What About Dina in TLOU3?

In my recent pitch for how I would approach The Last of Us Part III if I was writing for Naughty Dog, ( • How Ellie and Abby wil... ) many of you were very vocal that my story treatment that I did not touch on Dina. In this video, I go into my thoughts on her place in the future of Ellie's story.
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Second song: All Gone ( No Escape)
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[@rosaparksabaddie]

That baby dancing was something else

[@bigotsandwich]

" was something else" lmao

[@WolfofThorns]

Indeed. Katarina is amazing. Go check her out on Twitter if you haven't already @AbbyStanAccount

[@GOD-nx1yo]

Cursed

[@aloyperez2059]

@@GOD-nx1yo blursed*

[@triitree]

Fr, I was getting all serious watching this video then the baby just.... 😗🤭😂

[@major4211]

I always felt like Dina was more of a forgiving type than Ellie. I liked that contrast between them. Dina puts her pain aside to take care of others and Ellie becomes consumed by her pain. This makes Ellie a pretty lousy partner but I believe she has realized that her self-destructive behavior has done irreparable damage to her relationships. I wouldn’t blame Dina for not taking Ellie back but I still hope to see it. At the very least, I’d like for them to receive some sort of closure for how things ended. I think a scene with Dina giving Ellie her blessing to go seek a cure would be powerful when comparing it to her pleading for Ellie to stay during the kitchen scene. It supports her understanding and selfless attitude that has already been established. Anyway, great video my guy! Subscribed.

[@s.b6688]

You’re living in fantasy sorry.

[@iteezwhatiteez6706]

i love this

[@bobbyshewan4229]

@@s.b6688 I was gonna clown you, but you kinda have a point. It’s hard to follow up Part 2 with anything. Ellie’s story is pretty much told here.

[@alesejimenez4761]

@@bobbyshewan4229 NOT CLOWN HER LMAOO

[@nietts]

@@bm-in4lm we know she lost her sister though, there are a few lines that mention it. She says she would do the same when they come across the first set of bodies that Tommy interrogated and killed. But the further implication is that she *didn't* do the same, she lived with and let go of her anger which is something Ellie just couldn't do

[@marcelack2953]

I may think Ellie was already in Jackson and met Dina who told her that Joels guitare is still in the farmhouse so she went there looking for it. Resons why: 1. She has Dinas bracelette again 2. Her fingers got patched up by a medic and the biting wound when she got bit in Santa Barbara isnt visible 3. Ellie has no guns 4. she doesnt even expect Dina and JJ to be there (just a tougth ofcourse)

[@MillanSingh]

I didn't think about it like that, and that's a great point!

[@WolfofThorns]

Damn, Marcel. I think you hit the nail on the head. What we are seeing is just her going there to hold the guitar one last time, before leaving everything behind.

[@ahmadmcclung5273]

Sorry I just don't buy that theory. 1. Just because Ellie has Dina's bracelet doesn't mean she met up with Dina. Ellie probably had Dina's bracelet with her the entire time but chose not to wear it. I know that some people like to point out that she wasn't wearing it in Santa Barbara and you don't see it in her backpack, but those can also be broken down too. Of course Ellie wasn't wearing the bracelet in Santa Barbara because she was on a suicide mission. While you don't see the bracelet in her backpack she probably had it in there but chose not to focus on it. For example, Ellie leaves the farmhouse wearing Joel's jacket, but we don't see her wearing it in Santa Barbara or in her backpack. Are we to assume that Ellie would just discard Joel's jacket because we don't see it in Santa Barbara or the epilogue? 2. I don't know why people keep bringing this up but Ellie didn't need to go back to Jackson to treat her injuries, she probably took care of it herself. For example, Ellie treated Joel injuries in the first game after the university chapter, she most likely helped treat her own injuries, Dina's injuries and Tommy's injuries after the theater fight with Abby and she even treated her own injury by herself after her first encounter with the Rattlers. Plus, it would've taken her months to get back from Santa Barbara to Jackson that is too long go without treating her injuries. 3. Ellie doesn't need her guns shown in this section because this is the epilogue and there is no combat section. 4. While she didn't expect to see Dina and JJ at the farmhouse, she still hoped they be there due to fact she was nervous before she approached the farmhouse.

[@marcelack2953]

@@ahmadmcclung5273 yea ik just a guess of mine xD And eventhough its no combat section its still weird that she has no guns. Cause at the Museum Flashback lil' Ellie had her gun too, but there where no enemies. Ofcourse naugthy could've made that feature at the museum for us to be a bit scared or smth like that but that isnt my point xD. Anyway thx for cool explenations why it couldnt be :)

[@pulpficti]

@@ahmadmcclung5273 I totally agree. It's imho a cop out happy ending for the people who want/need one.

[@DeadShot1307]

I think that was the problem as to why so many people disliked part 2. They were living in a fantasy, and whilst Part 1 only showed us to some scale just how dark the world was, Part 2 made sure we lived it.

[@fourthpanda]

I liked Part 2 because it was a fantasy. Ain't nothing wrong about that. I was still dragged deep into the fantasy regardless.

[@Salieri01]

DeadShot1307 You know shit mate

[@EOtekk]

People hated part 2 only because Joel was killed off and they forced you to play half the game in the perspective of Joel's killer. When you sit back and actually pay attention to the characters, Abby is the most level headed, mature, compassionate, and reasonable out of them all. Her primary objective was to find Joel and kill him, that is all, and in the end that's all she did. She spared Ellie's life multiple times because she did not have any intentions causing of collateral damage. Ellie on the other hand went on a psychopathic revenge mission to blindly mow down every last person who was even remotely involved in Joel's murder. She killed indiscriminately and just didn't care about who got caught in the mix. Even after losing everyone and everything, Abby STILL spared Ellie's life on the theatre stage, and despite that display of mercy, Ellie just could not find peace and continued to hunt Abby down. Abby is far from the villain in this game, and I wish the community would put emotional attachments aside and recognize that fact. Ellie is the true piece of shit, and Joel was no saint either.

[@will-u-stop3957]

@@EOtekk This is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

[@urmominc904]

@@will-u-stop3957 It really isn’t. The pacing is just absolute shit and the story is littered with mistakes. I really wish the fandom would stop generalizing all the criticism against the game as “Joel died Game bad”, instead of what it actually is. You can like a game and still acknowledge its faults.

[@Kiddo_williams]

Sad Ellie said she didn’t wanna lose Dina after she was talking about torturing Nora and ended up doing exactly that.

