WLTOYS 124017 & Eachine EAT14 | How To REDUCE COGGING on Acceleration | Programming the Stock ESC

WLTOYS 124017 & Eachine EAT14 | How To Greatly Reduce COGGING on Acceleration | Programming the Stock ESC
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[@MickoRC]

Thanks for sharing this good info Dave. That's definitely better than before. Yeah lots of people reporting the cogging issue on these. Hey congrats on the 10K subs bro! Well done!!!!!!! 😎👍🍻🇦🇺

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

Hey Mick, yes it's been a very common topic of conversation on the groups and comment sections of recent reviews including my own review about the cogging due to WLtoys using the same pinion and spur from the brushed models which makes it over geared on the 2845 motor. Thanks very much mate, appreciate your support and have a great weekend🍻👍😎💯

[@DashzRight]

I m extremely disappointed with this car and the youtubers hyping the crap out without ever mentioning these issues just to get more freebies… It drives like crap, it has a ton of delay in the throttle + the cogging + it is not designed to be driven at such high speeds. Thanks for your video, it didn’t really make this car any better but at least you are actually helpful to the community.

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

Yeah I know some channels tend to hide the real truth about products as you said, which as a RC hobbyist and reviewer of rc products I dislike that behaviour as well. In this video I tried to come up with solution which does not fully eliminate the cogging in the original release of this model but did in my case help a little. The 124016 version 1 videos that I made I did not recommend anyone purchase at all it was really that bad. Only the v2 models with the smaller pinion and higher kV motor fixed the issues, thanks for watching and your comment 👍 have a good day!

[@TheRcKiwis]

Great job and Congratulations on 10K thats EPIC!! 🎉🎉

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

Thanks very much Joe & Amber, have a great weekend! Cheers 🍻💯👍

[@TonysRcTechboom]

Hi Dave😁 you have helped so many people with this how to video bro 👍 including myself because I converted my purple one into Brushless and I have a little cogging issue so am going to dry this 👍 dont understand people giving you a thumbs down because your helping people, your video was fantastic bro. Thanks for sharing bro and have a wonderful weekend 👍🇦🇺😍🇬🇧👍

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

Thanks very much Tony my friend, I have found this to work on some of my other brushless escs so definitely wanted to try eliminate the cogging on this one. As for dislikes, doesn't bother me at all in the slightest 😂 cheers for watching mate and have a good weekend 🍻💯

[@cjb405]

This is why i subscribed to you, spot on info as always👍

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

Thanks very much mate, appreciate the support to the channel 👍 have a good weekend

[@robsrcinsanity1220]

Thanks for posting this, I’m sure there are a lot of people who didn’t know that this was an option. 👍🏻🍻

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

Thanks Rob, hopefully those that have bought this WLtoys and the Eachine EAT14 RC buggy will be able to enjoy it more straight out of the box, cause the cogging issue these have from factory is a downer. Cheers for watching mate 🍻👍💯

[@beyondRC]

Congrats on 10k mate 🎉😎👍

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

Thanks Ricky mate, have a great weekend 👍🍻

[@twrecks116]

Great Tip! Thanks for Sharing! 👍👍🤗

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

Cheers mate, thanks for watching and have a good weekend🍻👍

[@gdhall5311]

Good info Dave.

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

Thanks Gregory, have a good weekend brother

[@ViCatRC]

Today I jumped exactly to your same 🙂conclusion , indeed I ordered one of those cheap programming cards. Besides there are more elements now to be almost sure that this esc, even though is not that sparkling in terms of overall performances, it is 2-3s compatible. That's really a great news for all the people that affords this car just to use it out of the box, considering that with more voltage cogging is less evident. Well done.

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

Yes on 3s the cogging is less evident I noticed on my 3s speed tests the other day, but with a quick tune of the ESC I am pretty happy the cogging has reduced from what it was stock out the factory. Cheers for watching my friend and have a good weekend 👍

[@D.C.Johnson]

3s + program card = (hopefully 🤞) no cogging

[@vortkes4684]

Thanks for following up on my request!

