WNF 2.11 Elegant (Luigi) vs Sparg0 (Cloud) - Grand Finals - Smash Ultimate

[@jimothyj2638]

90% of comments: "guys why is everyone bullying poor spargo???" 5% of comments: random stuff 5% of comments: actually bullying spargo

[@Pontificate]

Jimothy j I’m gonna type here so I have the first comment on a top comment

[@ctpp64]

I scrolled down pretty far and there’s actually a lot more elegant hate.

[@tropicar6942]

20% comments calling out that people are arguing against nothing

[@SOLO-gd6en]

All comments are of people defending sparg0 but no one actually trash talks him here.

[@turtletaco6164]

Fr

[@jixezwcon9]

I know. It almost seems that the defenders are the pussies.

[@wontonsoup4916]

People just like having a moral high ground to be praised by others.

[@mrshadowskeleton4769]

I guess either the guilt invaded them, they know is ridiculous to mess up with a kid, or their morals are high

[@SOLO-gd6en]

Mrshadow skeleton It’s a tournament ffs

[@owenstroud5656]

Jesus I literally don't see any comments bullying Spargo I don't what y'all so obsessed with

[@TakedaGaming12345]

I almost forgot Elegant and Spargo are in the same wifi crew

[@JaquaviouszTTV]

Wut wifi crew ?

[@sebaschan-uwu]

What crew is that?

[@TakedaGaming12345]

All Victory aka AV

[@TakedaGaming12345]

Basically best wifi crew

[@iamrhebeastuwoeship]

Wow I legitimately didn't know that

[@MicahPhua]

All of this Sparg0 hate is hilarious. He hasn't caused any drama in the community, or been toxic in games (whether in victory or defeat), or anything of the sort. He's 13 years old, seems chill enough, and is most definitely an amazing Cloud player. Seriously, what's the problem? Haha, I truly don't get it. Keep it up, Sparg0, you rock.

[@JPegMusics]

Micah Phua there’s hate for that player? Huh. I haven’t kept up. Only heard about Ally’s retirement (and reasoning) and Bocchi’s lack of n word pass. Sparg0 seems like he can go far if he continues. And I hope he does

[@MicahPhua]

@@JPegMusics Same, mate, I had no idea there was hate for Sparg0 until I read through some of the comments on this video haha. I can't wait to see what he's got up his sleeve, with Cloud and anyone else he picks up.

[@realgamerhours1712]

Yeah why woukd they hate him? Like maybe because he's a cloud main but he's not even top 10 or anything

[@luc3238]

radi Bocchis lack of N-word pass? Did something else happen other than her getting bullied after she beat ally?

[@MatthewSauceda]

I think it’s very impressive that a kid is beating or even facing people that have been playing basically as long as he’s been alive lol and he’s actually taking Ws.

[@dillon348]

Just a father and son playing video games

[@sebassharass]

they are casual

[@jakeystarsuper]

@@sebassharass no they're not

[@OfficerShaneWalsh]

Are you kidding me? haha

[@devenp.5508]

So if spargo is reading some comments just so you know dude all the people talking shit are probably 17 and way worse at the game than you, keep your head up kid you’ve got a bright future in this horrible community.

[@greenamogus]

Very wholesome and true comment. The only thing I would change IMO is "way worse at the game than you" because it just might imply or sound like he is bad at this game. He is better than all the people in these comment section.

[@z-past1454]

theFareulookinat Cloud isn’t that bad.

[@sunny_dany]

@@Ropalme1914 Cloud is def high tier still lmao spargo just needs to work in certain departments and a big part of this is just top player mentality as well we'll see

[@stevencontreras84]

@theFareulookinat Cloud is low high tier at worst..you are just talking shit..

[@CardGameForum]

Imagine thinking 17 is old

[@Minister_of_Magic_1997]

Elegant did a great job exploiting clouds recovery. It hurt me to see Sparg0 lose like that.

[@stevencontreras84]

What did you expect? Thats basically his playstyle: Up B after Up B.. Elegant noticed it lol

[@Minister_of_Magic_1997]

steven contreras true. Haha, I meant that in the sense of his recovery though. Not just his up B. Obviously his recovery is SUPER exploitable. especially when you can parry it like elegant was doing.

[@chrislopez5301]

steven contreras just how 13yr old would play the game lol

[@rochops6272]

Chris Lopez you act like he's bad. He's def better than all of us in the comments. Unless you're MKleo or something.

[@Minister_of_Magic_1997]

Rochops Qwerty the fact that he beat void and consistently places high in bracket is a statement enough.