[@user-dg7iz5cy4k]

At least she didn’t die. My heart skipped a beat when she was gonna...……you know

[@Lucasssssssss_]

@@user-dg7iz5cy4k A L O N E

[@slowmotionmarco]

If the writers at Naughty Dog decide for Part III that Ellie is on her own now (doesn't go back to Jackson at the end of Part II) the story would start VERY GRIM with Ellie being at rock-bottom (people either died or left her). If the writers decide for Part III that Ellie and Dina have a reunion in Jackson (theory about the bracelet shown before she enters the farmhouse again) there would be at least some kind of silver lining after the events in Seattle and Santa Barbara and a little bit of 'going back to normal' (living in a community and raising a child). Now we have to wait and see. Maybe, this HBO TV series (I don't know when its published) will be a good starting point for the writers to collect ideas on how they will continue with Part III.

[@slowmotionmarco]

@@dewaalvandercolff251 This is what makes this game so interesting: There is no clear ending and every viewer/gamer can interpret it in his/her own way. At least, until Naughty Dog reveals it (in a couple of years?). By the way: I just read that TLoU 2 is nominated in 10 categories at the 'Game Awards 2020', including Game of the Year!!! Well-deserved!

[@XoThanaleeoX]

@@slowmotionmarco I honestly think it’ll be a good start for Ellie from now on as she can do anything about her life and immunity without being influenced by Joel anymore. She also seemed to have moved on from losing those people and ready for a new chapter in life. I just hope she could find someone to fulfill her like how Abby found Lev and Joel found her.

[@mizee6917]

Ellie's worst fear was ending up alone and look what happened now she's in griefing pain and alone

[@WolfofThorns]

A keen observation.

[@Meggsie]

Which is why I think TLOU 3 may answer that question, will she die alone?

[@gamemakerdude]

@Marion brazell It seems the production for the show's premiere will end next year, so we're likely to find out then. But the ending of the first game also left me wanting more. The look on Ellie's face when she said "Ok..." at the end clearly shows she didn't believe Joel's lie but wasn't entirely sure. Part 2 ending on what I would consider an even bigger cliffhanger might indicate huge potential for a Part 3.

[@stitchlover4381]

as long as they don't KILL her in part 3. Not that I'm like those people who hated part 2 just because Joel died but because this IS The Last Of Us ANYTHING can happen.

[@umbrellaguy6934]

People didn't like last of us 2 because of joel death

[@Devilking-se5uf]

I agree with steve

[@stitchlover4381]

@@umbrellaguy6934 yeah I know

[@sgtmian]

i really hope they don’t do that. i know this is a world of loss and ellie has had her fair share, but i feel like that would just be too much. plus i wouldn’t want them to tell the story of the second game again. my hope is, if a third game happens, that it’s a little more hopeful. that ellie can get to have the kind of redemption joel and abby got. that she finds the meaning she’s been searching for for so long.

[@MOSH-PIT]

@@umbrellaguy6934 I agree with Steve

[@apexalex7240]

“Actions have consequences, and those consequences can be devastating.” If only more went into playing TLOU2 with that mindset.

[@DinosaurNick]

I enjoyed it

[@BennTenn100]

I thought I would hate it because I let myself be blinded by the masses. Turns out I really love the game.

[@apexalex7240]

@@BennTenn100 glad to hear you enjoyed it

[@JohnGatsbyThe3rd]

@@BennTenn100 same

[@hra_Najimi99]

I've played a game kinda like that last year and really enjoyed it, and it's World's End Club. Except it's concept involved a group of kids from a fate game to a trip back home to Tokyo. *Game spoilers, one of the plot twist involves one of the characters, Pochi, secretly works with the main antagonist, MAIK, then got shunned by his friends when they find out. Later when they got back home, but they're about to be captured by MAIK's minions but Pochi saved them and got taken away by MAIK's minions and then they later saved Pochi and they forgive him and consider him a friend. (Sorry if it's a long comment.😓)

[@ginagidaro]

I totally agree. What is so special about The Last of Us is its brutal honesty of the world.

[@bilong92]

I loved seeing Ellie and Dina together but I feel like a lot of Dina/Ellie fans see Dina as this prize for Ellie to win back after one apology and not like a real human woman who has a baby to raise and a life to get on with and heal the way she needs to. I'd definitely want to see her in TLOU3 but I don't expect them to work it out straight away, if at all. I ship Ellie with her own self and her own redemption for sure - and maybe platonically ship with Abby and them having an honest conversation and striking some unlikely friendship/understanding in working together. I also imagine some TLOU4 where like 20 years into the future JJ and Lev team up in the game and work together but that might be a bit out there haha.

[@d_hadley]

YES!!! I really loved Dina but I didn’t really like how she was just a prop in Ellie’s life. Like personally it only felt like she was there to comfort Ellie and that’s it. I just wished she wasn’t so manic pixie dream girl ish.

[@bilong92]

@@d_hadley I'm not sure if I'd call her a total manic pixie dream girl (i.e. she definitely has hopes and dreams and interests outside of Ellie) but she was definitely leaning in that direction, probably because there just wasn't enough time to fully explore her character. Which is why I think the ending of seeing Dina gone, the empty farm house, and her having stuffed Ellie's things away in that one room was powerful because it showed Dina having agency and showed the impact of Ellie's decisions.

[@havenspringer]

Or make part 3 a prequel split into 3 chronicles that last for hours the shortest being a complete story arc focusing on Ellie before during and after tlou1 including the american dreams comic being adapted into the videogames, reusing content from the left behind dlc with riley and the parts where you play as her in part 1 and witnessing what happens between when Ellie kills david to when joel and Ellie reach the hospital in salt lake city, seeing what happens to riley, see what happens during the last 3 weeks before Ellie meets joel in her perspective along with Marlene's. The 2nd would focus on joel and tommy over the past 20 years between the prologue to the main game, and the last would focus on Marlene and Ellie's mom perspective on the first years of the post apocalyptic world created by the cordyceps brain infection and before Ellie was born and Marlene carrying on with being the leader of the fireflies after the death of Ellie's mom, and how the fireflies came to be in the first place

[@d_hadley]

@@bilong92 you’re correct, it hurt to see that but it was powerful to see Dina do that. I would really love to see Dina developed more but to be honest to me it would seem like they would be dragging this story on longer than it had to be. TLOU and TLOU2 in my opinion are both really strong titles and expanding the story more would seem weird.

[@sgtmian]

@@d_hadley between the two of them or just in general? because i still think there’s story there, especially around ellie’s immunity. though if they found it hard to expand on that and make a great story out of it i’d rather they leave it alone.