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

Thanks for watching Richard and have a good weekend 👍

[@OmarGreeneotraPedroVerde]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned that maxing out your dual/rate on the transmitter eliminates almost all of the cogging issues as far as my Banggood EAT14 is concerned. Also, judicious use of lubricants in specific places, i.e. greasing the diffs, makes a difference too.

[@Xplicit_fpv]

Ima try this too

[@ksrnate]

How many intros have you got dude 🤣🤘🏻🤘🏻

[@johnotooledoggames2336]

🇮🇪. Super upload very good 👍

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

Thanks John👍

[@williamthompson82]

This is awesome to know great vid thanks for the info.I have that cogging issue with a zd racing dtx 16 the factory 30amp esc went out and I put a 35amp in it with a dumbo controller it does it so bad I have to push it I got the esc on the highest punch setting and the gears are stock

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

Cheers for watching William, i found it certainly did help a fair bit compared to the default setting on the stock esc. Have a good weekend 👍

[@williamthompson82]

@@PERTHWESTOZRC you to

[@TheRCMaster]

Nice one, that worked quite well! I have to agree the gearing is far too tall for the size of the motor they should have just used a 3650.

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

Yeah for sure man, 3650 would’ve been the perfect motor size for this buggy 👌 cheers for watching brother and have a good weekend 🍻🇦🇺💯

[@D.C.Johnson]

Good stuff. I was looking at both these cards and not sure which would work. But bang, now I know. Nice work brother. Keep em coming Also the 016 may have the same issue, and that's more of a "tougher" terrain model.

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

Yep the 124016 will likely have the exact same issue so this video also applies to that model, cheers and have a good weekend brother 👍🍻💯

[@D.C.Johnson]

@@PERTHWESTOZRC all things considered, as an average guy who loves this hobby would you purchase this buggy??

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

@@D.C.Johnson if I didn't have the 124019 brushed model, or any other previous wltoys buggy models then yes I would go straight to purchasing this brushless 124017 for the extra $20-30 bucks more than the 124019 brushed as it would cost a lot more than that to purchase all the brushless parts separately to convert it over to brushless (motor/ ESC combo, transmitter and receiver & servo)

[@thisIsRC]

Thanks for this info man! I've ordered a program card. Now here's a question for you, how can you calibrate the throttle in this ESC? I want to use a DumboRC I have as I think the gyro will help a lot to keep it on a straight line, but I don't know how to go about calibrating the throttle once I install a different receiver.

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

I don’t think you can calibrate the throttle, only the start up mode and throttle position % on the card and also use the throttle trim on the DumboRC

[@TheflyingkiwiRC]

@@PERTHWESTOZRC 100% correct.

[@chrisspearline767]

My esc plugs into channel 1 and steering into channel 2 on this exact same model

[@lupillos7404]

Just got mines out today I see the cogging does it more when rc is stop completely and turn and give it throttle the cogging is more, I already order that silver card to help the cogging less good video 👍🏻

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

Thanks for watching, glad this video helped you, enjoy your 124017 👍

[@lupillos7404]

@@PERTHWESTOZRC Wonder if on Wltoys 124017 are all the ones they selling having this cogging problem or only some of them cause seen couple video here on KZbin and they don’t look like they are cogging or not mention the problem on the videos very weird hopefully someone can find the problem 100% to fix this cars 👍🏻

[@LassoKid7777]

I put mine on strong acceleration and the motor was burning hot too hot so I left it stock and temps are perfect

[@petermcalley6208]

G,day mate, grouse to hear smart aussie blokes on you tube, do you know what mode 1,2,3,4 on the EAT 14 remote is for. Also whats the best programming card for EAT14 and Maverick Quantum XT FLUX do ya reckon, thanks champ, Peter Wallan Vic

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

G'day Peter, the mode button has no function on the Eachine EAT14 remote has no function, and the programming card in this video will work on the EAT14 buggy as this buggy is made by WLtoys for Eachine anyways. Not sure on the Maverick Quantum Flux

[@petermcalley6208]

Thanks again for your help mate, take care, all the best Pete

[@stevewarrington8654]

Thanks just ordered this card for £5 what would a 17t pinion gear do to this you reckon would it make it worse?