[@Thefuhhinfoo]

Spargo made some great improvements considering his getting bodied in Winners.

[@anthonysteinerv]

Considering he is 13 and using Cloud I'd say he is godtier, ofc he makes a lot of mistakes but his mixups are insane

[@tsean1106]

Anthony Steiner children have a lot potential think we should stop seeing his age as a limiting factor

[@marnsdnfois7006]

@@tsean1106 The only real difference between someone young and someone old is that the older person had more time on their hands--but even with that if the younger person has spent more total time practicing, they're going to be better.

[@idklike3210]

T-L-G-T-W young people have more flexible muscle memory and worse at the decision making part of the game.

[@idklike3210]

So it goes both ways

[@tinodamatsatsa2669]

Elegant got murdered in the first match

[@Chris-dy1cb]

I wouldn't say it was that clean cut of a victory for spargo

[@trainercody8132]

@@Chris-dy1cb First matches usually just test the waters on habits.

[@stormcutter59]

It's funny how in this day in age you usually see a problem with people OVERLY defending someone rather than people ACTUALLY bullying someone online. With that said I have yet to see a single solitary comment bullying Spargo

[@TONyjustRoCks]

This is the same thing that happened to Waluigi supporters. 1 guy allegedly threatened Sakurai over excluding him. Now EVERYONE is like "StOp HaRaSsInG SaKuRaI" to anyone who supports Waluigi. We live in a day of false outrage and groupthink. Quick to accuse and feel offended, not quick to think.

[@itamar_da_god5651]

@@TONyjustRoCks I agree 100%

[@domothebro2435]

Havent seen one comment trash talking but like 80 defending spargo?

[@poppukonfilm]

What did you say about spargo?!?!!

[@duckmanband4895]

@@poppukonfilm ?

[@poppukonfilm]

/s

[@PhoenixSplash]

They might have been removed or down voted

[@Super_Smash_Dude]

11:24 That was one of the most elegant things I have seen from Elegant! Great stuff:D

[@z-past1454]

theFareulookinat I don’t understand. It’s like you guys want smash to be strictly casual

[@stevencontreras84]

@theFareulookinat Like SpargO spamming UpB 90% of the time

[@stevencontreras84]

@theFareulookinat Are you blind? Kid's been spamming UpB during the whole match, Elegant even punished him for doing it. I get you are a fanboy but this is just beyond ridiculous....

[@z-past1454]

theFareulookinat Man, it only kills at around 50 and it has to be on the ground. You are filthy casual

[@matadorr2513]

I have no idea why some of you guys are shit-talking Spargo, he is doing his best for his age and is already a very clean Cloud Player, even more impressive since the character is less abusable in ultimate. He got great reads, great spacing, and nice ledge traps, even if he has some bad habits. He respects Elegant's luigi because luigi can gimp/bullshit his way to victory. I play frequently against a good Luigi player and i can't get my head around some of his frame data and gimmicks in ultimate (especially down b, this move is incredible if you don't respect it). Pay some respects to the kid, he would body you any day of the week.

[@getbenttt]

Grudgge daive people are jealous bc they can’t be in grand finals like spargo

[@infinitedepression4508]

I may be looking in the wrong places but where is the hate comments.

[@julliansabulao4091]

You can go to Elite Smash and find a bunch Cloud Mains that play like this. Also not everybody has time for tournaments. Don’t even try to lecture me in the comments people, I know what I’m talking about because I’ve ran into a bunch of good Cloud players myself

[@DBSMoonMaster]

Damn if only that last second limit charge was quicker then he could’ve Super Up B

[@flyingfish1138]

Sparg0 is kind of my smash idol. I’ve done some local tournaments before and rn I’m 14 years old. Feels good to see there’s fellow kids out there younger than me able to go up against the greats

[@dawsongarner7554]

I agree. I am 14 As well and Sparg0 gives me inspiration to go to tournaments and play to the best of my ability.

[@FreeFormSportss]

Same bout to go to my first local but I also live in Miami so once I’m good I have ceo to attend to :) I hope to see you all there when we’re adults

[@julliansabulao4091]

I’m 13 blah blah blah inspiration blah blah blah tournaments no screw tournaments I have to go to school

[@flyingfish1138]

Jullian Sabulao hey man, is that really needed?

[@We_BDT]

I'd love to go and just *watch* a local, but where I live, I can't find any near me

[@GessekaiMoon]

I dunno what the commotion about bullying is. But when Sparg0 lost to Marss, there were a shit ton of annoying comments from Marss fans. I feel people get upset because Sparg0 is so young, but is competing with top 8 players.

