WHO COULD STOP A RETURNED ANGRON? WHICH PRIMARCH IS THE IMPERIUMS BEST HOPE?

[@thewayfarer8849]

Honorable mention: Perturabo. I know he's a Traitor, but beating him and saying "a slave you are, and a slave you remain" is the biggest burn Angron has/will ever receive.

[@worldeater2414]

That entire fight was a joke to me, since in lore Angron cuts through tanks with his weapon

[@cryamistellimek9184]

@@_DeadEnd_ Not to mention the time a naked world eater killed multiple custodes bare handed..

[@worldeater2414]

@@_DeadEnd_ eh, when you say in lore multiple times "this character can take out the main good guy, and is a A+ Fighter" you kinda can't have him lose to a C+ fighter

[@nukem8128]

@@worldeater2414 sure you can. Deny him the carnage he needed to stay fueled up. Had he still been at 100% then I'd be more in favor of angron winning that encounter. Take the L, it's ok. You'll get a seat new model while the iron daddy will never see the light of day.

[@worldeater2414]

@@nukem8128 Okay but when Perturabo got there, they had slaughtered everything. He didn't "need slaughter", he had Slaughter. He had skulls, he had everything there. The fact Angron could even be there and grow larger shows he had enough. The writer did a big stupid because he needed to get shit orginized, but the hilarity of it all is that had he switched Lorgar and Pert it would have worked fine. Lorgar would have asked and Angron would have done it, and Pert could see Fulgrim again and be very disdainful about it all.

[@chainsawsubtlety9828]

The Primarch most likely to defeat Angron would be anyone willing to fight him in the manner that Perturabo did so...intelligently.

[@henryviiifake8244]

☝ *The real answer.*

[@meivvmm8009]

The best answer

[@burntham113]

Thats why I think Guilleman could do it. He's not going to try and 1v1 Angron like he did Fulgrim and Morty, he's gonna let Angron rage-charge right into a trap, probably have him surrounded by Grey Knights, sisters of silence, custodes, then just go ham on him.

[@LordyT34]

Gullimane is a good choice for that, but I think the Lion could handle him as well. I think he'd learn to dance around Angron once he realizes that he can't overpower Angron

[@ianharrison5758]

@@LordyT34 The Lion also wouldn’t have any issues having his marines fire upon Angron during the fight. I can see The Lion ordering his troops to make a triangular formation so Artillery and Bolters can funnel the world eaters and Angron into a direct Kill zone with The Lion waiting for him. It would be similar to how perturabo fought Angron. Surround him, deny him bloodshed via glorious melee combat, then wait for him to be weak enough to comfortably 1v1. With the lions spooky dark age tech his legion keeps locked away I wouldn’t be surprised if the Lion just jumped him with the help of 2 enslaved men of iron

[@JhonnyChitarra]

Daemon Primarch Angron manifests anywhere in the material universe. The Grey Knights: "Cowabunga it is"

[@guruvedra]

Khorne club two dimension down(c)some Gray Knight probably

[@Geraduss]

You know the "Perfect clone of Fulgrim?" I want a "Perfect Clone of Angron" without the butchers nails. And just see what sort of person he would be like.

[@mitchellbrough1615]

It would be interesting especially because he was supposed to be a healer rather than a butcher

[@Geraduss]

@@mitchellbrough1615 The more I think about it the more I see him doing after escaping Biles laboratory would be escaping to some backwater agry/feudal world and just being some farmer trying to forget his past and memories until his found again.

[@Damien_N]

@@mitchellbrough1615 it would be very interesting, I’d imagine an uncorrupted War Dogs, led by an unbroken Angron would be akin to the brutality of the Blood Angels, crossed with the Salamanders’ humanity.

[@II-wu7mx]

Warrior monk imo, full of peace and understanding until violence is the answer.

[@chrisbennett6236]

That Angron would superior to the real one in nearly every way and certainly all the ways that matter.

[@BENR8108]

Angron is a beast…. And there is only one Primarch known as The Slayer of Beasts….because he is one himself hidden under a knightly veneer…

[@astormofwrenches5555]

Agreed

[@FoxHound-ut1hu]

The dude who got taken out by a buffed chaos cultist?

[@Black_Knight_Germany]

Johnson could Not do the kill blow because he still see Luther as Fatherfigure/Brother. With Angron it is not the same. He will Kill Angron. Also Corax can do it. He beats Lorgar nearly to death.

[@FoxHound-ut1hu]

@@Black_Knight_Germany Excuses, excuses. Also yanno he can't actually kill Angron right? Only the Emperors sword or Gungnir can give a daemon true death.

[@Black_Knight_Germany]

@@FoxHound-ut1hu Rho said who can stop him. Not kill him. ;-) And he 'kills/banns' a Demonprince before. Its not an excuse, its my interpretation. Just like Rho said. And with a reforged Lion Sword he can kill Demons. But in the end it does not matter. If GW want someone to win, he will win. No matter the lore.

[@rebel1717]

I hope Guilliman takes notes from Perturabo, because attacking Angron at a distance and robbing him of his much needed close quarters combat will most definitely be needed to either stop or at the very least weaken Angron enough for Guilliman to deliver the killing blow with Big E’s sword.

[@fallensigh199]

You would think he would learned from his last encounter from fulgrim that would help him fight mortarion and it a fact that he doesn't have a good idea on to counter a demon primarch. So my guess is he eithere going to need the emperor help everytime he is in a life death situation against his bothers or El lion wake up to fight Angron

[@sheevpalpatine2128]

I hope the authors think before they write garbage too, you're right.

[@nanonano2595]

take off and nuke the site from orbit. worked at istvaan, maybe the imperium should have taken notes

[@dac314]

Yeah, he got his bacon saved from Magnus by the intervention of the Sisters of Silence, but maybe some Grey Knights could aid in stuffing Angron back into the Warp. As it is, Bobby G seems to be iron-focused and on his A game every moment OTHER than when he's dealing with his Fallen Brothers. It's both good and bad writing, good to allow lots of drama and talking, bad because G-man should have out-smarted them in orbit or logistically months earlier. The fact that he has to be on the ground swinging a sword at the 11th Hour means he's already biffed it.