[@dorkangel1076]

I loved Dina too and was really worried she was going to die in part 2. It was interesting to see the difference between her and Jesse though. Dina never really stands up to Ellie and goes along with whatever she does while Jesse is willing to say no and do what he thinks is right. It's only at the farm when she finally stands up to Ellie and Ellie leaves her anyway. That was heartbreaking. Would she forgive Ellie? Possibly. The only other time Ellie really hurt her was at the Theatre when she called her a burden, but she was quick to forgive that. However she has JJ now and she has changed. The farm being empty makes sense. Dina's dream was to live in a farm outside of Jackson and later when Ellie asks her wouldn't it be lonely she replied not if you're with someone. Left on her own at the farm to care for a baby alone, going back to Jackson is her only choice and she loves Jesse's parents. It's unclear how long Ellie was gone for but I reckon it would be at least several months for her to travel to Santa Barbara and back again. Regarding reconciliation, Ellie's journal entries show she has doubts about what she was doing on the journey there and afterwards was struggling with feeling worthy enough to go back to Dina and JJ given what she's done. I would definitely be interested to see whats happened with Dina and JJ.

[@user-te2kk2nt4q]

I think even if things wouldn't work out between them in the end it would be extremely important for Ellie to try. And the fact that she does return to the farm is a huge statement in itself.

[@dorkangel1076]

@@user-te2kk2nt4q Agree

[@dorkangel1076]

@loa koa Nope

[@user-te2kk2nt4q]

There are two things that are mostly overlooked in these discussions. Dina's "I'm not doing this again" could also refer to her inability do deal with mental issues of a loved person again. Her sister had PTSD too and was deteriorating mentally until she got killed under unclear circumstances. Dina's decision to walk away is one of self-protection mostly. She still loves Ellie but can't face the consequences of losing someone she loves again when she has JJ to take care of. It's basically the only thing she can do. Secondly I think Ellie going to California is generally viewed as a mistake but is it really? Because we can of course say she should have stayed but what would be the consequences of that? Ellie herself thinks she has no other option but it isn't about revenge anymore. She doesn't go there to kill Abby in revenge but rather bets everything on a last try to confront the source of her trauma in some hope of katharsis. Because the only other option is eventually suicide for her and that is not something Ellie wants to do to Dina. She actually references this in her journal during Day : "I would rather die alone than let her see me like that." Ellie leaving is her gaining some agency again and her also her way of trying to protect Dina and JJ from herself since she is very much afraid that she might hurt them by accident. And then there is the outcome of the journey. Not only does she actually save Abby and Lev from certain death but she also frees the slaves brining down the Rattlers in the process. You could actually see it as the start of her redemption. Because of that I find the notion that Ellie and Dina reconciling would go against the themes of the game not very convincing. It would only make sense if Ellie was going to California for getting revenge and that's clearly not the case. I'm also very sure that if we get a Part III it won't be about a vaccine at all. That was never the point of TLOU and a new game would be about Ellie finally finding her place in life.

[@clemssss]

I like your take. It's interesting.

[@EOtekk]

Part 3 definitely won't be vaccine related. That is confirmed by the tape recorder found in the Hospital. They described Doctor Anderson as being the last person in existence to be able to develop a vaccine. Obviously, he is now dead. If a part 3 did end up happening, I think a very interesting story would involve Abby finding the new Fireflies, but they ended up being some kind of extremist group that goes rogue or something. Obviously Abby can't go back to the WLF after defecting, so she travel back up north to try and take shelter in Jackson and explains to everyone that the Fireflies have become extremely dangerous and are attempting to overthrow and take over all independent camps around the country. Ellie gets involved one way or another as a form of doing something for the greater good to finally clear her mind. Although, If I were honest, I think the chances of a part 3 coming out is very unlikely. These games take 5+ years to produce and the TV show is right around the corner. I think any expansions of the story is going to be carried out in the series. Fitting a game in there just won't work. They will clash and interfere with each other. The only way to make it work is if the TV show follows a completely different universe and storyline that is apart from the games, but I doubt fans will be up for that. Plus the producers already revealed that the first season will encompass the events of the first game, which means season 2 would have to follow the contents of the second game, in turn making season 3 the first viable extension point of the story past TLOU2. However, there is still a ton of lost time we never been exposed to. Joel has an entire 20 years unaccounted for.

[@chickenstrips3247]

I agree with your thinking and I hope that we will get a part 3

[@cookieezz8127]

I totally agree i interpreted the end pretty much exactly the way you did. I think ellie went to California mostly for herself (but not entirely). I think this decision also kind of parallels when Joel and Ellie talked the night after the dance and Joel said "if somehow the lord gave me a second chance, I would do it all over again." Saving Ellie at the end of part 1 can totally be seen as a mistake, it cost him his life, potentially majorly affected other people's lives (people who could have benefitted from a vaccine, assuming it was even possible to be made), totally affected the fireflies who worked relentlessly on finding a cure, and pretty much destroyed his relationship with Ellie. He undoubtedly made a selfish decision by saving Ellie. Yet he doesn't regret it. Similarly to how Ellie choosing to leave her family for Abby in California was selfish. And yet she found a sense of closure and it opened up a pathway for healing. In the end Ellie going to California was for the best in my opinion. It's not a happy ending, but that's just the way life is sometimes. This game is brutally honest about that. Even though the majority of the audience hoped for a happy ending, The Last Of Us is a story that isn't ours to tell. And I'm okay with that. Personally I loved the game and think it's a masterpiece even with it's flaws! I thoroughly enjoyed the unforgettable experience this game brought me and I forever will. :)

[@thijsvisser3122]

There was a letter on the kitchen table and that letter was from jesse’s parents the letter said that Ellie Dina and jj always are welcome to come life with them in Jackson. And when Ellie came to the farm house she didn’t wear a backpack witch she had all game, witch makes me believe (or maybe hope) she only came back for the guitar she got from Joel. And Dina is waiting back home in Jackson with jj and jesse’s parents.

[@WolfofThorns]

Oooh, interesting. Thank you for sharing this! I'll have to look for this letter. 🤠

[@evitzina2271]

Omg really !?

[@Jettxs]

Can we ALL just link this mans TLOU content to NaughtyDog? Because hey call me crazy, but I think they can draw some heavy inspiration from this guy. This guy gets it.

[@PLUX4]

That would be great, bit Neil Druckmann will turn his ideas into mush and do something else.

[@bloopblipable]

From a writers perspective, I think you're right. Ellie losing Dina might exactly be the motivation she needs to do something proactive with the Fireflies. So many people criticize this game because its lack of "happy endings", I LOVE and much prefer the realism it has.

[@WolfofThorns]

Thank you, bloopblipable!

[@Void_from_Abyss]

Same

[@pancakespancake4916]

Man I just want ellie to be happy, she deserves it so bad

[@cementfists]

I believe that ellies PTSD stopped her from killing abby, she has the gun in her hand but has a flashback, if you had stage 3 PTSD or did research on it, you would realize it basically makes you bipolar, paranoid, and depressed. Logically theres no good ending of tlou2

[@Meggsie]

I just finished it for the first time. I think Ellie had lost her ability to visualize Joel's face because the image of his beaten face had replaced it and haunted her. You can tell by the way she tries to draw his face in her journal with the eyes crossed out. Eventually she gives up and draws the moth symbol on Joel's guitar to represent him to her. I think in that moment when she had almost killed Abby, she did get a flashback but it was of Joel when he was still alive. While painful, gave her just enough peace to let Abby go not in just that moment but forever.