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

17T might be too small and you'd have to have an adjustable mount yo make it work anyways, thanks for watching mate 👍

[@rb3987]

I have a question about the Wltoys 124017 if its possible pls. I started to change the starting modes with the card to try eliminate some cogging , at one time the remote was working wrong , when I press the throttle down it moves reverse and when I press reverse it go foward normally . Any idea pls ?

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

Reverse 2 of the 3 wires on the motor and it should run forward and back normally, or if you have unplugged channel 2 for the throttle esc wire to program it as you said you have done, you probably put the esc wire in backwards on the receiver. Try both those methods out 👍

[@dronestonia9148]

Those tuning cards are restocking. Anything i can do about the clogging without that card?

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

Not sure if you can manually program these particular 60A escs wltoys have fitted these cars, thanks for watching 👍

[@dannywalker6279]

If I plan on putting different esc and motor in would it be a better bet to just get the 124019 than.are they the exact same, I definitely like the blue look better though also what kv would you recommend 3500 or like 4370 thanks again

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

Yes you are better off buying the cheaper 124019 model if you are going to change the stock parts anyway.

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

I recommend 4370kv if you are planning to speed run it, that's what I have in mine, for bashing I'd go for the 3500kv

[@dannywalker6279]

@@PERTHWESTOZRC do you think a 3300kv would be faster than stock brushless I mainly just rip up and down the street also gonna put little bigger tires on it, would you suggest still going with 4370, these are the only two I can find that come with program card from banggood, thanks

[@jordyjords1928]

I have the exact same car and programming card and the work state blue light just flickers and doesn’t let me change anything

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

All i can think of is that Wltoys must have changed the brand of esc if the programming card doesn't recognise it. This video is a few years old now

[@druscanam]

Nice, so the black program card did not work at all?

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

Yeah the black one didn't work, only the silver one does, it's either one or the other with these cards and compatibility with these ESC's, ive never had both of these cards work on the same esc. Cheers for watching Andrew 👍

[@dannywalker6279]

Would a cool rc 60a esc 3650 4300 kv motor be good for this car thanks

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

Yes for sure, i ran that setup in my 124019 for a while but im using a 4370kv motor Thanks for watching Danny

[@kevinbursey7284]

can you please recommend a battery that will make car go fasterrand last longer than the stock battery? i just ordered today stock battery only last 8 minutes?

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

Buy a 3s lipo if you want to go faster with this buggy, stick to about 2000mah in size so it fits the battery bay

[@joevozzo1]

hi could i use hobby wing programe card if so would plug in the esc

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

Yes any program card with a 3 wire plug for the esc harness wire will fit, but only way to see if it’s compatible is to try your card, the silver one in this video was 100% compatible as you can see, thanks for watching 👍

[@Commander_ZiN]

I just got myself a WLTOYS 144010, it's doing similar. I'm new to this but other videos were saying cogging was a gear grinding and without the speed burst expected. My issue is I can't start slow, it bursts forward, no grinding. Once running I can go slower. Googling online I think this might be the punch setting and mine is set to 9 by default. I might not mind the setting but right now feels a bit weird. I might find the terms confusing but I think your video is covering the issue still. Edit: I'm not sure I have the same issue as you maybe after watching the whole video.

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

Sounds like maybe your Throttle Punch rate may have been set to strong from the factory perhaps, have you tried to lower the throttle dual rate dial on the transmitter a little to see if that helps? I suggest buy at least the cheap silver programming card so you can set the parameters of the esc to how you like them to be. Thanks for watching the video and your comment! 👍

[@Commander_ZiN]

@@PERTHWESTOZRC thanks for the reply, I think you might be right. I was running with min throttle trim, I didn't have enough space to test. On max trim it was pretty similar, bursts to get moving then I can drive slower. Although transition seems smoother on max speed. I think it's the setting you want if you want to go fast. My cousin I think has a silver card I can test with, but I think I'll need to get one myself :)

[@outlaw995i]

Hi. I bought brushless upgrade to wltoys 144001. Have The same problem its cogging a lot and Has some delay. When i pull throttle to full its goes fast after maybe 2 seconds. I can only repair this problem with card?

