Woke War Barbie

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[@swiftsteve8774]

Are you ready to duel?

[@thumper8684]

Can I get Raycons in plaster pink?

[@nathanpetrich7309]

I came for Barbie, and stayed for the Raycons xD

[@banis0up]

Be less Ben, be more Ken 👁

[@uhuhuhuh20]

@@swiftsteve8774 have a beech off

[@HussGamez]

Barbie was a very good film at deconstructing the idea of "Post-feminisim" and how you can't girl boss your way out of a broken system

[@emaeco6602]

😮 oh shit you’re right… didn’t think about it like that… you just gotta be yourself I guess 🤔

[@billcipher3168]

Why not, you should just try finding other girl-bosess to fight alongside with

[@EepyHarmony]

Was it? I thought it was about how you could girlboss out of a situation and seemed more pop-feminist to me. Genuinely want to know your opinion, not being a shitlord.

[@vlad5042]

@@billcipher3168real girlbosses dont really get along with one another, in a real emotional connection kind of way at least. neither do guybosses. ceo mindset or whatever is atomistic and domineering and shouldn't be what women or imo anyone should be striving for.

[@ishathakor]

@@billcipher3168 thats not what girlbossing is lol girlbosses are the pull yourself up by your bootstraps people but for fixing sexism

[@SS-xr7jf]

The Barbie film was clearly not written for “young girls”. Everything from the rating, to the writing, to the Barbie history Easter eggs, to the topics it tries to tackle, to the copious movie references, makes it clear that this movie is intended for adults. Specifically women who grew up with Barbie in their lives in one manner or another.

[@samueloak1600]

That being said I think it's fine for young girls (say, ages 10 upwards) to view. They certainly enjoyed it in my theatre. Granted, it's E for Everyone in my country, Spain

[@jazzycat8917]

@@samueloak1600 Its not that its inappropriate, its more that it gets very existential in the 3rd act, which might be boring and hard to follow to young children who don't understand the topics being discussed.

[@FishGup]

Agreed. I went to watch the film with a female friend who also grew up with Barbie and we both agreed that we loved the film, but we would have been VERY bored watching it as children

[@mochhhhee]

I took my 7 y/o niece to it with her family (after I had already seen it with a friend the beforehand) and I have to admit that there’s a good balancing act of seriousness/boring stuff and flashy execution/bright colors. My niece’s interesting was waning but then came the part where they de-program the barbies, then the dance battle and then when Ken was crying she was laughing and telling the screen “oh shut up” 😅 like, after trying to fuck barbieland over now he was crying his way out of it, which, I mean she’s 7, when she’s older she’ll understand the nuances hopefully.

[@samueloak1600]

@@jazzycat8917 Yeah I understand that, I remember a little girl asking if Ken was "malo" (the bad guy/evil), but they still enjoyed it

Since when was Ken a “traditional maler hero”? Not once was Ken marketed towards boys 😂

[@jazzycat8917]

Exactly lmao. Ken ain't Action Man, Ken ain't never been GI Joe. Ken exists to be the himbo waiter at the lesbian Barbie weddings all little girls were staging.

[@Eosinophyllis]

Personally, Ken was never supposed to be any strong guy. He just got made fun of by me and my sister lmao

[@wulle8509]

It is almost as if they don't care.

[@IJustAnimateThatsTheJist]

Fr he's literally always been marketed as an accessory to your main Barbie doll. (Like the cars, pets, kids, etc etc.) You don't need a Ken to play Barbie lol

[@idontwantahandlethough]

Right?! Ken was literally just another Barbie to dress up, just with guy clothes so there's different options (idk if Barbie's clothes fit him, I never tried lol). He was never all that distinctly masculine in anything I've seen, he was just a friendly [if not slightly bland] dude. Except in Toy Story 3, I suppose😂

[@beccak8166]

Moment of PROFOUND silence for the person who had to learn who ben shapiro was via watching the barbie movie reaction. That sort of innocence lost is no less than tragic

[@hollandscottthomas]

🤣

[@noviatoria2436]

+

[@Horatio787]

Jack was trying to shield his mum from the real world for so long, but mums grow up eventually.

[@emilyrln]

F

[@zmdumpbox2340]

F

[@loriblue179]

The movie has literally the most basic, surface-level feminist message of "women shouldn't be treated worse than men" and it still manages to be too radical for these people

[@studentstudent5044]

Because we don’t need a movie like that in 2023 you bozo. And in the movie men were potrayed as unintelligent and bad at everything. The movie sucked

[@DeathnoteBB]

For real. Hell it even pointed out how patriarchy hurts men too, and how a matriarchy isn’t necessarily better.

[@studentstudent5044]

@@DeathnoteBB How does patriarchy hurt men? The only ones who claim that are feminists. Why is it that men are more miserable than ever now compared to the more ”patriarchal” times of the past? Maybe cause men are being destroyed and dismantled by people like you.

[@modkip25]

That's because they hate women. Period. 🤷 Any kind of message to encourage tackling the status quo is unacceptable for them.

[@BlankBrian-sg4td]

That's not what it says at all. I think the number of likes being like 10% of what more salient comments received when this video came out indicates that up to a point.

[@twistysunshine]

Everyones rage at Ken "being a simp" is hilarious bc. Yeah. No one got Ken on his own lmao. But also like. The movie deconstructs that. Thats explicitly deconstructed by the movie. They saw pink and their minds went fucking blank

[@jazzycat8917]

The only time anyone bought Ken on his own is when Mattel accidently made him gay in the 90s and "Earring Magic Ken" became a valuable collectors item to queer adults.

[@morinomajou]

@@jazzycat8917 And he's in the movie! As a good guy!

[@twistysunshine]

@@jazzycat8917 I love earring magic Ken. Would have a poster of him on my wall if I could

[@greywolf7577]

The original Barbies and all the other Barbie movies never treated Ken like he was a second class citizen. Ken may not have been the focus, but he still had a job and social power in the background. And while the movie did show the Ken's perspective, he still wasn't treated as equal at the end of the movie by the supposedly "good" Barbies.

[@roramoya]

one of the great themes of the movie is even how Ken doesn't need Barbie to as part of his identity, he can be just Ken and that's kenough.

[@MissileGT]

If anything the Barbie Movie does more for Men that average blockbuster these guys love. This movie recognizes and brings attention to men's insecurities, feelings of loneliness and feeling lost and gives validation to their plight. Every time that Ken explains his motivations to Barbie, the movie frames his grievances as valid even in a gotcha way (like when he does to her what she did to him earlier in the movie, word by word) and after the climax, even after beating the Kens, Barbie doesn't gloat about it and instead APOLOGIZES to Ken for hurting him and encourages him to stop being dependent on her... How the hell is Anti-Male concluding that that the Kens should be independent from women to be happy? If the movie really hated men, the Kens would have been punished and that's it, but the narrative didn't even dealt with them as if they were villains, but just confused and misguided. The movie explicitly motivates men saying that they don't need cars, houses or girlfriends to be happy or find meaning.

[@jazzycat8917]

EXACTLY! Ken's going through an identity crisis the entire goddamn movie, and by the end he's finding self acceptance and peace in just being Ken. He doesn't have to tie himself to Barbie, he doesn't have to pin his self worth on her opinon or attraction to him. He is Kenough. Just like Barbie he's free to be whoever he wasnts to be, and somehow according to this crowd of swamp gremlins thats "anti-man"???

[@billcipher3168]

I agree, but some male viewers might latch onto the fact that all kens, which represent the male population in b-land, are shown as borderline ignorant incels with all the mansplaining and 4-hour-long singing sessions . Also, it's kinda weird that atleast some kens want to have a romantic relationship with the barbies, but none of them reciprocate their advances. I know, the movie is making a point with the main Ken having to find his own way, but what about the others? Aren't they supposed to mirror the real world?

[@MissileGT]

@@jazzycat8917 And don't even get me started that the rethoric that all men in the movie "are bad" is outright false, even if you believe the Kens or the executives are portrayed as "evil" here, Allan was 100% an example of a helpful, supportive and nice male character in this, he's never antagonistic nor harmful to any of the heroes and he's just chilling most of his screentime. And even the (possible shoddy) argument that he looks/sounds like a "beta male" is undone by the fact the movie has Allan being literally stronger and better fighter than any Ken, kicking ass like no other character in the whole movie, even more than the female heroines.

[@GlitzPixie]

This movie was very cathartic and motivating for me as a man dealing with complicated feelings about gender and gender roles

[@unnamedenemy9]

I haven't seen the movie, but I already see the problem here. You see, these people don't want anyone to *actually* talk about men's problems, unless those problems don't imply any kind of insecurity or vulnerability for men.

[@ansambel3170]

imagine you're educated, and your job is to pretend you don't understand media at all, to drive online engagement. Ben is the real victim here.