[@glyle2504]

I honestly think instead of Abby, Dina should be a huge part of TLOU3. She literally only got 10ish hours in the first game-she deserves more.

[@the_last_one9875]

Fr

[@MeggyMoVlogger]

This is the only game that hurts everytime I came across it. Makes sense that she might not open doors for Ellie. That was a good analysis of Dina and Ellie's relationship.😭 Sad but true

[@KennethLane90]

The Walking Dead by TellTale will have you feeling the same way

[@NeaguIoana]

Guys, please notice how Ellie doesn't have the guns with her in the last scene at the house. It is another fast forward to some time after she returned to Jackson. Her wounds healed and she is wearing Dina's bracelet again, so it is implied they talked it out and they decided to leave the farm. All of the stuff that remained are the things that used to remind Ellie of Joel. The symbolism of that might be that she finally let go of the bad feelings and she is no longer haunted by this unnecessary duty she thought she had. She came back one last time to play the guitar in the memory of Joel so she can finally move on with her life. She probably found another reason for her to live and that is Dina and JJ. A big theme of the game is family after all, be it by blood or just found by forming a strong bond - which is also why Ellie didn't care that JJ is not her kid. She loves Dina and JJ all the same and she loved Jessie too as a friend. Ellie spent a few months getting to Santa Barbara. If you pay attention to the notes and the dialogue, it was said that Abby spent a few months in captivity. She had long hair before she was taken by the Rattled gang and in that time, she got skinnier and her hair was cut. Dina was a big supporter of Ellie, but she was fed up with this quest of revenge Ellie kept on going for. The same goes for Owen with Abby. It was a parallel between those two main characters and their loved ones. Once again, it is hinted the theme of family and the importance of it beyond anything else. There is so much more to be said, but it is better for people to play and explore for themselves in order to understand better. If you found out something new by reading this, it means my job is done here. Always look for the depth and the meaning behind everything and keep your eyes open for the signs. Stay safe out there, fellas! Peace and love!

[@user-cs6fr9dj4v]

You really spoke my heart out

[@fireforce1954]

It is one of those rare special moments when you realise that KZbin has actually recommended you a truly great channel. Keep the good work up man!

[@WolfofThorns]

Aw, thank you Fire Force! That means a lot to me 🤠

[@ArmaTomicx]

I wanna see more Ellie and Dina in the last of us part 3

[@kevinthunder3375]

​@whiteslavicsl4v352yes, me too. But I still want her and Ellie in TLOU3

[@lumxty]

It would definitely be bitter sweet to not see Dina in the main plot of TLOU 3 but i really like your ideas about it and i do think that just cause Ellie came back Dina shouldn’t run back to her because Dina is her own person and she is a single mother because of Ellie. I feel like in a perfect world Ellie would stay and Jackson and her and Dina would slowly fall back into love but the world of TLOU isn’t a perfect world as much as it hurts to admit it. I really like the way you explained it. Definitely worth the two day wait.

[@youtube-kit9450]

Even if both people's feelings stayed the same, I don't think in good conscience that I'd want them to get back together in tlou 3 canon unless the entire plot was just about that, two people tramuatized and lost patching up their shattered relationship. Patch it up amicably? Sure. Have a heartfelt goodbye? Yes. Dina crying over Ellie leaving, knowing she did the right thing by protecting herself and JJ from the violent world Ellie would have meant? Oh yes, gimmie some of dat drama. But flashbacks to give closure are needed.

[@agris9074]

I loved when Dina left the farm because not only she was mad at Ellie she had a real reason to leave. She didn't know if she was going to have the same fate as Joel or the person that was going to hunter her down was as nice as Abby and will only kill her. What Dina was thinking in her head was, "I followed her on this warpath they could be hunting me down and will kill my baby. I won't let Ellie risk me and my son's life for revenge." And not only that they just suffered in a beatdown by Abby which put all of them on the verge of death so she lost all her bloodlust.

[@charlottefrantzen4579]

As a member of the LGBTQ community Dina and Ellie’s relationship and the way these games tackled Ellie’s sexuality was so meaningful. There’s always been some form of representation in film and TV but as a gamer I’ve never seen any meaningful representation in a story-driven game like this since Life is Strange. It’s a weird comparison, but they’re both games that just meant so much to me. I do really love this game and I think it went the right direction, but in a fantasy world I just want to see one of these couples that mean so much to me end up happy at the end of the story. What I would’ve loved to see is a scene, maybe near the end of Tlou3, where they decide Dina will try to forgive Ellie, like Ellie was gonna try to forgive Joel before he died. I think it would be a really good full-circle moment, Dina and Ellie being on the path to healing and Ellie dying to help humanity. It wouldn’t be fair to Dina, but neither was Joel’s death to Ellie. Atleast there would be some semblance of closure.

[@iteezwhatiteez6706]

knowing naughty dog, they're probably gonna kill Dina

[@mercury1949]

I swear to god…

[@Konig977]

Nooooooo

[@Player-kg1ds]

NO

[@iteezwhatiteez6706]

they killed joel so what makes u guys think they won't hurt us AGAIN

[@pancakespancake4916]

Dont even 🤚😪 dont give them ideas

[@nooooplease7060]

Ellie and tommy are gonna leave Jackson on motorcycles

[@jifij89]

dina is one of my fav characters in gaming, she’s just so funny, kind and caring! shannon woodward did an incredible job portraying her.

[@ckscovers]

i love dina she's totally my comfort character

[@Zee-Core-Gaming]

Before that happens, I just really want a DLC about Tommy's time in Seattle. The way they left breadcrumbs behind for the player to find just begs for his story to be told. I want to play as Tommy dammit. lol

[@dylannagle4376]

OMG YES im late but this still should happen! Maybe a ps5 exclusive would be nice. Omg I need. I always thought like why wouldn't we have played Tommy or seen more of his story? Brilliant.

[@JA-uz2uk]

@Wolf of Thorns, your interpretation of what happened to Dina in the end was great, although, we all would like to fathom Ellie going back to Jackson and having a stable life until, of course, TLOUP3. Doing some research on how long it would take to get from Jackson, WY to Santa Barbara, CA on foot, is roughly 325 hours (Googlemaps). Considering the back and fourth trip, she may have been gone for months when returning to the farmhouse as it stated she ran into obstacles along the way which took more time. Where I'm getting at is yes, Dina may have left, but given the information from Jesse's mother's letter, Dina very well may be in Jackson. Realistically, a single mother would not just wander off on her own especially if there is help raising her child. Dina is also very forgiving and clearly shows how much she loves Ellie. By you stating Dina returning as flashbacks in P3 is a good analysis since Dina's story at this point shifted towards focusing on motherhood; unless ND gets super creative in order to incorporate Dina's character to have a major role in P3 like Maggie from Walking Dead.

