Woke Localizers SEETHE As Japanese Publishers Replace Them

[@yamato9753]

This Situation TL:DR Publishers: "I'll allow you to translate our Stuff for your dubs" Localisers: "Thank you!" *butchers translation* Publisher: "That's... Not our stuff" Localisers: "Yes it is! We just removed cultural differences" *shows every bias possible in one translation* Publisher: "... Fine, I'll do it myself" Localisers: "NOOO, YOU *BUZZWORD* !!!"

[@weltsiebenhundert]

Sadly, that is only because ONE/SOME loud Xer/Tweeter...

[@ricardohoang8452]

@@weltsiebenhundert Well, they see AIs, they lost their minds 😂

[@yamato9753]

@@victornoel36 You literally didn't see the video, did you? AI translations are being quality controlled by Humans.

[@yumri4]

The editor will have his/her job changed a bit to making sure AI translation mistakes do not get through and it reads like correct English. No Translation AI is perfect so it will make mistakes that the editor will have to catch and correct so they might have to know both Japanese and English. For how their works read afterwards will feel different as AI translations read different from human translations of a book they just want to get done and over with not changing a thing which are different from activist translations.

[@yamato9753]

@@yumri4 Exactly. An example I like to do is this Situation: A typical perv student looks under the skirt of a classmate and she calls him "hentai!". Normal Translations would say "pervert", activist translations would say something along "you sexist!"

[@CreamMonarch]

-smuggly laughs and mocks people, their culture, and language -surprised pikachu faces when said people don't hire them to accurately and respectfully translate culture and language *WELL WELL WELL, IF IT ISN'T THE CONSEQUENCES OF MY OWN ACTIONS.*

[@matrixster6238]

Unironically using the words “They don’t care about the works they’re ruining” to describe anyone but the trash localizers is hilarious

[@yozen1995]

I legit thought it was a comment from the publishers talking about the localizers.

[@ethanissupercool7168]

@@yozen1995legit was about the say the same exact thing

[@Just_a_guy_who_likes_stuff]

hm.

[@aj.j5833]

The way she translating also show she has no respect for Japanese and their culture as well. Translating Imoto to Sister shows she has no cultural understanding and respect.

[@crosszealkruezfahrerwolfra8787]

Let them worry about their money due to red number of revenue in their company

[@OM3GA-Z3RO]

The world is healing... just not fast enough. They should sue Katrina for artistic vandalism, ruining other creators art.

[@weltsiebenhundert]

Suing needs even longer. Just let her ramble and slowly lose all her "FANS"

[@Tamachii12]

@@weltsiebenhundert She has fans ?

[@squadbroken962]

@@weltsiebenhundert It* Not "her", not "him", *it*

[@shaicat]

"Make them regret their decision to disrespect human art!" imagine having the gall to think your deliberate mistranslations are 'art'

[@b.w.s3165]

They unironically think that taking part in localizing something and totally butchering its original intent so it ""sits better with current times and audiences"" somehow ties them to a piece of writing's creation in any conceivable way. Most localizers have never created anything their whole life, they can only leech off the original works and effort of others.

[@SherrifOfNottingham]

@@b.w.s3165 See what I hate about all this is how people shit on ALL localizers, which is a legitimate thing and necessary for people who don't want to learn Japanese just to watch anime. The problem we're having now is that localizers aren't paid enough to do the job, so the only people doing the job are the people that have an ulterior motive.

[@talkingtakotaco8611]

They are completely ideologically possessed. The localizers really think they are doing good, while activly hating and harming the works they work on. They truly need to be rooted out and stringently filtered.

[@b.w.s3165]

@@SherrifOfNottingham That's why I said "most", not all.

[@kamikaze5528]

@@SherrifOfNottingham Every singe localizer is garbage, no exception. Fire them all and get the translators back.

[@Nicky2414]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Get bent, localizers.

[@thejaegerbomber99]

"Make then regret their decision to disrespect human art." What they're doing isn't art. It's propaganda.

[@Wolf-fighter]

actually localizers disrespect the art . i assumed the comment was about localizers needing to regret it. but it seems they talk the crap while beeing the ones doing it lol like always woke idiots .

[@wrongthinker843]

Yep, and they are disrespecting the art they're twisting.

[@gurmyigoll3535]

We must make these "localizers" regret their decision to disrespect human art.

[@thecuza9716]

They would proudly and wholeheartedly agree with you on that. In their worldview, _all_ art is inherently propaganda. Even if the creator didn't make it that way on purpose, they still did it subconsciously without realizing it. Therefore, anything that isn't their (good and correct) propaganda must be the enemy's (evil and wrong) propaganda by default, and it's their moral duty to stop it from corrupting the stupid, impressionable masses. If they can't "fix" it, they'll just destroy it. I remember one of the big localization companies buying the localization rights to some anime they found offensive just so that _nobody_ could localize it.