[@FearlessSon]

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” - Upton Sinclair

[@Ipipeyourmom]

⁠@@chasethdevilthere’s on part in one of his books where a cop shoots a little kid who’s holding a toy gun and it’s written sympathetically from the cops point of view

[@RoshDroz]

Nu-uh. Benjamin is an angry boy, for reals

[@ericcarabetta1161]

Right, "pretend".

[@blacklightredlight2945]

@@chasethdevil Failed artist gets into politics. Ben is becoming Hitler 2

[@noraunhappy]

I love that Barbie as a movie is so incredibly blunt and obvious about every point it’s making. There is not a single ounce of subtlety to its message. And yet somehow all these dudes still miss the point. Media literacy is dead and conservatives killed it.

[@dklee.01]

for real 😭

[@HeortirtheWoodwarden]

Yeah, everyone knows you're only allowed to have the correct, State Approved interpretation of every piece of media, lest you be accused of having anti-revolutionary thoughts and being a Class Traitor, right comrade?

[@AndromedaD]

It was really helpful in a theatre full of screaming children as well

[@campbelldanley5869]

I doubt any of these 'interpretations' are made in good faith. They don't get the point because they don't want to get the point, they just want to be angry.

[@GeteMachine]

Conservatives stop as soon as they feel something they ideologically don't like is suggested to exist in media they watch, and its anything to do with advocacy over innate authority to men.

[@dashafurrow7456]

What they don’t believe men say “give us a smile”? Some dudes said that to me literally on the way to see the Barbie movie… like have they spoken to a woman about her experiences ever?

[@TripleSBreakdowns]

Shad definitely hasn't, he thinks he knows everything so there's no point in him asking others for their input, that's why he wrote into his novel a woman who suffered sa as a child & has a breakdown when she bumps into her abuser again but immediately gets over her trauma because a half naked guy gives her a pep talk.

[@sarafontanini7051]

of course not. its how they can lieto themselves and pretend that they're not on th side of tehe villains in real life.

[@Advent3546]

I absolutely love how every anti-woke personality on the internet are openly admitting they can't stand it when a movie makes jokes about men. Their masculinity is so fragile it shatters at the most lighthearted ribbing. Sad. Be less Ben, be more Ken.

[@phangkuanhoong7967]

someone should tell Ben his lame beard doesn't make him less of an obnoxios little boy.

[@Amaleksspin]

You are being replaced. Reclaim your primal desire to live and thrive. Touch grass

[@jazzycat8917]

@@CouchRadish This is some professional straw grasping my dude

[@mightymickey8879]

And that they don’t realize the film is a critique on feminism not in support of it 😂

[@samueloak1600]

@@Amaleksspin Being replaced by... Barbies?

[@bigzonks4393]

How does ben shapiro not feel embarrassed titling his videos “ben shapiro destroys” something? He’s an adult man yelling about a silly movie.

[@jazzycat8917]

He's also an adult man burning Barbies like Sid from Toy Story coz they make him angy. He's mentally 12.

[@aureliodeprimus8018]

This would imply that Shapiro even understands the concept of "Integrity".

[@jeffersonclippership2588]

Grifting is popular enough he probably pays someone to do all that production and editing stuff

[@LuluTheCorgi]

Why would he be embarrassed for making a shit ton of money by telling incels what they wanna hear He's evil, not stupid

[@Mechazaurus]

Can we just appreciate the mind blowing lack of self awareness and hubris in thinking a bunch of right wing weirdos whining about this movie on the internet was somehow going to tank it commercially? These guys really have no understanding of the real world and real people.

[@Galb39]

It's like conservatives only like capitalism as a concept and don't really understand it

[@CouchRadish]

*almost as if the movie’s point about how extreme ideals of masculinity/femininity only really work on people insulated from the real world

[@pureevil9496]

Ironically describing themselves as living in the real world compared to their delusional opposition

[@idontwantahandlethough]

@@CouchRadish idk if that really tracks, given that "the real world" (idk what that term even means in this context tbh) was where traditional gender roles came from in the first place(?)

[@kylegonewild]

@@idontwantahandlethough The fake world versions of them were essentially idealized extremes lacking the history and context of millennia of conflict between men with power and women without it. Patriarchy is bad for the Kens (at least one explicitly states he's not actually happy with the situation when the Barbie world gets flipped) just as hollow consumerist feminism is bad for women.

[@uncle-keg]

I think part of the reason that right-wing conservatives don't get the joke is because they don't see anything wrong with women being treated that way but the second you flip it and treat men like that they take it as a personal attack. It really goes to show how fragile a masculine ego like that can be.

[@josf9616]

YES! 🙌

[@Tzgrey77]

They just really like horses

[@Tzgrey77]

When ken took over barbie world they we're like now we are talking i see nothing wrong with this

[@pango4425]

​​@@Tzgrey77​@Tzgrey77 I don't like the movie but I didn't like when the Kens took over either. They were being complete dicks. I understand that the message was Barbie world mirroring our own but... am I not woke enough to not see it? Every single man in this movie, from BOTH worlds, was either a man-child, an idiot, or a sociopath, while the women in BOTH worlds had admirable qualities. I don't know any men that act like any of these characters in real life. I know it's an exaggerated comedy firstly but I'm getting mixed messages here. Maybe that's the point, and it's a fascinating movie in a vacuum, but I've been treated like shit from family for not believing it's the greatest and most socio-revolutionary movie of our times and that I should check my privilege. Of course that gives me negative bias towards it but even when watching it I felt a bitter taste in my mouth.

[@poutiest]

@@pango4425 I could be way off but my interpretation were that the Kens weren't fully fleshed out and mostly goofy/unrealistic because that's how a lot of girls played with their Ken dolls as kids. Barbies had more admirable qualities because they were vessels for us, the girls playing with them, and the Kens were childlike impersonations of what we thought boys and men were like. When it comes to the male characters in the real world also feeling unrealistic to you, I think that can be related back to how men sometimes write female characters. Maybe that has something to do with the male characters in both worlds in this case being unrealistic man-children, idiots, and sociopaths? A satire baked into the writing about how men sometimes write female characters in the real world as completely unrecognizable to real women? The way you said you don't know any men who act like those characters in real life made me think of how I feel that same way about a lot of fictional women in media, and I'm sure many other women can relate--so I get where you're coming from about that! Who knows, I don't often analyze movies so that's just my two cents as someone who played with Barbies a LOT as a kid lool

[@manolgeorgiev9664]

7:45 "I saw baby heads exploding and I couldn't help but see this as an allegory as to how Hollywood likes to treat babies." - that really does not sound like a problem with the movie, but with how he interprets it.

[@softestshade7813]

It feels like holding up an ink blot and he immediately says “DEATH AND DECAY AT THE HANDS OF HOLLYWOOD”

[@aureliodeprimus8018]

That sentence would make for a great segment on "Fundies say the darndest things."

[@tomkatt8274]

@@aureliodeprimus8018 dolls will replace you

[@MayorOfEarth79]

What even was the last movie with baby death. Aranofsky's Mother? Shad should love that one, it's a very religious movie.

[@paperbackwriter1111]

@@MayorOfEarth79hollywood doesn't mean the movie industry and their products here, but, as his comment later shows, the "liberal establishment" or whatever freaky fundie shit is connected with Hollywood (I mean, I dunno if Shadiversity is so far gone as to be an antisemite?) "warring against the family" (i.e. women being pushed to be mothers onl) and being pro-choice (hence the bit about wanting to "murder the unborn"). It doesn't matter what movies actually say - to weirdo rightists Hollywood is per se lefty liberal as a hive mind and thus they all hold the hated positions.

[@nervousbreakdown711]

When I initially saw it, I was actually a little annoyed at how they beat you over the head with a shovel with its message. It seems like that was still too subtle.

[@banquetoftheleviathan1404]

Homelander and Rorschach are based and pog. You dupey libs just don’t have any media literacy lmfao

[@Sootielove]

It's wild how the most basic, cathartic feminism literally having a tired woman give speeches about how she feels about living in a patriarchy or having a bro break down why it's so isolating trying to live up to manly standards can still fly over people's heads

[@BlueBeetle1939]

This is how I felt about snowpiercer

[@J-manli]

@@Sootielove It flies over heads because said folks lack any self-awareness or the ability to view their own actions as wrong. The kinds of men who agree with the conservative outcry of Barbie whole heartedly believe that they as men helped women get the rights they have today and therefore women should be grateful all the time.

[@CouchRadish]

@@Sootielovethe movie is pretty clear about how the ideas of the patriarchy/matriarchy makes even those who are supposed to benefit from the system suffer. Weird Barbie and the cancelled Barbies/Kens are forced to be outcasts because their existence clashes with the idealized pink perfection of Barbieland. Ken’s deeper issues with his lack of self-identity outside of Barbie aren’t fixed by the patriarchy. Sure the power dynamic might make him feel better on the surface. But when Barbie shows up at his door barely a day after he kicked her out (in a VERY obvious parallel to how women break up with men - breaking down after throwing clothes out of the house) he quickly reverts back to a guy who would do anything and everything to keep a girl around.