[@Kronosphere100]

"The Last Of Us, this beautiful and haunting world we all love to inhabit has never been about fantasies; nor should it be. The Last Of Us has always been about a sense of grounded realism in a devastated world with the cast of characters that run the full gamut of the human experience. And while there are rays of light, glimmers of hope, and the promise of what mankind can be if they work together, The Last Of Us has always been anchored and twinned by darkness, severity, and the threat of desperation." This is exactly why I parallel The Last Of Us so often with the film "The Road." While the narrative, atmosphere, and characters are different, themes of darkness, severity, and desperation, are practically the same. We don't play games like The Last Of Us, or watch movies like The Road to feel good. We consume media like this to satiate our own morbid curiosities of decay, survival, hate, love, fear, anguish, loss, and so much more. There was a reason Joel's death was so unexpected. There was a reason why he was killed off so viscously. We needed to, more or less, feel how Ellie felt when we watched him die. And to feel the unrestrained and raw hatred for Abby and her character. How else was the game supposed to motivate the player into this revenge quest? I will not say that part 2 was not without it's flaws, because it does have flaws. But I will end with this: If the first game's overall theme was about love and what we are willing to do for the people that we love, then the second game's overall theme was about hate and what it does to us if we let it consume us. Ellie allowed herself to be consumed by her hatred towards Abby for killing Joel and hatred towards herself for all the pain that she gave to Joel for years. And because she allowed herself to be consumed, she lost her relationship with Dina, and her ability to play Joel's song. She couldn't let it go. Not in time, at least. And now she's lost everything. Broken, and alone. Her greatest fear from when she was 14 and talking with Sam in the first game has come to pass. It's a tragedy.

[@blinkspacestudio8892]

I would truly love for Dina to be in part 3 if there is a part 3 but honestly would not be surprised if she wasn't. Ellie might bump into her but I dont think they will ever have a connection again. Its too painful for either of them to go there. JJ would be a big lad at that stage it would be cool to see him turn into a little warrior like his daddy. I dont think Ellie deserves another shot at Dina after leaving her the way she did....I was pissed when she did that...really pissed.

[@plazawall586]

in reality when Dina left the farm with JJ they were risking their lives traveling in unknown territory and I do not see how Dina can fire a gun at 3 or 4 infected whilst trying to protect Baby JJ only one outcome possible there of course it would be a different outcome if Ellie was there probably would have made more sense to kill them of on the farm after all it is a dark game

[@eat_pray_porg8450]

Another thought provoking video, Dan. I do agree with you on the Dina bit. As humans, we are nothing without our mistakes, our regrets, and our sacrifices. Sometimes, these are all separate things; other times, they center around one person or several. Many times, we can never go back to the way things were before "the change" in the relationship. As for Ellie's PTSD, yes...she is not going to recover right away. Some people learn to live with this the rest of their lives; some never do and commit the awful act of suicide. Others can wander around in the world, running away from their own fears and issues, never trying to face them or understand them. Well done, sir.

[@stitchlover4381]

I think what Ellie could've used was NOT revenge resulting in her losing her fingers and Dina leaving her but maybe a hug and SO much therapy in Jackson I'm sure with the community they've built there they might have therapists.

[@WolfofThorns]

Thank you, Moses! 🤠

[@TheOnlyTaps]

Love the people around you, and cherish the moments you get to spend with them ¡Peace, love and more life to everyone out there, stay safe! 👊🏿🙏🏿❤️

[@WolfofThorns]

Absolutely. Shine on, Tapiwa. 🤠

[@Leeohlin89]

I loved the message in this video. Very realistic and genuine. As for dina, although she loved Ellie with all her heart, I sense much like many of us do when left as a second choice. Belittled. Therefore out of emotional response and due to having a baby, she did what she thought was best for the both of them. To move on, but it’s never in question of her love for ellie. I’m sure at least. I predict myself; that she and ellie will reconcile in the third part... As a writer myself, plot twists are always a choice. Who knows, she might have ended up with someone else or worse... she didn’t make it in her journey to wherever she headed off to. I like to keep an open mind.

[@WolfofThorns]

Right on, Alumna. I feel you exactly, and I'm not 1000 per cent opposed to a potential reconciliation, as long as it feels organic and authentic and hard fought. I think, upon reflection, what seems disingenuous is not so much that they could eventually get back together, but the commonly propagated fan fantasy that they just immediately get back together upon Ellie's return from the west and everything is fine without cost or reflection upon what Ellie's choice did to her family.

[@Leeohlin89]

@@WolfofThorns I absolutely take this into account when it comes to consequences of actions whether irrational or consciously. You have a major point there, logically speaking. But at the same time I do see dina’s soft heart for things she truly cares about. I see a possibility of more problems arising for the both of them, they aren’t newly coupled granted. They both now carry a responsibility to a child. So! The child may actually indeed and possibly play a bigger role in this seeing as years have gone by throughout the gamings ‘real-time’. But that’s just my opinion. As I said, I’ll keep an open mind.

[@moisetibasima1354]

The art you put on the videois beautiful. I believe Dina could get some great character development by exploring her and Ellie's relationship. Dina did go far for Ellie until she reached her breaking point( Leaving her and JJ). I can imagine great emotional dialogue.

[@PastelN01r]

Something I noticed: Ellie has Dina's bracelet in the farm. Not in Santa Barbara. They likely got together again. I think this is important because it shows how she lost a lot, but there was still hope waiting for her if she let go.

[@majaquinn]

This theory is amazing, and I’d love for it to be the case as it fits in very well with the realism. I would definitely miss Dina though, a lot. She plays a huge part in Ellie’s journey of revenge and having her gone would break my heart. Sadly, this is the reality of life, and life isn’t fair.

[@silviamihailescu6367]

In your version of the story, before Ellie leaves with Tommy from Jackson, maybe would be nice just a "hello, how've been, I heard you and Tommy are leaving" conversation over a cup of something/tea maybe?... Can't say coffee because both Dina and Ellie hate coffee :)))). Or maybe some flashbacks. But I agree with the fact that Dina's relationship with Ellie is definite, as you said "You are on your own".