[@idkyetish]

Good work from Elegant! Sparg0 is getting very good experience!

[@tiangou1796]

The kid was amazing.. and congratulations to Elegant!

[@jasonreiser]

Sparg0 played so well he just needs to improve his edge guards, especially against Luigi’s shit recovery

[@shroomshroom7566]

Jay Reiser But cloud cannot edgeguard, his recovery is worse if he does not have limit

[@skylarfox_bmb]

That third game they just traded quick stocks

[@subscribersandthiseggwillhatch]

Characters you want to see win: 1: Your Main/Luigi 2: Your Secondary/Wario 3:Pichu 4:Pikachu 5: Little Mac 6: King DDD 7: Donkey Kong 8: King K. Rool 9: Incineroar 10: Pokémon Trainer

[@jorgenbluered2151]

For the love of goopta put ten extra minutes of filler so I can't tell who will win when I pause it. Other channels that do this really leave hope for come backs or longer games. Just some advice great vid.

[@kep2871]

just... don’t pause the video or look ahead. that advice literally just makes all the people that want to watch a short and sweet set waste a solid amount of time. hell, I skip to the end sometimes if I’m just not digging the set anyways

[@jorgenbluered2151]

@@kep2871 ...you don't have to watch the filler and putting it in doesn't make the actual fight any longer. My idea is that if I see someone needing to take 2 sets to win and there is only 8 minutes left, I already know who won. Ruining a part of the entertainment. But to each his own.

[@BlessedCobra]

Yeah i get you. I usually just squint my eyes or try to cover the time of the video, especially for grand finals and stuff.

[@jorgenbluered2151]

@@BlessedCobra I know your pain exactly fellow smasher.

[@philorgneopolotin8762]

Wow the difference in skill between these two characters is insane. One just spamming long ranged moves with a sword, while the other one has to finesse around him for every point of damage

[@castsmeteor3]

Sparg0! Your Cloud is amazing and you make him look so good! Keep your head up! Cloud buffs are coming soon regardless of what anyone says 👍🏻

[@Muppet567]

You got your wish!

[@Burntheadversary]

Very nice elegant in the driver seat all day. Buckle up folks

[@rikyjacho9653]

Well done elegant!! So powerful

[@Hedge_42]

Aye I definitely needed to watch this!! Spargo you did great dude!! You have given me new things to try with my own cloud! Keep going in being a top smash player!!

[@frewtlewps1152]

How is Sparg0 already this good at the game! Keep up the amazing work buddy

[@julliansabulao4091]

Not to be a jerk but you can go to Quickplay and find at least a dozen Cloud Mains that play like this. He’s good, but he’s getting clapped because of his habits, like doing Up-B out of shield a lot.

[@idklike3210]

Jullian Sabulao that’s to be expected. A more flexible muscle memory gives room of bad habits.

[@pkabby6863]

@Jaisal Mr. Game & Watch's oos option.

[@nicholassanchezart]

Elegant looks like spargo is his little brother

[@andressagredo1509]

Wow sparg0 just keeps getting better and better, so cool to see new talent

[@SlusheeSSB]

3:18, Spargo didn’t go into Shield at all. Commentators don’t think anymore

[@LDPRxPS3x1]

@theFareulookinat 3:15

[@yobelegend]

5 years later.

[@ShinSennju]

What an explosive matchup, both characters have the potential to utterly destroy the other one.

[@Archiez2]

Dang this kid is so smart

[@olivierhoule3122]

12:44 66.6

[@hugothecuban]

The stage music is the real mvp

[@SomeoneWeird-vx5jx]

Elegant and Spargo have gotten a pretty interesting rivalry going. And now that Spargo mains Pyra and Mythra I can't wait to see them in offline again.

[@Jfoltz39]

Good work Spargo. You’ll get it next time!

[@brownsfan3290]

I’ve found a lot of the Sparg0 hate on replies to other comments

[@mr.e9051]

Sparg0 is my dad

[@LDPRxPS3x1]

Excuse me wtf

[@SomeoneWeird-vx5jx]

yeah uh-hu sure

[@wanderingthoughts6389]

Good games, they both played great.

[@coltonjohnson4384]

Idk who to cheer for Elegant plays luigi which is my main But spargo is a fellow 13 year old

[@mangoc4t185]

DatDerp Dog wait he’s 13? He looks like 11 or 10 no offense

[@t.h.mcelroy6597]

Excellent set, my boys. Keep at it ♥️

[@eckoman92]

Anybody know why elegants tag is "lauren"?