[@Mud-Brain]

I went to see the movie with my roommate expecting a surrealist, absurdist comedy with undertones of existential dread, and instead I got Allen. 12/10 literally a perfect movie the kens can beach me off any day

[@joethewolf3750]

Allen was the best character in that movie. Allen is the best thing that has happened since sliced bread. I love Allen.

[@TtimeXP]

​@@joethewolf3750I was not expecting to love Allen as much as I do haha and being such a strong fighter haha

[@IanUniacke]

omg yes! Why are more people not talking about Allen?

[@paulduchamp4736]

Exactly. Homeboy just wants peace and quiet and squared up like 7 ken on his own. He deserves more respect and love.

[@llynxfyremusic]

LMAO everyone was so hot complete bi panic in my little heart

[@GenuinelyHorriblePerson]

It's almost like the more grown men cry about barbie, the more people want to go see it. Who would've guessed 😂

[@Galb39]

I think people went to see the extremely popular toy movie regardless of what conservatives did

[@Dan_1348]

Nah no one really cares about any of this political crap. It's just popular because of the brand strength, cast, and marketing

[@ND-nr6mx]

​@Dan_1348 my guy, politics literally govern your life. If you don't care about political conversations, you've given up on your own liberation.

[@Dan_1348]

@@ND-nr6mx Not sure what comment you thought you were responding to, but it clearly wasn't the one I wrote.

[@SamanDroid]

@@ND-nr6mx An overwhelming majority of the world does not engage in any way with the kinds of dudes who make Barbie rage videos. Most people, in fact, have never heard of Ben Shapiro.

[@Crithosceleg]

"There was no Homemaker Barbie" -- uuh, what about Midge? She was included, and they made sure to make a point of how weird of a product a pregnant Barbie was (that shit was body horror for me as a young afab).

[@BlackTestament]

Dude im amab af and even I had to hold my stomach there just reading that lmao

[@shinballzilla9048]

Whats afab mean?

[@Crithosceleg]

@@shinballzilla9048 It means 'assigned female at birth'

[@shinballzilla9048]

@@Crithosceleg ooooh thank you that’s really cool I appreciate it :)

[@peccantis]

Every goddamn doll being intended for homemaking games is precisely why Barbie was created. Tons of kids play home and baby making/having games with their Barbie dolls anyways.

[@cata0rostika]

Right-leaning ppl crying about "basically they say Kens shouldn't vote" when the same right has said that women shouldn't be allowed to vote (ex. Pearl) is so fucking ironic

[@yuenmienyu]

they only pretend to care about equality when it suits their argument.

[@GeteMachine]

The fear they have of not having a right or power to do something they think only should be *their* right.

[@MinecraftIsLoveMinecraftIsLife]

in the uk the law that allowed women to vote for the first time was the representation of the people act in 1918. it allowed women over the age of 30 who occupied a house or were married to a guy who did could vote. for men the voting age was lowered to 21 and they could vote regardless of whether they owned property. so even voting laws irl weren't equal at the start.

[@AAHAHHHHH]

women should NOT vote absolutely not they don't even know what they want

[@abelabel3664]

Imagine thinking a movie by a brand simply monetizing on the criticism they have gotten over decades is "woke". Only late stage capitalism is able to absorb criticism and spit out content about it for us to consume while avoiding the vast majority of issues and continuing business but now with a lot more profits.

[@PitLord777]

Capitalism is the enemy of communism, but communism isn't the enemy of capitalism.

[@abelabel3664]

@@PitLord777 ok, I guess

[@idontwantahandlethough]

@@PitLord777 wtf are you talking about? If you're going to say something that nebulous and confusing, you might as well drop your manifesto on us. Elaborate! Please do :)

[@angelikaskoroszyn8495]

@PitLord777 Yes, as Karl Marx himself said "You can create capital with the help of communism but you can't create commital with the help of capitalism". Surely we live in a society

[@PitLord777]

@@idontwantahandlethough Communism seeks to dismantle the unfair conditions capitalism imposes on society. Capitalism couldn't care less what it imposes or what it does not, so long as it makes money. If one could make money by dismantling the unfair conditions capitalism imposes on society, then capitalism's all for it. This is how you get Che Guevara t-shirts. This was my point on the remark that late-stage capitalism can absorb criticism and sell it for a profit. I don't think it's late-stage capitalism, it's just normal capitalism.

[@realgirl755]

Something I feel was more subtle for the Barbie movie, was how, to me, the "anti-brainwashing soundbites" felt like a critique of that soundbite feminism, too. Because it didnt make Barbie change things in the real world, the most it did was restore Barbieland to its previous plastic feminism state. Because soundbite feminism can open your eyes to "there is a problem" but just that cannot actually make change.

[@CouchRadish]

And people forget that the Barbies and Kens are objectively idiots. Why are the guys complaining about the anti-brainwashing being done so blatantly and quickly when they switch to supporting the Kendom in the same time? Barbie says she’s “immune to the brainwashing because she went into the real world”. Which is the point: real world experiences make it a lot harder for soundbite feminism/masculinity to affect you.

[@billcipher3168]

I don't get the argument, how can it be a critique if the movie doesn't make any value judgement about it, how do you know the movie doesn't agree with Barbie world order at the end?

[@hollandscottthomas]

@@billcipher3168 Because the whole movie is based around establishing how the world order actively hurts everyone trapped within it.

[@maclain7552]

I get where youre coming from but to be completely honest I don’t think the movie was really criticizing Barbieland at all. Obviously at the beginning they poke fun at the superficiality of it all but the happy ending we get is basically no material change to the status quo, implicitly kinda framing the hyperfemininity of Barbieland society as being an innate product of like matriarchy and feminism and women doing what they want, not a byproduct of corporate marketing within real world patriarchy, yk?

[@emilyrln]

@@maclain7552 I dunno, I feel like when the narrator says "the Kens may one day have as much power in Barbieland as women have in the real world," that implies that the goal is true equality. The reason we don't get to have that perfect ending in the movie is that Barbieland mirrors the real world, where men still have more power across the board than women.

[@annieheir147]

I feel the commercial and critical success with audiences shows how limited of a reach the woke narrative really has. Sure it's loud online and politicians have latched onto it due to that prominence, but outside of the terminally online it's not landing. And why would it. Bunch of grown 'real' men crying about a Barbie movie is pretty pathetic.

[@CouchRadish]

I’d say it’s less that and more the term “woke” becoming a meaningless descriptor as people have attached it to nearly everything

[@Mirekluk]

@@CouchRadish Kinda like racist/sexist/biggot/nazi/fascist etc. Not saying you're wrong, just that it happens on both sides

[@justanidiotmk2749]

Almost like liberal ideals are really popular and someone shrieking about "the woke" will end up not being popular or liked widely.

[@TheSolarWolf]

That's because "woke" doesn't really exist. Woke originally just meant you were aware of shitty things going on before being hijacked by terminally online morons and far-right demagogues to mean basically a separate other of whatever they don't like. There was no "woke" ideology or culture or anything. It was a boogeyman that doesn't exist that all of you got duped into believing.

[@dklee.01]

@@CouchRadishit’s sad. “woke” to them means “i questioned what i was taught and the system i exist under.” they call themselves “free thinkers” but how much freedom of thought do you really have when you don’t even understand the historical, social, or political contexts of the word(s) that trigger you (ex: “woke”, “socialism”, “feminism”)

[@MoondustManwise]

I loved the Barbie movie, it felt cathartic in a way, just acknowledging the complete helplessness one can feel in a system built against them. Also, I just thought it was really fun and hilarious.

[@SaiScribbles]

Conservative men: Stupid feminists, of course Barbie is feminist she has all the jobs. Also conservative men: WHY IS THIS BARBIE MOVIE GOT FEMINISM!?

[@dklee.01]

“wHy cAnt sHe prOmoTe mOthErHoOd” 😟😟😟

[@HeortirtheWoodwarden]

Different kinds of feminism.

[@nobodyelse7911]

​@@dklee.01she has no vagina. She goes to factory whenever she needs one

[@xaui2240]

​@HeortirtheWoodwarden there's no 'different' feminists

[@HeortirtheWoodwarden]

@@xaui2240 So you're all a hivemind superorganism?

[@manolgeorgiev9664]

What is crazyest to me is how some people say that it's a kids' movie ment to indoctrinate children, while it's labeled PG-13...

[@Matay000]

Ikr, parents should know that if a Barbie movie is rated pg-13, it probably has something ur kid shouldn’t see

[@samueloak1600]

@@Matay000 It's E for Everyone in Europe

[@idontwantahandlethough]

and like... have they MET kids? You can't tell them to do *anything!* If you try to tell the target demographic of the barbie move what to think, they'll sTaRt TaLkInG To YoU LiKe tHiS, do exactly the opposite of what you wanted, and then kickflip away to go battle their beyblades (ok idk what kids do anymore).

[@regulate.artificer_g23.mdctlsk]

They assume it's _for kids_ because it's Barbie.