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

The programming card does help a bit, but changing the pinion to a smaller one will eliminate the cogging totally

[@outlaw995i]

@@PERTHWESTOZRC what pinion do you recommend? And changing only pinion on engine? The one on shaft is okay?

[@kamarulazril2202]

What brand programming card suitable for standard esc 124017?

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

Links to the programming cards are in the description

[@JerBoyd42]

It's true that the gearing is high for the size of the motor, but that's not the problem! The real problem is just the quality of the ESC. If you put in any Hobbywing ESC, like the tiny and inexpensive 16BL30, you'll find that the cogging goes away nearly entirely. Instead of getting a programming card, just put the money toward a decent ESC that is smooth, responsive, and reliable.

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

Yes most definitely a better quality ESC will help eliminate cogging, but this video is aimed towards those that have just bought this particular buggy and want to be able to enjoy it as is out the box and this is an easy and quick solution to minimise that issue. There's no doubt the cogging issue exists, it apparent in most review videos including my own. As for not to bother to buy the programming cards, i disagree and think most hobbyists should buy a couple of different ones, they are a good, inexpensive and handy tool to program all esc's to set the parameters that you may like for the way you drive your RC models. Cheers for watching mate

[@JerBoyd42]

@@PERTHWESTOZRC I think you're totally right. Thanks!

[@DETH_ADDR]

My brother and I got identical cars and motors (sg 1603) I have a hobby wing, he has a surpass. My car cogs way less.

[@DETH_ADDR]

Also, you can edit motor timing using the hobby wing. If you dont know what that is or how you can use it, look it up.

[@camrowdrone6497]

My 144001is cogging think the motor has worn out, never used to do it, I also have the same card👊🏻👍🏻

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

Thanks for watching Cam👍🍻

[@richardcorona9652]

Did you fix it? My kid has the 144001 as well and is also cogging, please update me, he has only used it maybe 30mins

[@camrowdrone6497]

@@richardcorona9652 mine is brushless motor yours if stock should be a brushed motor and should be ok 👍🏻

[@richardcorona9652]

@@camrowdrone6497 thank you

[@user-uf5nh7ou4z]

Io non riesco a programmare 124017v2 la scheda mi lampeggia sempre blu

[@TheAdimel]

Yup i using the silver one program it work but the black doesn't work

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

Yes the silver program cards only work with this factory esc, thanks for watching Adi 👍

[@mehimrc1314]

When your bettery starts to run low cogging will come back, gearing is too high for the poxy motor. The car needs a 3650 motor with medium kv for torque, also the starting range helps with the motor understanding the position of the throttle.

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

Yep cogging comes back when lipo is low mate, and also I mentioned in one of my videos on this buggy that this 2845 is too small really for the stock gearing, it should have a 3650 motor for sure 👍

[@mehimrc1314]

@@PERTHWESTOZRC yeah I heard you say that, shame they dont watch and learn really. It's their company so they throw out whatever they like unfortunately.

[@dannywalker6279]

Can you recommend a good motor esc combo also is 3660 to big for car thanks

[@alphatangofpv2512]

What would be the cheapest upgrade solution to have no more cogging effect ?

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

Buy a larger motor and better ESC, thanks for watching

[@alphatangofpv2512]

@@PERTHWESTOZRC More precisely, which one is the weak point ? The motor or the ESC ?

[@asyrafmaxis8538]

surpass hobby esc program card can also??

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

If it looks like the silver one in this video yes it will work

[@Xplicit_fpv]

Any issues long term..or is this a great solution?

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

I’ve had no issues so far after programming it, there is less cogging running 3s is less noticeable

[@Xplicit_fpv]

@@PERTHWESTOZRC Appreciate it

[@Xplicit_fpv]

What battery do recommend that will fit for 3S

[@chrisspearline767]

Did you try the soft setting?