[@WolfofThorns]

I can totally see something like this 🤠

[@youtube-kit9450]

@@WolfofThorns As long as we get closure on their relationship, I'm fine. If there's even just one flashback of Ellie saying goodbye to Dina, them patching up things to an amicable level, even something like Ellie trying to give her a kiss and Dina backing away to make it clear that while her feelings for Ellie haven't changed, her decisions haven't, either... I'd be ok. If Ellie tells her goodbye and that they'll probably never see each other again, riding off on the motorcycle while Dina breaks down crying, knowing she did the right thing while being conflicted with emotions, or whatever... I'm ok with it, if you wanna be dramatic. I just want Ellie to leave on acceptable terms with Dina. One flashback is all I want. I got the first part of tlou 2 and the farm scene to always whisk myself away into a fantasy world with Dina x Ellie on youtube at my fingertips, but I need that closure.

[@zache4191]

Maybe Ellie could patch her relationship with Dina like how she couldn't with Joel? I mean she didn't even kill Abby..

[@xxliaz9068]

Dina was such a good girlfriend and the way she acted when Ellie wanted to leave I swear I would never leave if I knew my girl would be like that

[@Ri_5475]

I really liked Dina she was probably the only person who Ellie had left, I really hope Dina comes back in the last of us 3

[@ChadMichaelSimon]

Yes, you've been busy during quarantine! Your video essays have been a real treat today while I'm working. I started writing a very long comment but decided to copy-paste it into a document to perhaps record my thoughts, too! :-D

[@Petdub]

YESSS KATRINA GETTING THE RECOGNITION SHE DESERVES.

[@WolfofThorns]

Haha, she didn't need me for recognition, but yes, I love her stuff. She is amazing.

[@Petdub]

@@WolfofThorns yesss!!! You’re awesome

[@noxy6375]

Honestly...you are the first person, who´s videos i watch or talk to, who has the same understanding of TLOU universe like me. TLOU tries to give you the most realistic dystopian world you can imagine. There doesn´t have to be a happy ending or hope or whatever...it is just an option, like in our real world. This is the reason, why Joel didn´t die as a hero like many wished, because he wasn´t a hero. He was one of many, who killed like everybody, who tried to survive like everybody and who developed a very deep relationship with Ellie by coincidence. Did i like their storyline? Yes...Did it make me sad when Joel died? Yes...but it was very realistic. Same thing with Ellie and Dina. I shipped them so much, but it wouldn´t make sense to rekindle their realtionship. That wouldn´t fit into Dinas character. The whole discussion about Ellie wearing Dinas bracelet at the end of Part II was dumb. She loved and still loves Dina and keeps this bracelet simply as a memory.

[@WolfofThorns]

Thanks for sharing, Noxy. In the words of General Zod, "You are not alone." I wouldn't say the theories some folks have is "dumb" per se. Many of us just can't help but project our desires onto something. But I'm with you on the meanings for why Ellie was wearing the bracelet. Thanks for sharing your comment. 🤠

[@noxy6375]

@@WolfofThorns ...yes I agree, "dumb" is a very harsh word. But I'm a non native speaker and couldn't find a better fitting word for that. Hopefully no one will be offended by that, because I really didn't mean it to be that way

[@auxoraaa]

I agree fully

[@louiekim824]

I’m not criticizing other people’s opinions, but I was genuinely confused how they could think Dina didn’t go back to Jackson.

[@DinosaurNick]

True cause where else would she go with a baby with her??

[@louiekim824]

@@DinosaurNick Right?

[@paratraxx]

Bro, I JUST finished Part 2.... I have no words for how I feel, it's one of those games where I'm just empty after the ending. I love how you go into the stories 🔥

[@Manaphy333]

Finding this man’s channel was the best thing I’ve done this month and I’m so glad ❤️

[@WolfofThorns]

Aww, that means a whole helluva lot, so thanks for sharing the love. Also, I love Grimes. I own Art Angels. I can't believe Kill V Maim isn't a famous song. I want to make a video to it at some point, probably keeping her car city shots, but filling the rest with Harley Quinn (Suicide Squad, Birds of Prey, The Suicide Squad) footage. Maybe keep some of Grimes iconic subway shots, but mostly convert it into a Harley Quinn piece.

[@Manaphy333]

@@WolfofThorns YES!!! Kill V Maim is one of my absolute favs on it, makes me feel like going to war 😂 that sounds like a sick idea, it very much fits the Harley Quinn aesthetic. I was going to do a TLOU 1&2 edit to “So Heavy I Fell Through The Earth” from her most recent album, whenever I get the chance haha

[@WolfofThorns]

@@Manaphy333 That sounds kickass to be honest. I am working on a powerful TLOU music video that should be out tomorrow or the day after if everything goes well, so be on the lookout!

[@ezekielbarton6518]

AHHH I WAS IN THE VIDEO!!!! Great video man, really enjoyed it

[@WolfofThorns]

lol I'm glad I could oblige, Ezekiel. 🤠

[@marcussimmons4122]

The kitchen scene made my stomach turn and my heart drop...all I could say was Ellie noo let it go

[@ZedAmadeus]

But you're forgetting Dina's bracelet being slipped in at the end of the second game. It wasn't on her arm when she went after Abby the second time, but it was when she returned to the farm and her weapons were somewhere else. Jesse's parents said if they ever needed somewhere to stay, they could come live with them. So my guess is Ellie was saying goodbye to the house and to the guitar, and that Dina had possibly taken her back, but more likely they were at least on decent enough, cooperative terms (not necessarily romantic) to raise baby JJ together.

[@user-rl6yk8se7o]

In that scene where Ellie heads back to the farm, there's a flashback of Joel playing the guitar. She says she'll never forgive him, but she's willing to try. To me it seems like after losing everyone she cared about, Ellie finally figured out what was really important. When she understand her complex feelings to Joel she also realized the limits of how much effort one can put into loving another person. She learned to empathize and understand that Dina, like herself, loves deeply. She was lost for a while but now she knows that if someone truly loves you, they'll always try to forgive you. So, she put down the guitar (Joel) and went to make amends with Dina.This is a heartbreaking ending, but it is also filled with hope for a new life to unfold.

[@sgtmian]

i really love dina and would love it if she came back, but i also don’t know if it would make for a very compelling story. like you said, it’s a fantasy, and this universe is dark and real. either way i’m not sure shannon would do another game, probably both because of the reception it got during a pandemic but also because it’s not her face and people focus so much on cascina. she probably had a lot of expectations going in seeing as the first game was her favorite game.

[@plazawall586]

Maybe in the next game we get to learn that either Ellie, Abby or even Dina had killed someone’s dad 🤷‍♂️

[@sgtmian]

@@plazawall586 hahah, i don’t think naughty dog wants to tell the same story twice.