[@minhducnguyen9276]

@@nanonano2595 Yea, fighing in close range was always the last resort to Gulliman, bombardment was his staple just like Perty. But GW forgot that not all of their audience are school kids high on sugar who can only get excited to fighting scenes.

[@Jpipooly]

The clear choice is the one and only Primork: Ghazghkull Thraka

[@TrebleAmp]

It would be a great scrap! Lol

[@josephvanhaverbeke1448]

I agree! I wish blackmane didn’t beat him

[@LeónSantiaguino]

Would be one hell of a plot twist.

[@aleksra7766]

Tuska Daemonkilla...

[@Gorkadorkk]

Kaptin badrukk

[@ourcommonancestry6025]

I, Cato Sicarius, am most assured that I, Cato Sicarius, could easily best Angron.

[@guruvedra]

*angry calgar grunts*

[@shadowwalker3958]

Calgar : Fhuck off!

[@MrSarcasticGaming]

I love that KZbin asks me if I want to translate this to English

[@ourcommonancestry6025]

@@MrSarcasticGaming lololol

[@emperorconstantine1.361]

Are you looking for a FISTIN’, thinking you are BETTER than me, YOUR CHAPTER MASTER??

[@ivylt1274]

Love this. Wasn't expecting Corax to be the one but he indeed is slept on along with The Khan. Man what I would give to have all of the loyalist brothers return. One can only dream. With that being said, I do wonder what each loyalist Primarch warp powers would be if they all fully embraced it? We are blessed with Corax being a whatever entity he is right now so the others would be something to behold as well.

[@johnd3687]

Corax has always been my favorite primarch. Good to see him getting some love, as he is slept on so much.

[@josephahner3031]

I would argue that given Angron's degenerated mental state, any trained warrior that can match him in speed and hit hard enough to get the kill would eventually triumph. The Lion's prior career as a Warp Beast hunter gives him an edge though.

[@mattblomquist6991]

Wasn't Caliban basically in the eye of terror? The warp beasts the Lion was fighting as a child would have been nothing to scoff at. I think it can safely be said that the Lion has a lot of experience fighting warp entities.

[@Machiroable]

You're lowballing Angron by quite alot, before he ascended to demonhood he could match if not win against Guilliman and he nearly did, now if given the opportunity I don't think there's a lot of people that could him against him aside from Perturabo and maybe Mortarion.

[@josephahner3031]

@@Machiroable I think you need to reread what I said but I'll elaborate. I'm not saying Angron wouldn't fight like the devil possessed, I'm saying he's got next to no finesse and finesse is what wins a fight in the end. Even the best of the Primarchs will still have their work cut out for them for sure but Angron is basically a berserker. Which is actually a severe handicap in a fight rather than an asset if you don't have a decisive advantage in reach, durability, speed, and power. If Angron does have these advantages it takes a whole brotherhood of Grey Knights to put him down and most of them die as we saw on Armageddon. However to a fellow Primarch who can keep up with him his advantage narrows considerably. He'll tear through armies better than any other Primarch, traitor or loyalist for sure but that's not going to help him against someone who fights strategically and can match his speed like the Lion, Guilliman or Dorn. Vulkan and Russ might struggle more or even lose outright if they lose their tempers but as long as they keep their heads they have a good chance of winning. No guarantees, if they can't land a critical enough blow to banish or kill him it doesn't matter. Angron does not tire and will eventually grind the unfortunate sod down no matter how good he may fight if they can't land that decisive hit.

[@josephahner3031]

@@mattblomquist6991 not in the Eye but it was warp tainted. There was a greater demon sealed up deep beneath the surface of the planet and apparently it wasn't sealed up well enough to prevent his essence from leaking outside and causing all kinds of fuckery to appear.

[@benjaminhartsock3281]

@@josephahner3031 Agreed on everyone but Vulkan. You can't grind him down and tire him out. You also can't put him down in a way that matters. Now, would he beat Angron? Maybe. But he wouldn't lose. Their battle might be two completely unkillable regenerators fighting forever.

[@nicolasberg6828]

Although Corax is imo the most powerful I'd put my money on the Lion. The lion is a cold-blooded killer without ego or any kind of default strategy. Even if not the most powerful, he'd come up with the best strategy against Angron. Furthermore he has a big resistance to any kind of mind tricks. I like the old Corax, but I wouldn't bet on the mental health of the new one.

[@KrullMaestaren]

I always interpreted the lore as, the Lion being the most well rounded primarch and his coldness makes him the scariest. The true beast in disguise. I can almost imagine the emperor telling him "do not hold back" against Angron... and the rest is daemon blood covering the walls.

[@dac314]

@@KrullMaestaren the best thing about the Lion is, the Big E wouldn't have to tell him "don't hold back". If you sent the Lion to do battle with Angron, you've either sent him to die, or to kill. Which is why the Big E usually sends Russ, knowing he'll fuck it up somehow.

[@jkgf4671]

"Cold blooded killer". That's why he failed to kill Curze, he failed to kill Luther. That's why he said he will stop Horus Heresy and make him follow Emperor again and not kill him. Yeah. Cold blooded killer is here. Hmm... It seems like he fails to kill people who are important to him, like his brothers and foster father.

[@dac314]

@@jkgf4671 that's why he...blew up his home planet when he discovered they had fallen to Chaos? I'm no fanboy of the Lion, but he's got ice water in his mofukken veins, compared to Big Softies like Russ and Vulkan.

[@minhducnguyen9276]

@@jkgf4671 To be fair, even Russ wasn't confident in his chance against Curze saying he was an unpredictable mad man.

[@jaegerbomb269]

I hope Corvus Corax comes back sooner than later. In his new Damon Form he could take Angron.

[@henryviiifake8244]

When did Corax become a demon?

[@nabbel9268]

Corax well with that warp presence inside him could make him a beast like a demon prim. But would GW let such a power return before the other comming back? Whats the point to buy a weaker prim then?