[@angelikaskoroszyn8495]

There's masturbation joke used in promotion material. The movie is not for children unless you live in Poland and your translators can't convey the "beaching each other off" joke in Polish Who hired those people smh

[@m00nrac00n]

The funniest minor detail to me is how _yassified_ Ben looks recently, like the pink set, denim jacket, laminated brows, bronzer, beard. Like dude, just admit you lowkey thought it was fun, he even looked mildly amused in his post at the cinema. Must be truly sad to be bound to the predictable takes your audience want to hear for confirmation bias in your reviews.

[@jimmylu1352]

Ben: My producer FORCED me to watch Barbie. Translation: I went to the movie theaters and bought tickets for my family and contributes to the film's success

[@ianumathews5922]

⁠@@jimmylu1352”me and family had some quality time and now i have to lie about it online”

[@tomkatt8274]

@@jimmylu1352 tet right is the most confusing people

[@slavishentity6705]

Ben has to force himself to defend a conservative opinion on literally everything. No one is that committed to a political party.

[@Gustoberg]

If Bean wasn't a complete ass and even if he was they mildly conservative uncle who doesn't understand that sexuality isn't a choice but still is very much ok with queer people existing, maybe he'd be a successful actor, maybe he'd be a cool guy who doesn't spread misinformation backed by billionaires!

[@Joaquin27488]

The movie was actually pretty tame, it's a market safe feminism

[@monicavelazquezrodriguez3035]

because it comes from a millionare company, of course it's tame.

[@Joaquin27488]

@@monicavelazquezrodriguez3035 clearly not for everyone

[@jestershark]

a) i love your mum's movie reviews and b) I cannot believe these anti-woke culture dudes are still talking about ghostbusters 2016

[@carolyns4519]

I forgot that movie ever existed until now

[@lulukulu5489]

​@@carolyns4519deservedly so 😂

[@autobotstarscream765]

Ghostbusters 2016 is being established as the Sonic 2006 of movies, something people can milk a decade of burying an entire category over a single item with.

[@BaronVonQuiply]

When it comes to the right wing's constant whining over the same damn inane shit day in day out, to quote the original Ghostbusters theme song "I want a new drug".

[@lukesenesac]

Good to see Shadiversity, a man who is outraged by women wearing pants is still just as unhinged as ever.

[@MesaAufenhand]

I need him gone

[@Romanticoutlaw]

bit funny that he has "diversity" right in his name, innit?

[@someonerandom8552]

Lol I legit forgot about Shadiversity. A bit sad that I’ve been reminded of his existence, tbh

[@stalfithrildi5366]

Oh what? He was just a happy swords guy I saw shorts from and now he's telling me not to simp?

[@Geekaylee]

How the same household raised both him and Jazza is a mystery that may never be answered...

[@bambifufu]

also narratively i thought the excessive unnecessary involvement of the mattel board took away from opportunities to flesh out america ferrera’s character and characters daughter’s stories/background/worldview. the board was a goofy nothing and felt so ‘IP owner’s notes’.

[@CouchRadish]

I will at least say that Gerwig did seem to make the best out of that forced hand by using them to show how Mattel will forcefully maintain the status quo of Barbie even at their own financial detriment. To them Barbie has to be this symbol of feminine empowerment at all costs. Barbieland and the Mattel executives’ presentation of feminism very clearly comes off as surface-deep and unrealistic - plastic even. And the film showing how both Ken’s “Mojo Dojo Casa House” & America Ferrera’s “Normal Barbie” sell extremely well is that those audiences exist.

[@angelikaskoroszyn8495]

They make sense in the first half of the movie. Later they were just there, doing nothing, just chilling as Barbieland (their flag ship product) almost got completly destroyed

[@frostrider3704]

@@angelikaskoroszyn8495 I think it was Savy Writes Books (Forgive me, I've watched quite a few of these reviews) that said she expected Will Farrel's character to turn out to be a Ken that escaped and decided to live in the real world. So he got older and lost his six pack, but could never really escape his obssession with Barbie, so he became the CEO. That's why he was so obssessed about boxing Barbie and going into Barbieland to solve the Ken situation, because he didn't want that world to change as it still had his Barbie in it. And he was also scared of getting found out and being boxed himself. Now I can't unsee it and I wish it had been a major plot device, it would have tied up that loose end so neatly.

[@rbw1315]

@frostrider3704 what if the CEO was Weird Barbie’s ken?

[@George-zj9rr]

​@@rbw1315damn that would have been cool.

[@kingpinpasta2934]

This movie is perfect litmus test for determining who has gendered biases

[@samueloak1600]

Agreed. It's very basic bitch feminism, but it makes all tongues confess

[@ambiguoussarcasm]

​@@samueloak1600And that's why it matters

[@samueloak1600]

​@@ambiguoussarcasmIt... Mattels? I'll see myself out.

[@banquetoftheleviathan1404]

This movie Hasbro Ken my understanding of gender as I knew it

[@Eosinophyllis]

Not even biases. Just who’s a violent misogynist and who’s not.

[@riccardoleone4265]

So funny how a Barbie Land can exist because they have most of the civilian jobs covered, while GI-Joe Land or MOTU Land would be military dictatorships destined to collapse the day they run out of land to conquer. Dolls for boys don't exist, and then if they want to enact slice-of-life, every day roleplays they have to find a Barbie. Honestly, it would pe pretty rad to see a kid make his Conan the Barbarian and Red Ranger figures open a lemonade kiosk.

[@Melggart]

Lego got that covered. One of my favourites Lego sets of my infancy was a garbage truck.... The small trash can was really cool.

[@riccardoleone4265]

​@@Melggart right, but I guess that having tiny blocky guys that just barely resemble human beings really hinders the character work a kid can do. Toys representing anthropomorphic animals are maybe a better unisex option and that might be one reason why there are so many furries around.

[@LadyVandMrT]

The new boy barbies are for men. I bought my son one that has spiked shoes and a mohawk, and he loves it. He is a force of destruction in our Barbieland haha I think that's just how little boys are. They seek to destroy everything and struggle more with empathy than girls, but they are stronger and more tenacious and less likely to give up, which means they also get hurt more. Having a girl and then a boy as a person previously part of the woke mob taught me a lot about the actual difference between the sexes. There for sure is a difference. All that means is that you parent differently, not that you don't parent your boys because what's the point, they're animals who can't control themselves anyway - NO BAD. They are people with complex emotions, they just need more love and guidance to mature. Literally that's it.

[@BeautifulEarthJa]

@@LadyVandMrT lol. Boys are (mentally) stronger and more tenacious than girls? Why don't you just characterize your own two kids and not the rest of the world?????

[@LadyVandMrT]

@@BeautifulEarthJa mentally stronger lol that's rich. I don't know any boy who is stronger on the inside than a woman. I do know woman stronger on the outside than men. I have been almost exclusively friends with men my while life. Now I realize that's why I am so unhappy. You do ALL the emotional labor in friendships with men. They are seriously stupid.

[@torinju]

I spent seven years in the Army and 15 years as a mover and let me tell you, our invariable role model was Ken. Now it is ruined by woke Hollywood. What will we do without our role models that were designed for little girls? All real men look up to a character without a penis.

[@ma.2089]

How do u know he doesn’t have a penis? There was a Ken doll where he wore a cock ring. Sure, it was around his neck, but I feel like it had to have come from somewhere! Lol

[@TheP1x3l]

I know this was said in jest but maybe real men should look up to characters without a 🍆. Especially because there are a lot of real (trans) men who don't have one either.

[@torinju]

@@TheP1x3l It was said in jest, and it is true that I consider trans men men for all intents and purposes. However, I am talking about the views of the people I worked with in jobs that these rightwing whiners considered 'manly'. While it is true that they didn't hold what you could call enlightened views of gender roles, they most certainly didn't consider Ken a role model. I honestly don't remember the guys having a problem with trans men. They pretty much held most people to not be particularly manly anyway. My views have changed a lot since then, but, toxic as we were, we would have held a man upset with a Barbie movie in contempt. THAT hasn't changed.

[@LadyVandMrT]

​​@@torinjugood. That's what I would expect a real, maculine person to be like: "dude you care about a movie for girls?" Foster masculine attitudes that aren't toxic and further breakdown stigmas of the past. Yeah, we make movies for women. Get over it, pussies. (To the men upset by this, not you) Men are allowed to be men and be masculine, but now they're allowed to be people too.

[@cheezbiscuit4140]

I mean grey worm was a pretty good role model :T

[@Alex-cw3rz]

I love how the drinking guy had to pretend that the only reason the woke film is not going broke is because the advertising "l ied" to the audience and put it in air quotes because the didn't

[@mustasho6673]

Drinker drank too hard that time around fr fr

[@AAHAHHHHH]

they did lie no one was expecting this

[@anothermiddleschoolburnout8816]

​@@AAHAHHHHH Everyone was expecting it.