[@DeletedUser938]

I think they have (somewhat) rekindled their relationship, since Ellie is wearing Dina's bracelet at the end of the game. She wasn't wearing it at the farm or in Santa Barbara but has it on once she goes back to the farm. Maybe they're back together, maybe Ellie is wearing it a reminder of what she could've had but I think she's walking back to Jackson in that last frame.

[@natalieelfner2205]

I think it’d be super cool if the third game had us play JJ as the main character, perhaps as the leader of an organization like WLF or the Fireflies. I would like to see him as a young adult (25-30) and minimal reference to either Ellie or Dina (most references would take place in flashbacks). I think having him as a young adult who has fought and Earned his position as a leader would be great. I think it’d be nice to see him as a young adult because Joel was an older man who changed into someone full of grief and anger and the desire to survive, and Ellie was an impulsive teenager also full of anger. Being a young adult, he would be past the ignorance of young age but still in a time of his life where situations can change his personality. A few traits I would like to see in him are forgiveness and gentleness, like his mother but also someone who is not afraid to kill, defend, and protect others. He would be a kind character we would love too root for but also a frickin badass. This is just an idea and something I think would be cool to see in a new game. I would like to stay in the world but explore other characters and their lives and experiences. (It would also be the first time a person of color is THE MAIN character in this franchise and that’s SUPER COOL!)

[@brady_t7028]

I’ve been wondering this for a long time now🤔 Edit: oh shoot, I’m here before the bots and everyone else without saying first

[@KleWdSide]

Dina was a surprisingly great character. I have to agree that she simply left & her relationship with Ellie was over. It's a happy-ever-after fantasy to think otherwise. She's a mother now, so she's obviously going to put her kid first before Ellie & everyone else. Will she make a return for Part 3? Nah. I don't think there's any point. Let her live a normal life in Jackson with her son.

[@MeatyKillerz]

I remember that note by the farmhouse saying if she ever needed a place to stay in Jackson. So that’s where I think she went

[@unicorn1655]

I think Ellie will try to make it up to Dina, but I doubt she’ll forgive her. Sometimes loving someone isn’t enough to forgive them.

[@asafsh8366]

Do you think JJ will be like AJ from The Walking Dead?

[@flowertheone]

i just get that feeling!

[@sga5399]

Bruh I was gonna say this

[@kailennewman9881]

Hell yeah! It makes sense. Joel = Lee Ellie = Clementine JJ = AJ

[@LegallyDead.]

honestly idgaf about consequences, just give me Ellie and Dina back together 😭😭😭

[@baitedgamingpodcast2476]

I miss Dina more now.

[@roxannpoor8770]

Ellie was never not going to walk out that door. The girl that Dina fell in love with and made love to in that library died with Joel. I don't believe Dina left Jackson because Jesse's parents and her sister are there and she would need help raising JJ. And I don't see Ellie ever moving back into Jackson except riding in every once and awhile for supplies.

[@oldnorth2666]

This game touched us in the archaic parts of our brains.

[@riley8137]

I want a TLOU 3 🥺

[@WolfofThorns]

Me too 🤠

[@riley8137]

@@WolfofThorns It would be nice to see if Ellie's journey ends or if it continues and who with. And maybe some plot twist

[@TLOUStrategist]

Another good video, Wolf! I feel the same... Dina made it very clear that if Ellie left their relationship was over. This reminds tho... I have something I need to ask you about in regards to Part III. 😉👍

[@WolfofThorns]

Thanks, T-Strat! As for your question, I am all ears. 🤠

[@loonas.sapphics]

I played the game done today & now i’m so hype for a TLOU3 😭😭😭 also congrats to TLOU2 for winning the game of the year 2020 🍾🍾🍾

[@timsalem4938]

God!! Your analysis is so amazing!!! I WANT MOREEEE

[@sameenabrar2018]

in the last sequence, Ellie had realized her mistakes. as such, I believe it just fair to let Ellie be forgiven by Dina and to continue their relationship

[@MCRAVAGE54]

Dina and Ellie will be together again I can just feel it

[@residentjess]

Yeah, I don’t see why it can’t happen. Sure, it won’t be “easy” but it would be nice to see Ellie work to get her family back.

[@randomcoyote8807]

Dina was a good fighter and worthy combat companion in the early part of the story, until she got sidelined by the pregnancy. So having her make a comeback would be great, there would just need to be a way to explain her leaving baby JJ to go on an adventure. OTOH, if something threatened the town of Jackson, she'd def be a Mama Bear force to be reckoned with. When Ellie left for her mission of revenge, I had the same feeling. Going back out there to finish the job isn't going to help, and what started as a quest for justice was becoming Ellie not facing her demons. A guy I deployed to Iraq with came back and had a hard time adjusting; he dealt with it by... volunteering for another tour. I wanted to talk him out of it but he seemed so genuinely relieved and optimistic I was at a loss for words. I learned a lot of unfortunate things about the human mind in that 5 minute conversation than I had in my whole lifetime to that point.

[@plazawall586]

She probably would not survive go back to the beginning of the game when Abby was introduced and being chase by 100’s of infected only to be saved by Joel and Tommy there is no way she would survive that situation especially with the baby

[@sgtmian]

@@plazawall586 dina is in jackson. or do you think she’s traipsing around wyoming with her furniture on her back and a baby on her hip?

[@plazawall586]

@@sgtmian there is no way she can make that journey with just her and the baby with the many dangers that is looming

[@samuelIB454]

It's heartbreaking, but you're completely right

[@theogofguitar]

I’d hope Dina and Ellie would reconcile but honestly wouldn’t mind a more realistic scenario where Dina no longer can commit to a relationship, while she is still allowed to see JJ. Though I feel 3 really should go back to a smaller focused story with Ellie maybe taking in a protector role for someone else but that we don’t have such a huge scope of story and characters outside of the vignettes we get in pt1. Even a solo Ellie story with flashbacks to Joel in the 20 year gap would be sufficient

[@classchair]

When I finished the game, I remember telling a friend that intellectually I have a reading of the ending shot of Ellie walking away from an empty house leaving behind Joel's guitar AND a room of art of her life with Dina and jj, that says it's hard and painful but Ellie needs to let go and work on moving forward to build a new life. But emotionally, I can't help wanting fanfic of Ellie finding Dina, the two of them fighting out some feelings over what Ellie did, and then working to mend their relationship.

[@naivebliss9222]

Will we ever get to see the infamous cat that tattooed Ellie? Cause in her journal we can only see a sketch of cat...

[@WolfofThorns]

Man, I would love to encounter Cat. I was really intrigued by her and over the moon when I discovered the hidden journal pages about her.

