to sell well for them, and I hope they find a way to price more reasonably and not just axe the line. If they do the latter, it would be quite a shame for the folks who *are* interested in these highly customizable figures.

[@pdubb9754]

Thanks for a fair review despite the disappointing price caveats. When you initially reviewed this line I wondered if It could be the impetus for commiting to painting minis. Not at those prices.

[@FHangya]

I think you've done a great service to these models. They do seem pretty detailed! And, possibly WizKids is trying to ride on the wave of fame now that WOTC is upping their approach on the market (it's not like they haven't been leading it already though). Oh well, we'll see. IMO budget will always be a question though.

[@GoobertownHobbies]

Thanks! They're good models, I hope I'm not the only person who ever paints them ;-)

[@emdeo]

I might honestly be tempted for a box of those Orcs as a painting project. They could also be a cool "add heroes" box for Riftforged Orcs.

[@ponderingturtle2720]

Check out Wargames Atlantic goblins kit, 30 goblins for $35. And it is compatible with the giant spider kit to make spider riding goblins.

[@timberry4709]

Beat me to it. 😁

[@MrBlackjimrogan]

Cheers, that sounds awesome

[@ponderingturtle2720]

Coincidentally OnTableTop put out a unboxing of the set today as well kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJnIcnyFqdFghZo

[@GoobertownHobbies]

Oh thanks! :-)

[@HighGainsDrifter]

I think those look really great, but the price point for the amount of minis is a deal breaker. Especially with the alternatives you linked in the this video. Great content!

[@archon458]

As GW fan who fully knows that they're overpriced, this is really rough. Especially with the sprues lacking a lot of options.

[@jamiespeirs885]

An awesome review Brent, I love your honesty. Thanks

[@lukemcdonladson6648]

Damn Those kobolds look very small for such a big price tag ... And they don't even have a cool wings option ✌️💚

[@GoobertownHobbies]

... That's a good point! I've only recently learned about the kobold life cycle, some wings would have made sense for sure!

[@averagemodeler]

The frameworks models realy look good. But, i will be sticking with the nozular line for the price. Great video, Brent thanks for all you do in the mini community.

[@thefollowingisatest4579]

I'm angry that WizKids is finally giving us clear bases only in the insanely expensive line.

[@blindthrasher7293]

From what I've seen, they've been using clear bases for their more recent pre-painted lines and the Critical Role Unpainted minis.

[@JohnMcGrewHealthPhysicist]

When these Frameworks models were announced months ago, I was initially excited, but I took one look at the outrageous MSRP and laughed. Maybe a year from now when they get blown out at 80% off clearance prices, but even then it's a hard sell since I can print my own cooler looking resin models for pennies.

[@kalcheus]

"this won't be an angry review" ... well dang, now I want to hear what your angry voice sounds like

[@GoobertownHobbies]

hahaha, I give Wizkids a lot of credit for having cheaper options that are good for beginners... but dannnnnggggg them are some expensive kobolds! ;-)

[@WillWildsOutdoorAdventures]

8:56 Ohhhhhhhhhh dayyyyummm okkkaaaaaaaaaaay lol. Good on you for calling a duck a duck dude, the BALLS they must have to price that at $50. What keeps them on the ground? I'd float off to space with cahones that big!

[@sadlerbw9]

Why were sprue 4 and sprue 2 repeated, and not the others? Well, clearly the answer is 42! Joking aside, when your miniatures make GW minis look cheap, that is a problem. I'm more OK with character or BBEG minis being over-priced because I'm only buying one, and getting the best looking model I can has some value. When it comes to models I want to buy a pile of, value is a much bigger deal.

[@MistImp1]

I feel Wizkids is going out of their way to become the next GW. I have drawers full of Reaper monsters and multiple 3D printers. Wizkids won’t see a dime from me.