[@xyliahvortex661]

His gf

[@ObeseWizard]

Man it would be so awkward to be in Elegant's position. If you lose, you just lost to a 13 year old (which is honestly not a big deal IMO but people would make it into a big deal), and if you win then you just feel bad for beating a 13 year old.

[@Freakybananayo]

Luigi is probably the least forgiving character in the whole game. His punish game is crazy, step out of line once and you're dead to an up B out of shield or a nasty grab combo. Elegant was sick as always, and Sparg0 did really good in this pretty bad matchup (easily edgeguarded and grab combo'd)

[@danymach2565]

Me gustaría, ver una pelea de spargo va bocchi

[@ThemCoversMB]

Good stuff. I like seeing z air come into play this much

[@joehmajma]

Elegant looked so disappointed after that first match... I mean I’ve been 3 stocked by people that I 3 stocked and that feels bad enough. Sparg0 is so young and being 2 stocked like Elegant did must feel terrible... after all, he is a professional.

[@oscararenas525]

In my opinion, both are good as fuck, Sparg0 is too young and is a amazing player, i love his cloud. And Elegant is insane, i main Luigi just for him, this players will go far. Good vibes for both.🔥

[@cloudy0712]

Finally some good Cloud action

[@soulsmash2880]

commentary volume was really low????

[@metalguy02]

El sparg0 con el.uniforme de a secu grande sparg0

[@joeldbaker]

Now Elegant can get back to the Rocinante and figure out what happened on Eros

[@sendo8406]

Most comments: good work amazing set! The rest of the comments: Leave spargo alone, you guys are just jealous. Me: tf...nigga who...where?

[@JoiyGaming]

*ELEGANT BEATS UNBORN FETUS*

[@lokeijak]

Spargo is up against the top dawg. Sparg is gonna take over pretty soon. Kid is a damn beast

[@EdeYOlorDSZs]

Spargo is insanely good for his age, also just a great set.

[@SamA-dn6hf]

Elegant got his revenge but spargo has too much potential

[@kakarotlovesgames6962]

Two characters that I use going at it! So cool 😎

[@eseguerito2629]

It’s like Elegant is fighting his younger self.

[@jacobonline6994]

Why is there so much sparg0 hate in the comments

[@citrusblast4372]

I think its a mix of cloud apathy and the fact hes fighting elegant, there is a bias in favor of him

[@Bork_Cruk]

Because people hate cloud mains. It's an annoying character.

[@dianadamanita8079]

Jealous of sparg0 talent i think. Seeing him using cloud (one of the worst character in ultimate) so good they get salty and hate him.

[@toxronin3971]

Because he’s young I’m sure

[@zedek6709]

Where?

[@QperG]

Tough scene for Cloud

[@thr0waway]

Sparg0 is good but Cloud is held back by crippling flaws. It's why he rarely shows up in pro play. But honestly, fix those flaws and he still wouldn't be top tier, the rest of the top tiers are all more broken in their own way. Cloud's solid neutral isn't good enough to compensate for his downsides. Would love buffs to him.

[@sunny_dany]

@@thr0waway Eh his main flaw is his recovery and with limit being nerfed i'm pretty sure you see limit recovery less but cloud still has good things he makes sense now and he has one of the best out of shield options in the game he's balanced and I think he's high tier

[@lmao2302]

I feel like this match up is cloud favor easy.

[@Flare8295]

The best Cloud in Ultimate VS the best Luigi in Ultimate

[@supersims796]

Elegant isn't doing anything with Luigi that we cannot do. He isn't using some alternative form of Luigi. If he's doing well with Luigi, that means *he's taking full advantage of what Luigi is capable of doing.* It annoys me when people act like it's some secret skill. If you wanna do as well as he is with Luigi, put in that work.

[@supersims796]

Posted this twice, my bad. I'm keeping it.

[@finzz4636]

people never said it was a secret skill lol they just said that elegant is really good at luigi and shows how in the hands of elegant luigi looks like a high tier there was a bowser that beat marss and a top olimar (forgot his name) and came 2nd in a big league tournament, you dont hear people saying "omg bowser is like so good look at this he's top tier" they're just saying that he's so epic at bowser that he *does* look top tier i don't think u can miss the point any more than u currently have

[@Foolery99]

Still lots of sloppy rolls from Elegant. I hope he breaks that habit!

[@ado_4297]

Props to both players but elegant's luigi is fucking mental.