[@Ultima1134]

It's genuinely disgusting that these people are allowed to keep their jobs while behaving this way and doing the worst possible job they can.

[@daki7070]

You know why ? Nobody got the balls to kick them off because they are afraid. Remember when Eminem said there was many Slim Shady being exactly like him ? Those are the people they are trying to get off only to fail as they seem always coming back by another way

[@memesofwarhemmer7076]

They acted like jerks and were surprised when they were told to leave 😅

[@lostinthenight2005]

localizers: surprise pikachu face

[@jakethornton4856]

It's so funny that anime translation is literally the only job I have heard of that people aren't upset about AI being used because fans are so upset over the human translators they wud prefer AI. People rage over video game companies or movies/tv using AI but when it comes to anime translation we are all like "screw those clowns" and they did it to themselves

[@williamrodriguez8957]

That's about where I'm at too. Even the community translators are using AI now, and MTL has come a long way from when I was reading the old DxD translations back in 2015.

[@Ashkihyena]

It’s their own damn fault.

[@airiakizuki5592]

imagine doing your job properly and complaining when youre replaced for NOT doing your job

[@aj.j5833]

It is always their own fault and even fact she translated Imoto to sister shows she has no understanding of Japanese culture and has no respect for it. It means little/younger sister and distinguishing between younger and older siblings is very important in Japan and all rest of East Asia.

[@Just_a_guy_who_likes_stuff]

True

[@OrenIshiii-rg7sr]

Vexturn: Localizers proudly Brags About Butchering Sentai Filmworks English Localization Of 2.5 Dimensional Seduction Also Vexturn: English Localizers Furious Over Japanese Publisher Shogakukan's decision to use AI Translation for Light Novels ... Are you surprise BePD got something to get angry about?

[@scrapeddiamonds5776]

and yet they blame us.

[@merafirewing6591]

As a Gen Z, I find most of our jokes as downright terrible or mediocre. And her translations are outright worthless.

[@robertschwalb4469]

Thank you. Nearly all of the slang and such from Gen Z is downright cringey, especially when used in a story like it was shown here. I don't think anything would rip me out of a story more.

[@merafirewing6591]

@@robertschwalb4469 heck even I avoid it to.

[@dwainsimmons3447]

Were millennial jokes even better? I believe millennial jokes were way worse.

[@curious9904]

​@dwainsimmons3447 using any kind of generation specific slang for localization is just a bad move, imagine seeing "rofl" or "sigma" or "deez" in any translation and you can already see how immersion breaking or just straight up cringe that would be

[@eduardoherrera2368]

I mean, slangs are bad on their own; doesn't matter which generation it comes from.

[@shaicat]

Localizers: "They don't care about the works they're ruining!!" that's rich

[@GarudoHS]

no, its not. you could say "that's rich" if those localizers had any value from begining 😎

[@xqzqcv7950]

Well.. Localizers do care, they care about hating fun, hating the fans and the mediums

[@momokosakurada605]

majority of the localizers are woke nowadays the only ones that arent are fans which are those fan group

[@riddif]

@@GarudoHS so they're beggars begging

[@longtsun8286]

They're the Kathleen Kennedys of the anime industry.

[@noangles1564]

When people refuse to do their job properly, but are still suprise when they are fired or replaced

[@shmagojirafan5607]

Localizers getting filtered feels SO cathartic

[@PlaystationTaxation69999]

Unfortunately it's not on Anime and Manga, it's just the LN. (Hopefully Anime is next.)

[@Just_a_guy_who_likes_stuff]

Indeed

[@crosszealkruezfahrerwolfra8787]

So let them have fun with this

[@OrenIshiii-rg7sr]

Vexturn: Localizers proudly Brags About Butchering Sentai Filmworks English Localization Of 2.5 Dimensional Seduction Also Vexturn: English Localizers Furious Over Japanese Publisher Shogakukan's decision to use AI Translation for Light Novels ... Are you surprise BePD got something to get angry about?

[@cesargonzalez4146]

​@@PlaystationTaxation69999Is pretty much in the pipeline, this AI technology is advancing at such rate that makes even Moore Law obsolete, from weird hands to photorealism in less than three years, from weird writing to writing most news articles today, and it probably has no difficulty translating from one language to other, it just needs to be feed with data, and everything we write in the internet is eventually food for the machine.

[@MaxxSea]

Japanese Publishers: Now we don't have to worry about customers getting mad at us for using AI. Thanks wokealizers!