[@Fuzzycat16]

@@henryviiifake8244 He is described as a Daemon-Shade in the book "shadow of the past" . "As he turned to continue for the mound, the ground beneath the Word Bearer darkened. Like tar bubbling from a pit, seeping blackness flowed up his legs, swiftly engulfing him to the waist. The legionary fired down into the morass but his bolts simply disappeared without exploding. The thick blackness continued upwards, rivulets of shadow that snaked along his arms and around his throat. Growing, the umbra lifted the legionary from the ground, snapping an arm at the elbow, the bolter within his grip falling from the fingers. Kalta-Ar could not suppress an empathic wince as a leg contorted acutely, assuming an unnatural angle. The legionary's vox was clearly not functioning, and he was thankful they were spared more inhuman noises of painful death. Limb-snapping contortions wracked the armoured figure, almost tying the warrior into a knot, ceramite broken, bones shattered. The daemon-shade dropped the remains to the floor and heaved itself together into the approximation of a human form, though twice as tall as the legionary it had just slain. Tenebrous wings flowed from its back as it advanced, arms ending in spear-like talons."

[@TheKnizzine]

@@henryviiifake8244 he has been in the warp long enough hes kinda sorta turning into a warp crow thing.

[@sonicwingnut]

I guess the question with Corax is whether he's now concerned with the likes of Angron, or whether his campaign of terror against the word bearers is all-consuming.

[@deeperestmeme479]

That one warhound that nearly crushed him: My time has come

[@davideddy8557]

I miss my bird boy. Wish he would come back in a big way, I'd love to see him encounter the Primaris.

[@shannonwolf2736]

Much as I think you are correct about Corax, and as much as I want Dorn to be the one. I still think Papa Smurf has a better chance than posited. He has the Grey knights, he has the Emperor's sword, and he has the blood angels led by Dante. Fix the world eaters with the blood angles, flank with the great knights and finish with the Emperor's sword. Not as cool as a one on one, but probably more effective.

[@julianpourdanesh3339]

I know this is a angron video but man I wish perturubo wasn’t a demon prince but instead a renegade marine or like leader of all the pirate space marines. It just fits him better in my mind

[@Damien_N]

I agree with this, plus as a plot device it opens the door to Perturabo’s “redemption”.

[@wchamp170]

The only one realistically in play is Corax, hes a wraith now. Bobby G just about lost to a chaos infused mortarian.. Corax is now of the warp and you have to fight fire with fire.

[@maxstr]

Yeah but an Emporer- powered Bobby should be able to handle it

[@wchamp170]

@@maxstr he only has Big Es sword my friend, not the juice

[@maxstr]

@@wchamp170 He was possessed by the Emporer at the end of the Godblight novel

[@cryamistellimek9184]

@@maxstr I hope that has awakened some kind of psychic potential in Guilliman. It’s been my theory that whatever power he did have was being sucked up to power the sword.

[@ekulerudamuru]

@@cryamistellimek9184 nah, let's not add anymore abilities to big G, every primarch has his own specialty

[@haleonnovarider8182]

I would argue that most of the listed primarchs could beat Angron. He's actually a lot less than he ever was as a human primarch now that he is essentially a blood thirster. The sad thing about him is that while in a rage he is more akin to a force of nature with regards to the destruction he can deliver, he isn't a calculating threat like the other Daemon Primarchs. It's not like you have to contend with him acting as a battle field general like he used to. That being said, if you needed to pick a Primarch to take him one 1v 1. There is no question in my mind that the first choice is Russ and close second probably Vulkan. Russ has a unique function amongst his brothers that seems to provide him with a means to match the opponents he ultimately has to contend with. Russ also, other than, Sanguinius, and Angron is the only Primarch who was built to harness rage and use it as a weapon, and The wolves, by way of Russ, are uniquely insulated to the results that mass slaughter wrecks on the human psyche. The Blood Angels might be uniquely situated in that they are more deadly per capita, but the issue is that when the rage is unleashed it is nearly impossible to maintain control, as opposed to the Wolves who seem to have an iron grip on there viciousness. Russ, other than Horus and Magnus, has never gone 1v1 in full abandon, that has been recorded (See lost primarchs) So the "losses" the he sustained to Angron and the Lion don't actually count. Vulkan's strength and regenerative qualities are huge when it comes to his overall staying power, but similar to Russ, I don't think we have ever truly gotten to see Vulkan go all out. I'm waiting to see some epic writing about him defending the Emperor in the Siege, but from the descriptions given, if Vulkan truly wanted to throw the hammer down (pun intended) he'd be on a different level of behemoth to contend with. Also Vulkan's weapons all have special qualities that no other primarch could match. Much like Russ's spear, Vulkan is capable of forging artifacts that are on par with those of the Emperor, as such I think it gives him a massive boost to his ability in this situation.

[@LeónSantiaguino]

The Lion bested him

[@eltonjohntubola3212]

Angron wasn't made to be a raging berserker. His warp gift was to empathyIt’s implied in Slave of Nuceria that Angron had an empathic power to take the pain of others into himself knowing that he had the strength to bear it. He's more of a support general.

[@Sergio8897V]

@@eltonjohntubola3212 not really. His legion was brutal even before they met him and they are modeled after their Primarchs by genetics. It doesn’t fully mix with his power but he was for sure a violent person by design.

[@Sergio8897V]

Angron has already beat Russ in a one on one

[@jordank3203]

the lion is the ends all means/ well rounder primarch read his book

[@bobbyrabii2402]

Even tho he is dead, with all the warp fuckery going around, Sanguinuis would be the one to beat Angron. Both would be warped infused powers now, and its always been said that both are the top tier of 1 on 1 fighters of the primarchs. Of the "still living" primarchs, I would say the Lion. Simply because as many have mentioned already, he has been fighting daemons his whole life. Plus his tactical acumen would lead him to place Angron into a trap of some kind to level the odds.

[@winterborn735]

Imperial daemon primarch to defeat a daemon primarch? Yes, yes, a million times yes.