[@moss7910]

Both players played well Good set

[@michaeljames6737]

Sparg0 your a amazing cloud man ignore everyone your a legend in the smash bros community

[@theblackening76]

michael james a legend with what results

[@jennaye8142]

Sucks to be as good as Sparg0 but still get the same sh*tty Cloud recovery. I felt that pain of that loss...

[@harambe6972]

They look like siblings

[@bravenwolf4859]

alright note to self plunger beats sword

[@dallennelsen5521]

I think spargo is the next mk Leo and at this age being this good already he might overtake the best player in the world when he is about 17.

[@urtletay]

limit is so weak now

[@infinitedepression4508]

RalphMG21 it’s weak now cuz it was broken in 4

[@urtletay]

@@infinitedepression4508 good

[@stevencontreras84]

@@urtletay he is telling the truth tho

[@CamFGC]

Yet Roy's side b killing at 90 is perrfeecctllyyyy finnneeee

[@HakuzaPK]

Camron Cook does it tho?

[@motokisano9827]

Are they using pro controller?

[@bananers6941]

Obito nah, gamecube

[@motokisano9827]

ORANGE GOD Thanks

[@humanbass]

Elegant won by having a stronger mental game thanks to the powers of...being an adult.

[@sebaschan-uwu]

He won because sparg0 is carried by cloud

[@greedo194]

@@sebaschan-uwu dude, have some respect. He's 13 years old! Also, cloud really isn't that good. He beat and competed with multiple top players (including elegant and void) of which most used better characters. Don't whine about cloud, it's not smash 4

[@CrimsonArzuros]

Why does being an adult matter in regards to mentality? I'm not adult.

[@sebaschan-uwu]

@@greedo194 He is, and I can whine about whatever I want. Do you think he could beat those top players without such a brain dead character?

[@theapistevist8128]

Sparg0 has better reaction time by just being younger, so . . . Being an adult doesn't mean one has better mental fortitude.

[@Fuzzy24752]

I'm not a fan of Sparg0 but he deserves to win just as much as all other hard working players

[@kazbeard]

11:41 Did Elegant just turned around while he was doing a grab?

[@frikken20]

He does that all the time.

[@nicklong7442]

It’s called a pivot grab. Works wonders. Got super nerfed from smash 4 tho. Pivot grabs were a huge thing in the meta. Now it’s almost non existent.

[@Scyxurz]

Kinda annoying how often they say "up-b out of shield" when it's not actually out of shield

[@jacobkunkle6393]

They look like brothers

[@marco6725]

Yotube updated their profile picture

[@ami-kun]

Damn elegant bout to make that kid cry 😢

[@animlwins5691]

Elegant is wild

[@Firelord_Ozen]

Honestly when it comes to straight neutral Spargo would have won this set. He got gimped for the majority of his deaths due to his character’s bad recovery. He’s such a good player.

[@donkylefernandez4680]

Sparg0 looks like he'd rock a polo shirt

[@CharleswoodSpudzyofficial]

Wow that cloud player is great

[@Freakybananayo]

Wish players didn't look so angry after winning lol

[@MrJonyxmas]

Good job elegant!

[@geraiv586]

well played elegant

[@paulnoell39]

Surprising because this is a good matchup for Luigi

[@lmao2302]

???????????????? how

[@christopherholfester8137]

Respect for him not playing fort like all the other kids his age

[@JPAYMENT]

yes

[@finzz4636]

yes

[@bumbumjum9836]

yes

[@LDPRxPS3x1]

positive

[@BN99239]

Thank god Elegant won. This kid is just so freaking good!

[@owouwu6307]

Glad elegant won! Love Luigi

[@frankimaserati1395]

Best cloud fr.. respect lil nigga m2k needs main cloud again

[@slicknick333]

Y is sparg0 always looking depressed lol

[@jonpfluger9376]

Sparg0 is incredible. He carries Cloud for sure.

[@sarasaland4709]

You sure Elegant isn’t Chester Cheetah? Because that win was dangerously cheesy.

[@Chris-dy1cb]

That's how you play the matchup. How is that cheese

[@seansolo3583]

Soyboy just because that’s how you play the matchup doesn’t mean it’s not super cheesy when elegant gimps Sparg0’s recovery at dumb percents

[@Tlanesi]

Luigi is a cheese character period.

[@Chris-dy1cb]

Lol at everyone forgetting down b gimps in smash 4

[@seansolo3583]

Soyboy not smash 4 tho

[@LDPRxPS3x1]

I'm glad Elegant won honestly. I got to give Sparg0 praise becaude he did a pretty nice job though, especially for his age. Great set overall

[@simonsimon5938]

elegant i love you