[@elitronprime7322]

Aww how cute, the localizers are furious cause the consequences of doing a shit job has finally caught up to them

[@Dante999000]

Yup but instead of owning their mistakes and learning, they instead got angry and do a tantrum like little kids; wow so very mature.

[@yassiramrijal]

​@@Dante999000yes, so mature like a kid raging then destroying his toys

[@oxydoxxo]

They're just mad they can't take the ball home with them

[@edenwayne8407]

I would prefer for real people to be payed, but until these ones starts doing their jobs properly, I don't mind them using ai.

[@davidford3115]

Agreed. When real people start doing their jobs right, I will advocate for them. Until then, let the AI rule the roost.

[@yawx5]

"They don't care about the works they're ruining!!" the audacity

[@ridleydaemonia1134]

The hypocrisy, too

[@touvampire]

Right!, I mean it is their work, its not like the localizers are the owners of said work.

[@Anvica]

Katrina is part of the problem from Higurashi to Inukai, it wasn't even liberal translations but actual translation errors as well with no oversight

[@jayIG]

im only on ch5 of higu how did they translate/localize question arcs.

[@setsuna200]

Uh, they removed that "tig biities" from that scene and properly translated the scene. I just re watched the episode on HI-Dive. I think she may have been fired.

[@LIGHTANGEL_EX]

I hope she was fired. She doesn't deserve any work.

[@davidford3115]

At first I thought it was the character trying to be cute. On learning that it was Katrina's handy work, I am horrified and disgusted.

[@Momoyue]

I hope she gets fired, but she probably won't. If she was fired, she would loudly complain about it on Twitter.

[@littlebee7147]

Doesn't matter. You have to realize that, like all the issues with localizers, the only reason why they changed it is because she got caught. Imagine all the stuff that wasn't caught or people said nothing about and walked away.

[@nightcall7398]

I hope shes fired and eating out of garbage bins now.

[@Justin_0241]

Kat and other woke localizers: Let's mistranslate those animes Fan Translators and Publishers: Not for us Freedom Fighters

[@MetaLord395]

They f'ed around and found out Edit: Holy shit, almost 1k likes?!

[@cfcblue8]

Translators: I am in charge. Japan: Do you feel in charge?

[@VelvetSanity]

They wokalyzed around and found out 😉

[@OrenIshiii-rg7sr]

Vexturn: Localizers proudly Brags About Butchering Sentai Filmworks English Localization Of 2.5 Dimensional Seduction Also Vexturn: English Localizers Furious Over Japanese Publisher Shogakukan's decision to use AI Translation for Light Novels ... Are you surprise BePD got something to get angry about?

[@brokeninfinitysonic1]

Love that line.

[@davidford3115]

@@OrenIshiii-rg7sr Yeah, I was drawn into the series 2.5 Seduction by the fan translated video clips and am horrified to know Katrina butchered it.

[@Sgt_SealCluber]

Katrina is the primary reason I 🏴‍☠Hidive anime now. The secondary is they ruined their entire site to add that stupid "black screen when you try to screenshot" DRM. Sentai was ok enough before they got bought by AMC. Now they are just the cheaper, because they have a small catalogue, CR; 🐩💩.

[@berubettonyan]

It is insane, Crunchyroll localization is already not that good, but Hidive localization is on another level, its just buzzwords and random garbage the entire way through.

[@evilmar2363]

Localizers using weeb as an insult is so telling why they don't belong in this profession

[@Shiirow]

that word originated a slur against anime and manga enjoyers, its never had a positive connotation.

[@evilmar2363]

@@Shiirow some people call themselves weebs in a non insulting manner but yeah a majority of the time it's used with a negative connotation

[@ogueyratogeyrat7448]

no sht they get in for nepotism

[@redpuma2888]

@@Shiirow "slur" 💀are you really calling weeb a slur

[@comyuse9103]

@@Shiirow it has exclusively had a positive connotation for almost a decade now

[@sticklyboi]

katrina is the architect of her very own downfall had she not dicked around with translating shit and did her job properly, localizing would never have been brought into question and alternative solutions may not have been explored or considered as much shes not the _only_ one responsible obviously but she is definitely a big reason

[@johnbrockiii2]

how tf is katrina still getting work?!

[@LeonTheSaint44]

She must have serious shit on people to blackmail them

[@b.w.s3165]

She won't be soon. Hopefully. But even then she'll likely just become one of those talentless hack slacktivists that live off of the donations of gullible people purely because she's loud about ""supporting"" trans rights and representation or something. (even when it's terrible representation/pandering that lowkey implies grooming works) There's a lot of terminally online folks who would support the exact type of disgusting racist-in-disguise that she is simply because she shallowly supports LGBTQ+ people, and she's on "their" side politically. And in the eyes of many, hating on someone would be equivalent to hating on their ideas, and the views they support, rather than their actions and behavior. Sadly.