[@insertedgynamehere]

Good bet on sanguinius

[@rafaelcarrera9436]

I keep seeing people on different forums mention Tyberos the red wake, chapter master of the space sharks, as being so strong as to compete with primarchs. In the story he is one of, if not the largest non primarch human and even some fan theories of him being one of the lost primarchs who was banished to the outer rim of the galaxy to carry out a penance crusade. I don't know how possible any of that is but he seems like a great match up against Angron.

[@JoeyFangaz]

I really wish there would be an “assumed” whenever discussing Alpharius’s death to Dorn/Guilliman. It’s pretty much put in front of us Dorn killed Omegon(taking name of Alpharius) while the loyal Alpharius threw a decoy out so he could sink to shadows.(That and so GW could open door to future return)

[@sheevpalpatine2128]

The rule is anyone calling themselves Alpharius, no matter if they are him are not, are dead, because they are lesser prmarchs, that are only good at hiding and playing silly dressup games.

[@tomdolan9761]

In the Book of Revelation the Alpha and the Omega represent God the Father and Jesus....I suspect the names Alpharius for Alpha(the first letter in the Greek alphabet) and Omegon(for Omega the last letter in the Greek alphabet) has a meaning to the writers as yet to be revealed

[@LittleIAO]

Or someone else entirely. There's no guarantee Dorn killed either of the twin Primarchs.

[@tomdolan9761]

@@LittleIAO The recent theory of a 3rd head of the Hydra seems a bit much unless the original count of 20 Primarchs is correct and both Alpharius and Omegon were simply overly large legionnaires intended as cover for the real primarch of the Alpha Legion. If there actually were twins it would be 21 Primarchs originally which seems suspicious

[@firebat2k3]

Thank you, I keep saying that Dorn did not kill Alpharius because that was not Alpharius. I am Alpharius.

[@MerKnight79]

I think if Vulkan witnessed Angron slaying countless civilians...watching his disregard for life.... he has a chance...otherwise I think he would try to reason with Angron and his sentiment may get him killed...at least a couple times lol. I also think much of Angrons Daemon enhanced advantage could be nullified if Vulkan is rocking some of his more devastating artifice items and armor. But at present with his warp given powers, I think you would need a warp gifted opponent for him. Corvus Corax would be my choice.

[@RichterBelmont2235]

Vulkan definitely needed that rage boost to stand a chance.

[@licensed_beheader]

Tf y'all saying . Vulkan is a master forger and he has some of the gnarliest weapons of all his brothers , Dorn said vulkan could rip anyone even primarchs limb by limb and was the strongest of the bunch followed by Ferrus, Rogal Dorn never lies .Vulkan pummeled konrad till he curled up like a bloodied little fetus and said he always held back during their duels coz of how pitiful fighters some of his bros were . Oh yeah hes also immortal.

[@foreverfornever1124]

As a certified Vulkan fanboy, as much as I would love to see him back, I think the lion hints make it so he may be the one to return. I personally want a glorious return of Vulkan in a massive update and actual Salamander model line

[@firebat2k3]

I agree and wish the Salamanders got more love.

[@foreverfornever1124]

@@firebat2k3 I'm putting some of my chips into 10th edition for the Salamanders. I think its time for the remaining Primarchs to enter the fold again. I actually believe at the end of 9th we will get a one more Primarch reveal

[@commanderdragco3123]

Dorn would probably make a line a fortifications so fortified that angron would rage quit before breaking them

[@miguelperez9906]

The sanguinor has fought beings of his equivalent power like Ka'Bandha , and it would be funny to have a moment where angron was just befuddled saying somtning like “ brother when did you get so tiny?” How cool would it be to see the red angel fight the remnants of the great angel would be a cool way to release two minis.

[@moncey1120]

Dorn is more of a duelist, I can't see him faring well against a Khorntite Daemon Prince. Though I could see him using similar tactics to Purty and recking Angron from afar

[@sethkrueger5472]

He fucked up fulgrim, and fulgrim is broken as a daemonprince

[@im2randomghgh]

I disagree, Dorn is pure efficient brutality in combat. He fights like a black templar, and that seems like exactly how you fight Angron if you end up crossing blades with him. I do agree that he'd probably try not to end up in that fight in the first place though!

[@Machiroable]

@@sethkrueger5472 But by then his sword was controlling him, the one fighting was the Slannesh deamon, not Fulgrim.

[@cosuinofdeath]

@@Machiroable no that was fulgrim truly

[@ryansauchuk7290]

The best offense is a good defense

[@gwilym1991]

Guilliman went toe to toe with a non-demon Angron, only retreating when he became a demon and Lorgar was there. I could see Guilliman pulling a Russ when holding him off whilst his armies destroys Angrons and then getting the support he needs to defeat him.

[@ClovenOnes]

Guilliman did not go toe to toe, Guilliman was about to die from angron

[@haylongwang3002]

Angron was dying but still beating the shit out of Guilliman

[@henryviiifake8244]

Guilliman was losing to a dying Angron, my guy. 😐

[@meivvmm8009]

Yeah i think so, he is the only one to fought against 2 primarchs at the same time

[@meivvmm8009]

@@ClovenOnes not true he fought both primarchs, and held, at some point he was losing but not dying, till he hit him with his gauntlet

[@michelletheia9853]

I suspect we’ll get Lion next, with his own arc and actions and a ton of tension with RG, then Angron returns and they’re forced to put it aside to defeat Angron together

[@kandrs7445]

Vulkan's fight with Magnus puts him square in the battle. Magnus undid him on a molecular level, and that didnt stop him. When magnus killed another servant to the throne, Vulkan unleashed his anger to the point where Magnus's gave himself to Tzeentch. I'll state it again. The only psyker that came close to the Emperor could not kill or protect himself from an enraged Vulkan. Vulkan's rage was so great, it battered through the most potent of warp craft. It would be one of the most epic battles in 40k history.

[@theskinthiefs6301]

Corvus Corax is op and slept on, I hope we see him some how soon enough.

[@sbeaber]

The Lion. He's used to dealing with mindless beasts..hey oh!!!