[@y0landa543]

02:08 honestly i have always thought of ken of kind of a caring, brotherly friend type, maybe because that’s actually the way he has been portrayed in “barbie and the dreamhouse” for ages. was he ever truly a masculine icon made for men, an “alpha male” as they say? i absolutely don’t think so and i love it

[@idontwantahandlethough]

As far as I can tell, Barbie was basically never marketed to boys in any way. I have literally no clue where they came up with that. Probably the same place they get the rest of their ideas..

[@jazzycat8917]

The movie basically says that too. Ken turns into what he thinks a "alpha male" is and it makes him and the rest of the Kens deeply unhappy and unfulfilled. When Ken is at his happiest and most self actualised, he's just a guy who loves horses and beach and wants to have fun with his friends

[@rebeccat9389]

Yeah my son was telling me with great authority about Ken’s personality from all the Tv shows. Caring brotherly friend whose a bit clumsy I think sums it up pretty good. :)

[@koseorhun]

What do you mean? He was the ultimate Alpha male fantasy for those macho men. He was smooth underneath.

[@ivannas5540]

Ken was always secondary and an accesory to Barbie in the Barbie brand, never was he typically fleshed out to be an actual person. No career Kens, no houses for Ken, no cars for Ken, nothing. Anti-feminists might misinterpret this as the writer's biases but it's a joke on the Barbie brand itself.

[@drowsypoppy]

As I'm watching this video, I'm crocheting a wizard hat so a friend can cosplay 'Barbie the Pink' like Gandolf the Gray or Saruman the White. This movie has brought me so much joy already and I haven't even gotten around to seeing it yet.

[@beanbean8375]

Barbie the Pink is an amazing idea! Hf and be fab

[@robbiirvine1038]

ngl I read that as "Gandalf the Gay" at first and was disappointed I was wrong.

[@missnoneofyourbusiness]

This is one of the rare occasions I hate youtube for not letting people post pictures.

[@drowsypoppy]

@@robbiirvine1038 oh I'm sure there's cosplays for that. If not... Time for you to source a beard?

[@Owesomasaurus]

That sounds rad as fuck.

[@incorporealrn]

It's so ridiculous to see these cishet men outraged over something they ignored most of their life. Like bffr, the close they probably got to playing barbie before was stealing it from their younger sibling and breaking it.

[@aff77141]

It's because they can't stand something not being about them

[@MistaZULE]

It’s even worse. Some shitty dudes can’t handle any criticism. They lived their whole life having their mom wipe their ass and tell them they’re a good boy that they crumble at any type of criticism. And these are the “strong men” that can hunt and provide for the society yet they’re so fragile they get angry at a 2 hour toy commercial.

[@lexyshannon9428]

Also because they hate having their worldview challenged.

[@greywolf7577]

If they made a Transformers movie where the heroes fight to push women back into the second class, would you mock any woman that was angry about it, asking her why she was angry at a movie about a toy she never played with?

[@avelynn5976]

​@@greywolf7577 reinforcing the idea of women as second class citizens has been happening since the beginning of history majorly perpetuated by men. but when women strike back and do the same to them they lose their minds and have emotional breakdowns and post their tantrums on youtube crying about the audacity of the evil feminists for being mean to men. obviously i wouldnt expect a different reaction from a group of people that has never experienced this being done to them because they've spent the majority of their existence doing it to other people and still mocking them when they have a reaction to being constantly denigrated and provoked. this is what being on the receiving end feels like and you're experiencing it for the first time. seethe and cope and whine about it harder, you unstable overemotional manchildren.

[@Deepseadread6]

These reactions just prove how on point the satire of barbie was. They’re enraged at this hypothetical fantasy land where one gender holds all the power unaware that it’s meant to satirise a real world thing (sexism) that they’re actively complicit in but don’t care about because it doesn’t affect men. This was literally the entire point of the film, pointing out the absurdity of sexism by presenting it in a way we aren’t used to but these people colossally missed the point

[@TheBrclear66]

As just a casual viewer of shadiversery, I had no idea he had such deranged views on women and media. Thanks for the eye opener

[@rebeccat9389]

Yeah I used to really enjoy his main channel but holy hell, I could never support someone so hateful. Some of his takes don’t even make sense!

[@AstaraelDarkrahBlack]

I followed him for his historical content and then found out about his other views and just felt kinda dirty for having followed him in the first place.

[@MalzraAirwynn]

Same, I had no idea until Jack Saint's Mario movie video a while back. Was sad to see how much he's dived into this crap.

[@juanpabloperezgomez4349]

Same, I followed him casually back in the day and had no idea he was such a bigot.

[@GetUpGetUpGetUp]

It really is disappointing. I knew he was kinda conservative but I didn't realize he was so hateful until I watched a couple Knights Table (or whatever it is called) Atleast I still have Skallagrim . I hope🤞

[@StuartValentine96]

As a reformed nerd myself, I am watching men in their 30s and 40s complain about Barbie like I would have when I was sixteen… unbelievable.

[@greywolf7577]

If they released a transformers movie where the heroes have to put women back into being second class citizens and some women complained about the movie, would you mock the women for caring about transformers at her age?

[@chriss780]

@@greywolf7577 oh no Optimus prime went woke : (

[@PrettyPinkPeacock]

​@@greywolf7577ohh that is a poor take. Context matters. The transformers movies are not about gender, hope that helps! There's no age limit on opinions but ultimately if you express those opinions people are more than free to judge you for it. I'm sure many many people would judge adult women for having opinions about movies.

[@blueizumi]

@@greywolf7577 Why would transformers ever do this lol bad example

[@tristanmiskwa6830]

​@@chriss780autobots gay out!

[@MosesSuppose]

It’s so fun whenever a new kids movie comes out and we get treated to 20 or so different flavors of conservatives not having any media literacy whatsoever.

[@EggFighterXB-]

Then that kid's movie shouldn't come out EVER

[@kingLorshi]

This isn't a kids movie though? It's more aimed at adults?

[@Amalie_t7n]

storytime: a lil ironic how the barbie movie is "feminism propaganda" but while on my way to see said movie I was sexually harassed by a group of teenage boys🤪 yeah, oppression of women don't exist

[@raphaelzakhm7310]

I am sorry that happened to you. Hope you are better now, best wishes

[@missnoneofyourbusiness]

My friends and I decided to make this number where we all dressed pink for.the movie. I wore a mini skirt but also high heels and I totally forgot I had to get back home alone by subway then walking. At night. Nothing happened but the small panic run I made back home spoiled the fun a little bit.

[@unnamedenemy9]

that was. . . a hell of a take from people like Ben and Piers. The whole bit where they pretend women don't get catcalled, I mean. I get that they're men who are reflexively *incapable* of considering women, but hot *damn* do you have to be disconnected from reality to act like that isn't still a *really* common thing.

[@travkaivanova]

Dressed up as Barbie to see the movie, on my way back got catcalled by drunk men in a similar manner Barbie was So Yeah totally unrealistic)))

[@Amalie_t7n]

@@raphaelzakhm7310 thank you. it was definitely gross, and after the movie, I wasn't able to reflect much on the story, because my mind was just stuck on what those boys did. but I'm doing better now, I'm able to think about other things, such as the barbie movie :)

[@harrisonfackrell]

That review of Midsommar you showcased is really funny to me. Like... did the guy just forget that it's a horror film?

[@samfilmkid]

When you realize that, at it's core, this movie is about embracing your imperfections and giving up on living up to an impossible ideal, even it's flaws start to feel intentional.

[@Neo_Chord]

We make ONE (1) movie with a predominantly female lead and men get pissy about it lol

[@incisivecommenter5974]

Pissy?? They are losing their shit over this😂

[@Neo_Chord]

@@incisivecommenter5974 and then they call women EMOTIONAL 🙄

[@somik-i3x]

All those men who got pissy about Barbie have never touch a women.

[@Neo_Chord]

@@somik-i3x and i hope no woman falls into their probably abusive claws. Ever.

[@peccantis]

What about Ghostbusters remake you already got oneeeeeee /s

[@kamishin7135]

It's the Mario Movie all over again. How can someone have so much hate for a f-ing barbie movie

[@foxinasweater2300]

they don't hate the barbie movie they hate women and things that even appear to make women happy

[@aureliodeprimus8018]

@@foxinasweater2300 Yeah, they hate women so much, even Arthur Schopenhauer would turn away in disgust.^^

[@billcipher3168]

Idk, but the movie kindof brought it onto itself, with all the not-so-subtle mentions of patriarchy and having feminist speeches literally wake people from being brainwashed. All in all, not a bad thing, but i guess the creators laid it on thick on purpose to attract such attention

[@aureliodeprimus8018]

They made "hating" core part of their identity and income. It is so pathetic.....

[@greywolf7577]

There were a lot of people on the other side telling people not to buy a Harry Potter game just because they didn't like some of the author's comments. Both sides use boycotts like this.

[@bazzfromthebackground3696]

Calling the "homemaker" line moments beforehand was perfect.