[@CecilTheDarkKnight234]

simple the localization industry is one big club/group, people like her will always have job until a company stands up and fires her.

[@aj.j5833]

Union, you have to be part of the union to get work.

[@talkingtakotaco8611]

The curren5 state of the western localization industry is a giant racket and is corrupt at its core.

[@IDESTROYER236]

"It was a calculated effort on her part." Damn, she's bad at math.

[@originalriekko8813]

"They only care about money!" -Someone with a vested financial interest in the outcome

[@scribblerjones]

1:28 - *Jumpscare warning.*

[@Forlong21]

I want direct translations... not localizers injecting their opinion into what they are translating

[@SherrifOfNottingham]

translators are localizers, people need to stop acting like this isn't the case just because they hate these twats.

[@OrphanHart]

Wouldn't have to use AI if they did a better job localizing things.

[@mythicalskeleton1546]

Who would've known that japan wants to have their media come off as intended instead of whatever political opinions the localizers have or the memes they think is funny

[@redpuma2888]

Japan'sm media is already riddled with political opinions and memes they think is funny

[@mythicalskeleton1546]

@redpuma2888 The thing is, most of us want to escape the US political opinions and the memes from here when watching Japanese media

[@redpuma2888]

@@mythicalskeleton1546 SO basically you want to replace US political opinions with japanese political opinion which in itself is not so much different from US political opinions

[@mythicalskeleton1546]

@redpuma2888 We already hear enough US political opinions daily sometimes its better to try to enjoy media from another country because it isn't the exact thing we have to hear about everywhere in the US. Trying to say i want to replace American politics with Japanese politics when you claim they are so similar is a huge reach. First, i must ask, is your functioning from the reach, and second, do you really believe you can compare the things that are happening in the US to what is happening in Japan?

[@redpuma2888]

@@mythicalskeleton1546 yes i think i can compare them

[@Xadaj127]

"Make them regret their decision to disrespect human art!" Isn't this what the publishers are already doing to the localizers though? I find a lot of the narrative in this situation to be hilariously ironic. The things being said by localizers can be said ABOUT and TO the localizers who are saying them! The Hypocrisy never stops with these people...

[@13igworm]

I nearly flipped out when I read about Chads in the light novel I paid money for

[@RaginCanadian-gx2zl]

Digital or physical? Cause i havent run into any ridiculous translations. But i only buy physical.

[@13igworm]

@@RaginCanadian-gx2zl This is in the digital version of Tsukimichi: moonlight fantasy. They only say it once, but it's in the prologue

[@RaginCanadian-gx2zl]

@@13igworm ah ok, i figured. ive seen so much complaint about localizers in manga and every time i ask people just dont respond so it was either people lying or a digital problem cause ive never had a problem with physical.

[@plattbagarn]

@@RaginCanadian-gx2zl How to make a "girl" fall in love had a massive issue where the translator decided that the main character, the "girl" was actually trans when he was a crossdresser. Seven Seas Entertainment even had to correct all the instances where male pronouns were changed to female ones, for example where they would have called him a "he" or "boy" it had been changed to "she" or "girl", in a reprint of the physical volume 1. Of course, the excuse given was that "Japan doesn't really use pronouns" and "the translator is trans so they know what they're talking about". And to top off the shitcake. Katrina, that Rev brings up in this video, was defending the whole thing.

[@tinypopura]

The original was probably ikemen or something, and they assume weebs don't know what that is, so they used Chad instead.

[@cobinizer]

"Not caring about customers" is preferable to outright hostility towards customers. So, for customers, this is a win.

[@Arassar]

Oooooh, NOW THEY CARE ABOUT THE INTEGRITY OF THE MEDIUM?!?! Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. You WON'T be missed.

[@imalittletoxicjustalittle]

its crazy how they said "anime is ours not yours!" to anyone who disagrees with them when they admit that they hate the culture anime is from lmao, if we wanted woke American trash we already had plenty to chose from

[@touvampire]

Funny how they can claim anime is theirs when its origin is from Japan. Like bitches you stupid, it was never yours. 🤣🤣🤣

[@markF0601]

And nothing of value has been "lost".

[@Truth4None]

Every time. Every dang time. "Don't bite the hand that feeds."

[@Neil.02]

They don’t respect a language enough to properly translate it then they’ll act upset when they get replaced. I don’t feel much for them here.

[@Relkond]

They did the job with the same level of faith as the yasuke story was 'localized' for us westerners -- there should be no shock or surprise from anyone they got replaced.

[@UncensoredScion]

wow this is topical for me today because I had a discussion with one of those things in a different comment section, they didn't seem to understand that they're the problem. I tried to be polite in the least.