[@moncey1120]

Best chance I'd say is either Russ or Khan. Khan would just run rings around him, depriving him of a proper fight. Russ is just a beast in physical fighting and tactics

[@kiakaha307]

Why not the Lion with his decades of fighting demonic hoards and his 10k year power nap?

[@psychedashell]

Russ is a brilliant slayer of most things but he’s a massive choke artist when it comes to his brothers.

[@mrgbulldozer1384]

Russ couldn't beat Angron when angron wasn't imbued with chaos. Daemon primarch Angron would tear Russ a new one

[@LeónSantiaguino]

The khan though impresive i just don't see wining against angron, he should be contested with Fulgrim.

[@saltking2133]

@@LeónSantiaguino I agree but i think Khan would smashhhhh Fulgrim human form. Daemon Prince would just be an epic-scale fight that would be dope to read

[@JohnnyReborn665]

The Lion would slay Angron, he'd return to the warp, and Draigo would slay him, and once he's back the Lion slays him again, and so forth. Basically it would be a ping-pong game, and Angron is the ball

[@CoolCraftCool]

We only need a good batch of Grey Knights maybe Kaldor Draigo will step up to bat this one.

[@PretenderCS]

At least we know now who could beat Angron in his "ascendet" state.

[@moncey1120]

Lion may be able to take him, but I doubt he'd survive the encounter himself

[@cryamistellimek9184]

It’s being hinted that each loyalist primarch might develop their own powers now to match the demon primarchs, who knows what he would gain to handle angron.

[@Agustin-1991]

I think he would do something like Azrael did with Kharn, trick him unto failure, not death or banishing

[@jaghatai_bulut]

On a one vs one, Lion stands zero chance. But with his Legion he could defeat Angron like Perturabo did

[@Motard.Actual]

@@jaghatai_bulut do not underestimate the Lion. The Lion would beat the shit out of a slave of Khorne. Not to mention he was the only of his brother to defeat Konrad with no other primarch could do.

[@jaghatai_bulut]

@@Motard.Actual Konrad was still just a primarch. Angron is a Daemon Prince for gods sake. Even Jaghatai got his ass beat against Mortarion after he became a prince. I do not underestimate Lion. I think it is you who inderestimates Daemon Princes in general

[@jeffgormley2938]

Well now we know it will be the lion facing off against Angron....

[@MrInzombia]

You forgot to mention that vulkan with his bare hands grabbed conrad and smashed him like a rag doll against the force field and got his hammer. Vulkan’s iq is also top tier. Able to solve the unsolvable maze that conrad hid his hammer in.

[@Taibek]

The problem I have with all of this is due to the Godblight books. With the trump card of The Big E being able to essentially possess a primarch and Smite a Daemon Primarch kind of removes a lot of the "what if?" For me. I'd like to see a Chaos version of the same ilk to balance the scales somewhat to put some more uncertainty into these fights

[@tha8baller]

Whatever primarch you choose just make sure there’s a full brotherhood of Grey Knights standing by just in case. Though with the powered up Angron, even the Emperors Gift might not be enough.

[@Ronin-42]

Its funny to see how some of the speculation and the comments have aged given the Lion's return and how his confrontation with Angron played out.

[@giovannopezzotto4078]

Russ and Lion take on Angron together while competing on who can score more blows and the Unforgiven/Space Wolves fight the World Eaters

[@jakubizdinsky8856]

if this happen i would be extremely happy because i really like both of them.

[@giovannopezzotto4078]

@@jakubizdinsky8856 me too

[@jakubizdinsky8856]

@@giovannopezzotto4078 their special relationship is for me the best even I believe that Russ goes to the warp because he wanted to find Lion

[@dogalrorn]

Yep, people fail to realize how both Lion (whom I don't particularly like) and Russ (whom I cherish) had their characters developed after heresy ended and they became friends. Safe to say, when Lion wakes and warped up Russ returns, they'd brawl and then go off to fight chaos boys.

[@thatgamingguy4189]

I feel like Vulkan Vs Angron would be the most fun. Clash of absolute beasts. The one who may have been meant to be the compassion of the imperium vs the one who actually became such.

[@deamnis]

I feel that the Khan's speed and skill aswell as the ability to tank a shitton of damage makes him the best bet against a brute like angron

[@Ownedyou]

Lion makes a mockery of Angron.

[@Wolfbane192]

One thing I think gets slept on regarding Vulkan is his skill as a smith. Vulkan was created to be the greatest craftsman of all the Primarchs, so in addition to his strength and regeneration, he also has - apart from maybe The Lion, who has access to DAoT tech (and of course RG having Big E’s sword) - the best and strongest wargear of the brothers.

[@johnroberts4456]

But let vulkan study those, and he can make something better

[@jacobbaugher3599]

Bruh; guilliman did NOT kill alpharius. It’s directly stated that this was one of several times they thought they got rid of him, only for him to come back again, and that even the imperial author doubts guilliman’s claim

[@darkmadbat_]

Only confirmed Alpharius kill was Dorns

[@AcerbusFive]

I think Dorn killed Omegon. Alpharius lives.

[@sorufa888]

Can you trust anything about alpharius?

[@winterborn735]

Except that everything y'all have said is a lie.

[@henryviiifake8244]

@@darkmadbat_ Confirmed by who? Alpharius? 🤣 _Maybe that's what he wants you to think..._ 😏

[@Matihood1]

Speaking of Corax, I wish he returned to the Imperium and taught Guilliman how to embrace his own warp essence and unleash his powers. That would've been a great story, imo.

[@LeónSantiaguino]

The warped crow teaching his loyal brothers their true forms?

[@minhducnguyen9276]

@@LeónSantiaguino It is possible to learn this power?

[@darthparsley6839]

@@minhducnguyen9276 not from a Jedi

[@antebagen7240]

Well Corax's demon form reflekts what he truly is and thats why it is all about shadows and stuff but wouldnt RG's warp form be a giant calculator or something since his entire thing is being good at math and paperwork?

[@minhducnguyen9276]

@@antebagen7240 This gonna be a huge problem as Gulliman has no psychic talent besides the basic that all primarchs already possessed. Maybe it can still boost Gulliman galaxy brain, allowing him to predict the future with some level of accuracy?