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

Yeah i did try it at the time and I did not see any difference

[@chrisspearline767]

@@PERTHWESTOZRC you ever heard of calibrating the esc ? I'm hearing that now but can't find a set button for the esc. I ordered the black programming card do you think it won't work?

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

​@@chrisspearline767the black one unfortunately does not work with these particular escs, like I prompted on screen annotation at around 4:38 in this video, only the silver programming card is compatible , but having the black box card is handy to have as well when the silver one doesn't work on other types of escs

[@chrisspearline767]

@@PERTHWESTOZRC yeah I'm trying to change the order since my RC has this type of esc. I wish they would tell you that in the description

[@Indy64738]

Hi pal, interesting, thanks! If you want to test test the cogging in a more realistic way, you might consider to run in a climb or on a less easy terrain.. The cogging is much worse when the motor need some torque… cheers

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

Yes the cogging issue is worse on grass or off road terrain, but also is evident even on a flat surface as well, which is why i demonstrated in my yard in this video. Thanks for watching

[@Indy64738]

@@PERTHWESTOZRC yeah you’re right… but it’s kind of bad that it already cog on a smooth surface…😅😅😅😅

[@MrTurboCat21]

I don't understand the brushless motors, when the brushed motors operate more smoothly. You can get 12t brushless motors, and 3s brushed ESC s which have ample power. I don't understand why they didn't just make them sensored brushless motors, and charged a bit extra money. It would only be an extra $50 or so. That would of corrected this very disappointing issue. Had I of known about the cogging beforehand, I wouldn't have bought one of these. I've heard of others having cogging issues also, with no success with this programme card. My car was working fine, until I put on some fat tires, and went through a puddle😬. Now it's cogging badly for some reason. Even the programme card didn't fix it. So I'm at a loss🤔. I like the car, but I think I'll stick to the brushed motors from now on, until I get a sensored set up. They can be more expensive and tricky to solder together, as they don't come wired up for installation for some reason🤔. Just another disappointing thing yet again. I regret listening to these ppl that recommend going brushless. I thought the brushed motors were ample power with smooth performance, plus affordable to replace👍

[@Monkeylover6731]

Hi all would each one EAT14 use same card

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

Yes they all use the same card as I have linked in the description

[@loukiankostovic9022]

Ooooooff those diffs are tooooo soft

[@victorng6588]

Is 124017 safe with using 3s battery? Please any one tell me.

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

Hi Victor yes it is safe to run these new WLtoys 124017 buggies on 3s, I have already made the 3s speed tests video a few days ago, link to that 3s speed run test is in the outro at the end of this video and my channels home page, feel free to check it out👍

[@andyroo8uk685]

i call that esc the bg good deal as there so cheap id rather spend say 30 extra and do it myself and stick a hobbywing in

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

Yeah a hobbywing would be much better, thanks for watching

[@andyroo8uk685]

@@PERTHWESTOZRC what have wltoys done with the swing arms ive asked people but not gotten back to me and not a problem you put out good vids

[@andyroo8uk685]

and heck why i aint subed you but i have now haha

[@soma_rc]

I don't get how this got through wltoys QC (if there is such a thing). Just don't buy it.

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

Thanks for watching buddy

[@derekhobbs1102]

I hate it when a premium product like Snap On has cogging. Pistol drill at work is really bad.

[@tooleyzrc1973]

Test it in deep grass

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

Already done that with the 124016 mate,

Oh wow, just got a EAT14. The cogging is horrendous! I did watch other videos before this one where the car seemed fine! Argh.

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

Thanks for watching Sandos, yes unfortunately the Eachine eat14 suffers from the cogging issue just like the earlier models of the wltoys brushless buggies. The new V2 wltoys models have a smaller pinion I believe it’s a 19t

[@deerrango]

Good videos , it could be a lot better if you wouldn't repeat yourself so much and drag out the video..

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

Thanks for watching