[@hightierplayers2454]

Good. They dug these holes, now they can live in them.

[@Koyuki_Yukihime]

Good for them , now we need Japanese game developer and publisher company to do this too , dont need localizer anymore .

[@josueveguilla9069]

Or Japanese publishers and companies can learn English themselves without relying on AI? Just a thought.

[@EmoSwords1]

@@josueveguilla9069 I grew up hearing that learning another language is hard, and that Japanese is the hardest. I really wish I knew it myself. I'd just import everything straight from Japan then.

[@Hater_Ultima]

Ai can do it.​@@josueveguilla9069

[@ZPu95]

@@josueveguilla9069 How about you stop being a selfish racist. These translators don't even speak Japanese, don't act like Japanese people need to in return.

[@deykicorvair9394]

@@josueveguilla9069 Maybe people can just learn japanese then

[@TheSquidPro]

This alone should fuel the AI boom. Localizers are literally a babylonian curse.

[@Dorian_Scott]

All they had to do was do their damn job!

[@FavoriteCentaurMoe]

The companies are using AI to cut costs. It's irrelevant how the localizers did their jobs

[@akagivmusic]

​@FavoriteCentaurMoe BULLSHIT it isnt irrelevant how they do there job! we want accurate localisation and not there own self inserted bs idc if ai steals there work, if they can't do there job right.

[@awen4784]

​@@FavoriteCentaurMoeyep localizer is irrelevant fuck them

[@davidford3115]

@@FavoriteCentaurMoe The good ones are being kept to provide oversight to the machine. The activists are getting cut for sabotaging the product. Don't apologize for the excess largess.

[@alexnorth2452]

​@@FavoriteCentaurMoe yes ai was gonna do some damage to this line of work, but odds are it wouldn't have cost these folks their jobs, but them going out of their ways to disrespect not only the art works, but the consumers as well made both sides of the community want to see them gone, you don't insult everyone you rely on and keep getting the paychecks, you do your job to the best of your ability, and the people who relied on you will want to keep you, don't use ai as an excuse for them to trash stuff, whether ai was gonna be a thing or not, they still did the same thing

[@hikarishini]

I'm an artist. As much as I hate AI arts, translation is not an art, it's math where 1+1=2. Also, corrupt humans are more dangerous than AI. If I need to choose someone to translate my work, I'll choose AI over the current localization team.

[@PlaystationTaxation69999]

Please temper your expectations. This is just the beginning. (Shogakukan also has two japanese conglomerates that promotes DEI investment throughout the entrie Anime and Manga industry.) Also, they're doing the same thing as Crunchyroll. (They're firing a bunch of localizers, so that the AI is going to be doing the translation. There's an 80% chance of it being woke considering that Crunchyroll is a subsidiaries of Sony in California. Which means they're making the subtitles and translations woke once they train it. Mark my words.) I'll keep my expectations very low if some DEI investor hurt the industry. (I might have to archive a bunch of manga in that case.)

[@Kwisatz-Chaderach]

"bUT muH aNImE iS BettER thAN weSTeRn cArtOons" cope incoming.

[@Zetact_]

It's not just that Shogakukan is embracing woke politics and the AI usually gets fed woke programming, it's also that getting rid of the TRANSLATION phase of the release does not actually have an impact on the LOCALIZATION phase other than, perhaps, fewer localizers having work (which means that the ones who do retain jobs have MORE influence in the industry). Like Katrina has gone on the record saying that most of the localizers in the industry don't speak a lick of Japanese. They are given a translation to check and tweak to fit the needs of the project (in a perfect world this would mean capturing character voice and nuance and making a line that sounds good and is accurate to the translation while remaining timed to the animation or in a manga fitting comfortably inside the speech bubble). By removing the human translator and feeding the text into a MTL model that only removes the phase of the translation where the translator has eyes on it and also that means that the translator won't be able to sort of "pre-filter" for things that a localizer wouldn't catch (the word "偽善者" is my personal pet peeve) and also if the localizer comes to one particular conclusion but isn't sure if that would actually work for the line, they don't even have the option of double checking with the translator to ask about what precisely the Japanese is saying.

[@SimplyKarma]

@@Zetact_ Finally someone gets it. This isn't the gotcha that a lot of people think it is. I'm fairly confident that most dubs will still have localizers no matter how much AI is used.

[@ZPu95]

I think it'd be obvious if it was woke like everything else so I don't know why you're acting like no one would notice

[@alexandercastleberry480]

VPN, transmission, nyaa

[@felixrowan646]

Imagine this so called "localizer" trying to pull the same BS in a similar line of work, say interpreter. What do they think would happen if their clients found out they were deliberately mistranslating conversations? They'd be fired at the very least, likely black-listed out of future work in that industry, and probably sued. They're lucky all they are getting is fired and black-listed.