[@azrealelric5101]

I honestly feel Lion El’Johnson would win, he has the ability to literally change a strike mid swing unconsciously, it’s how he was able to win against Kurz whom could literally predict all of the Lion’s moves but then was unable to because the Lion simply changed the outcome. Kurz was also feared as one of the best fighters amongst the primarchs. However I feel like Jagatai with his speed and hit and run tactics of his chapter would simply wear Angron and his sons down forcing them to make mistakes that would cost them everything.

[@Eclypsia13]

Yes, the Lion is like super duper awesome, he is like the bestest swordsman, master mega tactician, and when it comes to a fight, he can just change the fate with his laser eyes and a magical shield because he is just so awesome and kewwwwwl. Emperor didn't let him be warmaster because he was just like, super jealous, because he was just so awesome! Best at everything ever!... In all seriousness though, I really doubt we'll see the Lion come back at all, because he doesn't really do anything guilman does already. Just Lion lover bitches claiming he just does everything all the other primarchs do but better ;)

[@qevansable]

Like in boxing style makes fights. Lion= Roy Jones Jr Russ= Tyson Vulcan= Floyd Mayweather Jr Dorn= Rocky Marciano Jagatai= Sugar Ray Leonard

[@docvaliant721]

@@Eclypsia13 dear diary

[@MrInzombia]

beating Kurz isnt anything special. If you wanna use that as a feat, vulkan crushed Kurz with his bear hands and was called the wimpiest of the primarchs.

[@cosuinofdeath]

@@docvaliant721 haha for real

[@abrammilner9560]

Russ's spear showing Angron who he really is indeed a game changer and is amazing writing point to open up angrons character

[@RD-999.M41]

According to the new rules it would have to be the Tau rail guns. Seriously, I think it would be Vulcan, guys a beast!

[@IronFatherJohn]

Personally I love the theory that Ferrus will return as the head of the Legion of the Damned.

[@lukkaredwolf3534]

I see what you did there.

[@IronFatherJohn]

@@lukkaredwolf3534 It's hinted at in one of the Horus Heresy Books. The Emperor summons forth a wall of fire spirits to cleanse the webway and they're led by a giant flaming spirit of Ferrus Manus.

[@rickjames9524]

They fked up with allowing demons on the webway...it was supposed to be pre Eldar tech that the old ones used to bypass chaos and demons in the first place to travel without the warp.

[@tneal89]

It takes a lion to slay a beast.

[@Scythwolf]

I'd go with Lion when I look at the fabric of how to write novels. You need contrasts meeting each other. Angrons anger and beastlike nature meetin Lion El Johnsons finesse, technique and coolness... that is what stories are made of

[@80aj21]

I think Vulcan would be perfect for this fight story-wise. just fight after fight wearing down Angron, death by all the shots Vulcan gets in over a dozen fights that Angron wins. the inevitability of his defeat that they both understand, that Angron just cant brute force this victory, and no matter how much of Vulcans blood he spills he can never really 'win. that would drive him insanely mad. I just think it would be the best story-wise IMO.

[@spottedslash4256]

It happened to a certain one eyed Primarch.

[@chrisrodgers855]

When you said Corax I heard in my heart “ and this was what I was made to do and joy sang Through my veins!”

[@helliswaiting4730]

For Russ!! I'm waiting the day that wolf king returns. I think khan,lion and russ are the promachs that could handle angron. But russ is the brawler for reason he is a emperor executioner. Russ is a monster in 1 on 1 no doubt. Russ waits for us in wolf time!!!!

[@timvanroey6641]

But, angron did beath him 1v1.maybe when russ has his wolves at his side, but not alond

[@helliswaiting4730]

@@timvanroey6641 beat him? Dude read it again and doo reading. Russ let him win to show him that strategic thinking gives victory. Even lorgar told angron that russ let him win to show angron's mistake. But angron was to proud and angry to see it

[@helliswaiting4730]

Event is caled night of the wolf. Wolf lord rho has a video about it even ;)

[@timvanroey6641]

@@helliswaiting4730 yeah everyone says it's too teach angron a lesson. But i find that untrue. We are talking about russ. He doesn't teach lessons. Certainly not on prospero. He only hesitated with horus because he liked horus. He would all to gladly kill angron. The legion won but russ got beaten in a 1v1

[@helliswaiting4730]

@@timvanroey6641 heresy i say! :D Book Wolfsbane shows That Leman feels like older brother so yea leman giving lesions is true ;)

[@bullbegger2281]

I do disagree about your evaluation on Dorn and especially his fight with Fulgrim. Dorn’s calm and focus are good attributes for fighting single minded rage. Just like his calculating side let him out play Alpharius and his focused approach allowed him to carve Fulgrim up. His fight with Fulgrim clearly showed both Primarchs giving it their all and Dorn still tore him apart but most importantly even though Fulgrim ran off part of that reason he made very clear that Dorn had caused him a tremendous amount of pain and was unwilling to suffer anymore, so for someone like Fulgrim (especially being a daemon prince now) to admit that is quite a big thing so his loss to Dorn very much counts. Also Dorn didn’t need to almost die to soundly beat Fulgrim

[@Exav2]

I think the Lion would be the best bet, simply because he's the best fighter in the list as well as the best tactician to engage in the larger field. Some say a great offence is a great defence. Not to mention that he's literally the one Primarch with the most demon slaying experience (besides russ after coming back from the eye) since he's been killing giant chaos beasts since birth.

[@ispepsi9393]

After I learned about Angron backstory and way before Angron get nail to his head is probably the most wholesome he care for his slave brother, honorable and even sad when he killed his slave brother while he wasn't in control, yes he fail to conquer the world. But at least he has a good reason for betrayed the emperor

[@mharri9008]

GW really just doesn’t want to give Slaanesh any love do they. Really want to avoid those more lewd themes to try and get that mythical wider audience. Shame. I was really hoping Fulgrim was the next traitor Primarch to come back.