[@maribethmorgan7886]

I’m so confused-ken and other ken dolls have always been like air head blondes in the Barbie world-like life in the dream house, lots of the newer Barbie animation movies, etc… Barbie has been a doctor, the president, a pilot, etc…. Way before this movie-and ken has always been like her wholesome supportive cheerleader lol-this movie expands on ken as a human being and points out how the patriarchy hurts men too

[@katied1744]

I think it's interesting that they cast Sharon Rooney to play a Barbie and then did not make a doll of her bc there are no Barbie shapes that reflect a woman who is fat, not "curvy". Almost like corporations only care about the most basic of recuperation but will never make lasting changes on their own

[@LuluTheCorgi]

Or, get this, the writer and director of the movie have absolutely nothing to do with the toy section of mattell, and matell just paid for the movie without really giving a shit what they put in it

[@Shepfax]

I have a pretty peculiar experience with Barbie as someone who has the childhood of a girl and the adulthood of a guy. Gladly saw it with my wife at an after-lunch screening, donning a full pink and flowery outfit, and was blown away by how lovingly made it was. Beautiful set design, sound design, costuming, and pacing. It brings me to a place where film is simple and fun, comforting, and visually rich, but not to the point of being turn-your-brain-off material like the Transformers films. Trans people have a complex relationship to hyper-performance of gender that comes with dolls. Because of that, this movie brings a unique sort of ache to us, to the difference between our gendered childhoods and our journey of self-discovery. It is not perfect. By some feminists' standards, it's not even good. I have my reasons to both agree and disagree with some of the arguments against the narrative. Any argument against Mattel themselves is 100% warranted. But the fact that it's a mainstream movie that not only says the word "patriarchy" in a context thst isn't some throwaway SJW character being the butt of a joke, but actually shows how it harms everyone it looms over, AND it still attained theatrical success...that's a good thing to me!

[@rebeccat9389]

Thank you for your perspective. I agree that at the very least, look at all the dialogue it’s causing!

[@Shepfax]

@@rebeccat9389 It's amazing to me! As someone who hasn't really interacted with the world of girl's toys in probably 18 years, I honest to God had no idea if girls still liked Barbie. The amount of discussion opened up by this beautiful little pink movie is amazing to me

[@ireysword]

Thanks for sharing your experience! I kinda saw Allen as the queer representetive in Barbieland. He's neither Barbie or Ken. All of Kens clothes fit him, but he's definitely not a Ken. He does benefit from the Kendom/Patriarchy but doesn't like it and actually works against it. But he's also not an outcast like weird Barbie or the discontinued Barbies and Kens. He's Allen. And there's only one of him. One could see him as gay or trans or nonbinary, it's very much up for interpretation I feel. Best character 12/10

[@Shepfax]

@@ireysword I got that feeling too. Trans people tend to get stuck in the middle of cishet society. Our assigned sex is not what we relate to anymore, but it's also quite often that those in our desired gender don't see us as one of them. If you don't fit either category you end up kinda floating around aimlessly. Allen definitely comes across like that since he is not a ken by definition but the Barbies don't see him as one of them either. I love that fella regardless of where he belongs goddamnit

[@madeleinesherer7615]

this is such a good comprehensive review. it’s nice to see something that takes account of both the post feminist critiques and the alt right outrage

[@-tera-3345]

This entire phenomenon of essentially complaining that a line of toys made specifically for young girls is actually being made targeted at those young girls and not instead appealing to adult men is such a weird stance just on its face.

[@sadikicaine4881]

Maybe im just stupid but i honestly cant see the misandry in barbie, or the man hating agenda in majority of woke films even as a man. It feels so weird seeing guys twice my age get this upset about things that don't seem directed at all of us but merely a select few tgpes of guys.

[@billcipher3168]

All the kens are shown as ignorant quasi-incels who are happy to mansplain and play guitar for 4 hours at their love interest instead of wanting to talk like normal + Kens are supposed to be the idea of men in B-land. Also, none of the kens are actually in a romantic relationship by the end of the movie, you'd think Allan would be more appreciated, but he's even more of a joke

[@Enoploteuthidea]

@@billcipher3168 the kens are a reversal of the stereotypical sexist way women get viewed: less smart, less able emotional types who are best left to stay home and be the "love of their life" to a guy, while not really having any real goals or personality outside whatever man that is. When they get power, they still represent that, so theyre incompetent. Its exact the same shit ive heard people say women in positions of power would be like (with some give and take, but the sexist idea of women in power either being some sort of emotionally stunted and unfulfilled man-roleplayer or still ~blinded by her woman biology~ to do a mans job right.) Also, not getting the girl at the end is not man hate. It seems fair that a movie that at least someone touches on the effects of its brand and messaging might also touch on the romantic aspects of the ken/barbie 'soulmate' relationship. Personally I saw it as them not actually being fits for each other in a romantic way, for either of them- not just barbie, but ken too. I guess you could've had one, but it not being the focus and actively pushed back feels completely fair, especially in a movie already critiquing the relationship between men and women. Barbie doesnt need to have a ken, but ken doesnt need a barbie either.

[@Irisblanchet2828]

actually barbie world is the opposite of our world i could see why it kind of misandry

[@Alexander-the-Mediocre]

@@billcipher3168 "Kens are supposed to be the idea of men in B-land" well barbie land wasn't suppose to be an ideal. On the surface its basically what the toys are. If you've ever bought a barbie for a niece or daughter kens are accessories. Barbies have all the jobs. Girls have always looked up to barbie toys in that they can be anything. Did guys ever care about ken? This is inherent in the toys even without the movie embracing the concept. Under the straight reading is that the barbie world is a very simplistic reverse reflection of the real world. Which barbie realizes isn't quite right even once in the real world. Also why does there need to be a romantic relationship at the end. Is the only relationship you can have with the opposite sex romantic?

[@billcipher3168]

@@Alexander-the-Mediocre it's just weird that both kens and barbies are a population, a diverse one just like IRL, and Kens do have romantic feelings, like they want to kiss and such. But of all the Barbie population, none of them reciprocate the kens' feelings, which is weird, they could've added examples of that beside the main characters and the themes of the movie would still stand. Otherwise, I'm baffled

[@Flatcetera]

The fact that weirdo medieval dude is Jazza’s (the art guy) brother is still mind boggling to me.

[@aureliodeprimus8018]

Wasn`t Jazza the one who left family early? Would be a clear sign of religion being toxic to the mind.

[@christophergreen6595]

Oof

[@kurootsuki3326]

no way

[@somik-i3x]

We don't choose your family

[@viridianacortes9642]

Yeah. My sister is pretty conservative herself. She’s not crazy like this guy. But we are very different.

[@kittykatz4001]

I was a little girl in the 60s and 70s who had Barbies (Barbie, Ken, Skipper, others). Ken never “ did” anything. Ken wasn’t marketed to boys. In tv commercials of the day advertising Barbie (and the accessories, clothes, cars, house etc.) Ken never “did” anything except to “exist” as Barbie’s designated bf. Nothing was ever said about Ken being a great dude, cool guy, or. “Nice.” Nothing said about his occupation, personality, his likes, hobbies, sports, etc. He just existed with the designation as Barbie’s bf. That’s it. I do not know how Barbie is marketed today, but there are still tons of women like me, who had a collection of Barbies as toys, not as collectibles, clothes, houses etc., who remember that Ken didn’t have anything to do except to be Barbie’s bf. Now, as an older woman, who is close to retirement, despite the criticism of the Barbie doll not reflecting the bodies of real women, I’m wondering, if Barbie and her universe at the time when I was a little girl, was in fact a protest ? Via not giving Ken ANY “storyline” beyond “just” being Barbie’s bf?

[@toppersundquist]

Wait, it has a narrator to double-explain the plot, and Harvard-educated Benny Shapps *still* admitted the plot was too complex for him to follow? Wow.

[@sarafontanini7051]

tobe fair,the narrator is only around for lie three points of the movie: -the beginning to exposit on barbie land and how it works -a quick joke about how "if you wanna make a point about barbie lookng plain or something, don't cast a beautiful woman for the role" or somehting -a quick explanationabout how the kens will eventually basically have the same rights as women in the real world she does not actually explain shit throughout the movie.

[@maldaror7097]

Jack Saint , take this from an old guy that worries about the way the world is going.......you are O.K. more voices like you please.

[@Primalstrawberry]

The pikmin 4 footage of the guy calling Barbie fans “beta male cucks” 😭 how can you be bigoted while being surrounded by silly funny guys, I’ll never understand

[@kingLorshi]

It really shows that anyone can like anything. I find there to be something quite hilarious about the juxtaposition there. Btw what is best Pikmin. (Not actually best just your fav)

[@NIHIL_EGO]

@@kingLorshi I like the Winged ones, they're so zesty.

[@batfreeze56]

​@@kingLorshiwhite Pikmin. They can dig and if someone eats them they die

[@nena_nezali]

The phrase "this very tedious apocalypse" straight up bypassed my armor for massive true damage

[@shadowsndust284]

Same!