[@ghoulbuster1]

Strike fear in the hearts of localizers.

[@terminologyGAH]

As a professional translator, I agree that AI have replaced many translators in the industry, but seriously, many translators deserve it. And if you're a good translator, your client will still hire you anyway. Not to mention AI really helps speed up the proofreading process and showing the value of good translators.

[@mythicalskeleton1546]

So many years of them ruining many series, now they complain that they are losing their jobs when they constantly brag about the terrible changes they do just because they hate the medium and everyone who enjoys it. Nobody feels sorry when they are faced with their replacement and aren't willing to do better

[@Majo_Ellen]

This takes me back to the infamous "Saizo & Beruka Support Rank: C" from Fire Emblem Fates. Worst localization ever. Stand up brothers. AI may not be the best, but at least it gives HONEST efforts because machines don't lie.

[@hollowlian9631]

Translator > AI > Localizer. Have a good day.

[@SherrifOfNottingham]

A translator is a localizer This is how brainless people are getting over this, and it hurts to watch. A bad localizer is a bad localizer, and there's a lot of bad localizers out there, but a translator IS a localizer. Translating is a form of localization.

[@hollowlian9631]

@@SherrifOfNottingham only way for some, i agree i am an idiot, to make a "distinction" between those who act in bad faith or disregard faithful translations.

[@kamikaze5528]

@@SherrifOfNottingham Nope. The objective of a translator is to convey the meaning of the text from one language to another. The objective of a localizer is to butcher the text so it's more palatable to the foreign language audience.

[@LuigiTheMetal64]

@@kamikaze5528 Correct. Translating is basically rendering the same intent into a different medium.

[@korumogl]

​@@SherrifOfNottingham Nope, you are full of shit on that one. A translation have the only job of getting one language and passing the meaning the best way possible to another one. A localizer is the guy who does CHANGES the original meaning trying to fit another local, and by doing that losing the original meaning. So no, a translator is not a localizer.

[@TheInnocentRabbitofCaerbannog]

Zero sympathies Total localizer loss

[@battlesheep2552]

Localizers: "i dont want to be replaced by AI" Fans: "so do your damn job!" Localizers: :| >:(

[@ChimourTheBatFurry]

Ideally we would have a system in place where the largest and most reputable of fan-sub teams ally themselves directly with companies like Shueasia and Toei. The best way to prevent piracy, is ironically to work with professional pirates.

[@CommanderBohn]

Good. They reap what they sow. Now anime and Japanese video games need to be liberated.

[@Outlandish_Wolfboy]

Please correct me if I'm wrong but Katrina doesn't even know Japanese and uses Google translate and other b******* to assist her and she's going to be talking all high and mighty

[@comyuse9103]

isn't she an editor? as in, she gets the actual translation and then mangles it. which, btw, is why this AI thing isn't the win people think it is; _editors_ are generally the issue afaik, actual translators are often ignored and disrespected after the jump.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

LolCowlizers aren't translators, they get english text from translators.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

@@comyuse9103 yes lolcowlizers aren't translators. The AI thing is the win people think it is because they are still cutting out lolcowlizers from the equation

[@comyuse9103]

@@marcogenovesi8570 it can lead to bigger wins, but there is just as good of a chance that this just cuts out the translators and leaves the editors, the people who do the most damage. seven seas (just as an example) had real translators, but had failed YA writers come in after the translation process and edit the actual translations (sometimes into wildly out of pocket bullshit, like turning a crossdressing boy into a trans girl). a translation AI wouldn't fix their issue.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

@@comyuse9103 Lolcowlizers are too mad about it for this to be impacting only the translators. The whole pipeline is getting replaced by a japanese company using AI translators and a small amount of editors to just check the translation

[@jiangshi400]

Is only fair when "we" disrespect the medium

[@anubis1800]

I don't want a fucking localizer. I want a translator. If it doesn't translate directly, put an asterisk and explain it (even though most of it probably doesn't need to be explained for veterans, there are new fans being born every day). I want to understand, and so does every other person of culture. Screw localizers. They brought their own ruin.

[@kingfreedom160]

This was only going to continue until the creators in Japan found out. They did this to themselves, never feel bad for them.

[@EvgeniMalkin2008]

Calls people weebs. As they're "localizing" anime and manga.

[@Weeboslav]

Nothing of worth is lost...

[@yufeng1707]

Gonna be real. I've been reading AI translations of light novels lately. It's very competent. There's hiccups here and there, but I'd rather take AI hiccups over localizer activist agendas made with the intention to mess with the author's story.