[@guruvedra]

Ian Watson greatest Slaanesh adept.

[@Zinkhar]

That's not really true, they just had a huge release in AoS. I know it's not 40k but GW definitely doesn't hate them.

[@BC_Time]

It would be fun to see Corax return and the Imperium just being like wtf seeing his new warp embraced self

[@ClovenOnes]

None of the loyalist primarchs would beat angron in a fight by themselves

[@aazreaal]

Thanks, Erebus. I'm sure you have no biases whatsoever.

[@ClovenOnes]

@@aazreaal In this instance no

[@joshw9277]

the real question is is what is Leman russ now, look at what 10,000 years did to corax, and you have to wonder what leman has turned into now.

[@jonaski08]

I think the Lion is the best candidate to beat Angron because of how he can revert back to his savage mode aside from being an unrivalled duelist. He spent most of his childhood killing warp infused beasts. Combine that with a mind of a tactician he can definitely best Angron.

[@Va11idus]

He brawled with Russ, a known brawler, and came out on top. Definitely not afraid to play dirty. The Lion is my pick too.

[@euanmacleod3738]

In terms of winning a straight up fight, I agree with your ordering here. But in terms of just speaking generally which Primarch could be charged to go out and end the Angron threat, I'm leaning more to the Wolf or the Lion to achieve that goal. I might edge it to the Lion, just on account of his greater understanding of the weaknesses of warp-kind, and his batman-like approach of having plans within plans that work out in his favour - which all matches well with Angron's fatal flaw of behaving more like a beast than a strategist in his current state.

[@domc9801]

Doesn’t Vulkan destroy demon elevated Magnus and force him back, not holding back either.

[@jesperdenbraven1995]

An angle i think you missed on Dorn is that he in some way tends to calm the warp around him, acting as a minor psychic null. And it might weaken the demon empowerement on angron

[@MacA60230]

The question should be "who COULDN'T stop Angron" really. Dude is a walking failure

[@worldeater2414]

😑

[@dogalrorn]

Preach it, brother.

[@Cornerboy73]

I'd rather fight Angron than a pissed off Lion, especially once he slips into his Drizzt Do'Urden-like Hunter mode.

[@shanepatrick4534]

The Big E should have spaced Angron or left him to bite it with his gladiator buddies.

[@leandrobravo3319]

"or left him to bite it with his gladiator buddies" What was all Angron wanted, so yes...

[@LeónSantiaguino]

Agreed by almost all fans exept khorne lovers & world eaters

[@kevinhadap6463]

Could you imagine if Angron somehow got restored by the Emperor to revert to a pre-Butcher's Nails state? I think his meeting with the Emperor was the only one where pity may have been apparent. I think it would be pretty neat to see a turned Angron w/ empathic abilities joining the fight for good in a sudden but inevitable betrayal.

[@henryviiifake8244]

Emperor: > Single most powerful psyker in the galaxy(?) > Can't deal with Butcher's Nails Xenotech. 🤔 > Couldn't even be bothered to even help Angron's gladiator friends. 🤔

[@leandrobravo3319]

@@kevinhadap6463 I can't see pity in this. Even if, just for a moment, I consider, that the Emperor acted out of something akin to love - to me a stretch as far as idk, Ork-University - this feels like the egoistical kind of love as in "I love you soooooo much, I will ignore your autonomy and make you suffer even longer!". I know the nails overwrite the "normal" human emotions, but from some sorte the wish of dying with the other slaves must have sprung, and he did not totaly feel like a suicidal guy. If he just wanted to fight, the cruisade offert plenty.

[@Lowlyking2001]

This aged well. It's always fun to go back to older lore videos on speculation.

[@justonhelf7513]

Im confused about Dorn defeating Fulgrim if anyone has an answer.. i thought fulgrim had ascended to daemonhood prior to the siege of terra?? I would put Dorn in the running for sure, because he would be one of the only primarchs to defeat two others in a straight up duel demon or not.

[@bullbegger2281]

Yup he was A daemon prince he just used his human form when facing Dorn not only that that but something that is hardly mentioned is that part of the reason Fulgrim fled the fight after being beaten by Dorn is that he admits Dorn caused him a great deal of pain and he didn’t want anymore, for a daemon prince of Slanesh to admit that is a pretty big thing imo

[@chris_2413]

I’d say your choice is very valid but the wolf king and jag have been in the warp for ages. Who says they haven’t adapted and awakened new powers

[@Emidretrauqe]

I don't want anyone to be able to stop him. Rather, I want him to go out in a blaze of glory somewhere. Hive Fleet Leviathan, or maybe if you want the Imperial victory, have them blow up something important to stop Angron, like the Phalanx.

[@rickjames9524]

Hey... You are unto something right there!!! Why not use a bunch of chaos symbols n shit of his legion and make him be summoned on the greatest leviathan fleet along with his legion and demons...we do know a lot of inquisitors can summon major demons (Eisenhorn i c u)

[@phan]

Glad to see Corax getting the respect he deserves, with his definitely-not-daemon form and mocking attitude he seems like the absolute best match up with the ability to enrage him and the speed to avoid his strikes. Important to mention that the Lion is used to fighting monsters and the Emperor shows that a perpetual's ability is very much fallible.

[@captainpuffinpuffinson4769]

As much as it pains me to say so, the wolf king (or Odin-force charged Russ) is not the best option The best option is first of all *the Lion* he is the must measured with his -chough- legion -chough- chapter...s are the best answer to the berserk rage of the skull takers The second best is the Warhawk Jackati khan, the speed Vs the brutal, the finesse Vs the mad... and it will also be the best way to insult Morti as well Third best would be Vulkan, fire and loyalty Vs slaughter, but he is more reserved in my head for the Octarius setting Next is Corvus corex, but he will show up only when Lorgar we finally stops cowering in his shell in the warp

[@boxy2k8]

If anybody could do it, the Lion would. To slay a monster, you require a monster slayer.

[@joaolucasnascimentoleite2831]

Its gonna be either Leman Russ or the Lion . Guiliman could at least hold his own against him for a while but beat him i think not.