[@mariabobia69]

i knew once they dropped the word “patriarchy” that barbie would make some very strange old men mad

[@donnylurch4207]

I felt the same way. There has to he some academic term for the way they insist on changing the public vocabulary to suit their needs. Any time a perfectly useful term like "patriarchy," "toxic masculinity," or "woke" catches on, they make a conscious effort to assassinate the validity of the attached concepts by performatively cringing or shutting down whenever they hear the no-no words. "Well I can't take this seriously now, you said 'critical race theory' like it's a real thing I should think critically about!"

[@williamchamberlain2263]

​@@donnylurch4207'hystrionics'

[@theenemy4313]

​@@donnylurch4207 You put "toxic" next to "masculinity" and then acted surprised when people started associating them. These words have meanings, but most people use them to demonize a crowd, which is why some might cringe upon hearing them. It's not that hard to understand. Forgive men for being a little pissed that one of the most popular movies today is all about how evil men are.

[@jordanloux3883]

What do these culture warrior guys actually like? What actually brings joy to their miserable lives?

[@JetScreamer_YT]

Pissin in their own basement!

[@jordanloux3883]

@@JetScreamer_YT Gotta claim their territory

[@JetScreamer_YT]

@@jordanloux3883 ROFL

[@manolgeorgiev9664]

I imagine, traditional movies from the 90s. (that is true at least for a few of them)

[@jazzycat8917]

@@manolgeorgiev9664 No one tell them Mrs Doubtfire is part of the woke drag agenda

[@Geswert72]

I think the thing to remember about people's interpretation of the Barbie movie and what it means to them is that... Most people aren't leftists. Most people were not looking for a movie about the structural issues with existing as a woman in the modern age and the systems that keep them in place. The movie nods to them a few times but ultimately seems uninterested in that. What I thought the movie was REALLY good at was being a text for how to simply exist as a woman. How to relate to yourself and other women, and your mother or daughter if you have one.

[@VexVerity]

I agree completely. The inciting incident is intrusive thoughts about not being alive. The question is not about solving systemic injustice. It’s, “Is it worth it to live in this world even if it’s like this, even if will always will be like this for the entire duration of your lifespan?” A scathing critique of Mattel isn’t unwarranted so much as it doesn’t help. It’s a pretend solution in a movie. What is that supposed to do for someone with that same kind of question who has to walk back out of the theater into a world that was not saved by improving Barbie Land more? Your friends coming to talk with you about your shared experiences and understanding of what it does to you to live with a particular type of oppression because it gives you more leverage to extract yourself from dehumanizing views of yourself and your place in the world? That’s what’s helpful on that scale. Sitting in a park and letting yourself see the world and the people in it as beautiful? Helpful. Talking to your elders about their lives and experiences? Helpful. Understanding identity as communally defined rather than individualistic is kinda subversive in a capitalist framework for what that’s worth, because it’s an incompatible framework. I’m not saying this movie is a bold political screed or anything like that, but I do think that the focus and presentation of its message is particularly upsetting to some people for reasons that go a lot further than misogyny and are more involved than just being too shallow and entitled to handle seeing stories that don’t represent them. I don’t think it’s just egos that are fragile. It’s also having very few options for how identity could be understood. That’s fairly easy to threaten with things that seem laughably innocuous.

[@wowanothercookie]

As much as I was kind of looking for a movie like that (maybe not from Barbie but more in geberal), I really appreciate this perspective on the movie. It makes it feel just a bit more understandable why it stopped where it did.

[@stormwarrior5362]

The best way I can describe Ken is a guy with dense muscle and brain mass. Specifically the one from Barbie’s Dreamhouse - the best Barbie tv show.

[@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502]

Wouldn't a dense brain make someone smart?

[@Starsaroundmyscars.13]

I literally adore that show

[@ireysword]

Life in the dreamhouse had no right to be as funny as it was. I loved that show!

[@elfodelputoinfierno]

This movie was the most heavy handed commentary I've seen in a while, has conclusions quite literally laid out by dialogue/narration and these GENIUSES still manage to get EVERYTHING WRONG. HOW.

[@LuluTheCorgi]

It's all the testosterone making them go into a blind rage when they see a women talk

[@Sootielove]

Oh fuck. For fuck's sake, I *liked* shadiversity! How did I not know he would unironically call the barbie movie "man-hating"?

[@beanbean8375]

Same boat; didn't know he had another channel. Incredibly disappointing

[@robbiirvine1038]

Nerdy white man who is Way Too Into Medieval History being a total dbag is shocking to you?

[@enter_eagle]

he's also brothers with art youtuber Jazza. I bailed on them both years ago because Shad interviewed Carl (Sargon of Akkad) and was just tripping over his heels asking Carl to reaffirm that men good women bad, and I guess part of my kid brain figured that Jazza didn't deserve my support if he wasn't gonna do damage control for his brother's hate.

[@DissedRedEngie]

to be fair, he is a literal neckbeard sword nerd cosplaying as a medieval knight.

[@aureliodeprimus8018]

@@DissedRedEngie You forgot that he is a mormon. Wait, i meant moron. Ehh, its the same anyway.^^

[@Mortimer13]

And I thought the problem with Barbie was that they talk too little about the radiation hazard left on the Trinity test site.

[@vjkvkj]

Bro the ken cut on him looks immaculate

[@d53njac]

Their portrayal of Ken is an assault on masculinity because, as we all know, real men learn what it means to be a man is by stealing their sister's Ken doll and undressing it to see what it looks like naked.

[@aSingularJame]

Would I be offering an overly charitable reading of the film if I took the ending as not a moderate walkback of its themes, but rather a depressing acknowledgement that these things are too engrained in society to offer a quick fix? - Barbie land goes back to the way it was, but a little nicer to the Kens. The cycle continues. - They suggest a more 'normal' looking Barbie. Capitalist Will Ferrell accepts it because it will make money. It felt- to me at least- that the film was pointing out how feel-good buzzwords and simple answers won't solve the problem. People will still exercise power over less-privileged folks. Capitalism will still co-opt anything made for good and turn it into a vehicle for profit. I only watched the movie once, so I may be wildly misreading it and giving it too much credit, but I think it's noteworthy that Stereotypical Barbie decides "Nah, Imma do my own thing" and stops living in the overly-simplistic dreamland of that world that's only really taken an incremental step toward improvement. It's a step that has caused some people like Ken or America's character to feel more empowered and better about themselves, which is great, but even those things can't really lead to widespread cultural change, and it'll take more than that. But then again, maybe I have no clue what I'm talking about, idk.

[@sarafontanini7051]

yah the movie isn't really about 'feminisim' or 'fighting the patriarchy'so much as akcnolwedging there are problems in society that really affect women in paricular and the best you, a random ass person, can do is roll with the punches, try to live your ebst life and even do your best to make things more managable as you deal with the contradicitons, and finding joy as a woman even with the problems yu'll face as one.

[@error-4518]

it is kind of crazy that only about 3 years ago I would have fully agreed with these dudes lol

[@aureliodeprimus8018]

Many were at this point. That is what these alt-right idiots and grifters do. Like every indoctrinating religion they prey on those who don`t know better and repeat the same points ad nauseum until it is etched into the brain.

[@noelvalenzarro]

It’s crazy how much we can grow in 3 years alone. I’m happy for you.

[@chiefpurrfect8389]

Savour the progress my dude 🍷

[@randomnerd3402]

Same here. I still cringe at 11 year old me

[@LadyVandMrT]

Well I am proud of all of you. And I love you and so do your mothers. Good work and never stop being your best self every day! Who knows where you'll be in 3 more years! ❤ be well.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

I feel sorry for your mum having to learn who Ben was.

[@AAHAHHHHH]

oh no guy with different opinion! quick hide the illegal immigrants

[@Alex-cw3rz]

@@AAHAHHHHH what?

[@AAHAHHHHH]

@@Alex-cw3rz joke is obvious democrats love destroying their country by flooding it with criminals and rapists

[@lactobacillusprobiotic7029]

@@AAHAHHHHHWhat are you taking about???

[@thenameiswater2921]

I love Barbie for being a FUN movie. It’s not perfect at all. And as a trans man, I found myself really connecting to Ken’s arc, where I went too masculine, discovered who I am, and pulled back and realized I am Kenough :) And yeah just, it was just kind of relatable and unlocked a lot of childhood memories that have helped me discover even more of myself and my identity journey. So yeah. I loved it. Then again, in general, Barbie movies are my trash 😂

[@Horatio787]

Shad throwing a dozen buzzwords together sort of reminds me of Naruto where they're just listing off every technique someone has.

[@kurootsuki3326]

so real omg

[@gek_c]

what bugged me about barbie while watching it was that it felt like it was hitting you over the head with the message but you really cant get mad at that cuz some people still arent getting it

[@prageruwu69]

1:00 the guy calling barbie a male humiliation ritual over pikmin footage is so funny omg

[@Fordddyyy]

I can no longer play with my adult male barbies because its woke now

[@mr.nobody5669]

I personally think "I am Kenough" as a message works well to tell guys you dont have to be the way society makes you think you have to be muscles, money, great car etc. That you are enough as you are. And In the real world having mens mental health and suicide being a major issues thats barely addressed. This movie tells us. I am enough.