[@404Kiwi]

Funny thing about seven seas you know they're fully capable of just translating something just fine without inserting their own slop. Like creature girls. That manga has some shit I imagine would offend most of these localizers yet it was all left as is. I also want to add to the mtl novel stuff already being online. Almost none of it was proof checked or edited. Like sometimes you can read the AI advertising it's service in-between lol. Deepl especially liked to do this when it couldn't come up with a translation.

[@GrimOrc]

They fucked around and found out.

[@TurtleChad1]

I'd rather have AI than localizers. At least one isn't trying to shove their ideology.

[@ogueyratogeyrat7448]

HEYY

[@HadouGun]

They should be allowed to sue them for mistranslating for over a decade.

[@shoguna64]

Katrina really put the "trans" in Translator. Maybe it's time for normal, regular localizers to be renamed to Cislators 😂

[@MrNorker77]

NO! Stop using Cis, stop using their language

[@davidford3115]

@@MrNorker77 Agreed Using that term is no different than using the word that sounds like Maggot, but starts with "F".

[@LuigiTheMetal64]

@@davidford3115 KZbin would have no respect for the instruments too.

[@Samagachi]

@@MrNorker77 normalators?

[@danielantony1882]

I’d say let’s go back to translation and scrap the idea of localization. It is not needed.

[@Pyrotrainthing]

If you make fun of your customers in a belittling way, those customers should not trust you. If you say you hate your main customers, those customers should not trust you. Why most people with jobs in media do not understand this I do not know.

[@Snakedude4life]

“Ok, if you wanna keep your localization job; translate with my friend is about to say.” “私はマカロニとチーズが好きです” “Uhhh.. ZAMN SHORTY, IT BE BUSSIN’!-“ “You’re fired, get out.” 🎩 🐍 no step on snek!🇺🇸🇭🇰

[@ネズミ様]

I like macaroni and cheese?

[@cylesteasunrise3199]

Me 2 ​@@ネズミ様

[@aj.j5833]

They translate that to old lame way we used to say it back in our day with proper grammar "Cheese Mac is the Bomb".

[@Snakedude4life]

@@ネズミ様 Yes, I also like mac & cheese.

[@stickfigure8416]

Was that as painful to type as it was for me to read?

[@Minohorse]

For years I read fan translations of mangas, and then import the original japanese releases to support the authors (and for collection, of course), even if my wallet cries about it. And as it seems, I'm still right for doing that.

[@nobodycares9579]

Any NSFW discords to reccomend to intentionally make these localizers seethe?

[@ORKQUEEN]

Geez i hate censorship and purposely done mistranslations

[@aj.j5833]

Even using Machine Learning they still need to find someone who worked on manga, light novel, anime who knows a bit English to review the Machine Learning translation.

[@sbatou87]

I'm sure translation companies will still use human oversight. You could insert the original text, and get a "blind idiot" translation out.

[@dy-169]

I'm guessing some of them are starting to realise that they were always replaceable. having a big ego does to you 🤣

[@ushikiii]

i see GONNA BE TWINTAILS!! I click. holy cow does this mean they are picking back translating this gem of a series.

[@roevhaal578]

Literally my favourite anime

[@GenesicKaiser]

I hope so, I wanna know more after the anime.

[@ushikiii]

@@roevhaal578 one of mine too man.

[@Nakosuke-75]

One of the first shows i ever watched, it literally shaped me as a person 💀

[@yusukeelric]

" these companies dont care about their authors or their customers" Appropiate, neither do localizers. So its a zero sum.

[@Boskov01]

The sad thing is, this was something that could've been avoided had the localizers just stuck to doing their jobs and not put their politics into the translations. They brought this all upon themselves and they've nobody coming to support them as a result.

[@CaelusHelldiver]

Not gonna lie, after so many years of them shoving their cringe ideologies into translations or removing things they arbitrarily decide are problematic I would be lying if I didnt say it felt so good to watch then finally get the karma they have been due for years.

[@PlaystationTaxation69999]

I mean, that's great news and all, but I've seen this happened before with Crunchyroll. (Future is not going to be bright with Shogakukan unfortunately if it weren't for those Japanese conglomerates promoting DEI investment into Anime and Manga. The translations is going to be woke asf.)

[@coltonwilliams4153]

You’re actually saying that while Japan is up in arms about AC:S doing that DEI thing?

[@jaidora]

Nothing of value was lost

[@Argiope_Art]

any plans on covering the situations with TagiaxHolic?

[@Wolfaydragoon]

We can atleast inform people who read comments

[@Muizemullard414]

Rev apperently said on stream that he wont cover the situation as he doesnt want to give the stalker attention or so ive heard. And that it should be a legal matter... or maybe he is making sure to gather all the info but that the least likely outcome in my opinion.