[@quentingarcia-ammann4106]

I agree completely that losing Dina and JJ makes a lot of sense, especially after Ellie repeatedly was willing to risk the life of Dina, Jesse, and whoever else to get her revenge on Abby. Dina would be perfectly justified in cutting of ties with Ellie after she kept on prioritizing her own self-destructive search for closure over the people who loved her. And while I do think that that would be super impactful and could be an important aspect of part III, I also think Naughty Dog could go in a different direction. I don't think that it is required for Ellie to be battling with her fear of being alone like she has in parts I and II, and I think ND will probably go on to explore some other themes besides losing loved ones. On top of that, I think that Dina, as we have seen before, would be the type that could forgive Ellie and continue their relationship as long as she knows that Ellie has moved on and can focus on her family. This, along with the bracelet theory, makes me think that Ellie and Dina will definitely have a story together in part III. I would pretty much be happy with either one as long as ND justifies it.

[@alphawolf8363]

To be fair. Dina went willing with Ellie even though she knew she was pregnant

[@sgtmian]

@@alphawolf8363 she definitely didn’t know when they left, it was too early. she suspected on the way there, but i don’t think she was confident enough in it to share until she told ellie.

[@alphawolf8363]

@@sgtmian true, but she should've made sure

[@sgtmian]

@@alphawolf8363 there’s no way for her to do that, she has no pregnancy tests. either way, she stayed behind when she was confident she was.

[@quentingarcia-ammann4106]

@@sgtmian only because Ellie pressured her to though. I'm sure she would have made an effort to stay with Ellie if Ellie didn't know.

[@tlis9495]

While I don't agree with your proposed story arc, I do agree with you on this. Dina and Ellie's relationship needs to remain severed if we are to keep the message from TLOU2 in tact.

[@residentjess]

Disagree. That game was so pessimistic, it needs some balance. Even Abby got some sort of “happy” ending. Actions have consequences alright. Joel killed the doctors so that he could save Ellie, therefore Abby killed him. Now Ellie has ptsd and she has killed a bunch of people. Ellie should get a second chance.

[@cameronteeple5296]

Great video as always, keep it up my dude. Always looking forward to new content!

[@WolfofThorns]

Thank you, Cameron! More is on the way, good sir. 🤠

[@daenzgunne2092]

First video I've seen on this channel - subscribed. The way you talk about the world of TLOU really speaks to me :)

[@WolfofThorns]

Thank you, Daenz. So glad to have you here, man. 🤠

[@andersonsmiths7437]

Just discovered channel and had been binge watching your videos, it's so underrated

[@alex_davis_11]

3:24 yeah, I don’t think like you in that sense. Being brutally honest doesn’t equate to not being able to have Ellie regretting her choices and Dina forgiving her. This world is cruel, but not everything has to be so depressing to be a successful game

[@geodesicgaming9066]

I hope ellie and abby become friends :)

[@VickNick34]

I feel like Dina's gonna have a minor role in tlou 3(like you said) , but I'm interested to see what would JJ's feelings be. He will probably be older when the two women meet so he will( at least a little) be able to understand what's going on. How would he feel about seeing his other mother, who abandoned him( I think he will probably feel like was abandoned and would watn to keep Dina away from Ellie so Ellie won't be able to hurt his mum's emotions again). Even if he is 7 or 8 I think his feeling on the situation will be another visible consequence for Ellie's choice. Sorry for my English, but it's not my first language!

[@plazawall586]

They both should not really still be alive Dina took of with the baby in a dangerous world were they just would not survive if they ran into danger and the baby already has a mother

[@secondcitydude]

If they release TLOU3, I would like to Lev and Abby gameplay, but it's kind of hard to see who's going to be standing in the end coz I would like to see Abby and her original form teaching Lev.

[@wolf1nsoul]

I'm so glad that i found this channel, keep up the incredible work❤️

[@WolfofThorns]

Thank you, Wolf. 🤠

[@markymark6229]

It would be interesting to see Dina having left ellie for someone else. If Dina is single is part 3, there’s a very real chance they could get back together. If she’s w someone, it will really drive home the point that ‘actions have consequences’. The game could flirt w reigniting old relationships much the same way that Owen/Abby did, to give us a glimpse of what could have been, but can never be , and thus make it more impactful

[@residentjess]

Abby didn’t get back with Owen cause he was shot dead. At some point, it was clear that Owen was going to dump his baby mama. Which is realistic.

[@ShanRezGaming]

Im so eager for the last of us 3

[@lumxty]

I saw my comment! Thank you so much lmao!

[@WolfofThorns]

XD I was very happy to include it. I think it was actually when I got to *YOUR* comment that I was like, "Okay, I gotta talk about this." So thank _YOU_ 🤠

[@lumxty]

@@WolfofThorns Your welcome! Thank you too! That’s very sweet of you to include her. I have adhd so when i played TLOU2 i hyper fixated on her hard and i kinda typed that comment out of anger but i actually really enjoy your theory and this video :)

[@angiemaplecita]

TLOU III: Ellie and Dina meet at some point and forgive each other! 3 seconds later: DiNa aNd Jj DiE Me: F :')

[@FischerFilmStudio]

Dina was my favorite part in Part II

[@WolfofThorns]

"Deaner!"

[@tristanbellamy382]

I don’t think Dina will return. It’d be better to have her gone forever. She’s not a bad character. It just would fit the story more and make things more dark for Ellie. She could bring up in a conversation with someone “I loved somebody... once”

[@xxashxx4297]

I love Dina and Ellie tho 💓

[@M3M33thousand]

Riley and Ellie are still my otp 🥺

[@Ayranenjoyer]

yeah i don't know about any of what you say but dina got my rocks going if you know what i mean, never played the game and all but she was a very huge addition indeed

[@frombogue]

Ellie’s story is over I don’t care what anyone says, if the game continues it’s obvious now that it’s going to be Abby’s story from here on out. I was hoping that it would be a new story with new characters after what happened in the 2nd game but I doubt it.

[@anvaybhide8051]

Plz tell me the name of the soundtrack at the start in the background...I play guitar so I wanna try it... P.s. Wolf your vids are gr8

[@WolfofThorns]

My pleasure. I linked the music in the description, but you are hearing is _Left Behind (Together)_ by el maestro Gustavo Santaolalla.

[@anvaybhide8051]

@@WolfofThorns thanks and I checked the description im a dumbass😂😂❤

[@WolfofThorns]

@@anvaybhide8051 No problem!

[@champagnezoe8458]

I like Abby she's a real one

[@WolfofThorns]

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[@lv1123]

I would want Dina to be a plot in TLOU part 3. It could’ve been something from Dina’s story. Like she got dragged into something from her past and Ellie goes on a journey to find her. Or JJ gets taken somehow, and Dina & Ellie have to corporate to get JJ back. Just some wishful thoughts 😂😂😂

[@aieshaahmed3843]

that actually what i want and i actually planned it out in my head lol plus i think that would be a good story for part 3 and thy they should make part 4 bout just ellie and the world