[@journeymanic9605]

I liked Shad at one point. He's even on a friendly, if not friends, terms with one of my favorite writers, and you begin to worry about people through association.

[@raindrop_33]

Just gonna type this out, mostly because I just want to talk about Barbie: I think the fact it didn't go far enough kind of adds to what I personally got out of it. I think there's a larger meta-narrative here and it's that Barbie had it right the first time: Sasha was the one "playing" with her. Meaning, the entire movie is coming from the lens of an AFAB growing up with Barbie, being exposed to the world as it is, and the resulting dissonance of growing up that way. The dialogue being so on the nose reflects the way Sasha talks, and the way the world is presented comes off to me as how a preteen or teenager would understand the world at that point too. Her mom's and Barbie's characters are in effect extensions of her. Sasha is cognizant enough of the flaws in society that she can verbalize it (albeit in a way that indicates she read about it but has not fully processed it), but by virtue of being a woman and a minor, she has little to no power. The film ends with something optimistic for her: even incremental change is change, and should be celebrated. It felt like a film against doomerism, which I always feel in the context of gender. And in that way, I think it's extremely subversive even with all the limitations imposed on it.

[@yelsinneklibfimayisyenniafou]

You make being a blonde looks so natural😂

[@MrEdwardElrik]

Did Ben have his eyebrows done with an industrial chisel tip sharpie?

[@m00nrac00n]

Laminated. He looks more and more yassified which is funny considering his "criticism".

[@Orangefan77]

Ben Sharpie-ro

[@RukaDesu]

I personally never cared about politics, hated both sides, I remember laughing and making fun of SJWs and some of the more cringy stuff from the far left! BUT after the years I started to see that the other side was a BIT worse! I always thought to myself "I don't care for politics! I'm not left, I just want basic human rights for everyone, and everybody having basic things like health and food! and I mean everyone, all races and genders!" and I really was like " this isn't POLITICS, that's just COMMON SENSE"....... apparently I was wrong, what I want is extreme far left apparently! cause there are REAL PEOPLE that are anti-choice, openly racist, openly hating women, seeing gays as mental illnesses, and in general screaming at everything like an old grumpy boomer grandpas... basically I was pushed all the way to the left side, because the right wants me on a concentration camp at this point... "you are a queer woman from a latin-american country?! we are going to shit on every single aspect of what you are, and throw so much hate and vitriol at you! and if you kill yourself, we'll turn that against you! by ignoring it was because of the MASSIVE harassments you suffered, and just blame on your queerness instead! making statistics to PROVE that queer people are mentally ill and it causes suicide!" and those fuckers act surprised when I say I'm going to the other side of the political spectrum, and refusing to interact with them... they throw some "don't judge someone by their political opinions, or you are a cry baby!" bruh, if their opinions are THAT toxic by DEFINITION, I won't be wanting to be ANYWHERE NEAR them!

[@IsabellaMathew]

Honestly don't blame you.

[@JemaKnight]

I found it extremely similar to Mel Brooks' work in the way that everything it said that could make anyone upset, was very directly and intentionally designed to make that kind of person upset.

[@Firegen1]

8:33 - Horrifying yet hilarious realisation. When the Kens start selling out, is it these reviewers buying the Mojo JoJo Fuzzy Lumpkins Villa Houses? Cos I suddenly envisioned that scene with the boxes and which houses they go to. Ben Shapiro- "Now this is ideal toy the modern masculine"

[@fractalicflow]

"maybe if you are a medieval knight living in rural australia..." Really got me... I've been laughing for 15 min and had to comeback here just to comment this... I so much hope shad answers this

[@DocAcher]

A thought about the Kens: I think part of the reason they're not relevant in Barbie society is because the Barbies never asked for them. Barbie was made complete, the company decided she needed a guy, so he was literally built to be an accessory... that never sold as well. Which does add to the character arc of the Kens learning to build themselves an identity outside of Barbie.

[@seraphonica]

"Go fash, no cash" is a great response to "Get woke, go broke" But I think we're getting to the point where it becomes "trigger the right, wallet's tight"

[@LuluTheCorgi]

I wish it was that way but fascism is incredibly profitable and on the rise all over the world

[@galenspikesmusic]

fash can make for a great movie, look at top gun

[@jaketaylor3901]

The only male humiliation brought on by the Barbie movie is all the alt right men screaming about it for hours on end

[@virtualprimatologist]

It was very funny to me that the "deadline" that the barbies had to meet to save the day was that constitutional vote. And then the Kens had to just respect it once they realized they were fooled. I know its barbie land with kids rules, but still, funny to think

[@popogeejo]

When I saw Barbie I did here kids saying they didn't get a lot of it so it's probably fair to say it could have been more patronisingly heavy handed. I also did think it was intentional the problems were only solved in the comically simple Barbie Land and ultimately Barbie still feels the need to leave that fantasy for the more complex real world. I'm also reminded of the perfect line from Disco Elysium about Capital's great strength being that it can fold criticism of it into itself and co modify(?) that.

[@epaomirimiri]

I thought it was interesting that the problems weren't ACTUALLY solved, even IN Barbieland. They'd made a teensy sliver of progress from where they'd started and that was better than nothing (and MUCH better than the reactionary revoluKen that had taken place in the meantime) but Barbieland was still a million miles away from equality and the public was just comfortable with that for the time being. I think it was an insightful critique of incrementalism and how it hasn't really SOLVED the issues for anybody writ large even though it *has* helped. Bigger changes need to be made in the real world AND in Barbieland.

[@chefnerd]

Jesus, Shad really joined the ranks of the critical drinkers, geeks&gamers and doomcocks ...

[@aureliodeprimus8018]

"Doomcocks"......That is a neat word for them.^^

[@deathdodo150]

@@aureliodeprimus8018 I think that is an actual KZbinr they’re talking about. Look them up if you wish. Just note that they’re also a bit out there with their commentaries on “wokeness” and such things like that.

[@kawaiigoomy3487]

Yeah, I'm very disappointed in him, I used to enjoy his fantasy castle and weapon analysis videos quite a lot. I think me becoming much more tolerant of "unrealistic" fantasy art and moving away from such a rigid design philosophy was a sign.

[@PinkNymphetamine22]

Very telling how many right-leaning critics just completely ignore that the film also criticizes matriarchal power and how men are made to feel like their self-worth should revolve around material possessions and their relationship with women. But I guess that noticing that would actually take more effort than disgruntingly entering into the theater with an already-formed opinion on the film and spending all the movie looking at what things they can trash about it without much thought.

[@stevenclubb7718]

While I can't be arsed to dig through the garbage fire of anti-woke KZbin, I get the feeling that all these grifters thought Barbie was going to be the next big thing to hate on... and their audience ended up just shrugging their shoulders and continuing to not care about Barbie & Ken.

[@c.w.8200]

My relationship with Barbie is like a big blank somehow, I had like 50 but I couldn't play with dolls, my sister made up whole songs about them, invented long elaborate stories and acted them out, I just didn't know what to with them, still trying to figure out if I'm on the spectrum or something, would track with my other issues.

[@banquetoftheleviathan1404]

The different clothes give them powers so you can make out fits to come up with power combinations. Like the red gogo boots give her grasshopper powers and the blue dress lets her turn into water to be invulnerable to attacks etc.

[@BrigitteEmpire]

This video is oozing with Kenergy

[@jazzycat8917]

Quality Kentertainment

[@tomkatt8274]

@@jazzycat8917 Kens Kool Klub

[@creeperinvasion6885]

Crazy they went from Amy Schumer to Margot Robbie. Went from the literal worst possible choice to the best

[@biteofdog]

Yeah, that's quite weird choice, the movie script must have been way different back then. I'm glad that the movie eventually landed in the right hands.

[@Meee9541]

What I also found funny was how in the Barbieland “matriarchy” the Kens got to go to parties everyday and weren’t harassed at all (like yeah they didn’t have houses but do you really need one in Barbieland lol). Versus the real world people experience under patriarchy.

[@nobody.836]

I still think about the fact that in the original Barbieland the Barbies still didn't humiliate the Kens - yeah they ignored them but they didn't actively work to diminish them. But when it was turned into Kenland the Kens made the Barbies serve them and diminished their existing lives. And then Barbie was the one that apologized. This movie is hugely empathetic towards men.

[@sarafontanini7051]

tobe fair it was that SPECIFIC barbie apologising to that SPECIFIC Ken, not th othr kens and barbies, because that specific Barbie HAD been quite condescending and rude to that Ken and that was what fueledhis villain arc, and the apology came along with acknolwedging his core issues and helping him work it out.

[@mhawang8204]

Yeah ‘cause Barbieland is how little girls play with the dolls. Kens are just another accessory. These “critics” can’t imagine men being props while women are so used to seeing themselves like that in action movies.