[@kealunleday3948]

I agree

[@NANA-lq5md]

Agreed

[@LeónSantiaguino]

Agreed too, the Crow is reserved for lorgar, dorn & guilliman doesnt have what it takes, so that leaves the Lion & the wolf, wich by the way how cool would it be for both of them making a team up against an inmensily juiced up Angron and his 12 bloodthirsters honorguard.

[@meivvmm8009]

Agreed x4 jaja

[@attemptedunkindness3632]

I am a huge fan of Corax, but even Corax was like "Angron will fuckin kill me if I fight him." I mean, he was a wee bit suicidal when Corax was thinking that, but still-- he was acknowledging his own capabilities there.

[@elric7371]

No other Primarch can beat Angron is a straight 1v1. Its stated in lore many times and by feats and Primarchs own statements. The only way to beat him is using tactics like Perturabo did.

[@Skathrex]

Thank you! I was beginning to go crazy. Angron was one of the best in 1v1 before he was a Daemon

[@notjasonbrynn]

A cloned primarch angron without the butcher's nails could stop the deamon prince angron

[@cjh.1920]

The Lion duuuh

[@barthes17]

I was suprised at the end. I figure Russ would be my first. Dead ass though makes a bit of sense. Disagree with corax, but fair.

[@seanmuraski6101]

THE LION! ONLY THE LION!!!

[@Hanibaltherogue]

Well the Lion has returned and we shall see! 😉

[@kealunleday3948]

Its gonna come down to either leman or the lion. Russ can match the savagery and strength. The lion would outclass angron in sheer skill and would not hesitate to end him. Remember both grew in monster lands and killed beast with bare hands

[@josephvanhaverbeke1448]

Could Russ really match him in strength? I’m Honestly asking I’m fairly new.

[@LeónSantiaguino]

@@josephvanhaverbeke1448 not in strenght but the wolf has cunning wich most not see, angron didnt see it when they fought last time.

[@psychedashell]

Russ’ strength is a match for anything, problem is Russ is a bit of a choke artist when it comes to his brothers. Seven definitely dead Primarchs and The Executioner’s confirmed kill count is zero.

[@rankcolour8780]

@@josephvanhaverbeke1448 Hard to say, possible that like Corax he's been mooching around in the warp for thousands of years and has gained similar warp-crack dust powers.

[@henryviiifake8244]

Russ should be able to now that Demonhood has robbed Angron of his natural fighting instincts. Previously, Angron put Russ on the ground in their 1v1. As a demon, Angron got clapped by Perturabo with tactics and range. I think Lion El Johnson, Conrad Kurze (if he was alive) and rage-mode Vulcan would also put up a very good fight.

[@a.gravemistake3061]

The Lion could if his ass got up

[@TheGammabomb06]

Also Im not a Russ or wolf fan at all, but he wasnt fighting 'gron to the death, he was trying to prove a point. Not saying it would have gone down differently, but you have to take that into consideration, too.

[@psychedashell]

Not much hope when you’re The Executioner and in spite of at least seven of your brothers being dead you have a confirmed kill count of zero.

[@henryviiifake8244]

Given that Angron decided _not_ to kill Russ when he had the chance, it doesn't seem fair to imply that *he* intended for a fight to the death either.

[@psychedashell]

@@henryviiifake8244 That was a rare display of logic from Angron, the Wolves having him at gunpoint might have momentarily hit the mark by making him think of his butchered gladiator brothers - in the long run, it didn't help matters, beyond the odd moment of clarity Angron was a pretty lost cause with those nails. But just to complicate the timeline in Wolfspear Russ named the brothers he doesn't think he could beat just before he took off to fight Chaos blessed Horus which is well after his fight with Angron and Angron's name didn’t make the cut, Angron was actually named and given a reason for falling short.

[@jordank3203]

im with you on Corax in the 2nd dawn of fire book a iron warrior is having a flash back to istvan and its talking about Corax going berserk across the battle field out of grief and anger for his sons and he is straight up ripping tanks and traitor marines in half

[@sircashew1097]

I would say that while Russ would be a close second, the Lion would not only be the best to go toe to toe against Angron, but he would win.

[@johnymilton5282]

I think the Lion would be a good bet, along with The Wolf King and Vulkan. However I thing Corax would be on top of that list, considering how he handled himself on Istvaan 5 is enough proof he could slay Angron...yeah as I type this I have convinced myself Corax.

[@markrtoffeeman]

The Lion. Lion El Johnson would take down Angron. Would love to see the Lion El Johnson and Gulliman fighting back to back.

[@Born-Bitter]

Love the analysis. Well done.

[@mtymus]

A RailGun! 🤣

[@cogline9]

Another interesting variable that we don't really have a way of calculating here is what, if any, changes have the missing loyalist Primarchs gone through in their time away. Have then acquired new strengths/powers like Corax? Will they return weaker or stronger when they left, or even damaged like Guilliman was, at least while the armor of Fate helped him knit back together. It should be quite interesting to see how these questions are answered.

[@silversurfer8818]

In the titanic battle between Guilliman and Angron, the avenging son manages to rip out the butchers nails from the red angels skull - as he does it, Guillimans eyes turns into gold, with the intensity of a burning star. ´Twelve...´ ´Slave...´ ´Angron...´ ´My son...you have been lost to me...but no more´ Guilliman lifts his arm, resting his palm on the defeated primarchs head and a blinding light engulfs both of them - as the demon presence is excised, the wounded body of Angron is restored. ´As you should have been, a loyal Primarch, reborn´

[@dkantherest]

Lol no. Guilliman dead again

[@henryviiifake8244]

Angron was besting Guilliman while on the verge of death due to the Butcher's Nails and on the wrong side of sanity _before_ he was turned into a demon. Sorry, but if it's a 1v1, I just don't buy it.

[@waynehaygood3122]

Dorn the flip side of Perturabo!!!$$$+++

[@GaIvatr0n]

Lion would absolutely batter him as the true warmaster and 1st made of all Primarchs. Vulkan would smash him to pieces too just like the elevated orks he's faced down.