[@Argiope_Art]

@@Muizemullard414 Understood, my apologize for randomly asking then. i never really catch Rev's streams

[@GrillerGT]

At least if some translation AI model makes some mis-tranlation it can be corrected... unlike human's xD

[@ahoyforsenchou7288]

All these rainbows, so few chambers... (Stop denying the connection, folks.)

[@peeps635]

Well well well if it isn't the consequences of your own actions

[@SDT493]

Please talk about taiga's situation. It needs to be covered.

[@aidenhughes2472]

When someone use words like that it all reminds me of that how do you do fellow kids meme

[@vHeartAndS0ul]

thank god ive been watching the fan-sub, 2.5d seduction is a decent ecchi series worth checking out. I welcome our future AI overlords

[@davidford3115]

I don't know if the third party platform I am using is fan-sub or "official dub", But I am guessing they are using the "official" because of the Tig Bitties line in the episode.

[@enforcerridley158]

The Japanese Publishers should also sue these Woke Localizers for intentionally butchering their work.

[@ogueyratogeyrat7448]

that were back up by us gov dont bother

[@Hiruma_]

How do those people get these jobs anyway?

[@b.w.s3165]

DEI, most likely. Someone had to check a box, and hiring localizers to change the original writing to be more politically acceptable for ""modern audiences"" so it's as inoffensive and pandering to gullible trend-hoppers (AKA tourists, which are unfortunately the most numerous in most media fields) as possible is one of those boxes. Most ""Localizers"" in current year are just DEI hires. Just look at how much they seethe when being called that, but are unable to outright deny it. Just like every other DEI hire position.

[@SherrifOfNottingham]

It's simple, localization doesn't pay much so good localizers are unlikely to spend their time with anime, but people that wish to push a message into things are willing to take the low pay for that motive. So the well is poisoned due to people not watching dubs before these clowns got to them, sub elitism caused this at its core.

[@ogueyratogeyrat7448]

woke picking

[@comyuse9103]

ignore the idiots; these people likely have connections they are abusing for their jobs. i am guessing people like katrina are actually just editors (as in an actual translator gives them an actual translation and they butcher it), so they probably got started doing some uninteresting editing gig for some random website, made a 'friend' or sucked someone off, and used that new connection to move closer to editing something vaguely interesting. repeat until they ended up in localization. no idea why they stay though, they clearly hate what and who they are involved with

[@Fispell]

Seeing her tweet about reading a garbled mess and the “disrespect” made me physically ill.

[@Flamne]

They also shouldn't provide spray battles, painting to pin in the walls :v

[@TheKageRyu]

As I said elsewhere - I have absolutely no sympathy for these localizers what so ever. They intentionally alter context in destructive ways to force their political ideologies and views - then when the audiance, who the localizers job exists to serve, complains and expresses concern these localizers insult and mock them. Nope, not one bit of sympathy. They all deserved to be fired long ago - ashame it took and AI to do it.

[@FreakyD83]

Ive noticed many cases where anytime a girl calls someone Oniichan in a game or an anime, they translate it in the subs to the character's name. Its BS.

[@KMmouse20]

I have noticed that too, it's so weird

[@jayIG]

i mean nobody calls their sister just "little sister" unless theyre talking to someone else thatd be really weird in normal conversation

[@KMmouse20]

@@jayIG l say big bro sometimes, it isn't that weird

[@jayIG]

@@KMmouse20 fair, point is it comes off as clunky and unnatural as a viewer/reader

[@brokeninfinitysonic1]

You don’t respect the rights of the creators. You don’t get the respect you’ll want. That’s how it works.

[@melantharosewood]

I am Anti-Ai when it comes to creative fields whether art/writing is done as a living or as a hobby. However, with how localizers like these people act, and basically doing the middle school equivalent of scribbling obnoxious irrelevant things into textbooks they do not give a damn about, I cannot feel bad for them. Just do your job. If you hate the content you have to translate, go look somewhere else, unless you’re *that* desperate for the bag.

[@SherrifOfNottingham]

That's not how AI works bud You can't be for it in one place and against it in another. It eats jobs up just the same, I am all for AI usage, and creative fields were the people that sat back while automation was eating other people's jobs telling them to become artists, now that it's knocking on their door I can't help but enjoy watching them squirm. It's too late for my job, so now I get to sit back and watch everybody else fall due to their own hubris.

[@davidford3115]

@@SherrifOfNottingham Actually, that IS how it is done. Stop white knighting for these cultural vandals who hate the medium and are only using it as a vehicle for the political activism.

[@ramonpizarro]

This infuriates me, why can't they just leave us alone? I never asked for this, I don't go to their work and piss all over them I'm glad AI is replacing these weirdos